Monstrata wrote:

SPOILER

[Freeze]

1. 00:10:467 (1) - 00:10:869 (1) - Removing NC's could help with identifying the rhythm change, since the section here just sounds like two combo's, not 4 lol.
2. 00:15:824 (2,3) - I don't think this jump is warranted... It really doesn't destabilize me in gameplay
3. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Try and emphasize these drum hits more. Make the jump from 00:19:038 (3,4) - smaller because 4 doesn't really fit in... so having the same spacing makes the other circles feel not as important (even though musically theyre much stronger). I think that having a bunch of 1/4 is way more stronger than just increasing spacing. Also, I'd say it's rather the sound of the drums that changes rather than the intensity
4. 00:30:288 (1,1,1) - Idk. This doesn't seem like a good design choice imo . It difinetely is to me.
5. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1) - etc... This part is really cool though Not sure what's wrong?
6. 02:07:119 (2,3,4) - This just looks kinda weird... Can you make the triplet linear? I think it looks really floyw though
7. 02:21:315 - 02:24:128 - Yea this still sounds overmapped... The parts that sound warranted are 02:24:328 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - . The rest just a really light and ambiguous drum roll and not something that has a very definitive snapping. It just sounds nothing like 01:24:395 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and not nearly as distinctly 1/4. I asked mutliple people, to be really sure, and they all told me this sounds like a steam, and I agree with them. spamming 1/2 here would just feel way too empy.
8. 03:11:404 (3,4,5) - Not liking this switch to kicksliders xP. What you did with 03:10:735 (1,2,3,1) - was a lot better imo. Not sure to get it?
9. 03:14:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - There's such a distinct 1/2 rhythm here but your rhythm choice is frankly all over the place here xP. I'm fine with my rhythm
10. 03:41:672 (3) - Can you position this elsewhere, the position is quite awkward and it feels like you ran out of room or something on the screen xP. It's not positionned out of place..
11. 04:09:128 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Keep your spacing consistent. Fixed
12. 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Okay this just isn't a good way to emphasize those notes imo... Why? I think it sounds nice though. And it reproduces the logo of "Omoi".

[Extra]

1. 00:14:619 (2,4,2,4) - I don't really see the necessity of these 1/2's... 1/2 sliders would have worked just as well here without feeling forced since there isn't a clear 1/2 beat in the song right here. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Here is good though since it's well supported. Same than Freeze, ]I think it's more the sounds of the drums that changed, rather that the intensity.
2. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - NC spam isn't necessary . It is. To electrfies the pattern
3. 01:26:940 (7,8,9,10,11,1) - The shape of that ending part of the stream just looks quite off :S. Fixed a bit
4. 02:02:163 (3,4,5,6) - 1/2 sliders here would help maintain intensity. Right now it just feels empty. It's to give more impact on 02:03:235 (1) -
5. 02:35:780 (4,1) - Wish you broke your spacing structure here to create a jump. It just feels really inconsistent compared to 02:37:252 (2,1) - Fixed
6. 03:17:967 (1) - No slow slider? No, most people tends to break, or almost break first try on freeze.
7. 03:27:208 (8,1) - Same as earlier. Fixed
8. 03:44:485 (1,2) - Why not Ctrl+G them and follow vocals? It just feels really off right now. I don't even normally map to vocals but they just feel so crucial here. Okay
9. 04:11:270 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - 1/2 sliders to maintain rhythmic density. And my stream with a drumroll but "not a blatant one" were overmapped... I don't understand. Anyway, the whole map is kind of 1/2. Sometimes it's better to make things easier in order to give more impact.

[Insane]

1. 00:52:520 (3,4) - You could just use 1/4 repeats here imo. Switching from 1/2 to 1/8 is a bit of a jump in slider-lengths. I don't know, I'd rather stay constant with the other diff. Not to mention that what I'm trying to show via those sliders is clearly not some 1/4 rhythm.
2. 01:31:895 (2,3) - This jump isn't emphasizing much, but it's detracting from the next downbeat. My bad, got out of place, fixed.
3. 01:35:645 (3,1) - You should space them further if you want a 1/1 gap because this looks like a 1/2 jump atm due to how soon this pattern follows 01:34:842 (1,2) - Right, fixed.
4. 02:31:628 (1) - Would look better if you made them mroe parallel (tail and head sections) Fixed a bit
5. 02:47:431 (3,4,1,2) - The instruments are at a high pitch here. Idk, for me this means it's still quite intense. Use 1/2 sliders and stuff so it dosn't feel as empty. I feel that those 1/1 are another way to show how intense it is, instead of just spamming 1/2 the whole map. Everything is intense in this song anyway. XD
6. 03:27:342 (1,2,3,4) - This is so undermapped, makes me sad . I don't know, focusing on stronger beats. Maybe I'll change it.
7. 03:34:842 (1,1,1,1) - No need for NC spam here. You don't spam them on Extra or Freeze anyways. Talking about intensifying pattern, I like to use every tool at my dispostion.

[Hard]

1. 00:08:994 (3,4) - This spacing just looks too close together . You can use a higher spacing here imo. Fixed just a bit... I guess
2. 01:02:699 (1,3) - Can they not be so close? xP. Looks cramped lol. Same
3. 01:11:003 (4,1) - If you could incorporate this into a blanket, it would look pretty nice. Okay, Fixed
4. 03:29:217 (6,1,2,3,4) - You ignore the vocals so hard here just to follow a rhythm that is literally the metronome xP. 1 2 3 4. lol, idk, maybe I'll change it.

[Normal]

1. Nothing inherently wrong here, but the diff feels more like a typical Easy with the very occasional 1/2 sliders. It doesn't even contain any 1/2 clicking rhythm. What I mean by 1/2 clicking rhythm is anything that looks something like this in terms of note density. Players are forced to click twice in half a beat.
   
   1/2

   
2. Since none of that even occurs in the Normal, I think theres a rhythm gap between Normal > Hard .
   Blame the star rating.

[Easy]

1. 00:57:342 (1) - This wave slider just looks really ugly . There are a variety of ways to do wave sliders, but this technique is best for long wave sliders (spanning more than half the screen) Fixed, looks way better now *-*
   
   Do something like this please

   
2. 01:30:556 (1,3) - These sliders not being parallel really hurts the pattern. You mean ctrl+h? I don't know know I prefer this way I think, I don't really see what's wrong.
3. 02:24:128 (1) - Slider. Okay quite a few of them look off so please fix them. Yep, fixed them all

Alright, good luck! Ye... I need it.

Thanks for the mod!

1. I know from your mods that you are a fan of high AR, however I really think some of the ARs in this mapset are set too high. Mappers often think high BPM requires high AR but in reality your mapping style isn't hard to read at all with slightly lower AR, I would even say it reads better. What I suggest is the following:
   
   1. Extra could use AR9, only some simple jump and stream patterns here.
   2. Insane is what bothers me the most. AR9 for a map like this? AR8.5 is much better here if you ask me.
   3. Hard could also use AR7.5 or even AR7.

1. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Actually this section is very boring to play for this difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of undermapping and the rhythm is perfectly fine here it's just that this section requires almost no cursor movement due to slider leniency, and the movement it requires seems to come at the wrong times. These groups of objects 00:33:503 (3,1,2) - 00:34:574 (3,1,2) - etc. all play like a one-measure long stack and the only emphasis in this section is on those beats 00:33:503 - 00:34:574 - etc. What I would recommend is either having a jump before the big white ticks instead (which would mean stacking two circles under the slider and then have the jumps) or replacing the 1/2-sliders with circles somehow. Just try to create a more interesting cursor movement that emphasizes the music better.
2. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - So why does this pattern emphasize every second white tick (by repetition) when the music clearly repeats every 3 white ticks.. You did it much better all the other times this part comes up in the music so this one really sticks out and should be changed somehow. Try to making something similar to 02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ?
3. 03:11:136 (1) - Hmm this slider fits the music well however I think it harms playability. This map is supposed to be difficult to play however what I enjoy about it is that it generally has very simple patterns that are easy to understand, it doesn't throw around with weird spacing or rhythms etc. This slider is the only thing in the map that doesn't fit this rhythm simplicity because it starts on a red tick and is located in the middle of a 1/4-section. Getting into streams / 1/4-rhythms after red-tick-sliders is kind of hard and I recommend you to change the rhythm around here to something more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/nsgU7/739e8c7964.jpg (cursor position is where the slider originally started)
4. Actually, I love this diff, it's so much fun to play (well I just played it once because I just came back from work and my hand hurts a bit, but it's already fun to look at and move the cursor to the map in edit).. I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. Just the issues above are what still bothers me a bit.

1. 00:15:958 (3) - I'd recommend to move this slider 1/2 tick later so that it starts on the white tick. You can have a circle stack on 00:15:824 - instead then: http://puu.sh/nslSk/696525dad8.jpg I just don't really see a reason why that slider starts on the red tick right now, it would follow the beat and melody much better if you change it. Same applies for 03:57:744 (3) -
2. 01:15:556 (1,2,1,2) - That intense jump / antijump pattern caught me by surprise. It's much harder to play than it looks like because of the really fast movement required in between the combos. I think ctrl+g on 01:15:824 (1,2) - would help a lot to make this more intuitive.
3. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - I find these patterns underwhelming in this difficulty. It's not even so much that you are undermapping - in Freeze you had such a cool idea (repeating patterns to emphasize the repeated vocals) and here it's mapped just like the rest of the chorus. Same applies for the rest of this difficulty, when this music shows up again, except for 03:44:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - which is very well done. Note: This basically applies for Insane too.

Desperate-kun wrote:

[General]

1. I know from your mods that you are a fan of high AR, however I really think some of the ARs in this mapset are set too high. Mappers often think high BPM requires high AR but in reality your mapping style isn't hard to read at all with slightly lower AR, I would even say it reads better. What I suggest is the following:
   
   1. Extra could use AR9, only some simple jump and stream patterns here.
   2. Insane is what bothers me the most. AR9 for a map like this? AR8.5 is much better here if you ask me.
   3. Hard could also use AR7.5 or even AR7. Fixed them all (7.5 for hard) I hope it's still ok with the new patterns... I guess so :O

[Freeze]

1. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Actually this section is very boring to play for this difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of undermapping and the rhythm is perfectly fine here it's just that this section requires almost no cursor movement due to slider leniency, and the movement it requires seems to come at the wrong times. These groups of objects 00:33:503 (3,1,2) - 00:34:574 (3,1,2) - etc. all play like a one-measure long stack and the only emphasis in this section is on those beats 00:33:503 - 00:34:574 - etc. What I would recommend is either having a jump before the big white ticks instead (which would mean stacking two circles under the slider and then have the jumps) or replacing the 1/2-sliders with circles somehow. Just try to create a more interesting cursor movement that emphasizes the music better. Ah, I get your point in a way that when I ask a top-player to play it, at this part I'm always a bit scared that he finds it boring and just quit it xD. On the other hand it really fits the idea I have of the music here. First of all, changing the 1/2 for some circles is no-go because I really want a faster rhythm from 00:41:270 (1) - . And then I tried your suggestion of stacking both notes under the reverse 00:33:235 (2,3) - but, to me at least, it feels that it gives less impact actually. 00:33:235 (2) - Stacked because it's really low, it's basically just the vocal right. 00:33:503 (3) - There's a pretty audible beat here so I use this opportunity to change position. And I insist on "changing position" to me it's almost like this beat was here for this reason lol. Instead of moving your cursor constantly, try to stay at the position of 00:33:235 (2) - and "jump" to that (3) at the last moment.. It's pretty much the flow I have in mind. After that, you don't move at all, in a way that it will give more impact to the movement (as little it is) on the 1/2 here 00:33:770 (1) - A bit hard to explain but... ye, hope you got me xD
2. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - So why does this pattern emphasize every second white tick (by repetition) when the music clearly repeats every 3 white ticks.. You did it much better all the other times this part comes up in the music so this one really sticks out and should be changed somehow. Try to making something similar to 02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ? Mhh, a bit sad to change the pattern but sounds fair enough. Fixed, I hope it's good enough though *-* Those patterns are kinda hard to create xD ! BUT Remapping the extra diff gave me an idea, so I also remapped this part 03:27:342 (1) - on freeze that I've always found a bit poor of flow.
3. 03:11:136 (1) - Hmm this slider fits the music well however I think it harms playability. This map is supposed to be difficult to play however what I enjoy about it is that it generally has very simple patterns that are easy to understand, it doesn't throw around with weird spacing or rhythms etc. This slider is the only thing in the map that doesn't fit this rhythm simplicity because it starts on a red tick and is located in the middle of a 1/4-section. Getting into streams / 1/4-rhythms after red-tick-sliders is kind of hard and I recommend you to change the rhythm around here to something more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/nsgU7/739e8c7964.jpg (cursor position is where the slider originally started) Really nice point *-* (maybe that's what monstrata wanted to say as well but didn't get it). Fixed it in another way, a bit. We'll see if that works too!
4. Actually, I love this diff, it's so much fun to play (well I just played it once because I just came back from work and my hand hurts a bit, but it's already fun to look at and move the cursor to the map in edit).. I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. Just the issues above are what still bothers me a bit.

[Extra]

1. 00:15:958 (3) - I'd recommend to move this slider 1/2 tick later so that it starts on the white tick. You can have a circle stack on 00:15:824 - instead then: http://puu.sh/nslSk/696525dad8.jpg I just don't really see a reason why that slider starts on the red tick right now, it would follow the beat and melody much better if you change it. Same applies for 03:57:744 (3) - Right, sounds fair, indeed: fixed both!
2. 01:15:556 (1,2,1,2) - That intense jump / antijump pattern caught me by surprise. It's much harder to play than it looks like because of the really fast movement required in between the combos. I think ctrl+g on 01:15:824 (1,2) - would help a lot to make this more intuitive. Kinda disagree here. First of all, it would flow really bad with the next slider, but that's not the main reason why I don't want to change it. I think that the flow as it is here represents a bit better the music. The way you're suggesting is a really circular movement, I don't think that's what the music calls for here. The music feels really "electrfied" and this pattern represents pretty well this I think. Also, the vocals seem to repeat the same tone/pitch each 1/2 ticks. So going twice from bottom to the top represents this as well (from this percpective you could tell me that I could have kept going on with this pattern and...yes I could have done it but it would be too hard imo xD)
3. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - I find these patterns underwhelming in this difficulty. It's not even so much that you are undermapping - in Freeze you had such a cool idea (repeating patterns to emphasize the repeated vocals) and here it's mapped just like the rest of the chorus. Same applies for the rest of this difficulty, when this music shows up again, except for 03:44:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - which is very well done. Note: This basically applies for Insane too. Fixed, insane as well... Gotta recheck if everything's fine on insane ><

I found the other diffs fine as they are (except what was already mentioned in the mods of the other diffs). I have to agree with Monstrata though that Normal could use some 'real' 1/2 to improve the difficulty spread. I added a few "triple-like" I wonder if it's enough, I told you (should have told monstrata too ><) IRC why I didn't do it from the get-go, you told me it was ok if it gets hard icon, but rating is still going high pretty fast, added like 2 or 3 and it took 0.5 ... So yep, I hope it's enough ><

Alright so I explained many issues more in-depth than I normally would. The reason is that I see some miscommunication happening between the previous modders and you. They brought up some valid points that were important to them and you often replied very short and a bit meaningless (best example is Monstrata's concern about the difficulty spread). So to solve this problem I tried to give longer explanation but I expect the same from you when you reply and deny - to give proper reasoning for your denial.

Seeing how much effort you already put into this mapset, fixing up the spread issue and the other issues shouldn't be a problem for you. I am willing to bubble this mapset if the spread issue gets fixed and if you provide reasonable explanations for everything you denied from this mod. :3

Desperate-kun wrote:

02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in Extra is missing hitsounds. Fix that and I'll blebub.

Enon wrote:

don't bully qualified mappers

Bearizm wrote:

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Yales wrote:

Bearizm wrote:

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Why do the color "gray" even exist? We have "white" after all.

Yales wrote:

You could have made those kind of research before coming grumbling here (and basically asking me to map another diff) on a set of 6 diffs, 4 minutes drain time that I fully mapped by myself... I'm totally willing to get feedback, it's even appreciated but at least put the form. Cause when you say "I hate to be that guy" ... actually you love it don't you?

Bearizm wrote:

Might as well not have a qualified section, right? Just rank every map that is given a heart! Also I'm not bullying or anything, I'm expressing what I think about the map, and how it can be better. How is that bullying?

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Enon wrote:

heyy just joke D:

Sieg wrote:

a bit of offtopic D:

I'm here not to feedback but with another question. What you guys think, is this can be somewhat accurate gaps for this beatmap?