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Kaaruumii

Felixland wrote:

Karmine wrote:

B0ii wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

what this guy did, I remember him just being a random

Kaaruumii wrote:

whos that im curious
This is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.

community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will die
I never realized that some people can devote their entire soul to a single forum
But this is OT after all...
People do that on every social media tbh, it's sad af
People are willing to do life threatening stuff fir followers/subscribers.
guys if i reach 1000 followers i will throw lucario off of the grand canyon! (NOT CLICKBAIT) (GONE WRONG) (WRONG CANYON)
Nuuskamuikkunen

Stomiks wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

what this guy did, I remember him just being a random

Kaaruumii wrote:

whos that im curious
This is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.

community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
I guess that was when I was gone because I didn't remember that dude at all.
I lost about 4.5% of my braincells now.
Topic Starter
abraker

NOTICE

As time marches on we find ourselves questioning what it means to become denizen. The OT Royal Society has first defined it in terms of activity. When that was then found insufficient by the OT!Government it was changed to time spent in this place. While this has worked for the previous generation, it has become increasingly apparent as of late the problems of justifying someone as denizen despite time spent here. This is why the OT!Governement has passed a vote: Denizen candidates chosen by the OT!Government shall now submit their own reasoning for why they should be considered for denizenship. Candidates shall be DM'd when they qualify, and only if approved, shall their denizenship be announced.
Kaaruumii
i know my dumbass mind will fuck it up and post a meme in response lawl
Polyspora

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

As time marches on we find ourselves questioning what it means to become denizen. The OT Royal Society has first defined it in terms of activity. When that was then found insufficient by the OT!Government it was changed to time spent in this place. While this has worked for the previous generation, it has become increasingly apparent as of late the problems of justifying someone as denizen despite time spent here. This is why the OT!Governement has passed a vote: Denizen candidates chosen by the OT!Government shall now submit their own reasoning for why they should be considered for denizenship. Candidates shall be DM'd when they qualify, and only if approved, shall their denizenship be announced.
cute pfp
Patatitta
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
Topic Starter
abraker

Patatitta wrote:

what are you seeking in the answers tho?
a list of contributions to OT will suffice
Patatitta

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

what are you seeking in the answers tho?
a list of contributions to OT will suffice
what would you define as a contributiont tho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old system
Polyspora

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

what are you seeking in the answers tho?
a list of contributions to OT will suffice
hey I'm really cool can I get denizenship please? uwU uwU *hugs you* pleaseeee *take your pants down* <3<3<3
Topic Starter
abraker

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

what are you seeking in the answers tho?
a list of contributions to OT will suffice
what would you define as a contributiont ho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old system
if that "anything" you list is insufficient, then denizenship would be denied. So list your best contributions
Patatitta

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

what are you seeking in the answers tho?
a list of contributions to OT will suffice
what would you define as a contributiont ho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old system
if that "anything" you list is insufficient, then denizenship would be denied. So list your best contributions
seems very ambiguous and that you guys haven't really fixed the core issue but ok
Kaaruumii
gen 9 gonna only have like 3 or 4 people lol
Ymir
Generations usually last long enough to get a good amount of members, I think.

As for this new system, why would the OT!Gov even qualify someone without knowing the reasoning themselves.
igorsprite

Kaaruumii wrote:

gen 9 gonna only have like 3 or 4 people lol
xD
synthwavesquid
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ShinRun

octowave wrote:

am i allowed to be excluded from denizenship as a whole? if it's going to be like this? it does nothing but make me want to post in ot less. knowing nothing i do would contribute to it would be a fucking relief. i just want to post things, not stress over whether or not i'm "good enough" by some arbitrary standards
You can certainly decide to not become a denizen if you wish so
Kaaruumii

octowave wrote:

am i allowed to be excluded from denizenship as a whole? if it's going to be like this? it does nothing but make me want to post in ot less. knowing nothing i do would contribute to it would be a fucking relief. i just want to post things, not stress over whether or not i'm "good enough" by some arbitrary standards
synthwavesquid
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ShinRun
Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
Rigbyuis

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
now that makes a lot of sense :D
Nuuskamuikkunen

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
I think that going back to the certain number of posts whithin a certain amount of time, but instead to a fixed number, there must be like an average of how much a person has posted in that time and thus has been known by the community. As for the current requirements, I think it's now absurdly difficult and if I entered OT at this time I wouldn't have even been bothered being active.
Puck_
Ok.
[ Sebastian ]
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
ClevelandsMyBro

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter
Kaaruumii

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter
starting to feel like the first one now
Jarcrafted

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter
*puts badge on your shirt*
Congrats on wasting your life here, we're proud
Ymir
The definition of Denizenship shifted naturally
ClevelandsMyBro

Kaaruumii wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter
starting to feel like the first one now
the current rules says otherwise
Kaaruumii

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Kaaruumii wrote:

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter
starting to feel like the first one now
the current rules says otherwise
To me it's pretty vague, im guessing a big time requirement and "contributions" which I really don't understand what that exactly means and feeling like I can be rejected because I posted something that was "insufficient" it overall makes me confused and not want to try at all, maybe I'm thinking too deep about it lmao
MrMcMikey22
gen 9 is basically padoru war at this point xP
Ymir
Not really
Scyla
I'm sure to be rejected so I'll reject it first
Mindset
Patatitta
IMO the problem is that this new change fixes literally nothing, it's just obscuring the process that goes into becoming denizen instead of actually taking and solving the problem from the root of it, meaning, actually give a proper definition to what denizen really means, currently contribution is just a buzz word, since no one really knows what classifies as one,

is making a low effort post enough? no?, is high effort enough? what is even high effort? does it need to contribute to the lore? the thread must be active?, is time still a factor? none of this questions have really been answered
[ Sebastian ]

Patatitta wrote:

IMO the problem is that this new change fixes literally nothing, it's just obscuring the process that goes into becoming denizen instead of actually taking and solving the problem from the root of it, meaning, actually give a proper definition to what denizen really means, currently contribution is just a buzz word, since no one really knows what classifies as one,

is making a low effort post enough? no?, is high effort enough? what is even high effort? does it need to contribute to the lore? the thread must be active?, is time still a factor? none of this questions have really been answered
Yeah. There needs to be a clear definition of what counts as a contribution.
ClevelandsMyBro
2k post woooooo
igorsprite
you guys should reduce the requirement to 2 months again
[ Sebastian ]

igorsprite wrote:

you guys should reduce the requirement to 2 months again
I think that's too little, and this is coming from someone who's been active for 2 months.
Karmine

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
Why not make the second part what's required for denizenship (without making it too hard) instead of just giving denizenship to basically everyone?

Say denizenship requires actually doing something that will get you recognized and appreciated by denizens, and let people apply with a list of what they consider good contributions they made. Denizens would then vote whether they think these contributions are actually good or not.
That would let us see what everyone considers a good contribution and weed out those who apply without doing anything. People who don't want to be denizen would simply not apply.
It would help keep denizens more or less coherent in what they think OT should be like and avoid big conflicts and disagreements like we have here.
Meta would still shift with time thanks to old denizens leaving and new ones always being at least slightly different from their elders.
[ Sebastian ]

Karmine wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
Why not make the second part what's required for denizenship (without making it too hard) instead of just giving denizenship to basically everyone?

Say denizenship requires actually doing something that will get you recognized and appreciated by denizens, and let people apply with a list of what they consider good contributions they made. Denizens would then vote whether they think these contributions are actually good or not.
That would let us see what everyone considers a good contribution and weed out those who apply without doing anything. People who don't want to be denizen would simply not apply.
It would help keep denizens more or less coherent in what they think OT should be like and avoid big conflicts and disagreements like we have here.
Meta would still shift with time thanks to old denizens leaving and new ones always being at least slightly different from their elders.
This is by far the best solution I heard. I know that you plan on not having people wait 8 months to apply, but will there be a shorter wait time like 2 months?
Karmine

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
Why not make the second part what's required for denizenship (without making it too hard) instead of just giving denizenship to basically everyone?

Say denizenship requires actually doing something that will get you recognized and appreciated by denizens, and let people apply with a list of what they consider good contributions they made. Denizens would then vote whether they think these contributions are actually good or not.
That would let us see what everyone considers a good contribution and weed out those who apply without doing anything. People who don't want to be denizen would simply not apply.
It would help keep denizens more or less coherent in what they think OT should be like and avoid big conflicts and disagreements like we have here.
Meta would still shift with time thanks to old denizens leaving and new ones always being at least slightly different from their elders.
This is by far the best solution I heard. I know that you plan on not having people wait 8 months to apply, but will there be a shorter wait time like 2 months?
No need for time I guess, since people could apply anyone who hasn't been long will hardly have any meaningful contribution to show.
Ymir
Either 8 months or longer is my opinion, gamers.
Anything else is fine as long as that's there.
ShinRun
Shortening the wait time to become denizen is not a smart idea
Rigbyuis
i think that a denizen should be someone that posts currently and, as the word says, he dwells in the ot circle, so no need of big contribution, only of activity in a period of time, which is why i think that 8 monts of activity is alright without the "contribution" part
ShinRun

eblf2013 wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.

Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.

On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.

Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
I think that going back to the certain number of posts whithin a certain amount of time, but instead to a fixed number, there must be like an average of how much a person has posted in that time and thus has been known by the community. As for the current requirements, I think it's now absurdly difficult and if I entered OT at this time I wouldn't have even been bothered being active.
Constant activity is very important so maybe like at least 20 post a month or so
[ Sebastian ]
6 months is a good amount of time to see if someone is active on OT.
Patatitta
still a non-solution, you're just hoping that after a while there will be a concesus between the denizens to know what is vote-worthy, the moment more denizens join with different ideas then we would be back to square one, that's just a patch to try to make the system less likely to fall appart, but there still wont be a strong concesus on what really counts as a good enough contribution
Polyspora

ShinRun wrote:

Shortening the wait time to become denizen is not a smart idea
igorsprite
patatitta will lead the resistance and create a new society called "outsiders" to compete with the denizens, and all this discussion will start the great OT war o:
[ Sebastian ]

ShinRun wrote:

Shortening the wait time to become denizen is not a smart idea
Rigbyuis

igorsprite wrote:

patatitta will lead the resistance and create a new society called "outsiders" to compete with the denizens, and all this discussion will start the great OT war o:
It's not going to be a war, it's going to be something like "The ot social question"

look at the main page, there's always the ot coalition, ot government announcement, random new faction and my statement about x and y on top 10

i know it's rp, but all those threads have non rp parts on them that relate to the denizen problem or new features to OT
Topic Starter
abraker

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
igorsprite

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
it's me o/
KeikiEnjoyer
Oh god
Stomiks
LMAOOOO BEST DECISION EVER
Cerno
oh lord
Nuuskamuikkunen
Oof.

Maybe scratching the names from the images or an X over them would be cool.
Kaaruumii
This man got sent back to lumbridge
Nuuskamuikkunen

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
At least three should be quitted.
[ Sebastian ]
Nice 👍
z0z
i kinda forgot that they ever were?
Hoshimegu Mio
On denizenship, I agree with Karmine that time requirements should be removed, and only contributions matter. Or it could be multiple different sets of requirements to satisfy everyone’s style.
Zelzatter Zero
to think the only notable active 7th gen denizen is Corne, Cleveland and Wither.

time flies.
Corne2Plum3
They can revoke denizenship now?
Hoshimegu Mio

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

to think the only notable active 7th gen denizen is Corne, Cleveland and Wither.

time flies.
Nooooo you forgot me!
Nuuskamuikkunen

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

to think the only notable active 7th gen denizen is Corne, Cleveland and Wither.

time flies.
Zel.... I've literally been posting every day.
Corne2Plum3

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

to think the only notable active 7th gen denizen is Corne, Cleveland and Wither.

time flies.
There are others
Patatitta
I dont like this direction



/out
Rigbyuis

Patatitta wrote:

I dont like this direction



/out
out of what?
Patatitta

Rigbyuis wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I dont like this direction



/out
out of what?
I'm not going to try becoming denizen in this current system
ShinRun
I believe that being active on OT for 8 months is already enough of a contribution and denizen should and not based off total contribution.
Like what Pataitta said, we really gotta ask what being a denizen mean.

I think a denizen should be more of a badge of dedication for people that have stayed on the forum for a certain period of time like 8 months but also while being semi active. This is the least bias way to give denizenship out to people.
Karmine

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
Based af
Rigbyuis

ShinRun wrote:

I believe that being active on OT for 8 months is already enough of a contribution and denizen should and not based off total contribution.
Like what Pataitta said, we really gotta ask what being a denizen mean.

I think a denizen should be more of a badge of dedication for people that have stayed on the forum for a certain period of time like 8 months but also while being semi active. This is the least bias way to give denizenship out to people.
^
im totally agree (in fact, i could realistically say that you readed my mind because i have the exact same thoughts on the problem), the "badge thing" is something i have thought about before but didnt know how to put it in words. hope this criteria and meaning for the denizen concept gets to be final result of these discussions
Corne2Plum3

eblf2013 wrote:

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
At least three should be quitted.
who?
Polyspora
thats not cool, whatever.

I know Igor is not the best human being in the world and abraker is done with his shit, but I still think a restriction is more reasonable than taking away things he contributed to this community and his history here.

why cant he have the same fate as IppE?
- Marco -

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
W



ShinRun wrote:

I believe that being active on OT for 8 months is already enough of a contribution and denizen should and not based off total contribution.
Like what Pataitta said, we really gotta ask what being a denizen mean.

I think a denizen should be more of a badge of dedication for people that have stayed on the forum for a certain period of time like 8 months but also while being semi active. This is the least bias way to give denizenship out to people.
Is it retroactive? Asking for a forum friend
Puck_
Holy shit.
Nuuskamuikkunen

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
At least three should be quitted.
who?
Flanster, Ashton and most likely ppl that earned denizenship then went poof.
Polyspora

eblf2013 wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

abraker wrote:

NOTICE

For the first time in OT history the OT! Parliament has passed a vote to revoke denizenship. It is well deserved and serves as a warning against behavior many find inappropriate for this subforum and its health. I am not going to announce who it is since they deserve no spotlight, but I'm sure most of you can figure it out.
At least three should be quitted.
who?
Flanster, Ashton and most likely ppl that earned denizenship then went poof.
Flanster :skull:
ghoulybits

Polyspora wrote:

thats not cool, whatever.

I know Igor is not the best human being in the world and abraker is done with his shit, but I still think a restriction is more reasonable than taking away things he contributed to this community and his history here.

why cant he have the same fate as IppE?
I would personally love for igorsprite's account to be restricted, but that is not something in my power.

Quite frankly, igorsprite's contributions to OT are as follows
  1. Some mildly hee-hee-inducing necros from a couple years ago
  2. Countless posts where he admits to being a (post immediately gets nuked, but both you and I know what word that goes here)
Denizenship has to do with contributions, yes, but more specifically positive contributions. Do we want to celebrate someone who physically can't stop posting about (sentence redacted but you also get the picture)? It is of my opinion, and the opinion of the vast majority of the OT!Government that any positive contributions that igorsprite has made on this subforum have been heavily outweighed by the sheer amount of times he has been given (quite frankly, undeserved) second chances and immediately disregarded them. He has been given numerous opportunities, and he has chosen every single time to not take them.
Polyspora

ghoulybits wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

thats not cool, whatever.

I know Igor is not the best human being in the world and abraker is done with his shit, but I still think a restriction is more reasonable than taking away things he contributed to this community and his history here.

why cant he have the same fate as IppE?
I would personally love for igorsprite's account to be restricted, but that is not something in my power.

Quite frankly, igorsprite's contributions to OT are as follows
  1. Some mildly hee-hee-inducing necros from a couple years ago
  2. Countless posts where he admits to being a (post immediately gets nuked, but both you and I know what word that goes here)
Denizenship has to do with contributions, yes, but more specifically positive contributions. Do we want to celebrate someone who physically can't stop posting about (sentence redacted but you also get the picture)? It is of my opinion, and the opinion of the vast majority of the OT!Government that any positive contributions that igorsprite has made on this subforum have been heavily outweighed by the sheer amount of times he has been given (quite frankly, undeserved) second chances and immediately disregarded them. He has been given numerous opportunities, and he has chosen every single time to not take them.
fair
ShinRun
Ashton should also be removed
[ Sebastian ]
Wait, so is igor a Cosmodore?
WitherMite

ShinRun wrote:

Ashton should also be removed
idk, ashton wasnt nearly as bad as igorsprite (just annoying vs being open about that), and from what I remember did have some actual good contributions.
ShinRun

WitherMite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ashton should also be removed
idk, ashton wasnt nearly as bad as igorsprite (just annoying vs being open about that), and from what I remember did have some actual good contributions.
Well he opening doxxed ColdTooth tho
WitherMite

ShinRun wrote:

WitherMite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ashton should also be removed
idk, ashton wasnt nearly as bad as igorsprite (just annoying vs being open about that), and from what I remember did have some actual good contributions.
Well he opening doxxed ColdTooth tho
oh right
[ Sebastian ]

ShinRun wrote:

WitherMite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ashton should also be removed
idk, ashton wasnt nearly as bad as igorsprite (just annoying vs being open about that), and from what I remember did have some actual good contributions.
Well he opening doxxed ColdTooth tho
Doxxing is inexcusable.
Aireunaeus

ShinRun wrote:

WitherMite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ashton should also be removed
idk, ashton wasnt nearly as bad as igorsprite (just annoying vs being open about that), and from what I remember did have some actual good contributions.
Well he opening doxxed ColdTooth tho
luckily i didn't join ot on the 4th generation 😮‍💨
igorsprite

[ Sebastian ] wrote:

Wait, so is igor a Cosmodore?
no. despite being a horrible person, i never did anything bad to be restricted
Scyla
Good or bad, I don't really like removing pieces of history. OT about to become North Korea
Tad Fibonacci
Removing undeserving individuals from a list made to nominate people isn't censoring history.
Nuuskamuikkunen

Scyla wrote:

Good or bad, I don't really like removing pieces of history. OT about to become North Korea
Hey we can at least have NKPOP!
JustABeginner
Yikes.

Anyways, I don't get obsessed with being denizen as much as I used to last time. But losing a title because of a serious bad behaviour is considered to be a wake up call to help improvise yourself.

idk

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I miss my 7th Gen friends.
z0z

JustABeginner wrote:

Yikes.

Anyways, I don't get obsessed with being denizen as much as I used to last time. But losing a title because of a serious bad behaviour is considered to be a wake up call to help improvise yourself.

idk

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I miss my 7th Gen friends.
not many of us are here but we're here
Scyla
I'd opt out of becoming denizen as well. Gonna join The Rejects 😎
Hoshimegu Mio

z0z wrote:

JustABeginner wrote:

Yikes.

Anyways, I don't get obsessed with being denizen as much as I used to last time. But losing a title because of a serious bad behaviour is considered to be a wake up call to help improvise yourself.

idk

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I miss my 7th Gen friends.
not many of us are here but we're here
Manishh
This is fucked up at this point



I am revoking my denizensship

/out
Patatitta
I think removing people who did bad stuff in the past is fine, but it's a very fine line, personally I would have not done this, deal and learn from your loses

problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
[ Sebastian ]

Patatitta wrote:

...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.
WitherMite
going from revoking denizen from someone openly being into illegal shit, bringing that into their threads/posts and making it their identity, even after being exiled to retroactively revoking denizenship or kicking out people who speak out is quite a bit more than "one step away"

Its not our fault osu doesnt see what igor's been doing as a bannable offense.
igorsprite

WitherMite wrote:

going from revoking denizen from someone openly being into illegal shit, bringing that into their threads/posts and making it their identity, even after being exiled to retroactively revoking denizenship or kicking out people who speak out is quite a bit more than "one step away"

Its not our fault osu doesnt see what igor's been doing as a bannable offense.
what did i do that is illegal? O.o
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