Patatitta wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?

So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.

Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.

hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknesses

if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?

people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all

i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?

So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.

Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.

hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknesses

if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?

people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all

i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing

?? I'm... Not really sure what you're talking about here.

The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.

Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.

Patatitta wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?

So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.

Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.

hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknesses

if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?

people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all

i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing

?? I'm... Not really sure what you're talking about here.

The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.

Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.

"Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago."

I was working off this line, did I missunderstand it?, from what I understood you said that contribution was already a factor since 2 years ago

Patatitta wrote:

by human verification I meant the adding the asking in dm for a list of contributions

what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list

ghoulybits wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

by human verification I meant the adding the asking in dm for a list of contributions

what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list

It's less of a requirement and more of a convenience for the OT!Government in cases where it was hard to find contributions made by various denizens.

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Welp, looks like we'll have to deal with this new denizenship system.

YyottaCat wrote:

Let me point it clear here:

Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.

Polyspora wrote:

nobody said otherwise

YyottaCat wrote:

Let me point it clear here:

Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't fucking care about it anymore.

Achromalia wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Let me point it clear here:

Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.

pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worth

ghoulybits wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Let me point it clear here:

Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.

pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worth

Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for president

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.

ghoulybits wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Let me point it clear here:

Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.

pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worth

Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for president

ghoulybits wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.

Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.

Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?

You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.

ghoulybits wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.

Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?

You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.

? When the hell did I say that

ShinRun wrote:

Manish I doubt you can come up with something better

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

calm down woman, its just a meme

ShinRun wrote:

ghouly probably packin 10 inches down there ngl

ShinRun wrote:

ghouly probably packin 10 inches down there ngl

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

calm down woman, its just a meme

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilarious

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

calm down woman, its just a meme

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilarious

I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discord

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

calm down woman, its just a meme

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilarious

I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discord

Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

calm down woman, its just a meme

I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilarious

I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discord

Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)

you shouldnt expect people to read something in 2022 tbh, thats ingenuous

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

Manishh wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

Relax you got me wrong


women bad = new denizen system bad

Polyspora wrote:

Manishh wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system

Relax you got me wrong


women bad = new denizen system bad

lmao

-Remi wrote:

What Acromalia said.

Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?

These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.

-Remi wrote:

What Acromalia said.

Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?

These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.

-Remi wrote:

What Acromalia said.

Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

What Acromalia said.

Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?

its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

What Acromalia said.

Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?

its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over

Every time someone asks me the same question that I've answered just a couple posts up in the same thread, the urge to include a comment about sleeping with their mother in my response grows tenfold.

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario

OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

They can revoke denizenship now?

abraker wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario

OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.

Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.

abraker wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

They can revoke denizenship now?

Dude, you are in the OT! Government. Are you sleeping under a rock?

abraker wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario

OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.

Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.

Cerno wrote:

the wise words of q9

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

tl;dr please?

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

tl;dr please?

Achromalia wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

tl;dr please?

igorsprite had denizenship status revoked.

the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.

people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.

ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.

after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.

Polyspora wrote:

I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."

Polyspora wrote:

I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."

Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!

(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."

Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!

(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)

Tad Fibonacci wrote:

I like how people fear mongered each other that the Gov is gonna kick others out of denizenship because they kicked out a disgusting pedophile.

Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted cp in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.

octowave wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

i can't wait until they make some foundational thread in OT that kickstarts a whole new lore arc, to celebrate their newfound denizenship

maybe, i'm just hoping for more OT shenanigans that aren't just meta issues

idk octowave can do whatever they want x'D

i'm trying, achrom.... -v-
it's just difficult coming up with a thread idea that i think people will want to participate in
and i'm terrible at improv, so that's something i have to work around
there'll be something big someday, i just don't know what or when

octowave wrote:

-Remi wrote:

I am always late for his collabs, hopefully I'll be able to secure a spot next time

i already have a date decided for the next one if that helps

20th nov 2023

it's a thematic thing