1. 00:02:449 (1,2,3) - Distance between (2,3) should be higher then (1,2) because the violin (3) is much stronger. Move (2) to 328:64 for example
   
2. 00:04:724 (5) - Why did you map this? It seems overmapped, delete this circle please
3. 00:10:117 (5) - ^^
4. 00:25:370 (1,2) - Overlap is a bit weird. Consider moving (2) to 267:340, looks better, has better flow, and it stacks with an previous object (00:25:033 (5) - )
5. 00:39:359 (1) - Nice slider!
6. 00:54:696 (4) - Consider moving to 211:281 so it stacks with the next object. It looks much better then the current way, due to the weird overlap
7. 01:14:583 (3,4,1) - Don't you think these jumps are a bit overdone? It's only 1/4 distance, and due to the slidertick interfering, you need to hold it to almost the end
8. 01:38:684 (5,6,7,8,9) - Stream looks a bit messed up, please make it look better
9. 02:13:572 (3,4) - Blanket?
10. 02:27:055 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - As said above, this part is way to hard. Look at the screenshot. This is one of the 2 big peaks. Nerf it a bit (or at least the spaced stream)
11. 02:34:471 (2,1) - Teach me how to make awesome things like this O.o
12. 02:42:224 (2) - The jumps feels out of place. Cltr G this
13. 02:50:988 (1) - Teach me how to make awesome things like this O.o - I LOVE THIS SLIDER
    
    
    [5eania]
    This part misses MANY NCs
    Usually, with dubstep, many NC are there to increase readability. Combos of 1 are really common
    
    1. 02:56:887 (2,3) - NC, either do both or none of them, if you do, NC 02:57:392 (4) - as well
    2. 02:59:078 (2,3) - ^^
       
    3. 03:00:679 (2,3,4,5,6) - NC ALL of these 5
    4. 03:09:864 (2) - NC
    5. 03:11:465 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Nc all 6
    6. 03:13:909 (4) - NC
       03:17:617 (5) - NC
    I love this part
    
    [Grimoire again]
14. 03:23:179 (1) - Nice slider
15. 03:28:572 (1) - ^^
16. 03:52:336 (4,7) - Either stack them or space them, the overlap feels rather awkward
17. 03:56:381 (3,4,1) - Those jumps O.o Please decrease spacing
18. 03:59:415 (5) - Stack to 03:58:909 (2) - , don't forget to move 03:59:752 (1) - as well
19. 04:09:527 (2) - Why not move this to 192:184 for the blanket? Looks better then an overlap
    
    [Midge]
    
    1. 04:13:404 (1) - Consider making it in such way (1)'s end stacks with 04:13:066 (1) -
    2. 04:15:763 (2) - NC for build up for the next part, as it feels quite similar
    3. 04:17:280 (2) - NC for start of stanza
    4. 04:20:314 (2) - Nc, cause it looks better
    5. 04:22:168 (2) - NC for better readability, it really looks like 1/4, and the huge jump before this doesn't make it better
    6. 04:28:067 (2) - NC for stanza
    7. 04:29:415 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Tone down a little please. Many people will break/fail only because of this part
    I also love this part
    
    [Grimoire ptIII]
20. Many slider here are unrankable because of their low volume. Either the sliderbody can be silenced, but then the end/sliderticks must be audible (or in any other way) You can keep it low, but please, something like 15-20 so it at least is audible (players who play this type of hard level usually have silent sldierbody/slidertick, so you can also only silence the end

Baraatje123 wrote:

As promised

[Midge]

1. 04:13:404 (1) - Consider making it in such way (1)'s end stacks with 04:13:066 (1) - i like the freehand look. stylized choice, i guess
2. 04:15:763 (2) - NC for build up for the next part, as it feels quite similar swapped 1 and 2 nc
3. 04:17:280 (2) - NC for start of stanza start of stanza is emphasized through the nc on 1. this nc looks cleaner, as 04:16:943 (1,2) - is nc'd in the same way
4. 04:20:314 (2) - Nc, cause it looks better done
5. 04:22:168 (2) - NC for better readability, it really looks like 1/4, and the huge jump before this doesn't make it better done
6. 04:28:067 (2) - NC for stanza same as the reason given before
7. 04:29:415 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Tone down a little please. Many people will break/fail only because of this part lowered ds even more, i guess

I also love this part

Bubble#1'd

2015-09-01 18:24 Slick: i'll listen it through now with 10% volume music
2015-09-01 18:24 Slick: make sure everything is fine
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: everything seems fine
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: but there is one tricky note
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: can you help me...
2015-09-01 18:30 Baraatje123: which one?
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: 04:09:527 (2) -
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: 04:09:696 (1) - this slider becomes so hard to catch
2015-09-01 18:30 Slick: because of 04:09:527 (2) - position
2015-09-01 18:31 Baraatje123: Try 264:384
2015-09-01 18:32 Slick: i'll do that
2015-09-01 18:32 Slick: do you think od shoud be 8?
2015-09-01 18:33 Baraatje123: It's fine at 8
2015-09-01 18:33 Slick: 04:34:808 - and these sliders
2015-09-01 18:33 Slick: should i raise ticks & end to 10% volume?
2015-09-01 18:33 Slick: i didn't know it was unrankable
2015-09-01 18:34 Baraatje123: I double checked and it seems fine now
2015-09-01 18:34 Slick: okay
2015-09-01 18:36 Slick: updated
2015-09-01 18:39 Baraatje123: A few more things
2015-09-01 18:39 Baraatje123: 00:25:370 (1,2) - Can you please remove the overlap?
2015-09-01 18:39 Baraatje123: As said in the thread, move (2) to 267:340, as the current overlap is incredibly awkward ;w;
2015-09-01 18:40 Slick: yeah done
2015-09-01 18:40 Slick: was that all?
2015-09-01 18:40 Baraatje123: 00:54:696 (4) - Consider moving to 211:281 so it stacks with the next object. It looks much better then the current way, due to the weird overlap
2015-09-01 18:41 Baraatje123: That's all
2015-09-01 18:42 Baraatje123: wait
2015-09-01 18:42 Slick: so it's end stacks with 00:55:033 (1) - ?
2015-09-01 18:43 Baraatje123: Just one more thing
2015-09-01 18:43 Slick: like this? http://puu.sh/jWoCL.jpg
2015-09-01 18:43 Baraatje123: yes
2015-09-01 18:43 Baraatje123: 02:42:224 (2) - Ctrl G this please, it makes more sense
2015-09-01 18:43 Slick: yeah
2015-09-01 18:44 Baraatje123: When you fix it and update I can bubble
2015-09-01 18:46 Slick: updated

Beomsan wrote:

oh bubble pop? what the

Lethargy wrote:

what is so surprising? the map is pretty unpolished

-Lemons wrote:

Wee

Aesthetics

You asked me to look at blankets and whatnot so here you go<3

00:03:628 (6) - http://puu.sh/k2lyS/fd95a5fb46.jpg move it slightly over and bring up the anchor point for a better blanket

00:05:145 (1) - move the middle anchor to 448|304 , the big curve on that slider feels off to me

00:05:651 (3) - Rotate 6 degrees so it leads into the slider better, then move it to 180|272 for the blanket fixed

00:08:684 (4,5) - I don't like the placement of these, it feels like a really harsh flow for this part http://puu.sh/k2m1B/3d5f002500.jpg I think moving 00:08:684 (4) - to 196|268 winds up with a much better flow and it makes use of the curve on 00:09:022 (6) - fixed

00:11:550 (4) - Move this to 256|40, having it so close feels weird

00:19:471 (4,5) - http://puu.sh/k2nIa/84d39b6048.jpg

00:22:673 (1) - I would just make this a curved slider or make it completely blanket around 00:22:336 (3) - slider end, the current one looks a little funky fixed

00:25:875 (3,5) - http://puu.sh/k2nSQ/9f62614cbd.jpg I adjusted the last red anchor point to be closer to 5 and then moved the last white anchor point down slightly for a better blanket

00:28:404 (2,3,1) - polish 3 so that way the curve is the same as 2 and have it be a perfect blanket over the red slider that comes up like this http://puu.sh/k2lkk/e52b5f67a4.jpg

00:29:920 (2,3,4,5) - something like this makes the curve on the end of the slider 5 look better http://puu.sh/k2lpN/ea79dad0ed.jpg

00:34:640 (1,3) - These two sliders look a little off to me in the way they rest together but I don't really have a good suggestion
changed a little

00:40:707 (1,2,3,4,5) - the flow here is pretty janky, specifically in the back and forth from 4-5-1 don't know if I like it or not

00:44:246 (1,2) - Move both of these together so you don't break the blanket, but have 1 rest on the slider head of 00:43:572 (2) -

00:58:741 (2) - move the end anchor to 184|368 for a tighter blanket fixed

01:05:819 (1,3) - You could probably blanket the sliderhead of 3 with the curve at the end of 1 (if you did this you'd have to move 01:06:325 (3,4,1,2,3,1,2) - all of this with it as well, to keep everything looking pretty, so totally up to you)

01:08:179 (2,2) - http://puu.sh/k2pnH/e3d65179ac.jpg

02:05:482 (2,3) - these two seem awfully close but the blanket is fine it's just a very close up blanket and the rest of them are about the same distance
typically

02:08:684 (4) - Now I know that 4 is stacked on the end of the 2 slider, but I think having it be blanketed by the large curve on 3 winds up looking better, plus it makes use of that nice slider design that otherwise is just a very simple blanket on the end of 3 into 2. http://puu.sh/k2q7P/ea468ee085.jpg you could also just remake the slider design on 2 so it rests in the area. http://puu.sh/k2qfS/3e71fab1df.jpg I do know that doing something like this makes the jump from 2-3 a little smaller but obviously it's up to you

02:42:224 (2,3,1,2,1) - This here looks amazing and I love it to bits, however, but I think if you rotate 02:42:224 (2) - by -40 and then move the sliders so that way the spacing is the same it winds up looking even better as then you make use of the hole in 1. http://puu.sh/k2rxF/dadd88f638.jpg if you do this BE CAREFUL WITH 02:42:898 (1) - as it can go offscreen, i'd suggest if you do this just take the entire combo 02:41:381 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - and moving it up slightly

02:59:078 (1,1) - the angle of these two is slightly off if you wanted them to be parallel http://puu.sh/k2qL4/9352d5622a.jpg

04:39:527 (2) - move to 364|308 for a blanket on 1 and then move 04:40:201 (1) - to 380|128 to blanket it all nice and tidy fixed

should be all I can see that could need any sort of changes

Cherry Blossom wrote:

1/2 and 1/4 which are difficult to recognize.

Midge wrote:

here's a reminder that my part is confirmed possible

Cherry Blossom wrote:

There is also a lot of "mapping quality issues", i highly recommend you to improve your map before getting it bubbled.

Thing

I had to rotate slider 2 to make this work

Cherry Blossom wrote:

I'm lazy to bubble pop, just.
You can't silence both sliderticks and sliderslides together, i see a lot of sliders which have both silenced (consider 5% is silenced).
There is also a lot of "mapping quality issues" with 1/2 and 1/4 which are difficult to recognize. I don't really have time to check your map, but i highly recommend you to improve your map before getting it bubbled.

If i have time in future, i could help you with your map.
Good Luck ~

Arphimigon wrote:

00:30:089 (3,4,5) - These honestly need more spacing, clear vocal here. It was increased a lot more 00:19:302 (3,4,5) - there. Another reason for the change is to separate it from this small distancing 00:29:246 (1,2) - here by making it larger than that small spacing you can separate the clearly expressed vocal. fixed

Cherry Blossom wrote:

[*] First point Concerning those long sliders, When you can follow vocal with a long slider, and when you can end it on a strong note, just do it, instead of ending a slider on a 1/4 tick later, It gives a better impression when you try to follow all instruments and vocal. And also, there is nothing really audible on blue ticks where your long sliders end.

Cherry Blossom wrote:

[*] Second Point And concerning consistency with your sliders i really have doubts, sometimes for the same notes you use different lengths, and i'm 100% sure you will have troubles with the QAT concerning consistency and lack of "concept" about rhythm (Captin's Asymmetry's DQ). Using 3/4 sliders in not really recommended at all, and they can only be used if the mappers knows what he wants to do with, it includes consistency and view about rhythm. You made things inconsistent, for example 01:55:707 (1,2,3) - and 00:17:280 (1,2,3) - which are the same notes, but not the same patterns, a perfect example of what you should not do with 3/4 sliders.

Cherry Blossom wrote:

00:19:977 (1) - This slider is really weird because it ends on a blue tick, on nothing really audible. You can end it here instead 00:20:314 -, on the strongest beat. Imo, following vocals makes you skip the strongest beats, when when you can follow them with a 1/2, just do it instead of following vocals with 1/4 and skipping most important notes. Same for 00:20:988 (3) - , use a 1/2 slider instead of a 3/4
00:28:066 (1,2,3) - Still hard to recognize which is 1/2 and 1/4, it could be better if you increase the distance between 00:28:066 (1,2) - , it will be easier to read. And same scenario for 00:31:269 (2,3,1) - fixed
01:45:257 (2,3,4,5) - same for ^ , visually these objects 01:45:257 (2,3) - has the same spacing as 01:45:595 (3,4) - . There should be a higher distance between 01:45:595 (3,4) - fixed
01:58:909 (2,3) - I was really surprised by this pattern when i was playing, the long distance between this double 01:59:331 (3,4) - and this slider 01:58:909 (2) - was not expected or predictable because there wasn't another pattern like this before, and the distance between those objects is really high. It could be better if they have the same distance, just see :fixed

SPOILER

01:59:752 (1,2) - Same as i said for long slider, in first point.
02:11:887 (1) - same as ^ and you should do it, because a 1/4 gap between a long slider and a triple is not conventional and more difficult to play than a double after a slider. It will be more fluid if there is a 1/2 gap between 02:11:887 (1,2) - .

Other
00:26:718 (1,2) - There should be a higher distance between this triple and this circle 00:26:718 (1) - . Visually, the distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) - and 00:27:055 (4,5) - is the same, and that could be surprising, i got surprised too and i got a miss. With a higher distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) -, it will give more acceleration to the player and it will be easier to play the next pattern, and easier to read as well. Same for 01:54:190 (5,1) - going to fix this
01:05:819 (1,2,3) - It seems you didn't have enough space to make this pattern more airy. There is a less distance distance between these objects compared to what you can see before this pattern. It could be better if you make things consistent here, so you should increase the distance between 01:05:819 (1,2) - . And also you should increase here too 01:06:156 (2,3) - in order to make this pattern more airy and better to play. It won't give an impression of slowdown. i did intend for a slight slowdown, i'll look into making it better
01:09:696 (6) - tbh this circle is really difficult to catch because it is at top right and also the spacing between previous circles is enough large. There is a spacing change between 01:09:527 (5,6) - and that could be a little surprising and the player might miss, when i played it with HD i was a little lucky, i didn't see that circle and i just hit it randomly and i got it. So, it should be better if you keep the same spacing on this zigzag pattern. Or if you don't want to keep the same spacing, just reduce the global spacing of this pattern. Same for 01:10:875 (6,7) - repositioned it
01:51:325 (4,5) - This looks counter intuitive to play, there are strong vocal notes on both objects (the circle and the sliderhead) and you put an antijump here. The distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - is really close and it is really disproportionate compared to 01:50:819 (3,4) - , and i really recommend you, at least, to increase the distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - . going to fix this
03:52:168 (3,4,5) - This looks a little uncomfortable to play, because the angle is near to 180° and the spacing between circles is really large, it will be smoother if there is a closer angle between those circles. You can try a symmetry with 03:52:168 (3,5) - , but you will need to arrange the next circle 03:52:673 (6) - in order to keep this pattern as fluid a possible. Just see the symmetry fixed

SPOILER

03:56:381 (3,4,1) - The distance between these sliders is really large, the gap between each slider is 1/4, and the player might get a 100 on each sliderend if he doesn't know the gap between each slider is 1/4. At least, this slider 03:56:381 (3) - should be 1/2 slider instead, according to First point.

As i said before your self popped bubble, this needs a lot of improvements, my mod will not make your map good enough to get rebubbled.
You have to work on the structure, i didn't talk about the structure because there is no starting point for making good suggestions about "how to make this pattern more structured", because of your style. This map is various slidershapes and high spaced circles, and some wub, this kind of maps is difficult to treat. Overall, the playability of the map is nice, but it is a little difficult to play these long and fast sliders, the player might get a sliderbreak easily.
We already talked about that in my #spectator yesterday, with Mazzerin too. And you also said something about the QAT that answered you about how they will treat this map etc.

As i said, what i am saying is not absolutely true, you can choose to ask a BN for a rebubble after my mod if you want, but it's risky.
Good luck ~

Desperate-kun wrote:

I didn't think I would get involved with this map again, yet I have to make something clear here.

Literally every BN and QAT were telling you to change the Extended Sliders, so that's what you should do. Even though the vocals are hold, you can't just ignore strong beats in the music and map all sliderends on nothing instead. It is not nice to play at all (because the players are hearing a strong sound earlier than the slider ends) and sounds bad, too.

If the consistency / structure you see in it is not obvious for any other player, mapper or BN, it's pointless.

You have improved the map a lot since the very beginning, that doesn't mean you can keep it as it is now and just get it ranked. Your rhythmic concept is not working at all, so you need to change it or keep your map unranked. It's really as simple as that.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

Desperate-kun wrote:

Literally every BN and QAT were telling you to change the Extended Sliders, so that's what you should do. Even though the vocals are hold, you can't just ignore strong beats in the music and map all sliderends on nothing instead. It is not nice to play at all (because the players are hearing a strong sound earlier than the slider ends) and sounds bad, too.

Desperate-kun wrote:

Your rhythmic concept is not working at all.

KuranteMelodii wrote:

When this Skystar0108 map getting ranked

Arphimigon wrote:

Good question though.
Whens next update!?

Charles445 wrote:

<large post>

Charles445 wrote:

[Storyboard]
_________10.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 300kb)
_________16.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 300kb)
e_sub0301.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 400kb)
e_ter0101.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 300kb)
e_yuu0801.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 300kb)
s_yuuc001.png is a large file for a storyboard element, you should convert it to a JPG (should end up being around 400kb)

Since you're fitting some 4:3 backgrounds to a 16:9 storyboard resolution, the top and bottom halves of some images are cut off.
These images are _________10, _________16, e_ter0101, and e_yuu0801. You can save space on them if you cut off the top and bottom of them equally, resizing them to 1024 x 576

[General]
e_yuu1402.png is the main background file, but it's 1024x768. In the actual storyboard, it's scaled to fit 1366x768, and so it completely cuts off the guy in the background.
You might want to add a width extension to it like s_yuuc001 so other parts of the picture aren't cut off.
Also, it'd be a good idea to save it as JPG to save size.
all this above should be fixed

[Grimoire]

--- Slick ---

00:04:724 (5) - This isn't really pronounced in the music, it feels weird to have to press this object. I'd delete this and move the 6 slider somewhere else.fixed
00:07:420 (5) - Again this doesn't really fit, also the stream is a lot slower paced than the slider before it so it feels a bit clunky.fixed
00:10:117 (5) - Same as beforefixed
00:10:538 (1) - Move this to the bottom left corner of the screen, this will give it more impact and increase the distance from 1 to 2 for better readability -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256346 made it better another way
00:13:151 (3) - Nothing really here in the music. fixed
00:16:269 (3) - I'd move this up and to the left, so 2 to 3 is a jump at a sharp angle. Try x: 160 y:116 -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256356 fixed
00:19:977 (1) - End this on the white tick like the slider at 00:21:325 (1) - . Sounds / feels better. fixed
00:42:561 (4) - Rotate this by selection center clockwise 50 degrees. Better angle for it. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256370 fixed
00:48:881 (4) - I can kinda hear this, but not too well... I think this circle would be best avoided. i can hear this but i wouldn't mind removing it if you really think i should
00:49:555 (8) - I really can't hear this one. I'd remove this circle. fixed
00:50:482 (4,5) - I'd swap places for these two. It keeps the angle changes going. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256417 fixed
00:55:033 (1) - This slider isn't moving up fast enough to make this smooth gameplay, I think you should loosen up the red points at the beginning -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256423 fixed
00:56:802 (2) - Doesn't quite fit, there's a sound at 00:56:634 - and 00:56:971 - but not 00:56:802. it's overmapped but if i removed it i would have to refurnish the following jumps and i can't think of anything good. i'll look into it though
00:57:561 (7,1) - This is a large jump from left to right, but the slider right after is moving to the left... this is going to cause a lot of unfair breaks. It'd be easier if the slider started moving to the right, and then curved to the left somehow... -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256443 yeah that would compliment (7) more but i'd lose the nice wobble shape for the vocal, i don't think the flow is too harsh, i'd prefer to keep.
01:00:932 (3,4,5) - Rotate selection center anti-clockwise 15 degrees. Better angle coming from 2 and into 6. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256457 fixed
01:27:392 (1,2) - The (2) slider should start at 01:27:898 - instead. -> http://puu.sh/mhgc6/3154d1897e.jpg wow nice catch, fixed
01:39:190 (1,2,3) - This is pretty awkward to play. Try moving 2 to x: 168 y:292 fixed
01:44:078 (1,2,3,4) - I think having the stream after it be 5 long instead of 3 long would be more intuitive... -> http://puu.sh/mhgB8/baab1bf765.jpg wouldn't it make 01:44:499 - overmapped, i want to focus on the violin here so i'd prefer to keep it as it is
01:45:595 (3,4) - It feels weird moving to the left on this slider. Maybe point the 3 slider down and to the left? -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256493 fixed
01:47:111 (3,4) - Instead of the 4 moving down and to the right, it'd be more comfortable if it moved a little up and to the right... try something like this -> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256494 changed 01:47:617 (1) - instead to compliment 01:47:280 (4) -
01:53:010 (1,2) - I recommend repositioning these so the 2 is a little above the 3's start. Something like this -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256496 fixed
01:54:359 (1) - Move this lower and rotate it a little bit clockwise. -> I used 32 degrees for this picture -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256502 fixed
02:00:763 (3,4,5,1) - Player is going to be basically moving straight from 3 to the 1... I'd make the 451 stream either perfectly straight or curving downwards -> http://puu.sh/mhh6v/d27730bb08.jpg fixed
02:03:460 (6,1) - The (1) slider is too far away and at a bad angle. Try something like this -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256513 fixed
02:10:033 (3,1) - The slider's angle doesn't fit the previous movement too well. Try a shape that starts more diagonally, something like this -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256539 fixed
02:12:898 (1,2,3,4) - This movement is pretty awkward, especially the 2 to 3. Moving 2 and 3 around can fix the problem -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256549 fixed
02:15:595 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is really awkward movement, a lot of people are going to be uncomfortable starting the stream. I think if it's kept moving up and down, while slowly moving to the left, it'll be more intuitive. Here's an example -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256561 fixed
02:20:482 (3,4,5) - Rotate selection anti-clockwise 20 degrees. Better angle for the stream. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256571 fixed
02:23:095 (2) - I can't hear the instrument this is based on in the music. You should probably remove this circle to be safe. it's overmapped, if i remove it i have to refurnish the following jumps and it's hard for me to make it good, i'll look into it though
02:25:201 (6,1) - This angle is pretty rough, movement is up and to the left, so moving so strongly to the right is going to cause a lot of breaks. Try starting going up and to the left, then curving into the right. Something like this (don't make it this ugly though haha) -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256606same reason as the first time you mentioned it, i'd prefer to keep the wobble shape, i'll try to make it play better

03:22:168 (2,3) - Movement from 2 to 3 is going down and to the left, but the 3 is moving down and to the right at first. It'd be less awkward to play if the slider started by moving down and to the left. Here's an example of a possibility -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264167 fixed
03:33:965 (1,2) - It makes sense why you're doing this, but it's still weird spacing. It's easy to read and not a real problem but I can see someone complaining about it down the line. when this happens i think using either really low spacing or high spacing works
03:36:493 (3,1) - Again the slider would be best catching the movement from the 3. A similar fix like at 03:22:168 would be great. should play better now
03:42:224 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - Really underwhelming to just have simple streams for this transition. The angles they are at don't play very well either, I recommend trying something different with this transition. made it different, hopefully it's better
03:45:932 (5,1,2) - From 5's end to 1 to 2, it's basically a straight line of varying speed. Changing speed in the same direction is really hard to do, and is far less fun than changing speed while also changing angle. Fortunately this issue can be avoided by moving the 2 up somewhere, and having it pointed away from 1. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264250 fixed
03:50:314 (1,2) - Playing this doesn't feel quite right to play. I think it'd work better if the 2 was either pointed more downwards, or more away from the 1. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264260 or -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264262 lowered it a bit
03:52:842 (7,1) - This jump feels a little too big. i'll look into it
03:56:381 (3,4) - This is a risky slider stream jump. I expect most people would break on the 3 since it's so far away from the 4. I'd make this less of a jump, and reconsider the angle 3 ends at. made it play better
03:56:718 (4,1) - Again, same thing as before. move it a little bit to the right
03:58:404 (1) - Rotate by selection center anticlockwise 23 degrees. It creates a better angle coming from the previous circle. Also consider moving the slider end up a little bit. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264282 fixed
04:02:954 (3,4) - Really weird angle here. I think this would work better if the 3 ended more to the right. Moving the (2) is also a good idea. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264288 fixed
04:03:797 (1,2,3) - This has the same problem as at 03:45:932 - where it's going in the same direction, but changing speed erratically. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264300 fixed
04:05:482 (2,3) - This jump is huge! Really needs to be smaller. yeah, can't think of anything right now..
04:08:347 (3) - This would feel a bit better if it moved less up at first and more to the right. Rotating it clockwise should help. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264308 fixed

5eania wrote:

Charles445 wrote:

[Grimoire]
--- 5EANIA ---

02:56:887 (1) - Remove new combo. It'll be obvious that this is a fast moving slider because of the next object, so there's no need to hint at it. ac
02:57:392 (1) - You don't really need this new combo. ac
02:58:404 (6,7) - Too big a jump, too easy to sliderbreak. Try pointing the 6 more to the right, and starting it a little bit farther away from the 5. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256620 ac
02:58:572 (7) - No need to extend this to 1/8, will just make people upset. Instead change the slider velocity at 02:58:572 - to 1.5x. It'll be basically the same, just less likely to cause slider breaks. ac
02:59:583 (1,2) - Swap these new combos. It'll match up with what happened previously. ac
03:01:522 (1) - Remove new combo, it's excessive and makes this part a bit tricky to read. ac
03:02:280 (3) - This is basically a free sliderbreak... This being a slider isn't terribly important, I'd recommend just having it be a circle so the player can focus their time getting to the very important 1/8 slider. If you absolutely must have it be a slider, point it more to the right so it's moving both up and to the right. dn: well... idk, but i think it's not bad...
03:02:954 (2) - Move this more to the left and a little more up, so the jump into the next combo isn't so huge. You might want to move the previous slider a bit as well. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256632 ac
03:02:448 (4,1) - Consider swapping these new combos. It'll be more like the previous stuff that way. ac
03:05:145 (4,1) - Swap these new combos. This is very important for readability. ac
03:05:735 (1,2) - Swap these new combos. Same reason as above. ac
03:05:988 (1) - Remove this new combo, it'll be unneeded if the previous two combo things are applied (which they should be, haha). ac
03:07:842 (3,1) - I'd swap these new combos, then add a new combo at 03:08:516 (3) - ac
03:10:370 (3) - See usually here you would have some object starting at 03:10:538 - with a new combo on it, so this slider is really, really out of place. I'd redo this section to have something that's starting at 03:10:538 - . ac
03:12:308 (1) - Excessive new combo ac
03:12:477 (1) - Excessive new combo, removing this one will also make this part easier to read. ac
03:14:583 - Ending a slider on the big beat again is inconsistent and hard to read. Something like this would be more readable and maintain the uh, edgy circle stream jump thing you had going on before. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4256824 ac
This is a bit of a readability hazard though, so you could always go for the safer route -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4264123 ac
03:15:763 (3) - Pretty weak, but I guess that's the point since it's slowing down for the next section. ac

1. 00:02:111 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - like this? for flow and blanket
2. 00:05:988 (4) - 36|112?
3. 00:10:538 (1,2) - stack? kinda close for me
4. 00:18:460 (1,2) - blanket?
5. 00:19:640 (5) - ctrl+G better for me, for flow
6. 00:23:684 (4) - 104|112?
7. 00:26:718 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - like this? for flow, just move 1 and rotate 234
8. 00:51:662 (3,4) - and 00:52:336 (1,2) - embarrassing for me, as distance
9. 01:01:606 (9) - change to a 1/4 slider which have no volume at tail?
10. 01:19:302 (1) - the same shape like 01:18:460 (3) - ? I mean copy and paste
11. 01:29:078 (1) - like this? I really like stack at tail of a high speed slider when there is an empty beat
12. 01:31:100 (3,1) - no good the same flow, how about like this?
13. 02:05:482 (2,3) - this blanket is really off, btw I think you'd better fix some other blankets which are off
14. 02:10:707 (2) - 480|336?
15. 02:28:066 (5) - change to a 1/1 slider which have lower volume and ×1.0 sv? for there is a fun melody background
16. 02:47:448 (2) - ctrl+G? I don't think the same flow fits vocal here, btw the blanket
17. 02:57:561 (3) - ctrl+G? to have a feeling like 'OUT'
18. 03:06:325 (4) - change to a 1/4 slider? that will be cooler
19. 03:09:190 (5) - ^
20. 03:16:774 (2) - ctrl+G better imo
21. 03:42:898 (1) - make a strange shape? and flowing to the next slider is better imo especially for here
22. 04:15:763 (1) - ctrl+G? just like opposite for 04:15:763 (1,1) - them is better
23. Besides unifying the distance for blanket parts will make patterns titier, as an example like 00:19:640 (5,1,2) -

Misure wrote:

Hello here, random mod here
[Grimoire]

1. 00:02:111 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - like this? for flow and blanket i don't find that to flow well
2. 00:05:988 (4) - 36|112? fixed
3. 00:10:538 (1,2) - stack? kinda close for me don't think that's needed
4. 00:18:460 (1,2) - blanket? fixed
5. 00:19:640 (5) - ctrl+G better for me, for flow too sudden slider jump
6. 00:23:684 (4) - 104|112? sudden slow down feels weird
7. 00:26:718 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - like this? for flow, just move 1 and rotate 234 i prefer what i have already
8. 00:51:662 (3,4) - and 00:52:336 (1,2) - embarrassing for me, as distance sorry i don't understand
9. 01:01:606 (9) - change to a 1/4 slider which have no volume at tail? don't think that's needed
10. 01:19:302 (1) - the same shape like 01:18:460 (3) - ? I mean copy and paste i like having the two different shapes
11. 01:29:078 (1) - like this? I really like stack at tail of a high speed slider when there is an empty beat passed
12. 01:31:100 (3,1) - no good the same flow, how about like this? fixed
13. 02:05:482 (2,3) - this blanket is really off, btw I think you'd better fix some other blankets which are off looks fine to me
14. 02:10:707 (2) - 480|336? good, fixed
15. 02:28:066 (5) - change to a 1/1 slider which have lower volume and ×1.0 sv? for there is a fun melody background don't think that's necessary
16. 02:47:448 (2) - ctrl+G? I don't think the same flow fits vocal here, btw the blanket fixed blanket only
17. 03:42:898 (1) - make a strange shape? and flowing to the next slider is better imo especially for herei don't think the jump is too hard
18. Besides unifying the distance for blanket parts will make patterns titier, as an example like 00:19:640 (5,1,2) -

Just mod it for the cool slider
Good luck!

5eania wrote:

Charles445 wrote:

04:13:572 (3) - I think this could be farther away, maybe to the right, gives more impact and makes the distance to 4 less awkward. -> achttps://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4504641
04:13:909 (4) - This small spacing from 3 is a bit weird, same with the angle. I'd move the 4 to the bottom part of the screen, not the top. That way they are moving the opposite direction of where the 3 is going. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4504643i redesign to that around section a little bit. idk it's ok
04:15:932 (1,1,1,1) - These slider stream jumps are really big! I recommend redoing the first 3 so they aren't as large, breaking off sliders at this point in the map would be upsetting. D: i have no idea more; i set increase sv to first slider and reversed (Ctrl + G) second slider
04:19:134 (2) - I'd move this down a little more. The player isn't going to follow the 2 at all since they have to get ready for 3, so it'd be nicer to have it lower, maybe a bit more to the left. -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4504648ac
04:23:347 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think a repeat slider would be fine here, 1/8 slider streams are really weird / easy to break on. ac
04:26:718 (1,1) - These jumps are again a bit too big. Not as tricky as the other ones but still could have the spacing reduced it's ok. isn't it? yes you right. that two sliders has pretty long distance with each other. but slider makes free 300 point many times, so i think this is no problem

1. 00:34:134 (4) - the slider starts at a weak beat, even not a drum or vocal, 00:33:965 (3,4) - making them a 1/1 slider is a good way
2. 00:43:235 (1,2) - The 1/4 jump is too large in the calm part of the song.
3. 02:00:257 (2) -This extended silder ignored 02:00:595 -, which doesn't feel good.
4. 02:02:280 (1) -this note follows vocal, making the downbeats sliderend, but 02:02:786 (3) - ignored the vocal, starting with a drum beat. If you prefer vocal, you'd start slider on 02:02:954 - ; If you prefer drums, ignore 02:02:280 - , don't start slider there too, but start on 02:02:448 - , like 02:05:145 (1) - .
5. 02:11:887 (1) -slider ends at a very bad time, ignoring an import beat: 02:12:224 –
6. 02:25:370 (1,2) - Is the space too small comparing with other large 1/4 jumps like 02:26:044 (1,2,1) -?
7. 02:27:055 (2,3) -I think you should reduce the space here, to emphasize 02:27:392 (4,5) -the two drums better.
8. 02:56:887 (2,1) - can you reduce the 1//4 jumps? Although it's a slider jump which isn't that hard, but it will be confusing while the 1/2 space 02:56:381 (1,2) - is almost the same level as 02:56:887 (2,1).
9. 04:20:988 (6) -04:20:988 - 04:21:156 – The strength of thetwo drums are similar in music, but a sliderend is weak, which can’t express the music well. Two circles may work better here.

Fycho wrote:

02:25:370 (1,2) - Is the space too small comparing with other large 1/4 jumps like 02:26:044 (1,2,1) -?

Irreversible wrote:

wasn't the dubstep part mapped by someone else when you've uploaded the map? Not sure, haha just a question.

5eania wrote:

Fycho wrote:

1. 02:56:887 (2,1) - can you reduce the 1//4 jumps? Although it's a slider jump which isn't that hard, but it will be confusing while the 1/2 space 02:56:381 (1,2) - is almost the same level as 02:56:887 (2,1). its a extra not make to easy
2. 04:20:988 (6) -04:20:988 - 04:21:156 – The strength of thetwo drums are similar in music, but a sliderend is weak, which can’t express the music well. Two circles may work better here. ac

Fycho wrote:

I agree with Natsu here. There are still some extended sliders that have problem.

1. 00:34:134 (4) - the slider starts at a weak beat, even not a drum or vocal, 00:33:965 (3,4) - making them a 1/1 slider is a good way i gathered some opinions on this and it's very divided. i asked what they thought fit the vocal best, a circle and a 1/2 slider or a 1/1 slider. it's very ambiguous, and it seems it can be mapped either way. i mapped it the way i did because that's what i find fitting for that vocal so i'd prefer to keep it as is.
2. 00:43:235 (1,2) - The 1/4 jump is too large in the calm part of the song. hmm sliders are lenient. not hard or too large
3. 02:00:257 (2) -This extended silder ignored 02:00:595 -, which doesn't feel good. fixed
4. 02:02:280 (1) -this note follows vocal, making the downbeats sliderend, but 02:02:786 (3) - ignored the vocal, starting with a drum beat. If you prefer vocal, you'd start slider on 02:02:954 - ; If you prefer drums, ignore 02:02:280 - , don't start slider there too, but start on 02:02:448 - , like 02:05:145 (1)
   - . there is a syllable change at 02:02:954 - but since it's barely audible and there is also a vocal part at 02:03:123 - where the singer raises her voice after lowering it which i deem to be the stronger vocal, i'll keep the 3/4 slider with the circle on the vocal
5. 02:11:887 (1) -slider ends at a very bad time, ignoring an import beat: 02:12:224 ? fixed
6. 02:25:370 (1,2) - Is the space too small comparing with other large 1/4 jumps like 02:26:044 (1,2,1) -? increased a bit
7. 02:27:055 (2,3) -I think you should reduce the space here, to emphasize 02:27:392 (4,5) -the two drums better. it's the same pattern as 00:59:415 (2,3,4,5,1) - , i don't think it's necessary

Good luck!

Natsu wrote:

02:00:257 (2) - I don't know how those sliders ignoring strong beats make sense with the song, the following vocals hold sounds argue can apply to any song with vocals.. does that mean the next step in mapping is overmapping every slider tail for hold sounds mapping? don't get me wrong is fine to map like this when there is not noticeable sounds before, but this case and others is really too much, sounds are really strong to be ignored.
fixed
02:02:954 - you mapping to vocals, but you still ignoring this to extend the slider? this and other examples make 0 sense with your vocal mapping logic
answered in my reply to fycho
02:04:724 - you did map a similar vocal before 02:03:713 - but still ignoring this one, why? sorry i have no idea what you're trying to say

02:05:145 (1) - vocal hold sound stop literally in 02:05:314 - , can you explain how make sense to end this on blue tick fixed

02:11:887 (1) - why you hitsound ticks that you are not mapping properly? this make an even loud sound, read Desperate-Kun post again: p/4568620 makes no sense to ignore loud sounds and make less sense to ignore loud sounds and hitsound them.. fixed

Just some examples this happen in other places as well