1. 00:02:699 (1,1) - first point is a blanket yaaaaaaaaaaas loving this already (im being mean to myself)
2. 00:04:172 (2) - how about moving this to x:92 y:88 and this 00:04:708 (4) - to x:232 y:168 it doesnt look bad and it gives a nice feeling onto entering the slider with that beat in the back ground 00:04:708 (4,1) - like you hear this double note sort of thing
3. 00:08:458 (2,3,4,1) - ^ same thing not the same positions doe just like the idea
4. 00:10:199 (1,2) - consider thisif you wish ofc without the NC, since if you listen at 25% you hear that strong whoosing sound dont ignore that man notes dont fit here
5. 00:11:003 (3,1) - ik why the kiai time is here to put emphasis on the change of music but i mean do you necesarly need it? its up to you since there are more of these but its your choice if you want to change that or not, the effect isnt long anyway so i mean eh
6. 00:13:681 (2,3) - just a little polish on the overlap
7. 00:23:324 (2) - this is on the down beat or whatever you call that like you havent done it here 00:23:592 (3,4) - so idk your choice
8. 00:48:235 (2,1) - overlap fix that a little bit
9. 00:58:815 (2,3,4) - if you want consider 00:59:217 (4) - moving this so that it blankets at the same spot as this one 00:58:949 (3) - with the circle
10. 00:58:815 (2) -
11. 01:10:735 (1) - Nc maybe because of that beat change its pretty strong imo, but hey again ignore this since im shite at NC
12. 01:59:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - here you gave those notes a pretty ok overlap, but here 02:01:895 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - you increased the space between them why? the beat is still the same
13. 02:08:056 (1) - i dont think a break here fits bud just leave it blank since the singing is still there and the beat hasnt changed much also you could add something here 02:10:199 because of the strong beats
14. 02:12:342 (1) - dont think this kiai flash fits here what so ever the tune hasnt changed much
15. 03:00:020 (3,1) - blanket boi
16. 03:01:628 (1) - how about x:64 y:256 ? its a new combo and it will make the note stand out more
17. 03:35:913 (1) - here i realised all of your SV are 1, why? anyway here increase the SV to at least 1,2 even more if you wish since the tune gets so much more agressive at this point, that sort of thing should really be emphasised imo seriously

1. 00:13:413 (1) - x:148 y:244 so that its emphasised a little, and the break between the next slider will be a kind of a warning to the player not to click as fast at this point, consider this for the rest of sliders and jumps similar to this
2. 00:17:699 (1) - same as before not the same position doe but DS can be similar
3. 00:23:458 (4) - the change of sound happens here so i'd suggest making a NC here
4. 00:23:458 (4) - ctrl+g maybe
5. 01:38:994 (2,3,4,5) - for the full part of that nya nya nya sound you only make jumps here, why?
6. 02:10:199 - as in insane you can start mapping here and delete that break
7. 02:37:922 (2,3,4,5) - again as previosuly only one jumpy section out of all of the nya nya nya's
8. 03:01:628 (1) - x:200 y:120 maybe since it is the last note why not make it a bit jumpy
9. 03:01:628 (1) - ctrl+g this since basicly that will be a double and it will make it easier for the player to hit it like that
10. 03:35:913 (1) - again the SV thing dude emphasise that cmon man
11. 04:05:244 (3,1,2) - make this a jumpy section since current state doesnt quite fit the music considering previosuly on the other kiai times you did do some jumps you could also give this some jumps
12. 04:11:270 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - holy shit i would highly clasify this as an overmap tbh, either nerf this (DS) or create some sort of nice star patterns

1. I would recommend increasing the AR to 9.6 since it is a pretty fast song and 9,4 may seem really slow for the players that will play this, imo 9,6 is far more fitting
2. 00:10:869 (1) - i would strongly recommend ctrl+g this it would nicelly fit as well, if you apply this change the DS so that it is similar in some way
3. 00:23:056 (1,3) - you could blanket these note give the slider some purpose in being the shape it is now
4. 00:42:074 (4,1) - why did you give this a huge jump here, whilst 00:44:217 (4,1) - is so much smaller, the beat calms a little bit but not that far for it to be spaced so diffrently
5. 00:55:735 (3) - x:124 y:328 remember the thing in the previous insane or extra diff about those note slider things, in this diff i would strongly recommend applying them since the song is really fast and these could cause a lot (i mean a lot) of misses, which could also be frustrating to play imo without any sort of warning from the mapper. At some point in Extra you done this sort of thing where you did put the circle before the slider but that wasnt really needed. So yh your chouce but in this diff i think it would matter the most
6. 01:01:895 (3,1,2) - imo this is awkaward to hit/play i would consider changing this, its the fact that 01:01:895 (3,1) - these 2 notes are stacked which once again will put people off and cause misses imo
7. 01:03:235 (3,4) - why is the spacing different from 01:04:306 (3,4) - ? ive had a few repeats the beat doesnt change why would that need to then?
8. 01:12:610 (3,2,3) - remember when i told you in insane when you could try something like blanketing both of the sliders 01:12:610 (3,3) - with the same part of the note, to give it some visual impact look-ish thing, you could try this here as well. This would also add some $tyl3 P0int5 yeno
9. 01:48:770 (1) - i dont think this note fits here, try extending the slider to the white note in the old place of the note and just extend it to the next white tick. Something like this
10. 01:51:717 (5,1) - this is what i was on like earlier this shouldnt be stacked like this
11. 02:08:056 (1) - remember the break thing, see here imo you should keep it since it gives the player some rest
12. 02:10:969 - buuuut i still think mapping should start here for this since there is a strong drum hit sound that just like giving the feeling of "something is missing here"
13. 02:47:029 (2,3) - you could fix this blanket here a little bit
14. 03:01:360 (6) - this at x:224 y:268 and 03:01:628 (1) - x:124 y:168 since this note 03:01:628 (1) - should have a space of its own imo since the tune is dying out ever-so slowly
15. 03:17:967 (1) - right there is a weird timing point problem since there is 0,25 and like on the next red tick its 0,5, any reason for this. Also i may be modding but i'm really curious of how you can make the timing points go below 0,5 i would be really happy if you told me
16. 03:30:155 (2,3,4) - maybe increase these to DS 2x if you want since its that like move intense signing going on, and the DS between 03:30:289 (3,4) - is different check that out if you dont like changing the DS to 2
17. 03:35:913 (1) - ooooh the SV change here although for this i would recommend 1,4 since you used 1,2 for the previous kiai time and the beat in this one really increases as in intesity and like difficulty imo
18. 03:48:101 (3,4) - make the jump between these bigger i'd suggest
19. 03:58:146 (5,2) - this overlap is pretty weird unless you meant it idk, imo its pretty weird (maybe its cause i dont like overlaps as big )
20. 04:03:770 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - i personally dont like this, try doing something similar to 04:01:628 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - although on those ones the DS isnt the same but what im trying to say is per every red tick make a decent jump since there is like that sound i dont know how to explain it tbh but eh

Cooldue7 wrote:

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hello from my queue Ill only mod the hardest 3 diffs its not that i dont want to but im really shit modding below that its only blankets and shit, and i hate that, i only mod below that if i actually need to :/


[Insane]

1. 00:02:699 (1,1) - first point is a blanket yaaaaaaaaaaas loving this already (im being mean to myself) It's really not visible in game play :p
2. 00:04:172 (2) - how about moving this to x:92 y:88 and this 00:04:708 (4) - to x:232 y:168 it doesnt look bad and it gives a nice feeling onto entering the slider with that beat in the back ground 00:04:708 (4,1) - like you hear this double note sort of thing Really good idea BUT I'm afraid it's going to create confusion as the DS wouldn't be constant!
3. 00:08:458 (2,3,4,1) - ^ same thing not the same positions doe just like the idea ^ also I like the pattern really much here
4. 00:10:199 (1,2) - consider thisif you wish ofc without the NC, since if you listen at 25% you hear that strong whoosing sound dont ignore that man notes dont fit here To me it's more the end of the sound than an added sound. I'm not sure a 1/2 is welcome here. Also, I think the 1/1 here accentuate those 2 strong notes even more.
5. 00:11:003 (3,1) - ik why the kiai time is here to put emphasis on the change of music but i mean do you necesarly need it? its up to you since there are more of these but its your choice if you want to change that or not, the effect isnt long anyway so i mean eh It's definetly needed to me ya :p The music calls for a kiai I think, I just didn't put the whole section on kiai to not overdo it, but a fountain is welcome
6. 00:13:681 (2,3) - just a little polish on the overlap mh ok why not
7. 00:23:324 (2) - this is on the down beat or whatever you call that like you havent done it here 00:23:592 (3,4) - so idk your choice Ah you mean the beats are getting stronger? I could map only circles here but it's only insane I don't want it to be too hard. Did the same here 00:14:485 (1) - imo
8. 00:48:235 (2,1) - overlap fix that a little bit Does it overlaps? xD
9. 00:58:815 (2,3,4) - if you want consider 00:59:217 (4) - moving this so that it blankets at the same spot as this one 00:58:949 (3) - with the circle But then I would loose the blanket with 00:58:413 (1) -
10. 00:58:815 (2) -
11. 01:10:735 (1) - Nc maybe because of that beat change its pretty strong imo, but hey again ignore this since im shite at NC Ye I'm not sure to agree here, it would feel a bit random and not constant
12. 01:59:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - here you gave those notes a pretty ok overlap, but here 02:01:895 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - you increased the space between them why? the beat is still the same The beat is still the same, but it's to give some variety to this part. The movement as well as the speed stays the same Juste the pattern change emplacement! Why do I change it here? Because the vocal, them, changes quite a bit!
13. 02:08:056 (1) - i dont think a break here fits bud just leave it blank since the singing is still there and the beat hasnt changed much also you could add something here 02:10:199 because of the strong beats The point is good, but it feels way too empty to me, I don't like it (not to mention that meanwhile the drain is going down ><
14. 02:12:342 (1) - dont think this kiai flash fits here what so ever the tune hasnt changed much I Think it's getting really nervous here though xD That bridge is what I prefer on this song btw so I'd rather highlight it.
15. 03:00:020 (3,1) - blanket boi fixed!
16. 03:01:628 (1) - how about x:64 y:256 ? its a new combo and it will make the note stand out more too confusing to me ><
17. 03:35:913 (1) - here i realised all of your SV are 1, why? anyway here increase the SV to at least 1,2 even more if you wish since the tune gets so much more agressive at this point, that sort of thing should really be emphasised imo seriously It's just an insane, I don't want to make it too hard yet :c The section is intensify by the fact there's more 1/2

[Extra]

1. 00:13:413 (1) - x:148 y:244 so that its emphasised a little, and the break between the next slider will be a kind of a warning to the player not to click as fast at this point, consider this for the rest of sliders and jumps similar to this I'd rather move it around x128 y220 but since I didn't use that form that much I don't feel the urge to change it
2. 00:17:699 (1) - same as before not the same position doe but DS can be similar same ^
3. 00:23:458 (4) - the change of sound happens here so i'd suggest making a NC here Nope the strong beats starts here 00:23:592 (1) -
4. 00:23:458 (4) - ctrl+g maybe You meant "J" ? If yes that's waaaay to rough for an insane even an extra it would be a pain to play XD if not I didn't get you sorry :c
5. 01:38:994 (2,3,4,5) - for the full part of that nya nya nya sound you only make jumps here, why? I feel that the music is really intense here
6. 02:10:199 - as in insane you can start mapping here and delete that break But the break would be too small so a bit confusing maybe. I prefer staying constant between all the diffs here, it's safer xD
7. 02:37:922 (2,3,4,5) - again as previosuly only one jumpy section out of all of the nya nya nya's Same ^
8. 03:01:628 (1) - x:200 y:120 maybe since it is the last note why not make it a bit jumpy It does look nice. But since the music gets suddenly calmer I don't feel that something a bit jumpy is that much welcome
9. 03:01:628 (1) - ctrl+g this since basicly that will be a double and it will make it easier for the player to hit it like that I don't understand??
10. 03:35:913 (1) - again the SV thing dude emphasise that cmon man I didn't do it on Freeze neither, would feel weird to do it on the easier diffs. I think that considering the previous pattern there's already a notion of speed up sooo ya, no need to overdo it.
11. 04:05:244 (3,1,2) - make this a jumpy section since current state doesnt quite fit the music considering previosuly on the other kiai times you did do some jumps you could also give this some jumps There's a pretty big jump from (3) to (1). Also, I think it does fit the music as the stacked notes represents ummm that guitar or w/e instrument it is XD
12. 04:11:270 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - holy shit i would highly clasify this as an overmap tbh, either nerf this (DS) or create some sort of nice star patterns Overmap??? Why?? I like the pattern the way it is :c

[Freeze]

1. I would recommend increasing the AR to 9.6 since it is a pretty fast song and 9,4 may seem really slow for the players that will play this, imo 9,6 is far more fitting Gotta think about it. The point is interesting but from what I saw on testplays it wasn't such a big deal, so yep, I'll see. Also it does feel proportional with other diffs this way.
2. 00:10:869 (1) - i would strongly recommend ctrl+g this it would nicelly fit as well, if you apply this change the DS so that it is similar in some way But this pattern is a call back to 00:10:199 (1,1) - :c
3. 00:23:056 (1,3) - you could blanket these note give the slider some purpose in being the shape it is now There's already a puprose: A slider in a middle of 2 triangles.
4. 00:42:074 (4,1) - why did you give this a huge jump here, whilst 00:44:217 (4,1) - is so much smaller, the beat calms a little bit but not that far for it to be spaced so diffrently It's 1/4, not that much of a jump and plays really good. I'd increase the second pattern's spacing but I'm afraid it's going to much on a side so the section will loose its balance as it is pretty symmetric.
5. 00:55:735 (3) - x:124 y:328 remember the thing in the previous insane or extra diff about those note slider things, in this diff i would strongly recommend applying them since the song is really fast and these could cause a lot (i mean a lot) of misses, which could also be frustrating to play imo without any sort of warning from the mapper. At some point in Extra you done this sort of thing where you did put the circle before the slider but that wasnt really needed. So yh your chouce but in this diff i think it would matter the most I'm following the vocal. Oh also, Freeze diff is the example, not extra not insane !
6. 01:01:895 (3,1,2) - imo this is awkaward to hit/play i would consider changing this, its the fact that 01:01:895 (3,1) - these 2 notes are stacked which once again will put people off and cause misses imo I know it is awkward, and this is the purpose! as it creates a nice feedback of the music
7. 01:03:235 (3,4) - why is the spacing different from 01:04:306 (3,4) - ? ive had a few repeats the beat doesnt change why would that need to then? It doesn't change that much in game, but if I had to give a reason it would be the vocal. The first one it keeps singing, but on the second one there's a little pause. I'd change it but since those patterns are perfectly overlaped/blanket I prefer not touch it for such a detail :c
8. 01:12:610 (3,2,3) - remember when i told you in insane when you could try something like blanketing both of the sliders 01:12:610 (3,3) - with the same part of the note, to give it some visual impact look-ish thing, you could try this here as well. This would also add some $tyl3 P0int5 yeno But both sliders are already blanket ? I find the pattern really nice the way it is tbh xD
9. 01:48:770 (1) - i dont think this note fits here, try extending the slider to the white note in the old place of the note and just extend it to the next white tick. Something like this It's for the sake of readability!
10. 01:51:717 (5,1) - this is what i was on like earlier this shouldnt be stacked like this But it gives more flow like this imo
11. 02:08:056 (1) - remember the break thing, see here imo you should keep it since it gives the player some rest Same nothing's interesting here
12. 02:10:969 - buuuut i still think mapping should start here for this since there is a strong drum hit sound that just like giving the feeling of "something is missing here" same, I think I found a nice way to make it natural actually which was already pretty hard thing by itself
13. 02:47:029 (2,3) - you could fix this blanket here a little bit Not meant to be a perfect blanket, it';s fine this way
14. 03:01:360 (6) - this at x:224 y:268 and 03:01:628 (1) - x:124 y:168 since this note 03:01:628 (1) - should have a space of its own imo since the tune is dying out ever-so slowly Nope, it's really confusing and kills my flow
15. 03:17:967 (1) - right there is a weird timing point problem since there is 0,25 and like on the next red tick its 0,5, any reason for this. Also i may be modding but i'm really curious of how you can make the timing points go below 0,5 i would be really happy if you told me Oh yes, I wonder if it's a real problem as the slider stays under 0.25... The second timing is just here for the hitsound. Gotta check it with bns or smthing. You can change below 0.50 by searching the the line in the notepad (file -> open osu in notepad)
16. 03:30:155 (2,3,4) - maybe increase these to DS 2x if you want since its that like move intense signing going on, and the DS between 03:30:289 (3,4) - is different check that out if you dont like changing the DS to 2 I made the DS constant nice point. Not moving for DSx2 here though, a bit too much I'm not even sure about the flow of this pattern
17. 03:35:913 (1) - ooooh the SV change here although for this i would recommend 1,4 since you used 1,2 for the previous kiai time and the beat in this one really increases as in intesity and like difficulty imo 1.4 feels way too much, I'd use it really on little occasion and for only 1 slider.
18. 03:48:101 (3,4) - make the jump between these bigger i'd suggest Let's stay constant, the diff is already pretty hard sooo ye
19. 03:58:146 (5,2) - this overlap is pretty weird unless you meant it idk, imo its pretty weird (maybe its cause i dont like overlaps as big ) Kinda agree but didn't find another way to put it and keeping the same patterns that I really like btw xD Sooo keeping it. I don't think it kills the neat of the map as it is the only one like this.
20. 04:03:770 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - i personally dont like this, try doing something similar to 04:01:628 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - although on those ones the DS isnt the same but what im trying to say is per every red tick make a decent jump since there is like that sound i dont know how to explain it tbh but eh Same as extra, it does follow the guitar (or w/e) and the patterns are cool I think xD

Man i hope i pointed something out that you may find usefull :/ sorry if i didn't

Also have a star, people want want some sort of Snow Drive to be ranked and this diff looks promising imo so why not help the people and you see this map

A few interesting points! Lots of red, but don't worry, as I already told you opinions are always welcome. The thing is when I do something, I mean it so to change my mind you gotta have massive argument XD.

Anyway that was a nice check, that's for sure!
Thank you for your mod, the time you spent for it, as well as your star. Really appreciated!

Asserin wrote:

SPOILER

~Hello!
#M4M

Freeze

1. 00:05:378 (1,2) - It should have same ds. like 00:04:842 (1,2) - cus rhythm is the same fixed
2. 00:03:770 (1,2) - Why this and 00:04:306 (1,2) - This is not duplicate ? I mean 00:04:708 (2) - Have other ds. :/ Wow, I have no clue, fixed!!
3. 00:02:699 (1,4) - => 00:03:503 (4) - x 152 plox You meant Y ! Fixed!! Placed it also on the middle of the screen, was slightly unbalanced.
4. 00:17:431 (5,6) - CTRL+G pls Mh ok, I get why.
5. 00:17:967 (2,4) - ^ Nope, flow is good, pattern is good, I won't change it
6. 00:18:971 (2,3) - x 417|133 y Fixed !!
7. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - Its really cool but it should be sliders 1/4 imo it work really fine fixed for now, I might change my decision with testplays
8. 00:48:235 (3,4) - Correct blanket fixed a bit
9. 00:51:717 (4) - It should be same slider like earlier 00:50:913 (1,2,3) - same like this and pls correct ds. for 00:51:449 (3,4) - Cus its not the same like 00:50:913 (1,2) - :C Disagree on it. I put the slider on 1/4 for the momentum which renders pretty great. I fixed just a bit the DS, really just a bit. I think it's a problem that is not a real problem. It doesn't change anything in gameplay and it's barely visible.
10. 00:52:721 - There is missing note .-. i know what u wanted to make but u shlould do sth with 00:52:520 (1,2) - and add note there, slider should be nice I think that if I want the same 1/8, adding a note would kill the playability though, and I want to go with those 1/8 x)
11. 00:57:275 (8) - Overmap .-. It's to emphasize, it plays great and sounds really good to me.
12. 00:58:949 (3,4) - Its not the same ds. like 00:58:413 (1,2) - .-. Correct all thing like that pls cus its mistake if u wont keep consistency map The pattern is different. It's not like if the pattern was unbalanced like this : http://puu.sh/nbFQ5/26e8960a5a.jpg
13. 01:06:181 (2) - This place for circle is weird a little It doesn't seem to be a problem in gameplay from what I saw (and what I can play).
14. 01:11:806 (1,2) - AGAIN u know what to do :^) Same, the spacing would kill the pattern. The flow is really good too I think so I won't touch it.
15. 01:12:476 (2,3) - Correct blanket I think it's fine, it looks nicer this way than a perfect blanket tbh
16. 01:13:011 (2,3) - ^ ^
17. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - This part is a little bad imo like Idk what to map this lets duplicate XD Following the music, the music "duplicates" too. I think the patterns are pretty original by themselves as well.
18. 01:53:860 (4,2) - Correct blanket Is it wrong? o.o
19. 01:56:003 (2) - This circle is other then 01:55:467 (2) - there u should make duplicate 01:55:199 (1,2) There's no beats on the second one (you used this style all over the map I just modded! xD)
20. 02:00:556 (1,2) - Its curve as fuck XDDDD wut? what's wrong?
21. 02:04:306 (3,4) - End of sliders are not stacked Fixed just a bit, can't do much better as it automatically unstack :c
22. 02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Again this weird part I like it :c You mentionned all the parts I like but not the one that I had some doubts for 03:27:342 (1) - XD
23. 02:53:324 (3) - Its off the map .-. Correct this cus u can got dq for it Was it really off? Anyway, fixed.
24. 02:53:592 (4,5) - Correct blanket It's ok this way, it adds some style
25. 03:41:672 (3) - This overlap is ugly :/ I made the overlap more obvious (as it wasn;t overlapped enough to me actually) Looks neater (to me)
26. 03:57:074 (1,2) - Why u changed ds. if rhythm is the same ? Fixed

Extra

1. 00:06:181 (6,8) - It shouln't be stacked threre imo cus its other rhythn and back to this place can be confuse I don't think it's confusing at all and it follows the idea that I make of the music here. Which is a coming back and forth
2. 00:11:538 (3,6) - Correct blanket It's ok, slider is gone when there's the triple anyway
3. 00:13:413 (1) - It should be slider imo :/ Not if I follow the melody
4. 00:17:699 (1) - ^ and other the same same
5. 00:20:378 (1,2) - Correct blanket It's fine this way. I think those kind of blankets give some style and atmosphere to the map.
6. 00:49:574 (4) - Why u used other rotate there ? I'm not sure to get it, the rotation is constantly -30
7. 00:55:467 (2,1) - A little curve blanket It's fine this way
8. 00:58:949 (3,4) - Correct ds with 00:58:413 (1,2) Nothing's wrong with DS
9. 01:03:770 (1,2,3) - Its curve XDDD I mean its not same rotate :v I dont understand and I don't see any problem here o.o
10. 01:17:967 (2,3) - Correct blanket corrected just a bit.
11. 01:38:324 (2,1) - ^ ^
12. 01:50:913 (1,3) - ^ I think it's fine
13. 02:06:717 (6,1) - ^ Better without blanket
14. 02:14:752 (2,3) - ^ corrected just a bit
15. 02:47:029 (2,3) - ^ ^
16. 03:22:253 (2,1) - ^ ^
17. 03:35:913 (1) - Stack it ? :v Custom stack gives a better impression
18. 03:37:788 (2,3) - ^ It is already stacked?

I will continue mod later :3

Rumia- wrote:

some irc on the highest diff

2016-02-19 03:56 Rumia-: 00:10:467 (1,1) - i think better remove this nc
2016-02-19 03:57 Rumia-: because it bugs reading  , plus its on intro
2016-02-19 03:57 Rumia-: 00:11:003 (1) - this one is reverse , people could easily mistaken as a 1/4 slider as well
2016-02-19 03:58 Yales: Mhh I see.. On the other hand, I kinda like the "
2016-02-19 03:58 Yales: "electric" style here
2016-02-19 03:58 Yales: mhh
2016-02-19 03:58 Yales: I guess better without ye
2016-02-19 03:59 Rumia-: 00:32:431 (1) - the same instrument , without any specific emphasis , shouldnt be nc i guess
2016-02-19 03:59 Yales: but the vocal is starting here
2016-02-19 04:00 Yales: I'm obivously following the music
2016-02-19 04:00 Yales: but it's to make a little difference at least
2016-02-19 04:01 Rumia-: mhm ok
2016-02-19 04:01 Rumia-: 00:48:636 (5) - im wondering why would u suddenly catch this one when you are consistently mapping slider> circle
2016-02-19 04:02 Rumia-: the map stucture is really well imo , just some playablity issues i guess
2016-02-19 04:03 Yales: 2 reasons: 1. I think it seperates the 2 section pretty nicely. 2nd, more technique, if we follow the beats, there's one on this red tick but not on the ones before
2016-02-19 04:03 Rumia-: i dont mean its not playable , some parts are just hard to read due to the nc spams or some stuffs
2016-02-19 04:03 Yales: Alright !
2016-02-19 04:03 Yales: I see
2016-02-19 04:04 Rumia-: 01:22:253 (1) - nc like these
2016-02-19 04:04 Rumia-: is what i meant 
2016-02-19 04:04 Yales: I really like them though xD
2016-02-19 04:04 Yales: It makes the pattern looks way lighter
2016-02-19 04:05 Yales: and about this one specifically it start on the same "ko" so I think a new NC renders pretty cool x)
2016-02-19 04:05 Rumia-: but yea u didnt do it consistently on later part
2016-02-19 04:05 Yales: 02:19:038 (1) - and this one (aside the fact that it makes the pattern lighter it's for constanticity)
2016-02-19 04:05 Rumia-: sometimes it do affect reading because players assume nc as a beat change or sv change
2016-02-19 04:07 Yales: mh i see
2016-02-19 04:08 Rumia-: nc spams could be a good use , but they are usually used on special pattern
2016-02-19 04:08 Rumia-: which sometimes kills the ds ( for gimmicky purpose)
2016-02-19 04:08 Rumia-: but your map is well-flow it doesnt gimmick much ( other than the svs)
2016-02-19 04:09 Rumia-: should be fine to nc on svs
2016-02-19 04:09 Rumia-: 03:11:136 (1,2,3) - 03:11:806 (1,2,3,4) - inconsistent distance
2016-02-19 04:10 Yales: I do love the NCs going by 2 though as RLC is using a lot recently too, it electrifies the pattern and make it lighter
2016-02-19 04:10 Yales: oh yes
2016-02-19 04:10 Yales: gotta fix it!
2016-02-19 04:11 Rumia-: yea but i think he didnt use as much as u did lol
2016-02-19 04:11 Rumia-: tbh its too much ncs but its fine on most of the part
2016-02-19 04:12 Rumia-: but sometimes people could confused
2016-02-19 04:13 Rumia-: 04:11:003 (1) - like this nc shouldnt be needed
2016-02-19 04:13 Rumia-: there are earlier part with the same one i might missed
2016-02-19 04:13 Rumia-: 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - also for the sliders that u extended , lower the vloume of the tail
2016-02-19 04:14 Yales: 04:11:003 (1) - Ah for this one I don't mind removing it, I actually placed it to help the player cause new timing but well
2016-02-19 04:14 Yales: okay
2016-02-19 04:14 Yales: 5% is ok right?
2016-02-19 04:14 Rumia-: idk i think 15% is already enough to mute them
2016-02-19 04:15 Yales: (ye definetly gonna remove that last NC!)
2016-02-19 04:15 Rumia-: 5% might cause dq xD cuz yknow people
2016-02-19 04:15 Yales: okay !
2016-02-19 04:15 Rumia-: r just arent satisfied with people
2016-02-19 04:15 Yales: ya, the 5% is a bit controversial xD
2016-02-19 04:16 Rumia-: 03:59:149 (5) - o i cant hear this
2016-02-19 04:16 Rumia-: the only triplet that is inaudible 
2016-02-19 04:17 Yales: ah, yep indeed sounds better without
2016-02-19 04:17 Rumia-: i dont really have much problems playing this diff
2016-02-19 04:18 Rumia-: (except the stream part because im bad loool
2016-02-19 04:18 Rumia-: so i guess it should be good
2016-02-19 04:18 Yales: Yayy!
2016-02-19 04:19 Rumia-: i think bn would point out about NCs too but you should be prepared for those
2016-02-19 04:19 Rumia-: some that might bothers with reading issues should be considered to make your map more enjoyable :D
2016-02-19 04:19 Yales: I'll try to reduce them a bit yes
2016-02-19 04:20 Yales: OH
2016-02-19 04:20 Yales: making things clear
2016-02-19 04:20 Yales: 01:46:092 (3) - this is readable right ?
2016-02-19 04:20 Rumia-: ok thats it for n-----
2016-02-19 04:20 Rumia-: o
2016-02-19 04:21 Rumia-: for nomods and hr should be
2016-02-19 04:21 Rumia-: might cause reading issue for HDs
2016-02-19 04:21 Yales: ah, gotta recheck it with hd just in case then, thanks
2016-02-19 04:21 Yales: the slider pops pretty fast so I was a bit worried x)
2016-02-19 04:22 Rumia-: 01:48:770 (1,2) - ah i just noticed your instrument went versa
2016-02-19 04:22 Yales: what do you mean?
2016-02-19 04:22 Rumia-: should be ctrl g ?
2016-02-19 04:22 Rumia-: 01:49:172 (1,2) -  since these are the same instrument
2016-02-19 04:23 Rumia-: assume the buzz slider should be on 01:48:770 - instead
2016-02-19 04:23 Yales: Ah, place the slider reverse before? I think it would cause a real problem to play tbh
2016-02-19 04:23 Rumia-: 01:49:038 - a circle here to indicate the snare
2016-02-19 04:24 Rumia-: but they have 1/2 gaps so it should be fine!
2016-02-19 04:24 Yales: alright!
2016-02-19 04:27 Rumia-: 01:57:699 (1) - btw i dont think this one snapped on 1/12
2016-02-19 04:28 Rumia-: should be just a 1/4 reverse on the red tick ?
2016-02-19 04:28 Yales: I clearly hear some 1/3 though
2016-02-19 04:29 Rumia-: but i think its better to keep consistent as a 1/2 gap since its barely audible anyway
2016-02-19 04:29 Yales: which makes sense with the following 01:58:413 (1) -
2016-02-19 04:29 Rumia-: people wont expect it either imo
2016-02-19 04:29 Rumia-: yea the part onwards was correctly made
2016-02-19 04:30 Rumia-: or another solution you could
2016-02-19 04:30 Rumia-: place the slider at 01:57:878 - 
2016-02-19 04:31 Yales: does it really affect gameplay? I added the reverse to made it more playable even though it was unexpected, also I think it's a good way to say "be careful, 1/3 incoming"
2016-02-19 04:31 Rumia-: so it could emphasis the vocal
2016-02-19 04:31 Rumia-: yea the reverse if you press it late
2016-02-19 04:31 Rumia-: it could break combo
2016-02-19 04:31 Rumia-: since people must have expect it as a 1/2 gap
2016-02-19 04:32 Yales: 01:57:699 (3) - the beat here is too heavy to be ignored ><
2016-02-19 04:32 01:57:699  - *
2016-02-19 04:32 Rumia-: o
2016-02-19 04:32 Rumia-: maybe i explained it wrong
2016-02-19 04:32 Rumia-: i mean it to be like http://puu.sh/ncP9x.jpg
2016-02-19 04:33 Rumia-: 01:57:610 (2) - since this object is nicely at the same vocal
2016-02-19 04:33 Rumia-: so switching this to vocal emphasis for this part works nice either
2016-02-19 04:34 Rumia-: adding to the point that 01:58:413 (1,1,1,1) - these vocal also were mapped on the 1/3s so i think its a good solution
2016-02-19 04:34 Yales: mhhh
2016-02-19 04:35 Yales: it does bother me a little bit :c
2016-02-19 04:35 Rumia-: well its your decision to make anyways :p im just giving out ideas
2016-02-19 04:35 Yales: ^^
2016-02-19 04:35 Rumia-: anyway that is my last point i guess , i should rlly be sleeping rn
2016-02-19 04:36 Rumia-: xD
2016-02-19 04:36 Yales: ahhh sorry
2016-02-19 04:36 Yales: Thank you veryy muchhh !!!!
2016-02-19 04:36 Yales: Rly appreciated ! (Go post the irc before sleeping! :D)
2016-02-19 04:36 Rumia-: np!
2016-02-19 04:36 Rumia-: alright

1. hp6? You have a lot of 1/4 sliders which give you not enough hp if you hit them and if you miss 2 u ded. jk, its not that harsh but gaining hp again.
2. 01:11:270 (1,1) - I missread that multiple times to be ctrl+g and it plays more innutitive that way.
3. 02:32:431 (5) - current flow suggests ctrl+g as a better solution.
4. 03:41:271 (1,2,3) - looks very cramped can you give 3 more space maybe?
5. 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - I wondered why u never silenced the ends? I mean u don't have to xd, but the clapping at the ends is super annoying to hear. Just a personal thing tho.

1. AR9.3 felt better for me in playtest.
2. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - it was actually harder to read for me bcs u ncd this.
3. 02:03:235 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the spacing a bit since you have bigger spacing before for 1/1 pause between the notes and suddenly 1/2 snapping with exact same distance might be confusing for some people.
4. 03:35:913 (1) - make same overlap like 02:44:217 (2) - here? with the slider being after the circle i mean. just a stylish thing lol
   
   nice can't find more.

1. 01:38:458 (4) - stack properly.
2. 03:35:913 (1) - ^
   04:02:968 (2) - uhm clap?
   04:04:039 (2) - ^same
3. 04:13:480 - delete that line it has no effect whatsoever

1. 00:19:306 (3,4) - imo this flows better with 2 two 1/2 sliders since the sounds you map to occur every 1/2 beat and not 1/1 like 00:18:770 (1,2) - here
2. 00:20:913 (1) - tbh i think you should just stay with overlaping this completely like you did 00:14:351 (4,1) - here (just for consistency)
3. 00:33:770 (1) - its funny how this section is actually harder to play than in the hardest diff xd - just bcs you used distance snapping.
4. 00:55:467 (2,3,4) - it's quite confusing that you use this double stack never again (u kinda have to know it's there if you play hidden) even though it fits the vocal well.
5. 01:15:288 (3) - same like before.
6. 01:50:645 (1) - idk i feel like you should do it like in insane having a reverse here. I know its hard diff, but alone it should be fine.
7. 02:45:556 (1) - this barely overlapping here doesn't look good imo, maybe make it like the others or just stack it.
8. 03:11:806 (1) - that nc is kinda weird tbh or idk why u ncd this. How about not Ncing this at all?
9. 03:23:458 (2,3) - why u change the stlye of how you overlap this? i kinda don't get that
10. 03:33:770 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I'd make 03:33:770 (1,2,3,4) - sliders and 03:34:842 (1,2,3,4) - leave them as circles. You want to emphasize the first ones not as much as the others. You already do that well with the spacing you choose, but I feel like with the sliders it makes it more intiutive for the player.
11. 04:10:199 (1,2) - uh why no whistles when you use them for exact same sound 04:09:931 (4) - here.

Feb wrote:

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hi m4m from my queue - sorry, I was sick this week so the mod got delayed a bit

[General]
would love to see this ranked soon. Me too !! XD
I nc different than you in higher diffs i notice lol, so uh i'll only point out those who bugged me reading etc.

[Freeze]

1. hp6? You have a lot of 1/4 sliders which give you not enough hp if you hit them and if you miss 2 u ded. jk, its not that harsh but gaining hp again. Gotta think about it, but I think it's pretty much appropriate (it was 8 at the beginning!)
2. 01:11:270 (1,1) - I missread that multiple times to be ctrl+g and it plays more innutitive that way. Aa, I don't think there's a really reading problem here tbh, it flows pretty great imo. I really like the pattern actually, I don't want to change it xD But yes, to be honnest I don't have problem on this one so yep
3. 02:32:431 (5) - current flow suggests ctrl+g as a better solution. I think the pattern flows great!
4. 03:41:271 (1,2,3) - looks very cramped can you give 3 more space maybe? I think that if I would have gave (3) "more space" the flow with 03:41:806 (4) - would be exactly what I don't want. BUT I agree that it wasn't that neat (even though I actually liked the idea of the pattern) so I actually put (3) on the other side of 03:41:271 (1) - and I think it looks and plays way better now!
5. 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - I wondered why u never silenced the ends? I mean u don't have to xd, but the clapping at the ends is super annoying to hear. Just a personal thing tho. Fixed with previous mod ^^ wait.. there's no clapping at the end? Do you think the claps at the beginning of the sldiers are too loud? Or is it ok now? If you come check my answer let me know please xD

[Extra]

1. AR9.3 felt better for me in playtest. Mhh, I don't mind changing it buuut, I don't think it's that much of a difference and now it's proportional between Insane, Extra and Freeze soo, I'd like to keep it if most of people are fine with it.
2. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - it was actually harder to read for me bcs u ncd this. It's to electrifies the pattern as the music feels really spontaneous! The NC doesn't, indeed, help the reading but I feel that it's kinda the effect I want as well (as long as it's still readable at the end!)
3. 02:03:235 (1,2,3) - I'd reduce the spacing a bit since you have bigger spacing before for 1/1 pause between the notes and suddenly 1/2 snapping with exact same distance might be confusing for some people. Fixed in another way
4. 03:35:913 (1) - make same overlap like 02:44:217 (2) - here? with the slider being after the circle i mean. just a stylish thing lol It was like this but someone suggested me to change it like this and I think it looks way better in gameplay this way! And it "feels" that it flows better this way I think (it's obviously just a feel, the movement is the same).
   
   nice can't find more. Nice, I was a bit worried about this diff as it's the last one I made so I got pretty bored XD

[Insane]

1. 01:38:458 (4) - stack properly. OOPS
2. 03:35:913 (1) - ^ Ah, I prefer the custom stack here ! It's pretty much the same as the one you pointed out in Extra!
   04:02:968 (2) - uhm clap? Fixed!
   04:04:039 (2) - ^same Fixed!
3. 04:13:480 - delete that line it has no effect whatsoever It does, end of the kiai after the fountain :p

[Hard]

1. 00:19:306 (3,4) - imo this flows better with 2 two 1/2 sliders since the sounds you map to occur every 1/2 beat and not 1/1 like 00:18:770 (1,2) - here Right, good point
2. 00:20:913 (1) - tbh i think you should just stay with overlaping this completely like you did 00:14:351 (4,1) - here (just for consistency) But I also did some other customs stacks 02:45:556 (1) - etc. I don't think it's a real problem, those stacks are omnipresent in the set even though they're not always present.
3. 00:33:770 (1) - its funny how this section is actually harder to play than in the hardest diff xd - just bcs you used distance snapping. Mhhh... I kinda feel that if I would stack as I did in Freeze for example, the pattern would be more technique to hit, so actually way harder.
4. 00:55:467 (2,3,4) - it's quite confusing that you use this double stack never again (u kinda have to know it's there if you play hidden) even though it fits the vocal well. Added another one at the beginning by fixing another point, maybe it'll be better then... I agree that it does fit the vocal that's why I don't really want to change it lol
5. 01:15:288 (3) - same like before. same ^
6. 01:50:645 (1) - idk i feel like you should do it like in insane having a reverse here. I know its hard diff, but alone it should be fine. Idea is good but I feel that the slider starting on red tick like this for a hard isn't catchy at all though I prefer keeping this pattern the way it is, just to be safe.
7. 02:45:556 (1) - this barely overlapping here doesn't look good imo, maybe make it like the others or just stack it. Ahh I really like it though XD
8. 03:11:806 (1) - that nc is kinda weird tbh or idk why u ncd this. How about not Ncing this at all? Fixed !
9. 03:23:458 (2,3) - why u change the stlye of how you overlap this? i kinda don't get that It was for dumb reasons, fixed.
10. 03:33:770 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I'd make 03:33:770 (1,2,3,4) - sliders and 03:34:842 (1,2,3,4) - leave them as circles. You want to emphasize the first ones not as much as the others. You already do that well with the spacing you choose, but I feel like with the sliders it makes it more intiutive for the player. I get what you mean but I don't think that the sliders are fitting that much I'm not sure how to explain it but it feels that the vocal are going a bit out of the constant flow the chorus made here. And I'm showing it with the 1/1 circles.
11. 04:10:199 (1,2) - uh why no whistles when you use them for exact same sound 04:09:931 (4) - here. fixed

nice set - sorry couldn't find more - I guess thats a good thing actually.
feels ready for me - most things are just objectively in my opinion.

Good Luck! o/

Thank you very much! Your mod was really helpful!
I hope you got better! o/

Feb wrote:

04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - that's what i meant! yep that's cool now.
I meant the sliderends hitting on the next head produced a "claping" sound which was not nice for the ears, but now its cool :^D

Milan- wrote:

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freeze
02:24:261 - before this point there isnt streams at all, there are some triples like 02:21:918 - 02:22:052 - could be a stream but rest is just overmapped so heavily... and from 02:25:199 - drums sound more like 1/3 tbh you can hear 2 beats between upbeats, not 3. same for extra
02:43:413 (1,2,3) - no need to end on 1/8, 1/4 is enough at this high bpm. adding some more ms to acc is better than this tbh and simlar patterns the same
02:04:842 (1,2,3,4,1) - 02:46:360 (3,4,5,6,1) - 02:50:645 (4,5,6,7,1) - overmap, triple is enough
03:14:485 - same as before, there are some triples and like 1 possible stream, rest is just overmapped, you should know why. same for extra

extra
00:10:199 - increase volumen on all diffs here, like freeze is fine. right now is basically unaudible

insane
01:58:413 (1,1,1) - sounds much better like http://puu.sh/nmkG1/b238cd15f1.jpg tbhxd right now the main melody is stopping in every slider, which doesnt sound good

normal
00:53:056 (3) - - and the other one after - dont use multi reverse at this difficulty, and even high bpm. you can get the same effect with 1 reverse less and plays much much better

most of those sections with lines <40~50% volumen are quite hard to hear cuz you use hitsounds that are sooo similar to the music (in addition that the music is loud lul). increasing those lines by 10% would be niceeee

i just pointed out the most noticiable stuff so ya, if you don't want to change the overmapped parts, i'll say glllll

Thank you very much for checking the set (sorry for the spam as well haha)

Soooo,
About Freeze, I'm pretty sure the streams aren't overmapped. There's a drumroll (This is also why you can't say if it's 1/4, 1/3 or 1/2). But there is clearly a drumroll. That part is really intense so EVEN IF there wasn't a drumroll, the part would call for a stream as it DOESN'T sound overmapped here. I was pretty sure of myself but I still collectedlots of opinions to be really sure from average players, to top players, including mappers, as well as people who has a really nice approach of music in general), Answers? 100% told me it's fine. (I have the screenshots if needed xD)

About this one 02:05:177 (2,3,4,1) - There's no beat, indeed, but considering the "background" of the music I think it's totally appropriate. Same goes for 03:14:150 (2,3,4,5,6) -
Then about 02:50:645 (4,5,6,7,1) - and 02:46:360 (3,4,5,6,1) - The explanation I'm going to make also apply for the points above. Well, this one is overmapped. Yet I don't like this expression as I don't think it sounds like some 1/16 on a calm 130 bpm songs. And also, the fact that you're suggesting me to change for triples proves that the definition itself of "overmapped" is really subjective But I don't think it's a bad thing to map as I did. Overmapping this way can add some speed up to the rhythme to help you show what you want to show in the music. I can give you a few maps that used this techniques and are still big big masterpiece! ( Yousei Teikoku - Hades: The Rise -> (Talk about Bikko's and thelewa's score: 3x 100 on a map full of 5 circles burst totally overmapped [I guess it didn't sound that bad right]). And please, PER PITY, don't tell me "but it's old" Because the last thing I want to map, is those maps full of triangles that all look the same nowadays. )
So.. Yes, to me, they keep the speed and doesn't even sound awful or something. I didn't overused them and placed at some wisely choosen spots. So tell me, why shall I change something that I like for the sake of a word which has a definition that nobody in this game seem to get???

About the 1/8 sliders. They're clearly not 1/4. I tried and it sounds really, really bad. I also think that, considering the burst of the music, 1/8 is more approriate and accurate to the music. Players are also used to hit 1/8 sliders for this kind of sound.

After that, gotta fix the hitsounds as requested, interesting point.

Also fixed this part 01:58:413 (1) - on insane as suggested

Fixed the reverses on Normal diff.

To finish, I'd like to thank you a lot for the time you spent as well on this set (it's the second time you're modding it!!) and I'd also like to thank you for accepting my request to check it!!

blissfulyoshi wrote:

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M4M of 1 diff...

And sorry, I know I'm not a good enough player to play this diff that well, but I think what I said applies. (Only get 20-30 combos)

Freeze:
00:08:458 (2,1) - why is the spacing so small between these 2 compared to all the previous combos? To me, what it matters on this pattern is that the spacing after the slider is x2. Before, it can be x4 or x1 the impact stays the same in my point of view.
00:08:994 (2,1) - ^
00:30:288 (1,1,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2) - Felt weird to go something super easy like a short slider stack all the way back to full blown jumps when the music doesn't really change much. I don't think the sliders stacked are that easy, but it has less movement for sure. Just showing the intensity of the drums, might sound a bit exagerate but I think it's a good transition between 2 totally different sections (not to mention that one of them is really slow :c)
00:32:699 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - with your hp7 drain this section really takes away from your hp. Please add more notes or lower the drain Mhh, interesting... I don't dislike drain section, they're part of the challenge (also, from what I can play, that part was passable with hr od10). After that, the hp bar goes down yes, but just before the kick sliders were supposed to made it full. And at the middle of the section there's 3 other kick sliders which makes the hp bar full again. But well, I'm not against lowering the drain, just need a bit more opinions (at the beginning the drain was 8 so.. )
00:50:913 (1,2,3,4) - these sliders are really slow in comparison to the speed needed to do the previous jumps 00:49:842 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - You should probably speed them up a bit Mhh.. I feel that the jump just before is too harsh actually, so the slower sliders are kinda welcome (the spacing is the same though so I don't think there's a problem of constanticity!)
01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - because of your tick rate 1, this section plays really strangely.With tick rate 1, I just need to do about half the slider to get the 300, wait a period of time to hit 2, and then accelerate to hit 3, and then go slightly slower to hit 1. However, the music mostly has the stresses on 1 or 2 (depending which phrase), which is pretty much the opposite of your pattern. You should probably rearrange these notes. Wooo, I didn't even know that XD I just put tick rate 1 because everyone's doing it XD ! I've learned something. After that I'm not sure to agree with your point. From what I can testplay, as well as the testplays I saw, because the sliders have a high SV the player tends to fully follow it. I think you just stop at the middle of the slider, when they're pretty small/slow. So I don't know, I don't really have this problem tbh. I really like the pattern which might not be that much objective imo XD. I'll keep in mind your opinion for sure though!
02:54:931 (4,1) - this felt a bit weird since I think it is the only slider that leads directly away from the next note in this section. Ruined the flow for me Mhh, that's good to know. But I don't think it kills the flow. To me, it just changes the flow, not in a bad way.
03:43:146 (4) - flows a little bit better if you put 4 under the end of 3 (you can move 5 further to keep the jump distance) Didn't want to put (5) too much away from the next slider, but your point is fair enough, gotta work on that!

Wish I had the skill level to pass this map. It feels fun from my current skill level.

Some interesting points!
Thank you very much!

1. 00:10:467 (1) - 00:10:869 (1) - Removing NC's could help with identifying the rhythm change, since the section here just sounds like two combo's, not 4 lol.
2. 00:15:824 (2,3) - I don't think this jump is warranted...
3. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Try and emphasize these drum hits more. Make the jump from 00:19:038 (3,4) - smaller because 4 doesn't really fit in... so having the same spacing makes the other circles feel not as important (even though musically theyre much stronger).
4. 00:30:288 (1,1,1) - Idk. This doesn't seem like a good design choice imo .
5. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1) - etc... This part is really cool though
6. 02:07:119 (2,3,4) - This just looks kinda weird... Can you make the triplet linear?
7. 02:21:315 - 02:24:128 - Yea this still sounds overmapped... The parts that sound warranted are 02:24:328 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - . The rest just a really light and ambiguous drum roll and not something that has a very definitive snapping. It just sounds nothing like 01:24:395 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and not nearly as distinctly 1/4.
8. 03:11:404 (3,4,5) - Not liking this switch to kicksliders xP. What you did with 03:10:735 (1,2,3,1) - was a lot better imo.
9. 03:14:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - There's such a distinct 1/2 rhythm here but your rhythm choice is frankly all over the place here xP.
10. 03:41:672 (3) - Can you position this elsewhere, the position is quite awkward and it feels like you ran out of room or something on the screen xP.
11. 04:09:128 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Keep your spacing consistent.
12. 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Okay this just isn't a good way to emphasize those notes imo...

1. 00:14:619 (2,4,2,4) - I don't really see the necessity of these 1/2's... 1/2 sliders would have worked just as well here without feeling forced since there isn't a clear 1/2 beat in the song right here. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Here is good though since it's well supported.
2. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - NC spam isn't necessary .
3. 01:26:940 (7,8,9,10,11,1) - The shape of that ending part of the stream just looks quite off :S.
4. 02:02:163 (3,4,5,6) - 1/2 sliders here would help maintain intensity. Right now it just feels empty.
5. 02:35:780 (4,1) - Wish you broke your spacing structure here to create a jump. It just feels really inconsistent compared to 02:37:252 (2,1) -
6. 03:17:967 (1) - No slow slider?
7. 03:27:208 (8,1) - Same as earlier.
8. 03:44:485 (1,2) - Why not Ctrl+G them and follow vocals? It just feels really off right now. I don't even normally map to vocals but they just feel so crucial here.
9. 04:11:270 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - 1/2 sliders to maintain rhythmic density.

1. 00:52:520 (3,4) - You could just use 1/4 repeats here imo. Switching from 1/2 to 1/8 is a bit of a jump in slider-lengths.
2. 01:31:895 (2,3) - This jump isn't emphasizing much, but it's detracting from the next downbeat.
3. 01:35:645 (3,1) - You should space them further if you want a 1/1 gap because this looks like a 1/2 jump atm due to how soon this pattern follows 01:34:842 (1,2) -
4. 02:31:628 (1) - Would look better if you made them mroe parallel (tail and head sections)
5. 02:47:431 (3,4,1,2) - The instruments are at a high pitch here. Idk, for me this means it's still quite intense. Use 1/2 sliders and stuff so it dosn't feel as empty.
6. 03:27:342 (1,2,3,4) - This is so undermapped, makes me sad .
7. 03:34:842 (1,1,1,1) - No need for NC spam here. You don't spam them on Extra or Freeze anyways.

1. 00:08:994 (3,4) - This spacing just looks too close together . You can use a higher spacing here imo.
2. 01:02:699 (1,3) - Can they not be so close? xP. Looks cramped lol.
3. 01:11:003 (4,1) - If you could incorporate this into a blanket, it would look pretty nice.
4. 03:29:217 (6,1,2,3,4) - You ignore the vocals so hard here just to follow a rhythm that is literally the metronome xP. 1 2 3 4.

1. Nothing inherently wrong here, but the diff feels more like a typical Easy with the very occasional 1/2 sliders. It doesn't even contain any 1/2 clicking rhythm. What I mean by 1/2 clicking rhythm is anything that looks something like this in terms of note density. Players are forced to click twice in half a beat.
   
   1/2

   
2. Since none of that even occurs in the Normal, I think theres a rhythm gap between Normal > Hard .

1. 00:57:342 (1) - This wave slider just looks really ugly . There are a variety of ways to do wave sliders, but this technique is best for long wave sliders (spanning more than half the screen)
   
   Do something like this please

   
2. 01:30:556 (1,3) - These sliders not being parallel really hurts the pattern.
3. 02:24:128 (1) - Slider. Okay quite a few of them look off so please fix them.

Monstrata wrote:

SPOILER

[Freeze]

1. 00:10:467 (1) - 00:10:869 (1) - Removing NC's could help with identifying the rhythm change, since the section here just sounds like two combo's, not 4 lol.
2. 00:15:824 (2,3) - I don't think this jump is warranted... It really doesn't destabilize me in gameplay
3. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Try and emphasize these drum hits more. Make the jump from 00:19:038 (3,4) - smaller because 4 doesn't really fit in... so having the same spacing makes the other circles feel not as important (even though musically theyre much stronger). I think that having a bunch of 1/4 is way more stronger than just increasing spacing. Also, I'd say it's rather the sound of the drums that changes rather than the intensity
4. 00:30:288 (1,1,1) - Idk. This doesn't seem like a good design choice imo . It difinetely is to me.
5. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1) - etc... This part is really cool though Not sure what's wrong?
6. 02:07:119 (2,3,4) - This just looks kinda weird... Can you make the triplet linear? I think it looks really floyw though
7. 02:21:315 - 02:24:128 - Yea this still sounds overmapped... The parts that sound warranted are 02:24:328 (4,5,6,7,8,1) - . The rest just a really light and ambiguous drum roll and not something that has a very definitive snapping. It just sounds nothing like 01:24:395 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - and not nearly as distinctly 1/4. I asked mutliple people, to be really sure, and they all told me this sounds like a steam, and I agree with them. spamming 1/2 here would just feel way too empy.
8. 03:11:404 (3,4,5) - Not liking this switch to kicksliders xP. What you did with 03:10:735 (1,2,3,1) - was a lot better imo. Not sure to get it?
9. 03:14:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - There's such a distinct 1/2 rhythm here but your rhythm choice is frankly all over the place here xP. I'm fine with my rhythm
10. 03:41:672 (3) - Can you position this elsewhere, the position is quite awkward and it feels like you ran out of room or something on the screen xP. It's not positionned out of place..
11. 04:09:128 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Keep your spacing consistent. Fixed
12. 04:11:271 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Okay this just isn't a good way to emphasize those notes imo... Why? I think it sounds nice though. And it reproduces the logo of "Omoi".

[Extra]

1. 00:14:619 (2,4,2,4) - I don't really see the necessity of these 1/2's... 1/2 sliders would have worked just as well here without feeling forced since there isn't a clear 1/2 beat in the song right here. 00:19:306 (5,6,7,8) - Here is good though since it's well supported. Same than Freeze, ]I think it's more the sounds of the drums that changed, rather that the intensity.
2. 00:40:869 (1,1,1) - NC spam isn't necessary . It is. To electrfies the pattern
3. 01:26:940 (7,8,9,10,11,1) - The shape of that ending part of the stream just looks quite off :S. Fixed a bit
4. 02:02:163 (3,4,5,6) - 1/2 sliders here would help maintain intensity. Right now it just feels empty. It's to give more impact on 02:03:235 (1) -
5. 02:35:780 (4,1) - Wish you broke your spacing structure here to create a jump. It just feels really inconsistent compared to 02:37:252 (2,1) - Fixed
6. 03:17:967 (1) - No slow slider? No, most people tends to break, or almost break first try on freeze.
7. 03:27:208 (8,1) - Same as earlier. Fixed
8. 03:44:485 (1,2) - Why not Ctrl+G them and follow vocals? It just feels really off right now. I don't even normally map to vocals but they just feel so crucial here. Okay
9. 04:11:270 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - 1/2 sliders to maintain rhythmic density. And my stream with a drumroll but "not a blatant one" were overmapped... I don't understand. Anyway, the whole map is kind of 1/2. Sometimes it's better to make things easier in order to give more impact.

[Insane]

1. 00:52:520 (3,4) - You could just use 1/4 repeats here imo. Switching from 1/2 to 1/8 is a bit of a jump in slider-lengths. I don't know, I'd rather stay constant with the other diff. Not to mention that what I'm trying to show via those sliders is clearly not some 1/4 rhythm.
2. 01:31:895 (2,3) - This jump isn't emphasizing much, but it's detracting from the next downbeat. My bad, got out of place, fixed.
3. 01:35:645 (3,1) - You should space them further if you want a 1/1 gap because this looks like a 1/2 jump atm due to how soon this pattern follows 01:34:842 (1,2) - Right, fixed.
4. 02:31:628 (1) - Would look better if you made them mroe parallel (tail and head sections) Fixed a bit
5. 02:47:431 (3,4,1,2) - The instruments are at a high pitch here. Idk, for me this means it's still quite intense. Use 1/2 sliders and stuff so it dosn't feel as empty. I feel that those 1/1 are another way to show how intense it is, instead of just spamming 1/2 the whole map. Everything is intense in this song anyway. XD
6. 03:27:342 (1,2,3,4) - This is so undermapped, makes me sad . I don't know, focusing on stronger beats. Maybe I'll change it.
7. 03:34:842 (1,1,1,1) - No need for NC spam here. You don't spam them on Extra or Freeze anyways. Talking about intensifying pattern, I like to use every tool at my dispostion.

[Hard]

1. 00:08:994 (3,4) - This spacing just looks too close together . You can use a higher spacing here imo. Fixed just a bit... I guess
2. 01:02:699 (1,3) - Can they not be so close? xP. Looks cramped lol. Same
3. 01:11:003 (4,1) - If you could incorporate this into a blanket, it would look pretty nice. Okay, Fixed
4. 03:29:217 (6,1,2,3,4) - You ignore the vocals so hard here just to follow a rhythm that is literally the metronome xP. 1 2 3 4. lol, idk, maybe I'll change it.

[Normal]

1. Nothing inherently wrong here, but the diff feels more like a typical Easy with the very occasional 1/2 sliders. It doesn't even contain any 1/2 clicking rhythm. What I mean by 1/2 clicking rhythm is anything that looks something like this in terms of note density. Players are forced to click twice in half a beat.
   
   1/2

   
2. Since none of that even occurs in the Normal, I think theres a rhythm gap between Normal > Hard .
   Blame the star rating.

[Easy]

1. 00:57:342 (1) - This wave slider just looks really ugly . There are a variety of ways to do wave sliders, but this technique is best for long wave sliders (spanning more than half the screen) Fixed, looks way better now *-*
   
   Do something like this please

   
2. 01:30:556 (1,3) - These sliders not being parallel really hurts the pattern. You mean ctrl+h? I don't know know I prefer this way I think, I don't really see what's wrong.
3. 02:24:128 (1) - Slider. Okay quite a few of them look off so please fix them. Yep, fixed them all

Alright, good luck! Ye... I need it.

Thanks for the mod!

1. I know from your mods that you are a fan of high AR, however I really think some of the ARs in this mapset are set too high. Mappers often think high BPM requires high AR but in reality your mapping style isn't hard to read at all with slightly lower AR, I would even say it reads better. What I suggest is the following:
   
   1. Extra could use AR9, only some simple jump and stream patterns here.
   2. Insane is what bothers me the most. AR9 for a map like this? AR8.5 is much better here if you ask me.
   3. Hard could also use AR7.5 or even AR7.

1. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Actually this section is very boring to play for this difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of undermapping and the rhythm is perfectly fine here it's just that this section requires almost no cursor movement due to slider leniency, and the movement it requires seems to come at the wrong times. These groups of objects 00:33:503 (3,1,2) - 00:34:574 (3,1,2) - etc. all play like a one-measure long stack and the only emphasis in this section is on those beats 00:33:503 - 00:34:574 - etc. What I would recommend is either having a jump before the big white ticks instead (which would mean stacking two circles under the slider and then have the jumps) or replacing the 1/2-sliders with circles somehow. Just try to create a more interesting cursor movement that emphasizes the music better.
2. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - So why does this pattern emphasize every second white tick (by repetition) when the music clearly repeats every 3 white ticks.. You did it much better all the other times this part comes up in the music so this one really sticks out and should be changed somehow. Try to making something similar to 02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ?
3. 03:11:136 (1) - Hmm this slider fits the music well however I think it harms playability. This map is supposed to be difficult to play however what I enjoy about it is that it generally has very simple patterns that are easy to understand, it doesn't throw around with weird spacing or rhythms etc. This slider is the only thing in the map that doesn't fit this rhythm simplicity because it starts on a red tick and is located in the middle of a 1/4-section. Getting into streams / 1/4-rhythms after red-tick-sliders is kind of hard and I recommend you to change the rhythm around here to something more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/nsgU7/739e8c7964.jpg (cursor position is where the slider originally started)
4. Actually, I love this diff, it's so much fun to play (well I just played it once because I just came back from work and my hand hurts a bit, but it's already fun to look at and move the cursor to the map in edit).. I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. Just the issues above are what still bothers me a bit.

1. 00:15:958 (3) - I'd recommend to move this slider 1/2 tick later so that it starts on the white tick. You can have a circle stack on 00:15:824 - instead then: http://puu.sh/nslSk/696525dad8.jpg I just don't really see a reason why that slider starts on the red tick right now, it would follow the beat and melody much better if you change it. Same applies for 03:57:744 (3) -
2. 01:15:556 (1,2,1,2) - That intense jump / antijump pattern caught me by surprise. It's much harder to play than it looks like because of the really fast movement required in between the combos. I think ctrl+g on 01:15:824 (1,2) - would help a lot to make this more intuitive.
3. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - I find these patterns underwhelming in this difficulty. It's not even so much that you are undermapping - in Freeze you had such a cool idea (repeating patterns to emphasize the repeated vocals) and here it's mapped just like the rest of the chorus. Same applies for the rest of this difficulty, when this music shows up again, except for 03:44:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - which is very well done. Note: This basically applies for Insane too.

Desperate-kun wrote:

[General]

1. I know from your mods that you are a fan of high AR, however I really think some of the ARs in this mapset are set too high. Mappers often think high BPM requires high AR but in reality your mapping style isn't hard to read at all with slightly lower AR, I would even say it reads better. What I suggest is the following:
   
   1. Extra could use AR9, only some simple jump and stream patterns here.
   2. Insane is what bothers me the most. AR9 for a map like this? AR8.5 is much better here if you ask me.
   3. Hard could also use AR7.5 or even AR7. Fixed them all (7.5 for hard) I hope it's still ok with the new patterns... I guess so :O

[Freeze]

1. 00:32:699 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Actually this section is very boring to play for this difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of undermapping and the rhythm is perfectly fine here it's just that this section requires almost no cursor movement due to slider leniency, and the movement it requires seems to come at the wrong times. These groups of objects 00:33:503 (3,1,2) - 00:34:574 (3,1,2) - etc. all play like a one-measure long stack and the only emphasis in this section is on those beats 00:33:503 - 00:34:574 - etc. What I would recommend is either having a jump before the big white ticks instead (which would mean stacking two circles under the slider and then have the jumps) or replacing the 1/2-sliders with circles somehow. Just try to create a more interesting cursor movement that emphasizes the music better. Ah, I get your point in a way that when I ask a top-player to play it, at this part I'm always a bit scared that he finds it boring and just quit it xD. On the other hand it really fits the idea I have of the music here. First of all, changing the 1/2 for some circles is no-go because I really want a faster rhythm from 00:41:270 (1) - . And then I tried your suggestion of stacking both notes under the reverse 00:33:235 (2,3) - but, to me at least, it feels that it gives less impact actually. 00:33:235 (2) - Stacked because it's really low, it's basically just the vocal right. 00:33:503 (3) - There's a pretty audible beat here so I use this opportunity to change position. And I insist on "changing position" to me it's almost like this beat was here for this reason lol. Instead of moving your cursor constantly, try to stay at the position of 00:33:235 (2) - and "jump" to that (3) at the last moment.. It's pretty much the flow I have in mind. After that, you don't move at all, in a way that it will give more impact to the movement (as little it is) on the 1/2 here 00:33:770 (1) - A bit hard to explain but... ye, hope you got me xD
2. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - So why does this pattern emphasize every second white tick (by repetition) when the music clearly repeats every 3 white ticks.. You did it much better all the other times this part comes up in the music so this one really sticks out and should be changed somehow. Try to making something similar to 02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ? Mhh, a bit sad to change the pattern but sounds fair enough. Fixed, I hope it's good enough though *-* Those patterns are kinda hard to create xD ! BUT Remapping the extra diff gave me an idea, so I also remapped this part 03:27:342 (1) - on freeze that I've always found a bit poor of flow.
3. 03:11:136 (1) - Hmm this slider fits the music well however I think it harms playability. This map is supposed to be difficult to play however what I enjoy about it is that it generally has very simple patterns that are easy to understand, it doesn't throw around with weird spacing or rhythms etc. This slider is the only thing in the map that doesn't fit this rhythm simplicity because it starts on a red tick and is located in the middle of a 1/4-section. Getting into streams / 1/4-rhythms after red-tick-sliders is kind of hard and I recommend you to change the rhythm around here to something more regular, like this: http://puu.sh/nsgU7/739e8c7964.jpg (cursor position is where the slider originally started) Really nice point *-* (maybe that's what monstrata wanted to say as well but didn't get it). Fixed it in another way, a bit. We'll see if that works too!
4. Actually, I love this diff, it's so much fun to play (well I just played it once because I just came back from work and my hand hurts a bit, but it's already fun to look at and move the cursor to the map in edit).. I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. Just the issues above are what still bothers me a bit.

[Extra]

1. 00:15:958 (3) - I'd recommend to move this slider 1/2 tick later so that it starts on the white tick. You can have a circle stack on 00:15:824 - instead then: http://puu.sh/nslSk/696525dad8.jpg I just don't really see a reason why that slider starts on the red tick right now, it would follow the beat and melody much better if you change it. Same applies for 03:57:744 (3) - Right, sounds fair, indeed: fixed both!
2. 01:15:556 (1,2,1,2) - That intense jump / antijump pattern caught me by surprise. It's much harder to play than it looks like because of the really fast movement required in between the combos. I think ctrl+g on 01:15:824 (1,2) - would help a lot to make this more intuitive. Kinda disagree here. First of all, it would flow really bad with the next slider, but that's not the main reason why I don't want to change it. I think that the flow as it is here represents a bit better the music. The way you're suggesting is a really circular movement, I don't think that's what the music calls for here. The music feels really "electrfied" and this pattern represents pretty well this I think. Also, the vocals seem to repeat the same tone/pitch each 1/2 ticks. So going twice from bottom to the top represents this as well (from this percpective you could tell me that I could have kept going on with this pattern and...yes I could have done it but it would be too hard imo xD)
3. 01:36:985 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - I find these patterns underwhelming in this difficulty. It's not even so much that you are undermapping - in Freeze you had such a cool idea (repeating patterns to emphasize the repeated vocals) and here it's mapped just like the rest of the chorus. Same applies for the rest of this difficulty, when this music shows up again, except for 03:44:485 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - which is very well done. Note: This basically applies for Insane too. Fixed, insane as well... Gotta recheck if everything's fine on insane ><

I found the other diffs fine as they are (except what was already mentioned in the mods of the other diffs). I have to agree with Monstrata though that Normal could use some 'real' 1/2 to improve the difficulty spread. I added a few "triple-like" I wonder if it's enough, I told you (should have told monstrata too ><) IRC why I didn't do it from the get-go, you told me it was ok if it gets hard icon, but rating is still going high pretty fast, added like 2 or 3 and it took 0.5 ... So yep, I hope it's enough ><

Alright so I explained many issues more in-depth than I normally would. The reason is that I see some miscommunication happening between the previous modders and you. They brought up some valid points that were important to them and you often replied very short and a bit meaningless (best example is Monstrata's concern about the difficulty spread). So to solve this problem I tried to give longer explanation but I expect the same from you when you reply and deny - to give proper reasoning for your denial.

Seeing how much effort you already put into this mapset, fixing up the spread issue and the other issues shouldn't be a problem for you. I am willing to bubble this mapset if the spread issue gets fixed and if you provide reasonable explanations for everything you denied from this mod. :3

Desperate-kun wrote:

02:35:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in Extra is missing hitsounds. Fix that and I'll blebub.

Enon wrote:

don't bully qualified mappers

Bearizm wrote:

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Yales wrote:

Bearizm wrote:

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Why do the color "gray" even exist? We have "white" after all.

Yales wrote:

You could have made those kind of research before coming grumbling here (and basically asking me to map another diff) on a set of 6 diffs, 4 minutes drain time that I fully mapped by myself... I'm totally willing to get feedback, it's even appreciated but at least put the form. Cause when you say "I hate to be that guy" ... actually you love it don't you?

Bearizm wrote:

Might as well not have a qualified section, right? Just rank every map that is given a heart! Also I'm not bullying or anything, I'm expressing what I think about the map, and how it can be better. How is that bullying?

I also forgot to mention what's the point of having 4 combo colors with is barely different? or am i color blind

Enon wrote:

heyy just joke D:

Sieg wrote:

a bit of offtopic D:

I'm here not to feedback but with another question. What you guys think, is this can be somewhat accurate gaps for this beatmap?

Natsu wrote:

Yales yes your mp3 can be from the same source, but hear the quality difference and the enconde difference

yours:

SPOILER

mine:

SPOILER

I'm not the best encoding audio, but someone maybe can get an even better one from nicovideo, unless you want to keep a really low quality one. I wouldn't talk too much about the spread, but I have same feeling as Beazrim and Sieg

Yales wrote:

For the spread... I just can't take it. Sorry. I mapped the whole thing just to rank "freeze" in a way that it, at least, follow the ranking criteria... If after that there's some unspoken rules... I'm just like "no"
... If you want to get an idea of the feel I have about this set. Try to drink 4L of millk at once... no fun

Bearizm wrote:

@Desp I've always thought spreads are supposed to be balanced throughout all the difficulties being made (?)

Desperate-kun wrote:

Bearizm wrote:

@Desp I've always thought spreads are supposed to be balanced throughout all the difficulties being made (?)

Then why do mapsets with 5 Extra difficulties get ranked? Things like E--N---------H-----I are bad because the Normal could clearly be harder to create a more polished spread (just an example) but the spread here is reasonably focused on the higher difficulty-tier.
If the spread rule change that was proposed and hugely dismissed by the community a few weeks ago got through, this would be an issue, but as it is right now, not really.

Smoothie World wrote:

00:32:699 - Does anyone else think the hitsounds hear are nearly impossible to hear? I have mine pretty loud and I had trouble hearing them I don't know, I can hear them just fine tbh.

00:04:708 (2,1) - Why is this 6.71x spacing? I don't get it. At 00:06:851 (2,1) you have 3.5x and 00:08:994 (2,1) is even smaller, meanwhile the song is getting more and more intense. Well, it's still the same flow so I don't think it plays bad. Well, I don't even "think" it plays bad. It does play good to me. Now if you want to know exactly why I did that. It's because the music before this part feels flat, like it doesn't get more intense. Until this part where the song does get more intense (it's like a new section in the same section if you want.. a new pattern basically.) This is why I want a jump to those sliders. Now about 00:08:994 (2,1) - this your own interpretation. To me it actually gets less intense to be finally cut by this sound 00:10:199 (1) - which is really intense for that matter.

00:12:811 - You don't have a triple on this tick anywhere else in the song. It's mapped to nothing. When you want to emphasize the music with a triple it's usually "overmapped". You could probably have point them all out by the way (and not only my map). About this one 00:12:744 (3,4,5) - it's obviously to recall 00:12:208 (6,7,1) - which follows the same sound. It's just a gimmick to create some game, pretty sad you didn't see it tbh Now, "why it's not always the same on similar parts" because if I think it's fun to play I don't think it's a good thing to overuse this technique (not for this map at least).

Shiirn wrote:

on Freeze:

02:25:199 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,1,2,1) - this stanza is in 1/3, not 1/4. Pretty sure it's debatable. I asked MUTLIPLE players (from average to expert) as well as modders/mappers and the majority told me it was fine and I should keep it (I still have some screenshots xD) For my part I feel that 1/4 is way more fitting, also you have no clue what you're hitting when it's put 1/3.


I'm sure there's more that can be worked out. Freeze is fairly good overall, but there are some, to me, major oversights that should be ironed out before qualification. You might actually want to detail a bit more. Like... that's your point of view, and I'm thankful for that. But to me it's fine and after 9 months spamming #modreq, 46 checks (not counting the hundreds of testplays) your remark feels like a stone in my face.

Bonsai wrote:

Also, minor but imo unfitting nonetheless, 02:16:628 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - the music is kinda going half-BPM but you just throw jumps around anyways, I don't think that represents the music very well

Yales wrote:

edit: I'll re-answer later actually maybe. Maybe not I'm sorry but when I read this:

Bonsai wrote:

Also, minor but imo unfitting nonetheless, 02:16:628 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - the music is kinda going half-BPM but you just throw jumps around anyways, I don't think that represents the music very well

I just don't know what to say... It fits perfectly to me. To me, this section is the highlight of the whole map... If you don't like it fine, but don't come here to ask a DQ because you dont "think it reprensents the music well" for this case you can map your own set. really. I think this is really inapropriate.

Bonsai wrote:

That was just one minor thing I noticed when looking at it, that's not what I'm getting worked up about / asking a DQ for, I just wanted to mention it D:

Yales wrote:

I think you just didn't get the whole idea of my mapping. And... before it pops up (I know this community now) don't even tell me "your point is just to overmapped" otherwise I would have incorporate this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/291154

Okoratu wrote:

Isn't that what Tengaku did? I'm pretty sure that's what Tengaku did lol

Shiirn wrote:

I can't believe that this even has the potential to be argued over. DQ, fix it, requalify. If the DQers refuse to recheck your map then they're doing their job wrong.

Bonsai wrote:

And I see absolutely no reason for 01:46:092 (3,3,3,2,1,2) - being 1/8s, there's not even a single 1/4 on any of them, and just mapping some random sounds with 1/8 just bc you feel like it is just ?!

Shiirn wrote:

For what it's worth, the only time I think using the wrong snapping in terms of 1/3 vs 1/4 is when the music has a 1/6 quad and it is mapped as a triple. That is the only case. Period.

Bonsai wrote:

And yeah, starting to tell us your reasons for all those sliders and overmaps instead of "I think it fits" would be a great way to start rational discussion too btw

Bonsai wrote:

How about you guys wait for the mapper's response before trying to put words in their mouth?

Bonsai wrote:

not saying your map is stupid, just saying that player's opinions don't mean anything) That's pretty good to mention, because when you say that my overmapping or w/e are "ridiculous" this is the message you're bringing.

I like how you're bringing "If you map could fit in other songs with the same BPM, then your map is bad" when you are literally overmapping tons of stuff just to make it exciting to play. Your triplets and streams would fit in any other song just as well simply because they aren't even existing in this song in the first place. Actually this map is way easier than what most mappers would make nowadays for a song like that, so saying I mapped this way to make it exciting is so-so.

"I even feel you checked the map without even listening to the music." Yeah right, that's why I'm pointing out overmaps. ok
I know what you want to represent with those sliders and other overmaps of all sorts, I just think that overmapping is a very bad way to do that. There are thousands of ways to emphasize everything you want without resorting to overmapping, and that's what I want to encourage, because it seems like you are just overmapping to make the map be exciting when that could be done in so many other ways. But what if it fits to me? I mean.. My favourite mappers tend to do that as well, I have more faith in them than 2 or 3 modders.

A 1/2-slider, maybe with one reverse, would be a hold note too, and would not ignore the fact that that 'low' instrument actually has a 1/2-beat inbetween which is being completely ignored this way. Why does it need to be 1/8 when there is no 1/8 in the music? I don't even want to asnwer that because this is way too subjective, the music is defenitely not flat 1/1 or 1/2. To me if you map like this you miss a chance to show the potential of those sounds my sliders are following

It doesn't seem like he's 'ovbiously' knowing that when all he says is "I asked players and they said 1/4 is fine". The question was already mentioned (on another stream actually) and from that I asked multiple people to be sure of myself. At the end Desperate-kun checked the streams and said: " I really like the 'overmapped' stream and the 1/8 gimmicks you used, they fit the song well for me, I wouldn't worry about those. " So no, your point of view isn't general.

(maybe because the rest didn't fit that well in the first place?!? deep thoughts ikr) Actually no, to me 1/4 fits great, and I really, sincerly doubt you found this part was 1/3 by looking the map at first sight and without deleting the whole stream put the audio at 25% speed etc... Like "it's so obvious it's 1/3.."

Your point of view is welcome. But I won't change my style because of it. As I said (or as I wanted to say lol) the feedbacks I got from some specific mappers have way more impact than some random modders (which are, don't get me wrong, interesting to hear, but won't necessarily make a difference).

Shiirn wrote:

Didn't Loctav say something about not using other maps as justification for other maps?

Liiraye wrote:

http://puu.sh/nExzW/f6ae693ecc.jpg
is how I'd map it

edit: actually this fits the synth better