i'm not a denizen and i know another system xdghoulybits wrote:
While that is correct, my point still stands that any adjustments that the government should have made have already been made, and by now there isn't a single person who isn't a denizen who has ever known another system besides Penguin's.Polyspora wrote:
2 years is not much, considering OT lifetime.ghoulybits wrote:
So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.Patatitta wrote:
if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?
Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.
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if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?
people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all
i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing
The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.
Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.
I was working off this line, did I missunderstand it?, from what I understood you said that contribution was already a factor since 2 years ago
well, either way:
it could similarly be said that this system was implemented inconsistently or may not have been necessary, using my initial presidency as an example to justify that perspective.
since i'm not personally privy to the reasoning and discourse within ot!government, i can't claim it's faulty, but from this point of observation, this would be yet another fault line of class disparity, however marginal it might seem (since a user can more or less do what they want regardless, and ot!government at best might serve as an organized committee that can distribute posts & media). all users have no genuine difference of functional power other than abraker as a gmt. the soft intangible power of denizenship would be hard to meaningfully gauge beyond that though.
women bad = new denizen system bad
Anyway I already give up yesterday at this drama
the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.
people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.
ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.
after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
though to be fair, maybe not all of them were involved in the voting process, therefore not really being capable of being held responsible for ot!government elections, as they'd likely been new at the time if my uninformed guess is correct. it also can be difficult to see things in as clear a scope as this due to how ot!government content is published in the subforum to an extent of prevalence that speaks more to the effectiveness of the roleplay in a sense.
this also isn't too dissimilar from general mechanisms of internet commentary to begin with, in that it can be difficult to differentiate the real scale of things once you're immersed, and people can grow easily agitated and vigilant through this immersion in the internet as a medium for communication, including any form of conflict. that's where we might take something personally, often venturing to do something about it-- even when it's hardly constructive-- like fearmongering about a concern.
not that this fundamentally changes anything, just a note of trivially subtle clarifying factors to consider before the dwellers of OT are held responsible.
if you ever plan to though, i'd say i think my start here turned out pretty similarly. it comes with time and exposure to experience with doing it yourself :>
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hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknessesghoulybits wrote:
So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.Patatitta wrote:
if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?
Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.
if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?
people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all
i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing
?? I'm... Not really sure what you're talking about here.Patatitta wrote:
hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknessesghoulybits wrote:
So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.Patatitta wrote:
if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?
Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.
if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?
people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all
i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing
The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.
Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.
"Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago."ghoulybits wrote:
?? I'm... Not really sure what you're talking about here.Patatitta wrote:
hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknessesghoulybits wrote:
So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.Patatitta wrote:
if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?
Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.
if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?
people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all
i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing
The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.
Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.
I was working off this line, did I missunderstand it?, from what I understood you said that contribution was already a factor since 2 years ago
I think you might have? I'm not sure what you mean by "human verification" being added. This current system has been implemented for a while, so I'm also not really sure what you're talking about there.Patatitta wrote:
"Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago."ghoulybits wrote:
?? I'm... Not really sure what you're talking about here.Patatitta wrote:
hasn't really changed because this system was not implemented yet, different systems has different weaknessesghoulybits wrote:
So far, we haven't encountered anyone who has gotten to the qualification stage who has blatantly copied what another person has done in order to become denizen.Patatitta wrote:
if the main difference is people copying threads vs people doing low effort posts, I think copying is worse, and even if you think you dont, is it really worth it to go through all this extra work and risk just to change one for the other?
Also, I'm going to remind you again that this has been the system for nearly two years now. Any changes have already occurred long ago.
if this has been the system, or close to for the last 2 years, and this change just only adds a human verification in the way, why do you actually think this system is going to work better?
people have been critizing the previous system too, this really just doesn't improve much at all
i dont think people are going to stop trying to just flood to get denizen either, most people who beg arent ellegible in the first place, people are also going to keep quitting after obtaining denizen, burnout is still a thing
The current system of deciding denizenship has not changed since Penguin. While things have been added upon it, like denizens submitting their own contributions and denizenship being able to be removed, how we decide denizenship hasn't changed. No system that will change how denizenship is fundamentally decided has been implemented.
Are we having two different conversations here? I'm starting to think we are.
I was working off this line, did I missunderstand it?, from what I understood you said that contribution was already a factor since 2 years ago
by human verification I meant the adding the asking in dm for a list of contributions
what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list
what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list
It's less of a requirement and more of a convenience for the OT!Government in cases where it was hard to find contributions made by various denizens.Patatitta wrote:
by human verification I meant the adding the asking in dm for a list of contributions
what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list
could this system be changed for the list to only be a requirement for edge cases, while keeping the previous system?, I still disagree a bit in the philosophy in genreal but i'm way more ok with thatghoulybits wrote:
It's less of a requirement and more of a convenience for the OT!Government in cases where it was hard to find contributions made by various denizens.Patatitta wrote:
by human verification I meant the adding the asking in dm for a list of contributions
what I understood from your posts is that contribution was already taken as a factor, and that this change only adds the requirement for that list
congrats! we got to 2100 posts with some dumb shit
Welp, looks like we'll have to deal with this new denizenship system.
What new system? There is no "new" system. It's the same as it was before you even got here.[ Sebastian ] wrote:
Welp, looks like we'll have to deal with this new denizenship system.
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
I don't fucking care about it anymore.
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote:
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
well, either way:
or at least i think people generally recognize that now.Polyspora wrote:
nobody said otherwise
nobody said otherwiseYyottaCat wrote:
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
u shouldn't cared about it in the first place, not owning denizenship doesn’t mean u lose any privileges (maybe except the presidential election) in this community[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't fucking care about it anymore.
Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for presidentAchromalia wrote:
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote:
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
hmmn. then it might become a problem if people express discontent or outrage as a result, because that then could qualify as a privilege and distinct class of power (edit: not functional power like the gmt, though)ghoulybits wrote:
Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for presidentAchromalia wrote:
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote:
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
it could similarly be said that this system was implemented inconsistently or may not have been necessary, using my initial presidency as an example to justify that perspective.
since i'm not personally privy to the reasoning and discourse within ot!government, i can't claim it's faulty, but from this point of observation, this would be yet another fault line of class disparity, however marginal it might seem (since a user can more or less do what they want regardless, and ot!government at best might serve as an organized committee that can distribute posts & media). all users have no genuine difference of functional power other than abraker as a gmt. the soft intangible power of denizenship would be hard to meaningfully gauge beyond that though.
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote:
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
you need to be a denizen to run for president.ghoulybits wrote:
Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for presidentAchromalia wrote:
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote:
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote:
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote:
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
? When the hell did I say that[ Sebastian ] wrote:
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote:
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote:
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
Forget it. I'm just an idiot like always.ghoulybits wrote:
? When the hell did I say that[ Sebastian ] wrote:
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote:
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote:
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
BUT I CAN. Sit down everyone, let me entail a great solution...ShinRun wrote:
Manish I doubt you can come up with something better
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote:
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
I change my mind, this is going into a cursed direction now.ShinRun wrote:
ghouly probably packin 10 inches down there ngl
that would be really coolShinRun wrote:
ghouly probably packin 10 inches down there ngl
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote:
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote:
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
uh i didnt think it was gonna go this far sorry lol
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote:
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote:
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote:
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
you shouldnt expect people to read something in 2022 tbh, thats ingenuousghoulybits wrote:
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote:
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote:
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote:
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
She needs to chill out.Polyspora wrote:
you shouldnt expect people to read something in 2022 tbh, thats ingenuousghoulybits wrote:
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote:
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote:
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote:
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
Relax you got me wrongghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
women bad = new denizen system bad
lmaoManishh wrote:
Relax you got me wrongghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
women bad = new denizen system bad
Where did she get that from? lolPolyspora wrote:
lmaoManishh wrote:
Relax you got me wrongghoulybits wrote:
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
women bad = new denizen system bad
when are we not going to be unreasonably antagonistic
because i sense myself being tempted to antagonize y'all myself, and this is hardly coalition-opposition roleplay anymore
my perspective is that ghouly has been reasonable the entire time, considering how many questions have been given answers, and the significant efforts toward actually trying to understand where we're coming from.
if there's any reason for her not seeming calm at some point, the past several hours of trying to respond and clarify, despite what i'm starting to believe to be people failing to operate in good faith, are probably it.
that in no way disqualifies or discounts the questions made in theory. in practice, though, this is... making it hard to believe this isn't just unironic and unfunny contrarianism from a point of personal vindictive bias.
idk whether to go off further, and give specifics to make into a real problem (;; = ~=)
because i sense myself being tempted to antagonize y'all myself, and this is hardly coalition-opposition roleplay anymore
my perspective is that ghouly has been reasonable the entire time, considering how many questions have been given answers, and the significant efforts toward actually trying to understand where we're coming from.
if there's any reason for her not seeming calm at some point, the past several hours of trying to respond and clarify, despite what i'm starting to believe to be people failing to operate in good faith, are probably it.
that in no way disqualifies or discounts the questions made in theory. in practice, though, this is... making it hard to believe this isn't just unironic and unfunny contrarianism from a point of personal vindictive bias.
idk whether to go off further, and give specifics to make into a real problem (;; = ~=)
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.
"She needs to chill out", I'm sure anyone else would be going batshit insane in her situation. She's plenty chill.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.
"She needs to chill out", I'm sure anyone else would be going batshit insane in her situation. She's plenty chill.
To be fair, it isn't like any other member of the OT!Government is answering questions right now. Considering I'm the figurehead and all, I can't say I didn't expect it.-Remi wrote:
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.
+1-Remi wrote:
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.
I owe ghoulybits a massive apology. I was hearing about how the "new" denizenship system was awful, and I joined the bandwagon. I attacked people like her and Shinrun over basically nothing. I am really sorry.
A lesson for all:
Improve your reading stamina.
Improve your reading stamina.
its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over-Remi wrote:
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
Every time someone asks me the same question that I've answered just a couple posts up in the same thread, the urge to include a comment about sleeping with their mother in my response grows tenfold.Polyspora wrote:
its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over-Remi wrote:
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
cute love you too ghoulybits <3ghoulybits wrote:
Every time someone asks me the same question that I've answered just a couple posts up in the same thread, the urge to include a comment about sleeping with their mother in my response grows tenfold.Polyspora wrote:
its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over-Remi wrote:
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
Topic Starter
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote:
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote:
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
Dude, you are in the OT! Government. Are you sleeping under a rock?Corne2Plum3 wrote:
They can revoke denizenship now?
bro trying to escapeabraker wrote:
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote:
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote:
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
Anyway I already give up yesterday at this drama
Based unaware innocent Corne <3abraker wrote:
Dude, you are in the OT! Government. Are you sleeping under a rock?Corne2Plum3 wrote:
They can revoke denizenship now?
abraker wrote:
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote:
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote:
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
tl;dr please?
The TL;DR is please be active in the government channels again please please pleaseCorne2Plum3 wrote:
tl;dr please?
I don't know why I was following those random people over something so small. I make these mistakes a lot. I want to be normal and not have so many things wrong with me.
igorsprite had denizenship status revoked.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
tl;dr please?
the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.
people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.
ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.
after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.
i think his denizenship is revoked due to evidence (and a admittance according to abarker) that he is a pedoAchromalia wrote:
igorsprite had denizenship status revoked.Corne2Plum3 wrote:
tl;dr please?
the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.
people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.
ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.
after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.
It hurt reading all of that.
i think people seem to forget its literally just an imaginary title on a forum thread lol
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
lmaoPolyspora wrote:
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote:
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
It was between wall of texts that why some people missed it.ghoulybits wrote:
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote:
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
imma be honest there has been way too many denizen posts here i just stopped caring to read em lolghoulybits wrote:
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote:
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
y'all nerds
yeah i'm out of this disscusion, said what I felt to shinrun in DM, if I end up getting denizen (aparrently I cant reject it) that shows that thy system is just fucked, since I do not deserve it contribution-wise, my clears on everything else are clear if you read this thread, and it doesn't seem that my feedback is going to make it to change
bro just take it
Topic Starter
NOTICE
Despite the current turbulent mayhem and controversial decisions taken, things shall progress as they did. Today the OT! parliament has passed a vote to bestow the great title of denizen to a fellow dweller. Except the title is not great and means nothing, so- ahem. This individual’s activity is rather lackluster compared to others however their contribution is without a doubt one of a kind. Their talent and love for the OT community landed not one but two of their creations in OT’s Royal Museum of Art. Their work has captured the beginnings of 9th gen and brought many denizens together through his collabs. Give a round of applause to synthwavesquid! Oh Wait holup, I've been told they leveled up - fun stuff. Give 8x rounds of applause to octowave!
Written by ShinRun, editorialized by abrakerNice 👏
Here's to seeing more of your artworks here, octo. 🥂
oc-to-wave! oc-to-wave! oc-to-wave!
[celebratory bone-rattling]
[celebratory bone-rattling]
Congrats octowave 🥳🥳🥳
2nd addition to 9th gen
it's been a while
it's been a while
i can't wait until they make some foundational thread in OT that kickstarts a whole new lore arc, to celebrate their newfound denizenship
maybe, i'm just hoping for more OT shenanigans that aren't just meta issues
idk octowave can do whatever they want x'D
maybe, i'm just hoping for more OT shenanigans that aren't just meta issues
idk octowave can do whatever they want x'D
congrats
gg
I like how people fear mongered each other that the Gov is gonna kick others out of denizenship because they kicked out a disgusting pedophile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted cp in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted cp in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
i can't deny that there are excellent points here, nor can that glaring spotlight on the irony be dismissed.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
I like how people fear mongered each other that the Gov is gonna kick others out of denizenship because they kicked out a disgusting pedophile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted cp in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
though to be fair, maybe not all of them were involved in the voting process, therefore not really being capable of being held responsible for ot!government elections, as they'd likely been new at the time if my uninformed guess is correct. it also can be difficult to see things in as clear a scope as this due to how ot!government content is published in the subforum to an extent of prevalence that speaks more to the effectiveness of the roleplay in a sense.
this also isn't too dissimilar from general mechanisms of internet commentary to begin with, in that it can be difficult to differentiate the real scale of things once you're immersed, and people can grow easily agitated and vigilant through this immersion in the internet as a medium for communication, including any form of conflict. that's where we might take something personally, often venturing to do something about it-- even when it's hardly constructive-- like fearmongering about a concern.
not that this fundamentally changes anything, just a note of trivially subtle clarifying factors to consider before the dwellers of OT are held responsible.
no worries, i wouldn't hold you to anythingoctowave wrote:
i'm trying, achrom.... -v-Achromalia wrote:
i can't wait until they make some foundational thread in OT that kickstarts a whole new lore arc, to celebrate their newfound denizenship
maybe, i'm just hoping for more OT shenanigans that aren't just meta issues
idk octowave can do whatever they want x'D
it's just difficult coming up with a thread idea that i think people will want to participate in
and i'm terrible at improv, so that's something i have to work around
there'll be something big someday, i just don't know what or when
if you ever plan to though, i'd say i think my start here turned out pretty similarly. it comes with time and exposure to experience with doing it yourself :>
I am always late for his collabs, hopefully I'll be able to secure a spot next time
Is it okay to reserve a spot in advance?octowave wrote:
i already have a date decided for the next one if that helps-Remi wrote:
I am always late for his collabs, hopefully I'll be able to secure a spot next time
20th nov 2023
it's a thematic thing