Bobbias wrote:

One of the real flaws in the system is that it only uses your top scores in calculations. This incentivizes those players who are willing to sit there and spam a song until they get that fluke personal best. But at least that takes much more effort than just spamming out a bunch of low PP scores (which would happen if the weighting were removed with no other changes).

kidlat020 wrote:

its not like there will be a 3% difference between the spam in a single day. And like it or not, spamming is practicing.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

kidlat020 wrote:

its not like there will be a 3% difference between the spam in a single day. And like it or not, spamming is practicing.

I sometimes get even 5% diffrence IN A SINGLE DAY, without any weird stuff going on. Also spamming is training, but it only trains your speed and you lose a lot of you accuracy in the process. I know that because I've experienced it myself (having lower 300g/300 ratios than 5 months ago on Utakata for example)

I've had random runs where I get like 5% better acc later the same day too.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

I don't get'cha, most of my top pp scores are pure luck with spamming and I can't get remotely close to beating them (with exception of Utakata, but I've played it like 100 times)

I've had scores that took 9 months before I could beat them because of that.

Tidek wrote:

I can beat every my old spam/not spam score (around 3months) every try, learn to play instead of spam lol.

Tidek wrote:

I can beat every my old spam/not spam score (around 3months) every try, learn to play instead of spam lol.

kidlat020 wrote:

it doesn't disprove anything either. because, records say that you've improved even though you yourself don't feel it is so.

"I've run 100m in 11 seconds once, but now I'm running it in 15 seconds. Still, I'm an olympic class runner."

Tristan97 wrote:

^ Is that a bug?

If so, please remove it as quickly as possible or better yet just make auto-converts unrankable

If not, then there needs each difficulty of each converted beatmap needs to be treated as a separate entity depending on key-mod, which would be difficult to implent so just unrank the auto-converts please.

Tristan97 wrote:

I get that, it's just that if Pipe Dream's 7k 4.21 difficulty should be treated as a separate map from the 8k 6.xx star difficulty. None of this 'you'll get however many pp the score you just got multiplied by 0.90 would have been worth on the 7k chart' for somebody that manages the scratches amazingly and gets an S on the 8k map.

(If they are going to worth pp)

-Kamikaze- wrote:

They are autoconverts, they shouldn't give ANY pp
/thread

Tristan97 wrote:

Thanks for bothering to respond Tom94. So does that mean that ET players can have both the Identity Part 4 non-mod 7k map and the Identity Part 4 modded 8k map show in their top ranks, each earning separate pp?

Or is it just the maximum pp earned from the highest pp awarding play on a map, modded or not?

Blocko wrote:

What about DT plays? Would they be separate plays as well?

Bobbias wrote:

I'd say DT deserves to be separate more than xk mods on autoconverts.

Tidek wrote:

What about HR?

Staiain wrote:

So this means the return of DT + pp then ?

Blocko wrote:

What about DT plays? Would they be separate plays as well?

Tristan97 wrote:

Does this imply that things like country ranking and global ranking are going to decrease in relevancy due to the fact that some players will only play maps on dt, making the score they receive not reflective of the no-mod score? Could this be solved by changing the ranking system to going by pp earned (or creating an entirely new ranking for supporters or similar)?

JimJoy wrote:

but isnt pp calculated only for passes with highest score?

Tom94 wrote:

Just to clarify: Scores with different mods would all get stored, but only your most giving pp score of these would count towards your total pp.

Tom94 wrote:

Just to clarify: Scores with different mods would all get stored, but only your most giving pp score of these would count towards your total pp.

Keymods are the only ones with which you will possibly be able to get pp multiple times from the same map.

Staiain wrote:

sorry for almost double posting but, will the PP gain scale with the star diffuculty, like if a map is 6* on DT, will it give the same amount as a 6* map nomod?

-Kamikaze- wrote:

@Halogen
This will basically mean that if you have that 1000xMAX 20x300 score on leaderboards and let's say it gives 150pp, and then you'll score 950xMAX 70x300 score with DT that would give 200 pp, the first score is counted towards your positions on map ranking (since it has higher score) and second one is counted towards your pp (since it gives more)
Hope that explains it D:

SolidGuy wrote:

Not sure if this has already been explained but here goes:
So i download a ranked beatmap and first play ever get 57pp weighted at 24%, it says i should get 14pp, which is fair enough. I look and i only have 1pp added to my total, regardless of how long i wait for it to update. Can someone explain why this is?

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

PLZ INCLUDE RANDOM MODE RANK SCORE TOO

Tristan97 wrote:

So I know this may have already been discussed to an extent, but if the different keymodes are suppossed to be treated as different modes, then why are there not separate rankings for each keymode? That would help solve a lot of discrepancies with rankings and such.

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

PLZ INCLUDE RANDOM MODE RANK SCORE TOO

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?

_Sylveon_ wrote:

Posting this because this bug is not fixed. Yesterday I asked morisan7 to try Pipe Dream on 8K because it has a 6.22 star rating and offers approximately 400p with an A rank. I've compared his score to other people who has similar scores, and I noticed that some changes have been implemented to the pp system.

morisan7's score - 90.95% (194pp)


someone's score - 90.83% (399pp)


It seems like people who have tried this song recently do not get the same pp as the ones before. Please look into this problem, thank you.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Good thing you've brought that up. In standard you guys have disabled pp from tag maps because of "pp abuse", basically one touchscreen player getting 555pp from one of the maps. So why do we still have autoconverts when you can get 350pp from some of them, and you get shit like pipe dream that gets 200pp for ss nomod and 650pp for s on 8k? That's clearly more abusing than one 555pp play, isn't it? And we do we HAVE to play autoconverts to be able to fight for top ranks? That's nonsense.

Tom94 wrote:

Now lastly, why did all tag maps lose their pp rather than only the 2 problematic ones? The answer is being consistent. tag maps were never meant to be played by a single player and would have never passed the ranking rules - even back then - when being considered as single-player maps. This simply was a good opportunity to remove them from ranked play altogether. Scoreboards have been kept to let people keep the amazing scores they put tons of effort into and to keep the niche competition that obviously many enjoy.

Redon wrote:

From the standard pp discussion thread

Tom94 wrote:

Now lastly, why did all tag maps lose their pp rather than only the 2 problematic ones? The answer is being consistent. tag maps were never meant to be played by a single player and would have never passed the ranking rules - even back then - when being considered as single-player maps. This simply was a good opportunity to remove them from ranked play altogether. Scoreboards have been kept to let people keep the amazing scores they put tons of effort into and to keep the niche competition that obviously many enjoy.

Now that we're past the "everything that has a scoreboard must give pp" philosophy, can we talk about removing pp from autoconverts? They are awful, would never have passed the ranking rules as a mania map, they bring nothing but pp calculation issues both in mania and taiko, and players, especially newcomers, should not be encouraged to play them instead of actual mania maps.

Redon wrote:

From the standard pp discussion thread

Tom94 wrote:

Now lastly, why did all tag maps lose their pp rather than only the 2 problematic ones? The answer is being consistent. tag maps were never meant to be played by a single player and would have never passed the ranking rules - even back then - when being considered as single-player maps. This simply was a good opportunity to remove them from ranked play altogether. Scoreboards have been kept to let people keep the amazing scores they put tons of effort into and to keep the niche competition that obviously many enjoy.

Now that we're past the "everything that has a scoreboard must give pp" philosophy, can we talk about removing pp from autoconverts? They are awful, would never have passed the ranking rules as a mania map, they bring nothing but pp calculation issues both in mania and taiko, and players, especially newcomers, should not be encouraged to play them instead of actual mania maps.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

You still need to play autoconverts in order to be top 10, even if your nickname is jhlee0133 or abcdullah
and that's WRONG

Redon wrote:

From the standard pp discussion thread

Tom94 wrote:

Now lastly, why did all tag maps lose their pp rather than only the 2 problematic ones? The answer is being consistent. tag maps were never meant to be played by a single player and would have never passed the ranking rules - even back then - when being considered as single-player maps. This simply was a good opportunity to remove them from ranked play altogether. Scoreboards have been kept to let people keep the amazing scores they put tons of effort into and to keep the niche competition that obviously many enjoy.

Now that we're past the "everything that has a scoreboard must give pp" philosophy, can we talk about removing pp from autoconverts? They are awful, would never have passed the ranking rules as a mania map, they bring nothing but pp calculation issues both in mania and taiko, and players, especially newcomers, should not be encouraged to play them instead of actual mania maps.

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

and remember top rankers are don't like to play them too xd

-Kamikaze- wrote:

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

and remember top rankers are don't like to play them too xd

This is exactly what I mean. Also even most horrible mania mapset is still better than best autoconvert, just because someone put his effort in it. Saying that autoconvert is better than even worst mapper's creation is demotivating imo. Something along "why would I even want to try mapping when osu can generate something that pepole will like more than my maps". We shouldn't be saying that.

PouletFurtif wrote:

+There is no evidence when scores/replays were co-op'd..

Staiain wrote:

Any news on the DT PP front?