when yotoacat think ot boreing :9(

Achromalia wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Even though I partially agree with you, if you come to OT and expect quality, you only have yourself to blame. I'm not saying this as a joke, I mean it. OT is the last place I come to for entertainment, if the quality is suddenly lacking or I'm not having as much fun, it's as simple as not interacting, or interacting half-assedly. It's really not much to ponder over. OT will be OT, and there will be periods of quality spikes, and decline.

I also do think OT is not doing too bad at the moment, we've got the Compliment showdown coming up (even though you personally deny the success of the thread, it's always worth a shot), we have the Tournament of Power, and a Talent Show.

However, I would like to throw an opinion out there, and it's going to be both a controversial and unreasonable one:

I'm all for ABOLISHING threads which update daily, such as the "I will change this title every-day" and TierLists thread. Despite those threads being very successful and somewhat fun threads, I feel like it's pulling in too much traffic. Especially the TierLists thread, which I believe will tire out eventually. I have nothing against the posters nor the concept, but I rarely like to interact with these threads myself, and I much prefer looking at new threads.

OT would be more 'fun' if we let these things die, or change the frequency of the thread updates. The posters of these threads have what it takes to produce quality, but having to manage a thread daily isn't really that great.

It forces someone to think of a thread title or idea every single day, as opposed to letting them use that creativity across multiple days to produce something worthwhile. It also just looks like another mediocre thread on the forum. Once again, I apologise if it hurts any feelings, but that's my true opinion on the matter.

Of course, that's only if I really cared about the Quality of OT to the extent that the people in this thread seem to. It's not something I think about, nor care about, that often.

If you'd like me to elaborate further, I can, but don't expect me to present you with too much facts and logic, it's mostly a personal opinion.

Also, you need personal threads here and there to offset all the good threads. Having such quality on so many threads will push our expectations too high.

this and op with ghoulybits are pretty reasonable perspectives, as much as i partially fail to share them.

in my experience, quality is bound to remain finnicky, and low and high quality threads will continue to have their merit in flux. i appreciate this arc, even though i also sense the absence of lore starting to sink in, and with other thread types forming their own precedent, it's hard to expect the effort usually seen in the early post-ot!pression era underneath the shitposting. we really had a fun narrative going on, with its own geopolitical intraforum context, and that's been lost in time.

that said, abolition won't solve this. historically, we've taken some approaches toward curbing undesirable types of thread expression and found that it came with limited positive effect, unless we tied it in with the lore at the time as a canonical infighting type of deal. expectation was another thing i seem to vaguely recall being discussed at the time too, where we were trying to figure out where to go with post quality and how far to take our effort lore and all.

we typically work best by nurturing and cultivating the things we're looking for. it's a little obvious, but it's particularly organic and freeing and allows for emergent properties just through giving the chance for change by building that precedent yourself.

all in all, can't really fault people much from my perspective. roleplay is ever-changing and its presence shifts with the nature and existing disposition of its forum-dwellers, and i think the mourning of that quality is in itself a faintly positive signal for its return should someone choose to engage in it

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Well, I can only agree with what you said, as I'm not too familiar with former times.

I'll clarify a bit with what I meant by expectations.
Aside from the fact that 'value is in the eye of the beholder', I do believe that too much 'quality' at a time, will bring people to quickly bore from such threads as well.
Even though I mentioned Tournaments as a positive in my original response, I do understand that they may also start getting boring for some people.

Eventually, the people of OT will expect something greater, or preferably, something different.
Quality depreciates over time.

The last time I made something unique with my fanfic thread, it really didn't go well. I just want to avoid that again.

actually kinda disagree, there is like 5 events going on right now really, but it's true that on a full page of new threads I only answer in like 5, but I think that's entirely fine, if scyla wants to peek schizo posting let them, everyone makes therads ased on their own personality, and we cant really force them to do otherwise, what you consider to be good may be considered bad by someone else, and I think everyone's opinion is equally as valid

we cannot really hold people to this standard of quality made by people that enjoy different stuff that them, I dont really think we have the authority to dictate stuff like that

Just wait until you start seeing threads that you enjoy, it will probably happen

I disagree, if you feel like that threads are trash then make a good one yourself. You cant expect someone to make a good thread just because you want quality. Thats stupid. If you want quality post then go in GD. Thats the place where you find Good topics to talk about and what do you think is a Quality thread which is suitable for Off-topic? You cant make shops everyday or padoru lore everyday. Even a lore get boring if stretched it out for long time.

Its same as, "OT! is dead". Which not gonna help

if u shitpost while this is on play at background, everything is high quality

Manishh wrote:

I disagree, if you feel like that threads are trash then make a good one yourself. You cant expect someone to make a good thread just because you want quality. Thats stupid. If you want quality post then go in GD. Thats the place where you find Good topics to talk about and what do you think is a Quality thread which is suitable for Off-topic? You cant make shops everyday or padoru lore everyday. Even a lore get boring if stretched it out for long time.

Its same as, "OT! is dead". Which not gonna help

GD is dead.

To be completely honest, if we go by the engagement here, this thread is of better quality than the other recent threads.

But that begs the old question from the Denizenship Drama:

What is Quality?

-Remi wrote:

Manishh wrote:

I disagree, if you feel like that threads are trash then make a good one yourself. You cant expect someone to make a good thread just because you want quality. Thats stupid. If you want quality post then go in GD. Thats the place where you find Good topics to talk about and what do you think is a Quality thread which is suitable for Off-topic? You cant make shops everyday or padoru lore everyday. Even a lore get boring if stretched it out for long time.

Its same as, "OT! is dead". Which not gonna help

GD is dead.

To be completely honest, if we go by the engagement here, this thread is of better quality than the other recent threads.

But that begs the old question from the Denizenship Drama:

What is Quality?

yeah thats the problem

Something can be quality for one and not for the other.
Like for me, there has been many good threads. For example, Padoru lore, Song festival, dPeace thread and many more

Telling someone to post in GD should be considered a felony

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

in my opinion.

Off-Topic = Dumb funny threads

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

all of my threads flop and I keep making them so

ghoulybits wrote:

Telling someone to post in GD should be considered a felony

I don't understand why it exists, actually.

Patatitta wrote:

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

all of my threads flop and I keep making them so

dude look at mine

floppy than flappy bird

Patatitta wrote:

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

all of my threads flop and I keep making them so

when the last time you made a thread?

Scyla wrote:

floppy than flappy bird

floppy penis

Kaaruumii wrote:

Scyla wrote:

floppy than flappy bird

floppy penis

you know what else is floppier? the cheeks

Manishh wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

all of my threads flop and I keep making them so

when the last time you made a thread?

two weeks ago I think? dI dont make them that often but I do make them from time to time

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

I'm not afraid because all of my threads go well

i like the current state of ot, newcomers have personality and are not following any meta imposed by old users

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

ayy its the annual "complain about tha state of ot" and i fucking back it this year around.

I was wondering where these kind of threads went.

As for me, eh, it's getting better than 2021 at least.

Stomiks wrote:

Scyla wrote:

srsly tho, are ppl afraid to make threads cause they fear their threads will flop?

I'm not afraid because all of my threads go well

This is the confidence we need

I'm okay with the current state of OT right now. You have hi effort threads and events such as the OT! got talent, the OT! map collab, or even the Tier List thread. For me it shows some quality in OT.

About the repetitive threads such as the ones with title changes every day, I think they should be keep as it avoid flooding mediocre and uninteresting threads by putting them all together into a single thread.

-Remi wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Telling someone to post in GD should be considered a felony

I don't understand why it exists, actually.

It was originally made for discussion that doesn't goes into any other subforum and unlike OT, discussions are supposed to be serious. In reality, GD is just dead, there's almost no serious discussion...

Kaaruumii wrote:

Scyla wrote:

floppy than flappy bird

floppy penis

Dude go to horny jail

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

About the repetitive threads such as the ones with title changes every day, I think they should be keep as it avoid flooding mediocre and uninteresting threads by putting them all together into a single thread.

But it fills a space with mediocrity anyway.
If it didn't exist, nobody would be motivated with making a thread with mediocre concepts such as:


Before you guys yell at me for writing a hit piece, I'll just clarify that I understand why these thread titles are so half assed. The whole concept of the thread is "Quick! Think of an Idea every single day!". I know they might enjoy keeping the thread up, but it doesn't change the following fact:

You wouldn't want to make a thread like this in the first place, if daily title change threads did not exist, these wouldn't even be on the site.

These threads could be great, but the frequency that a title change is required, devolves it to the point where one of the titles ends up being "this is a title change!!!".
Want proof that a longer frequency would benefit these threads? Look at Keremaru's take on it. Whether intentional or not, it's not as actively changed as these 2 are. The topics he brings up are detailed and usually somewhat interesting, and is slightly more meaningful to interact with.

It's not a crime to make a mediocre thread, alot of my threads are mediocre, but having a large thread filled with them doesn't solve any issues. If it did, this thread complaining about OT's state wouldn't exist.

not every ot thread will please everyone, I personally enjoy the title changing threads, if there are still threads that you enjoy, just post in those and not the ones you dislike, I believe that is the best mindset to have

I enjoy all threads

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

I'm okay with the current state of OT right now. You have hi effort threads and events such as the OT! got talent, the OT! map collab, or even the Tier List thread. For me it shows some quality in OT.

About the repetitive threads such as the ones with title changes every day, I think they should be keep as it avoid flooding mediocre and uninteresting threads by putting them all together into a single thread.

This is probably the first time I agree with goat man here, there's at least 1 event going on at each times since october or something and interactive threads that lead to actual discussion like OTierLists.
As for title changing threads it was fine when there was one, I don't really understand why people created more.

Also trends are what makes OT alive in a way, they're usually contained in a small period of time during which people just follow the trend. Some are just a one time thing that you can look back at and say "I was here" while others come back like a holiday or something.

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

-Remi wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

About the repetitive threads such as the ones with title changes every day, I think they should be keep as it avoid flooding mediocre and uninteresting threads by putting them all together into a single thread.

But it fills a space with mediocrity anyway.
If it didn't exist, nobody would be motivated with making a thread with mediocre concepts such as:

It's January 2nd
Sowwy
Awooooooooooooooo
Stop posting about Among Us
Sebastian says hello
(Taken from Sebastians Title Change Thread)

IF YOU DONT REPLY TO THIS THREAD A SPOOKY SKELETON WILL EAT YOUR CORPSE
This is a safe space for all LGBTQ+ people
I'mma go take a shower, be back in a bit
Apples are good
guys what is the world cup
this is a title change
the grand edict: rules of Off-Topic (read before posting)
(Taken from dPeace's title change thread)

Before you guys yell at me for writing a hit piece, I'll just clarify that I understand why these thread titles are so half assed. The whole concept of the thread is "Quick! Think of an Idea every single day!". I know they might enjoy keeping the thread up, but it doesn't change the following fact:

You wouldn't want to make a thread like this in the first place, if daily title change threads did not exist, these wouldn't even be on the site.

These threads could be great, but the frequency that a title change is required, devolves it to the point where one of the titles ends up being "this is a title change!!!".
Want proof that a longer frequency would benefit these threads? Look at Keremaru's take on it. Whether intentional or not, it's not as actively changed as these 2 are. The topics he brings up are detailed and usually somewhat interesting, and is slightly more meaningful to interact with.

It's not a crime to make a mediocre thread, alot of my threads are mediocre, but having a large thread filled with them doesn't solve any issues. If it did, this thread complaining about OT's state wouldn't exist.

A note to dPeace and Sebastian

I'm not against your threads, nor am I against you. If what I've said offends you in anyway, then I truly apologise. I still think you both are creative people, and I still respect the both of you on this platform.

I agree that some titles are shit but just like patatitta said if you don't like it don't reply to it.
If the daily title isn't interesting you can simply ignore it and wait for the next title.
Also the fact that they are ephemeral is what allows them to have semi-interesting titles that wouldn't make a good long lived thread. They can be a short lived thing and it's fine because the title is gonna change the next day.

Patatitta wrote:

not every ot thread will please everyone, I personally enjoy the title changing threads, if there are still threads that you enjoy, just post in those and not the ones you dislike, I believe that is the best mindset to have

Totally agree, that applies to necros too, if you don't like it don't reply saying "I don't like it". You're just feeding the troll.

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

Not just new people tbh, I was less active for like a week when it started and was completely lost with all the stuff going on so I just gave up trying to participate in it.
When I came back after more inactivity it had devolved into a whole series of events historians couldn't decipher.
For new people it probably just looks like actual drama or a sect of weirdos.

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

oooooo do it do it do it

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

Would be fun to see, it may bring some new people here and might even get some OT dwellers to go to GD and revive it somehow

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

dude just hearing "geometry dash" made me grow the biggest smile i've ever smiled, please do it i beg you

sametdze wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

dude just hearing "geometry dash" made me grow the biggest smile i've ever smiled, please do it i beg you

im gonna slap my nuts

Did the thread

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

I can relate to this, I originally got into OT for the shitposting aspect, just having fun in the super low effort threads and forum games. I came in kinda in the middle of the 4th padoru war, and wasn't able to interact with it properly for a very long time because it was so overwhelming, and it felt too established. The tournaments were also pretty hard to get into, for a lot of them the social barrier felt very high as a person that didn't know anyone else.

Best case scenario would be to have a huge variety of threads all the time to cater to everyone, but as OT is fairly small and largely operates as a collective with people cycling in and out, this isn't really that possible as trends that dominate OT come and go. I think the best thing we can do is to continually try to create interesting and creative threads so that OT doesn't become stale and continues to evolve, and through seeing which threads flop and which threads succeed as well as the discussion around them (like this thread), we can keep attempting to improve this subforum.

yoony1 wrote:

I can relate to this, I originally got into OT for the shitposting aspect, just having fun in the super low effort threads and forum games. I came in kinda in the middle of the 4th padoru war, and wasn't able to interact with it properly for a very long time because it was so overwhelming, and it felt too established. The tournaments were also pretty hard to get into, for a lot of them the social barrier felt very high as a person that didn't know anyone else.

are you me

Kaaruumii wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

I can relate to this, I originally got into OT for the shitposting aspect, just having fun in the super low effort threads and forum games. I came in kinda in the middle of the 4th padoru war, and wasn't able to interact with it properly for a very long time because it was so overwhelming, and it felt too established. The tournaments were also pretty hard to get into, for a lot of them the social barrier felt very high as a person that didn't know anyone else.

are you me

yes I am one of your identities from your dissociative identity disorder you don't know about

yoony1 wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

I can relate to this, I originally got into OT for the shitposting aspect, just having fun in the super low effort threads and forum games. I came in kinda in the middle of the 4th padoru war, and wasn't able to interact with it properly for a very long time because it was so overwhelming, and it felt too established. The tournaments were also pretty hard to get into, for a lot of them the social barrier felt very high as a person that didn't know anyone else.

are you me

yes I am one of your identities from your dissociative identity disorder you don't know about

fuk

sametdze wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

dude just hearing "geometry dash" made me grow the biggest smile i've ever smiled, please do it i beg you

On these forums, GD is General Discussion, I'm afraid.

I have grown too old to complain

Manishh just be straight up YELLING. Wonder who got the worst impression in the first couple of months huh.

Oh and the events. Yes they are all there, all being someone’s effort, but they die out way too fast. Anything not on the first page can be considered dead. Events that require the participants’ time and effort usually don’t go anywhere.

Non-sensical does not equal garbage. We can be daydreaming about all sorts of stuff, and not think about what piles of trash to dig into.

We’ve said this place is like a dumpster fire, but I think that’s slowly becoming reality.

-Remi wrote:

sametdze wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lore and RP doesn't seem as important to newer dwellers as it is to boomers older denizens but it's fine by me. It can be fun but having it all over OT would suffocate non-lore threads and make it harder for new people to fit in.

In a sense I agree with this, periods where a lot of things happen, whether it's lore or drama, is the period where no new posters are capable of breaking in to OT.

shout out to all the lurkers out there pls join us and post pls ily

That gave me a great idea. How about I'll make a GD thread about OT and inquire the regular osu user's opinions on it?

dude just hearing "geometry dash" made me grow the biggest smile i've ever smiled, please do it i beg you

On these forums, GD is General Discussion, I'm afraid.

i haven't used osu in like 24 years just give me a break man

YyottaCat wrote:

We’ve said this place is like a dumpster fire, but I think that’s slowly becoming reality.

Isn't it always a dumpster fire?

So you want events that require little to no effort for the participants?
That would just be the "boring interactive threads that go nowhere" some talked about.

Actual conversations end up like this thread, full of walls of text most people don't want to read anyway, especially newer people who don't know anyone and don't know what OT is about.
When you go on a new forum you don't really want to spend hours reading walls of text, you want to participate in something.
I'm not saying these threads shouldn't exist but if they ever became the norm the forum would quickly die as it would prevent people who don't have too much time and newcomers to participate.

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

I shitpost
I have nothing to gain from putting much effort
Thats why I was called
Scy "shititytyty too" la

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

genuinely pretty pleased to see that this extent of newer denizens are genuinely enjoying the experience here for whatever that's worth, and with the understanding that OT often naturally reflects its denizen culture to some extent, it's giving the sense that it's the way it is in large part because new denizens might be getting some representation in what we get here.

not that it's unanimous or anything, it's clear we've got different ideas of where to take this. but it's remarkably stable in my opinion even with the old-as-time critique of conventionally low-quality threads, where drama mostly revolves around users who already have an established "role" to play as the troublemaker or the leash in the social dynamic, from what i think i'm seeing.

to return to the point, i'm also interested in hearing this out, although only superficially for the moment. i don't really mind the critique and actually would probably welcome it, but i just can't really see much to critique that seems particularly urgent or unique to the dynamic we have in OT, where this scenario is in constant pendulum-like flux between generations.

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

yyottacat is clearly bored so she started up a drama thread to let it all out on us so she wouldnt be bored anymore ez pz

Achromalia wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

genuinely pretty pleased to see that this extent of newer denizens are genuinely enjoying the experience here for whatever that's worth, and with the understanding that OT often naturally reflects its denizen culture to some extent, it's giving the sense that it's the way it is in large part because new denizens might be getting some representation in what we get here.

not that it's unanimous or anything, it's clear we've got different ideas of where to take this. but it's remarkably stable in my opinion even with the old-as-time critique of conventionally low-quality threads, where drama mostly revolves around users who already have an established "role" to play as the troublemaker or the leash in the social dynamic, from what i think i'm seeing.

to return to the point, i'm also interested in hearing this out, although only superficially for the moment. i don't really mind the critique and actually would probably welcome it, but i just can't really see much to critique that seems particularly urgent or unique to the dynamic we have in OT, where this scenario is in constant pendulum-like flux between generations.

I wish my writing skills were that good

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

yoony1 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

im gonna give you half of my shitposting braincells

Scyla wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

im gonna give you half of my shitposting braincells

are u ok with half a brain left

yoony1 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

im gonna give you half of my shitposting braincells

are u ok with half a brain left

Scyla has a full working brain?

yoony1 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

im gonna give you half of my shitposting braincells

are u ok with half a brain left

i just sleep for a few days and it regenerates

Stomiks wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

It's the usual "OT bad" thread from an old denizen who liked it better when they were more active.

OT changes, it's been constantly evolving since it was created but as always when something changes some people are not happy about it.

Can't wait for when I go boomer mode and make this exact thread in 2 years time

I really do like these types of threads though even if the discussion isn't particularly centred or focussed. They give people a chance to think critically and share their opinions, which doesn't happen often in OT under the pile of shitposting and interactive threads, as well as the weird social hierarchy which might prevent newer people from speaking out.

Just not too often and not drama filled because it'd get annoying, I like shitposting more.

im gonna give you half of my shitposting braincells

are u ok with half a brain left

Scyla has a full working brain?

i have 9 brains

Kaaruumii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

yyottacat is clearly bored so she started up a drama thread to let it all out on us so she wouldnt be bored anymore ez pz

I feel like that's not a great accusation to make.

Yyotta is not that type of person, and the thread itself is something I agree with.
The objective of the thread was to get people to reflect and share their opinions, don't be so quick to paint anyone here as a villain.

Scyla wrote:

i have 9 brains

*9 braincells

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

i have 9 brains

*9 braincells

i give yoony 4.5

What I’m seeing here:

1. Some people suggest that the current environment is stable and fine.

2. Some people suggest the introduction of some lore.

YyottaCat wrote:

What I’m seeing here:

1. Some people suggest that the current environment is stable and fine.

2. Some people suggest the introduction of some lore.

Why not both?

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh just be straight up YELLING. Wonder who got the worst impression in the first couple of months huh.

ho ho we are going there I see.

I may have 'worst' impression in OT! but in what manner? being a retarded? At least I dont have impression of being a bully lmao. Still if i ask my friends to post something or join in something in OT!, they still say its a toxic place.


Which is still sad to see since Off-topic is never been toxic enough to be called toxic but i still have seen toxicity while you try to be part of OT!(in my time)

drama?

There is no such thing as a perfect community especially one that’s centered around imperfect topics. Meta change and people change, an era can only last so long. If you like the current flow, just do what you’re doing but if you don’t, start making changes yourself.

I’m not criticizing Yyotta for making this thread as I to listen to other’s opinion on this subject. Hell I even made one myself a few months back.

-Remi wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

honestly I dont know what's the objective of this thread really, what would be the best case scenario for you?, because i'm currently a bit lost on what we're trying to argue for

yyottacat is clearly bored so she started up a drama thread to let it all out on us so she wouldnt be bored anymore ez pz

I feel like that's not a great accusation to make.

Yyotta is not that type of person, and the thread itself is something I agree with.
The objective of the thread was to get people to reflect and share their opinions, don't be so quick to paint anyone here as a villain.

ik shes right about some of this stuff i was just joking lol but this is just an online forum so i dont really think this is that serious

Manishh wrote:

Still if i ask my friends to post something or join in something in OT!, they still say its a toxic place.

Imagine thinking OT is toxic lmao.
And as for the retarded part...

imo ot is the furthest forum from being toxic other than maybe art
its just funni lol

ot can be toxic, from time to time. but it's not really the main background of the subforum in my experience, not in recent eras.

however we do get some wack moments with a couple users who probably know who they are by now.

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

some of the drama is manufactured, of course, so it's not necessarily that serious but it can seem that way from outside

Achromalia wrote:

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

What's the iconic manishh moment? I saw alot of his punishments in the tier list thread had something to do with women.

yoony1 wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

What's the iconic manishh moment? I saw alot of his punishments in the tier list thread had something to do with women.

theres a monkey in my closet

help

I love reading these multiple paragraph, well written blocks of text.

Kaaruumii wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

What's the iconic manishh moment? I saw alot of his punishments in the tier list thread had something to do with women.

theres a monkey in my closet

help

manishh routinely posts like women are the antithesis to his existence, and honestly i'm not good with discerning tone so i can't tell if it's a joke or if he genuinely just doesn't understand how to treat women reasonably

but that aside manishh usually isn't much of a dick outside of that, so it was really more of an example to use for why it might've seemed toxic, assuming that he shared OT's responses at times like that. genuinely pretty chill person overall once that first impression period died down.

Achromalia wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

What's the iconic manishh moment? I saw alot of his punishments in the tier list thread had something to do with women.

theres a monkey in my closet

help

manishh routinely posts like women are the antithesis to his existence, and honestly i'm not good with discerning tone so i can't tell if it's a joke or if he genuinely just doesn't understand how to treat women reasonably

but that aside manishh usually isn't much of a dick outside of that, so it was really more of an example to use for why it might've seemed toxic, assuming that he shared OT's responses at times like that. genuinely pretty chill person overall once that first impression period died down.

omg achromalia, you seem so reasonable

YyottaCat wrote:

Clickbait titles let’s go!

Seriously though, none of the new threads are tempting enough for me to click on. Everything people talk about is boring trash, no events, no nothing. There’s a thread for every single little detail in every single day of life, yet we seldom get topics worth conversations.

should i do some stupid shit again?

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh just be straight up YELLING. Wonder who got the worst impression in the first couple of months huh.

ho ho we are going there I see.

I may have 'worst' impression in OT! but in what manner? being a retarded? At least I dont have impression of being a bully lmao. Still if i ask my friends to post something or join in something in OT!, they still say its a toxic place.


Which is still sad to see since Off-topic is never been toxic enough to be called toxic but i still have seen toxicity while you try to be part of OT!(in my time)

imo manish isn't the person to have given me the first worst impression but loserotaku (manish is pretty high up there)

recency bias may apply though

z0z wrote:

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh just be straight up YELLING. Wonder who got the worst impression in the first couple of months huh.

ho ho we are going there I see.

I may have 'worst' impression in OT! but in what manner? being a retarded? At least I dont have impression of being a bully lmao. Still if i ask my friends to post something or join in something in OT!, they still say its a toxic place.


Which is still sad to see since Off-topic is never been toxic enough to be called toxic but i still have seen toxicity while you try to be part of OT!(in my time)

imo manish isn't the person to have given me the first worst impression but loserotaku (manish is pretty high up there)

recency bias may apply though

yes loserotaku takes the W again. fuck you manish

Loserotaku wrote:

z0z wrote:

imo manish isn't the person to have given me the first worst impression but loserotaku (manish is pretty high up there)

recency bias may apply though

yes loserotaku takes the W again. fuck you manish

please grow and change as a person

Achromalia wrote:

Loserotaku wrote:

z0z wrote:

imo manish isn't the person to have given me the first worst impression but loserotaku (manish is pretty high up there)

recency bias may apply though

yes loserotaku takes the W again. fuck you manish

please grow and change as a person

same energy as "all attention is good attention" or something like that

how he's acting doesn't help opinions either

Achromalia wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

yoony1 wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

also dunno if i'm alone in this or not but ironic misogyny just isn't thaaat funny anymore imo, so dogging on the iconic manishh moment is now seeming like a fun forum hobby

What's the iconic manishh moment? I saw alot of his punishments in the tier list thread had something to do with women.

theres a monkey in my closet

help

manishh routinely posts like women are the antithesis to his existence, and honestly i'm not good with discerning tone so i can't tell if it's a joke or if he genuinely just doesn't understand how to treat women reasonably

but that aside manishh usually isn't much of a dick outside of that, so it was really more of an example to use for why it might've seemed toxic, assuming that he shared OT's responses at times like that. genuinely pretty chill person overall once that first impression period died down.

Women get treated?



So the story about the ss is that when I joined OT!, where I didn't have any persona and didn't participated in any lore. At that time the toxicity was there in OT!GN discord server toward me and then it came to the discord server I had. So from that definitely my friends gonna think it as a toxic place.

Oh yeah I remember Cleveland and Tad raided manishh’s server or smth

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

what happened

Kaaruumii wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

what happened

I won't go into too much detail. Roboboy013 was someone who I would call an online friend. She always talked about how she had cancer and how awful it made her life. She went into detail about all the misery she went through, and it made me depressed. Then one day, she admitted that she lied about having cancer. I have never forgiven her for that since.

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

what happened

I won't go into too much detail. Roboboy013 was someone who I would call an online friend. She always talked about how she had cancer and how awful it made her life. She went into detail about all the misery she went through, and it made me depressed. Then one day, she admitted that she lied about having cancer. I have never forgiven her for that since.

hmm. understandable, though closing yourself off entirely from online friendship isn't healthy either.

i've had a similar experience to some extent, i've grown up with the internet at a formative age where i'd ultimately encounter momentary/transitory friends who would suicide-bait me for sympathy. i genuinely believed them, and they took advantage of my energy and my intent to support them. i've always had a kind of underlying rescuer-complex, and i'd repeatedly fall into that for a number of people, defending them and rationalizing their behavior if they're being singled out or rejected by society, even when they were repeatedly shitty people. i've had to learn how to cut people off since then.

from that kind of childhood, it's particularly common to shut down and want to protect yourself. it's a significant kind of weight to carry when you've become that invested and involved in a person's life. but you are not required to be their therapist, and it is not your responsibility to take for things you didn't do.

as scary as it can be, it's okay to continue trying to connect with people. there will be someone sincere and genuine in their compassion for you and respect for you. i eventually grew with the help of people who heard me out even if they couldn't really solve my issues, because that isn't their responsibility either. but they did help me digest my experience through each mutual exchange of vulnerability. eventually i found friendship without fixating on my baggage.

i still often handle people's pain for them, but i'd like to think i'm just a little smarter about it. there are friends who suffer that i continually aim to shelter, and knowing where to establish your boundaries is a very important part of cultivating that ability. it's a skill that often is still possible to learn and develop with experience whenever this scenario appears. you might just find that you won't have to use it after all.

ShinRun wrote:

Oh yeah I remember Cleveland and Tad raided manishh’s server or smth

ot lore peaked here. it has been a constant downhill after that.

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

i'm friends only with a few people on here

everyone else is either a stranger or acquaintance

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

Honestly, not having online friends isn't a bad thing.
With the right lack of discipline, online friendships turn into online obsessions or relationships, which are cringe.
That's only with some people though (Valorant Players)

I have online friends, but I wouldn't care about them like I care about a real friend, and I'm fortunate to be surrounded by friends I look up to, in the real world.

z0z wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

i'm friends only with a few people on here

everyone else is either a stranger or acquaintance

but we are best friends, right z0z.
smooooch~<3

-Remi wrote:

z0z wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

i'm friends only with a few people on here

everyone else is either a stranger or acquaintance

but we are best friends, right z0z.
smooooch~<3

you are an acquaintance

-Remi wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

Honestly, not having online friends isn't a bad thing.
With the right lack of discipline, online friendships turn into online obsessions or relationships, which are cringe.
That's only with some people though (Valorant Players)

I have online friends, but I wouldn't care about them like I care about a real friend, and I'm fortunate to be surrounded by friends I look up to, in the real world.

mmyeah this is a fair point too, i forgot that the real world exists and that people are very capable of prioritizing tangible friendships over digital friendships... so your approach with vulnerability and investment in friendships will probably vary from what someone like me might make of it.

digital application of socialization is pretty much my only world of communication, so take that suggestion with this in mind, i'm pretty immersed in the internet over anything else and will probably dissociate and hold a grossly out-of-focus pov irl. i value digital friends equally highly, and i'm extremely preferential to digital communication because i operate best that way out of convenience of access and communication, as well as my capacity to integrate more sensibly because i only have to think for a moment and type, instead of immediately processing and expressing/emoting my feelings/thoughts, and using my body and voice to communicate (which can be very draining).

...oversharing for context aside, i trust you'll manage that some way or another.

IRL friendship > online friendship

Achromalia wrote:

-Remi wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Sometimes, I wonder how you all are friends.

I'm not friends with anyone here. I don't like making online friends after what happened with me and Roboboy013.

Honestly, not having online friends isn't a bad thing.
With the right lack of discipline, online friendships turn into online obsessions or relationships, which are cringe.
That's only with some people though (Valorant Players)

I have online friends, but I wouldn't care about them like I care about a real friend, and I'm fortunate to be surrounded by friends I look up to, in the real world.

mmyeah this is a fair point too, i forgot that the real world exists and that people are very capable of prioritizing tangible friendships over digital friendships... so your approach with vulnerability and investment in friendships will probably vary from what someone like me might make of it.

digital application of socialization is pretty much my only world of communication, so take that suggestion with this in mind, i'm pretty immersed in the internet over anything else and will probably dissociate and hold a grossly out-of-focus pov irl. i value digital friends equally highly, and i'm extremely preferential to digital communication because i operate best that way out of convenience of access and communication, as well as my capacity to integrate more sensibly because i only have to think for a moment and type, instead of immediately processing and expressing/emoting my feelings/thoughts, and using my body and voice to communicate (which can be very draining).

...oversharing for context aside, i trust you'll manage that some way or another.

Though I still prefer IRL friends, I understand what you mean.

Despite having many friends, I have an issue with stuttering and thinking of sentences cohesively. In the online world, it's not as big of an issue, as I can think harder, and edit my words. Online, the only thing that displays is your personality, and it's harder to be judged, as people don't get to look at you. This is why I think it's easier to make and maintain friends in the digital realm.
But I've come to learn that in order to become more confident in real life, and quickly prove wrong the people who judge me based on appearance, I have to get my priorities straight. I should spend and prioritise my 'skills' in the real world, and maintain what relationships I have. Online friends can only take you so far, usually, they turnover faster than real friends do.

Of course, this is coming from the perspective of a 16 year old. I recall having a discussion on this exact forum about the topic of friends, and I've been told by Abraker and many others, that you lose a lot of friends after University, as you all go your own ways in life. With this, I understand why an adult would put more value onto online friends.

Patatitta wrote:

IRL friendship > online friendship

true. i have more irl friends than online

I can't relate at all to most of my former irl friends

roufou wrote:

I can't relate at all to most of my former irl friends

You have some new ones tho, yh

-Remi wrote:

roufou wrote:

I can't relate at all to most of my former irl friends

You have some new ones tho, yh

debatable, I only really meet one person around my age irl.
I guess it comes down to what you would count as a friend.

roufou wrote:

-Remi wrote:

roufou wrote:

I can't relate at all to most of my former irl friends

You have some new ones tho, yh

debatable, I only really meet one person around my age irl.
I guess it comes down to what you would count as a friend.

If you're comfortable, then it's fine to have one friend
But recently I've been okay with making friends older than I am