Alright, I read the whole thread and I'm ready to put my two cents in.
First, we need to clearly define "What is Loved supposed to accomplish" because surely we don't have this whole category to be cute, right?
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First, we need to clearly define "What is Loved supposed to accomplish" because surely we don't have this whole category to be cute, right?
So we define "Loved" as attempting to highlight and immortalize maps that deserve attention or are cult classics, but explicitly do not and will not fit the criteria to be ranked. So, what's the best way to accomplish this task while avoiding pitfalls, explits, and controversy such as:Ephemeral wrote:
Over the years, a common complaint with the ranking cycle has been that it is fairly restricted for most people [...] especially if it tailors to a distinctive audience, or seeks to attempt gameplay paradigms that are not allowed by the current Ranking Criteria.
- The creator of the map can easily manipulate the system to glorify themselves at the expense of the goal of the system.
- Modders have a very controversial extra ability to impact the process.
- Too many maps enter the Loved category too quickly.
- osu!standard gets almost all of the slots because it's got the lions share of players.
- The qualifier has multiple requirements that may not all be met, and are balanced together in a manner that attracts controversy in terms of unfair weighting between requirements.
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Couldn't agree more. That seems to be the case as to why kudosu is involved - because the staff have failed to incentivize modding properly, so the reward for modding is being shoehorned into this system, to the system's explicit detriment and abuse.burntcedar13 wrote:
we're involving sp because it's actually worthless otherwise [...] the loved section is supposed to be about the community (which is mostly players), not mappers.
Do they know more about fun than the community, or do they know more about rules?melloe wrote:
[the modders] make the maps for you to play and they know more about mapping than the community
Why are the people who focus on making something rankable whether it is fun or not getting an undue say on literally the exact opposite type of mapping category?A severe dunking wrote:
Ephemeral wrote:
I'm not sure I can get behind the idea of removing SP qualification from the system entirely - the modding community should have some sort of investment in the system themselves given the work they both undertake to make it a thing in the first place.chainpullz wrote:
The modding community works to make the ranked section a thing. If a map is getting heavily modded it should be getting ranked not loved.