I'm really concerned because of what he's been posting about lately. anyone else feel the same way?
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is anyone else concerned about sametdze?
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yeah... im a bit worried abt him (;o o)
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What exactly did he post that makes you think that?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
I'm really concerned because of what he's been posting about lately. anyone else feel the same way?
likely the gun spreadsheet, randomly saying "bushmaster xm15" (a gun which was used in a shooting), gun videos in the "last youtube video you watched" thread, maybe my reddit account, zero day references and this video which depicts someone who looks extremely simillar to seung hui cho (guy who killed people with guns) singing to some rap songsWinnyace wrote:
What exactly did he post that makes you think that?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
I'm really concerned because of what he's been posting about lately. anyone else feel the same way?
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
having concerns would be understandable and sympathetic at face-value, particularly if you're not familiarized with a good variety of people in different corners the internet beyond cozy and silly youtube videos;; if you've seen a variety of people fixate on something contentious and taboo, you might notice it isnt super uncommon to then have an interest in the things that make up part of that controversy/taboo (or sometimes vice versa, their interest in the technicality and utility of something becomes associated with a controversy/taboo that they then become curious about)
lots of people are curious about subjects directly surrounding people who can hurt others. sometimes it is called "true crime", sometimes it is called "drama", and a lot of people there want every detail about the inner lives of their subjects. samet maybe is somewhere in the periphery of that, i imagine, with a custom scope of what composes his specific interests and curiosities, though i wouldn't know how that works exactly
and yet, it is important to distinguish between [the discomfort of something you deeply believed to be irreconcilably unsettling due to easily worrying associations with a notorious criminal who had the same interests], and [insert notorious criminal]. at the same time, suspension of belief is not mandatory and sometimes people really are worryingly capable of violence, while being disaffected and uninterested/unconvinced that there is any problem. and yet, anyone can believe something they do is not a problem. so it is weirdly ambiguous because of that plausible deniability in how diverse people can be in their behavior and interests and humor
...not that i never felt uncomfortable myself, i'm actually quite unsettled instinctually because i'm not really familiar enough with this to normalize it in my brain. i i too prefer cozy youtube video spaces lol :p
but i trust samet is ok! i know i have a bad habit of whiteknighting people i want to believe are ok (i have repeatedly had this happen and gotten myself stuck with people i feared but wanted to "help"), and you never totally can know a person but like, sometimes humans are weird and yet theyre still ok and Not A Homocider
lots of people are curious about subjects directly surrounding people who can hurt others. sometimes it is called "true crime", sometimes it is called "drama", and a lot of people there want every detail about the inner lives of their subjects. samet maybe is somewhere in the periphery of that, i imagine, with a custom scope of what composes his specific interests and curiosities, though i wouldn't know how that works exactly
and yet, it is important to distinguish between [the discomfort of something you deeply believed to be irreconcilably unsettling due to easily worrying associations with a notorious criminal who had the same interests], and [insert notorious criminal]. at the same time, suspension of belief is not mandatory and sometimes people really are worryingly capable of violence, while being disaffected and uninterested/unconvinced that there is any problem. and yet, anyone can believe something they do is not a problem. so it is weirdly ambiguous because of that plausible deniability in how diverse people can be in their behavior and interests and humor
...not that i never felt uncomfortable myself, i'm actually quite unsettled instinctually because i'm not really familiar enough with this to normalize it in my brain. i i too prefer cozy youtube video spaces lol :p
but i trust samet is ok! i know i have a bad habit of whiteknighting people i want to believe are ok (i have repeatedly had this happen and gotten myself stuck with people i feared but wanted to "help"), and you never totally can know a person but like, sometimes humans are weird and yet theyre still ok and Not A Homocider
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honestly kinda, seems to want to get rid of their train roots and become "more cool", which is a bad idea, it just that puberty seems to be hitting
i'm not saying you're going to be a school shooter but you literally mentioned columbine on another thread right nowsametdze wrote:
gng thinks im a future school shooter 😭
That's my impression too. He shouldn't be afraid if his interests are things like trains.Patatitta wrote:
honestly kinda, seems to want to get rid of their train roots and become "more cool", which is a bad idea, it just that puberty seems to be hitting
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“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
likely the gun spreadsheet, randomly saying "bushmaster xm15" (a gun which was used in a shooting), gun videos in the "last youtube video you watched" thread, maybe my reddit account, zero day references and this video which depicts someone who looks extremely simillar to seung hui cho (guy who killed people with guns) singing to some rap songsWinnyace wrote:
What exactly did he post that makes you think that?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
I'm really concerned because of what he's been posting about lately. anyone else feel the same way?
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
(revision #16, i overthink a little, but hopefully this is balanced well enough to be a proportionate response)MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
likely the gun spreadsheet, randomly saying "bushmaster xm15" (a gun which was used in a shooting), gun videos in the "last youtube video you watched" thread, maybe my reddit account, zero day references and this video which depicts someone who looks extremely simillar to seung hui cho (guy who killed people with guns) singing to some rap songs
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
...as much as i'm sympathizing with being concerned... you appear this confident and insistent, on account of what, in service of what?
i dont really want to presume guilt here about people i barely know
(and i dont mean to minimize what you seem to be fearing, subjects of gravity have gravity, but i hope we can sort of... be more explorative? introspective with our impressions here? something like that, in order to contextualize what's happening here as we compare our thoughts about one sole person in the forum that appears conspicuous)
like if youre worried and wary, that is ok to feel and you can keep your distance if you like, but im not sure what youre hoping to see from this. because we surely could adopt that premise, and work from there, but:
do you want social ostracization? a mental health checkup of some kind? in what way do you reason that these things would help someone? would you just like for us to say that "i guess it is worrying to hear this person fixate on the mechanical properties of guns and be seemingly flippant about school shooters/shootings", despite knowing there is more interiority and substance in a person than that? what do we do next?
(granted, correlation is still meaningful, but i'm not interested in what this seems to be funnelling into)
in whatever case you believe is true, this thread does not seem to help anyone or remedy anything. if this isn't want you intend to express, then... this is an appeal to our senses to pause and consider what we're doing here
Why he isn't fine?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
this has happened to me
:sob:Patatitta wrote:
this has happened to me
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it's in what he's been posting. if anything, i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...Winnyace wrote:
Why he isn't fine?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
you WHAT??????????MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...
we inferred that much of what you're insinuating, but... will we maybe think about what we're looking for with this? you may carry your impressions with you, but it might be important to read the room and consider that most people probably at least had this question float around long before you targeted him with this thread, then shelved it off to the side to actually consider more about sametdze as a personMaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
it's in what he's been posting. if anything, i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...Winnyace wrote:
Why he isn't fine?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
but like, i'm not sure what you're expecting him or us to think or do when he probably already agrees with you, and has addressed what he thinks you're worried about
i've been growing to believe you might be talking past people, so... this conversation could benefit from some mutual substantive feedback :/
I don't believe sametdze would kill someone. Just because someone talks about guns doesn't mean they want to kill someone. Just because one posts memes regarding an idiot who killed people doesn't mean they aspire to kill someone. If sametdze aspires to do that, he should get professional help, but that's not your responsibility, neither should it be your concern. Being concerned about this is natural and to some degree, admirable, but you don't have that much power to change anything about situation. Unless you guys talk in private and are good friends outside of this little forum, perhaps it would be better for you, mentally, to not worry so much about sametdze's mannerisms.MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
it's in what he's been posting. if anything, i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...Winnyace wrote:
Why he isn't fine?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
+1, admittedly far more succinct and charitably measuredWinnyace wrote:
I don't believe sametdze would kill someone. Just because someone talks about guns doesn't mean they want to kill someone. Just because one posts memes regarding an idiot who killed people doesn't mean they aspire to kill someone. If sametdze aspires to do that, he should get professional help, but that's not your responsibility, neither should it be your concern. Being concerned about this is natural and to some degree, admirable, but you don't have that much power to change anything about situation. Unless you guys talk in private and are good friends outside of this little forum, perhaps it would be better for you, mentally, to not worry so much about sametdze's mannerisms.MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
it's in what he's been posting. if anything, i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...Winnyace wrote:
Why he isn't fine?MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
“I am fine”sametdze wrote:
this is what i think is what makes max concerned about me. as i said earlier, there is no reason to have concerns, i am fine.
No you are not
I didn't know the train dude had lore
all im going to say is that the moment something catastrophic happens, federal agents are gunna come peeping in off-topic and dig up everything about them and even this thread
in which case, should an event happen (im not saying it will happen, im just hypothetically saying), all i will say is a simple hello and that i do not wish to be a part of whatever investigation goes on because of something on the opposite end of the planet
in which case, should an event happen (im not saying it will happen, im just hypothetically saying), all i will say is a simple hello and that i do not wish to be a part of whatever investigation goes on because of something on the opposite end of the planet
sameColdTooth wrote:
all im going to say is that the moment something catastrophic happens, federal agents are gunna come peeping in off-topic and dig up everything about them and even this thread
in which case, should an event happen (im not saying it will happen, im just hypothetically saying), all i will say is a simple hello and that i do not wish to be a part of whatever investigation goes on because of something on the opposite end of the planet
im going to be honest, the OP is hilarious to me
i have absolutely no intention to harm anyone, wether it be through guns or knives or bombs. i have an interest in adam lanza, but i definitely wouldn't go out of my way to do what he did. even if i wanted to, it is pretty much impossible for me to own a gun. i don't even have a gun license, nobody in my family has a gun license. while i understand your concerns, there is no need.
and so is this. its like a child saying, "there's a monster under my bed!" despite that the parent has made it very clear to the child that there is no monster.MaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
it's in what he's been posting. if anything, i suspect something dangerous, most likely fatal to people in his area...
tldr: i have made it clear to you multiple times that i have zero intention to hurt people with guns. you don't know me, i don't know you, so why worry?
what i mean by this is that i find it funny that you keep going "this guy isnt ok mentally!! he's gonna do something bad!!" when i have made it clear that i do not want to hurt anyone and i don't have thoughts of hurting anyone. i have told you quite a few times that you don't need to be concerned. yet, you still continue to keep that "he'll do something bad!" idea. but do i blame you for thinking this? no, but i think after a while of the person that you're worried about saying that they're fine and that you shouldn't worry about them, it's probably a good idea to take their word and accept that they're fine. many other users have taken my word for it, so why can't you? i don't know if you've gone through anything that might trigger your concerns, and i also don't know if i've completely disregarded something when asking you that question, but again, i don't know, and i apologise for not knowing. i'd also like to add that, you don't know me, and i don't know you. you're a person who literally lives on the opposite side of the world to me. why would you worry?
i will say this though; take it the way i do. i know this might sound ridiculous to you since you obviously don't trust me, but i hope you'll at least listen and maybe consider it. you see, i interact on r/adamlanza. it's a place filled with people who have an interest with adam. it's filled with people who could arguably be future school shooters. but, do i worry about them? no. why? because, for fucks sake, they don't matter to me. i really don't know them outside of a username and some text and same can be said for the person on the other end.
now, if i were to shoot up a school, and the police were to interview you, what would they get from you? maybe some things that could be interpreted as warnings, but really nothing outside of things i've said on OT. my family could actually give the police the information they need, such as my behaviour leading up to the event, how i interacted with people at school, so on and so fourth. do you realise something within this example? the people know me that should genuinely be worried about me can actually provide helpful information, yet the people that know me but shouldn't be worried about me can't provide helpful information. (un)shockingly, my family doesn't care because they know i wouldn't do such a thing. you care because you don't know if i would actually do such a thing. do you see my point?
even though i've said this to you multiple times, i will say it again just in case.
i will say this though; take it the way i do. i know this might sound ridiculous to you since you obviously don't trust me, but i hope you'll at least listen and maybe consider it. you see, i interact on r/adamlanza. it's a place filled with people who have an interest with adam. it's filled with people who could arguably be future school shooters. but, do i worry about them? no. why? because, for fucks sake, they don't matter to me. i really don't know them outside of a username and some text and same can be said for the person on the other end.
now, if i were to shoot up a school, and the police were to interview you, what would they get from you? maybe some things that could be interpreted as warnings, but really nothing outside of things i've said on OT. my family could actually give the police the information they need, such as my behaviour leading up to the event, how i interacted with people at school, so on and so fourth. do you realise something within this example? the people know me that should genuinely be worried about me can actually provide helpful information, yet the people that know me but shouldn't be worried about me can't provide helpful information. (un)shockingly, my family doesn't care because they know i wouldn't do such a thing. you care because you don't know if i would actually do such a thing. do you see my point?
even though i've said this to you multiple times, i will say it again just in case.
i have absolutely no intention to harm anyone, wether it be through guns or knives or bombs. i have an interest in adam lanza, but i definitely wouldn't go out of my way to do what he did. even if i wanted to, it is pretty much impossible for me to own a gun. i don't even have a gun license, nobody in my family has a gun license. while i understand your concerns, there is no need.
it cannot get any clearer than this :pensive:
we could literally be wrong in the moderately-rare chance of already-typically-rare criminal events, and this still would barely matter beyond perhaps the moral premise of "i knew this boy would do this, i was right to tell everyone, and we should've done something!" like if you have something meaningful to offer then you could at least present some rationale, something more than vaguely pointing to what we already know and explicitly talk about... otherwise, this isnt much more than rumourous speculative libel that typically does not serve many purposes other than ostracization/alienation or some kind of legal counsel/investigation for someone who has not Done nor Implied anything we could possibly see used in litigation, nor is there that much precedent for us to forcefully alienate/ostracize him
he hasn't harrassed or stalked users, hasn't expressively been grossly sexist or discriminatory on the basis of arbitrary minimally-if-at-all-mutable demographic characteristics. im not sure i understand the insistence here, and im grateful sametdze seems merely amused but im kind of just entirely bewildered o.o
we could literally be wrong in the moderately-rare chance of already-typically-rare criminal events, and this still would barely matter beyond perhaps the moral premise of "i knew this boy would do this, i was right to tell everyone, and we should've done something!" like if you have something meaningful to offer then you could at least present some rationale, something more than vaguely pointing to what we already know and explicitly talk about... otherwise, this isnt much more than rumourous speculative libel that typically does not serve many purposes other than ostracization/alienation or some kind of legal counsel/investigation for someone who has not Done nor Implied anything we could possibly see used in litigation, nor is there that much precedent for us to forcefully alienate/ostracize him
he hasn't harrassed or stalked users, hasn't expressively been grossly sexist or discriminatory on the basis of arbitrary minimally-if-at-all-mutable demographic characteristics. im not sure i understand the insistence here, and im grateful sametdze seems merely amused but im kind of just entirely bewildered o.o
If the police diggs your activity in OT, I think they would most likely interview the staff, peppy... and the GMTs... including me, instead of just random users
me when edgy phase hits, too bad I didnt have an internet friend to worry about me at the time
nah FBI is a shitshow, they would probably just take down the website first and put peppy on a list later lmaoCorne2Plum3 wrote:
If the police diggs your activity in OT, I think they would most likely interview the staff, peppy... and the GMTs... including me, instead of just random users
NOOO I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE PSYCH HOSPITALColdTooth wrote:
all im going to say is that the moment something catastrophic happens, federal agents are gunna come peeping in off-topic and dig up everything about them and even this thread
in which case, should an event happen (im not saying it will happen, im just hypothetically saying), all i will say is a simple hello and that i do not wish to be a part of whatever investigation goes on because of something on the opposite end of the planet
aight seeing as how op presumably doesnt particularly care about the details or consequences of his own insinuations, i think im thankfully kind of over it yippee
+ drop an ominous scaremongering post
+ doesnt elaborate, leaves
i took the bait u.u;; except i imagine it was likely entirely sincere and not completely unfounded, but it was also kind of completely unfounded
+ drop an ominous scaremongering post
+ doesnt elaborate, leaves
i took the bait u.u;; except i imagine it was likely entirely sincere and not completely unfounded, but it was also kind of completely unfounded
lets just move on. there is no need for such scaremongering and no need for posts like these. If there was real concern for peoples safety there would be other interventions put into place.
locking so we can just... move on
locking so we can just... move on