strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.

BUT

nardi11011 wrote:

It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.

he was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.

What bangwagon? ;P

I have to agree but as a Mafia why would he do this at L-2 and not L-1? (I asked BagelBob this in my last "real" post.)

nardi11011 wrote:

I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.

Because no one accused it of not being a random vote? He was never attacked so he wouldn't defend himself. If he did defend himself in advanced that'd looks suspicious because it'd seem as if he had something to hide.

No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

So I don't really see your reasoning here Derekku.

Echo wrote:

In a single sentence:

What strager's been posting are plain facts (reiterating the obvious as explained by BagelBob in his third point), mostly baseless accusations (eg. this post right here, make sure you read previous/next post(s) for context), or blatant coverups of his contradictions (eg. most points in this post).

My vote holds until someone provides a convincing case for strager's behaviour.

That is all.

(edit: found some references)

Derekku Chan wrote:

=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

*suppresses rage*

fine if you WANT to get lynched and be emo instead of helping the town and youre BOUND and DETERMINED to do so despite my attempts to save you, go the fuck ahead. I give up on saving you.

unvote
no vote

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

im not going to respond until i have cooled down cus right now, strager, your impossible "logic" is pissing me off SO much. This game has ceased to be fun for me when everyone instantly objects to every action i make. I thought my logic was clear-cut but you don't seem to be understanding it despite every attempt on my part to educate you. im completely sick of your idiocy.

maybe im overreacting a bit but i feel like im getting attacked every time i try to help. This is a game, not a war zone. I'll try again tomorrow i guess and see if things have improved then.

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz

Read what I quoted from you carefully, and read my response.

strager wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -

Hmm.

nardi11011 wrote:

One thing I don't get: why did strager reveal his role instead of just saying "I was looking at the PM in the OP and was just wondering"?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -

Hmm.

I don't know what you are trying to get at here, but these votes were cast for kuwarudo because he was being annoying. I retracted my vote when he claimed townie right before quitting, and Echo retracted his in his next post for the obvious reason that he was replaced by someone who DOESN'T annoy him.
This really should have been obvious...

strager wrote:

Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.

strager wrote:

with one Mafia

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.

strager wrote:

with one Mafia

read the OP again. There are two Mafia.

strager wrote:

Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

also in retrospect it seems kinda stupid for us to, each Day, roll a n-sided die where n is the number of remaining players and lynch that person off, then expect the mafia to do the same and us to win. takes the entire point out of the game.

:!g++ -g mafia.cpp && ./a.out
Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 2
                Role blocker: 0
        Town:
                Normal: 9
                Doctor: 0
Mafia wins 64.790765% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 78.437500% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

:!for players in MRCDTTTTT MRTTTTTTT MMCTTTTTT MMDTTTTTT; do ./a.out $players; echo; done
Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 1
                Role blocker: 1
        Town:
                Normal: 6
                Doctor: 1

Mafia wins 57.069781% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 65.034042% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 1
                Role blocker: 1
        Town:
                Normal: 7
                Doctor: 0

Mafia wins 70.158730% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 84.375000% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 2
                Role blocker: 0
        Town:
                Normal: 7
                Doctor: 0

Mafia wins 70.158730% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 84.375000% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 2
                Role blocker: 0
        Town:
                Normal: 6
                Doctor: 1

Mafia wins 54.693878% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 61.345564% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

#include <cstdio>

struct Players
{
    enum { NumRoles = 4, NumMafiaRoles = 2, NumTownRoles = 2 };

    union
    {
        struct
        {
            int mafiaNormal, mafiaRoleBlocker;
            int townNormal, townDoctor;
        };

        struct
        {
            int mafiaRoles[NumMafiaRoles];
            int townRoles[NumTownRoles];
        };

        int roles[NumRoles];
    };

    Players()
    {
        for(int i = 0; i < NumRoles; ++i)
            roles[i] = 0;
    }

    int town() const
    {
        return townNormal + townDoctor;
    }

    int mafia() const
    {
        return mafiaNormal + mafiaRoleBlocker;
    }

    int total() const
    {
        return town() + mafia();
    }
};

/* 1 = Mafia win; 0 = Town win. */
double checkPossibilities(Players players, bool lynch = true)
{
    if(players.town() <= players.mafia())
        return 1;

    if(players.mafia() == 0)
        return 0;

    if(lynch)
    {
        double prob = 0;

        for(int role = 0; role < Players::NumRoles; ++role)
        {
            if(players.roles[role] == 0)
                continue;

            double weight = (double)players.roles[role] / players.total();

            Players newPlayers = players;
            --newPlayers.roles[role];

            prob += weight * checkPossibilities(newPlayers, false);
        }

        return prob;
    }

    /* Handle kills. */
    double prob = 0;

    for(int townRole = 0; townRole < Players::NumTownRoles; ++townRole)
    {
        if(players.townRoles[townRole] == 0)
            continue;

        double weight = (double)players.townRoles[townRole] / players.town();

        if(townRole != 1)   /* Doctor can't defend himself. */
        {
            weight *= 1 - (double)players.townDoctor / (players.total() - 1)    /* Doctor(s) defends at random. */
                * (1 - (double)players.mafiaRoleBlocker / (players.town()));    /* Role blocker(s) block Doctor at random. */
        }

        Players newPlayers = players;
        --newPlayers.townRoles[townRole];

        prob += weight * checkPossibilities(newPlayers, true);
    }

    return prob;
}

Players playersFromString(const char *playerString)
{
    Players players;

    for(/* */; *playerString; ++playerString)
    {
        switch(*playerString)
        {
            case 'T':
            case 'C':
                ++players.townNormal;
                break;

            case 'D':
                ++players.townDoctor;
                break;

            case 'M':
                ++players.mafiaNormal;
                break;

            case 'R':
                ++players.mafiaRoleBlocker;
                break;
        }
    }

    return players;
}

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
    if(argc != 2)
    {
        fprintf(stderr, "Argument must be string of players (_M_afia, _R_ole blocker, _T_own, _C_op, _D_octor) e.g. MDTTTTTTT\n");
        return 1;
    }

    Players players = playersFromString(argv[1]);

    printf("Setup:\n");

    printf("\tMafia:\n");
    printf("\t\tNormal: %d\n", players.mafiaNormal);
    printf("\t\tRole blocker: %d\n", players.mafiaRoleBlocker);

    printf("\tTown:\n");
    printf("\t\tNormal: %d\n", players.townNormal);
    printf("\t\tDoctor: %d\n", players.townDoctor);

    printf("\n");

    printf("Mafia wins %f%% of the time with lynch on Day 1\n", checkPossibilities(players, true) * 100);
    printf("Mafia wins %f%% of the time with no lynch on Day 1\n", checkPossibilities(players, false) * 100);

    return 0;
}

strager wrote:

nardi11011 wrote:

One thing I don't get: why did strager reveal his role instead of just saying "I was looking at the PM in the OP and was just wondering"?

Because I don't like lying.

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager, are you NOT fucking listening? There's no point in coding over 9000 lines of code. No lynch day 1 = Free kill for mafia.

Should we also NOT lynch day 2? Day 3?

Like SFG said, I'm starting to wonder about you, strager

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

if we don't lynch today, the mafia get a free kill. im starting to really wonder about you, strager.

That may be true, but with eight players total and one Mafia you'll observe:

:!g++ -g mafia.cpp && ./a.out
Setup:
        Mafia:
                Normal: 1
                Role blocker: 0
        Town:
                Normal: 7
                Doctor: 0
Mafia wins 54.687500% of the time with lynch on Day 1
Mafia wins 45.714286% of the time with no lynch on Day 1

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

nardi11011 wrote:

One thing I don't get: why did strager reveal his role instead of just saying "I was looking at the PM in the OP and was just wondering"?

Because I don't like lying.

I call BS, you meant to claim your roll. I was in the IRC with you before the game started. You could have sent your question as a PM to Suburu. You could have easily said that you were just curious. While lies generally do not help the town, the doctor role-claiming on the first day is worse.

BagelBob wrote:

Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?

BagelBob wrote:

From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?

BagelBob wrote:

And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?

BagelBob wrote:

But you didn't leave them out, and now you ought to explain what you said. Who mixed up a sequence of events and which sequence of events was it? What is it that you misunderstood? Do you need clarification on some matter?

BagelBob wrote:

This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.

BagelBob wrote:

A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell.

BagelBob wrote:

Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case.

strager wrote:

All I meant to say there that one or two of adam, Echo, nardi, and SFG were bandwagonning as a Mafia, not all of them.

BagelBob wrote:

your junk about random voting is this:

strager wrote:

In the first case I deduce one of these to be a Mafia: adam, SFG, nardi
In the third case I deduce these are probably NOT Mafia (because they didn't jump on the bandwagon): Derekku, 0_o

For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was random and SFG's vote was only somewhat random, as was nardi's. So my suspicions for the latter two are above my suspicions for adam. From that I really can't say much more though.

For the third case, 0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful (and will kill me at night) or genuinely trying to help the town. I'm not foolish enough to denounce the former but based on my observation above he may be a Townie more than a Mafia.
I really don't know what to think of Derekku because he hasn't been doing much from what I can see, really. He could be bad at analysis, not have information to discuss, or is smart enough not to talk because he may leak information. So ... not really sure.

BagelBob wrote:

In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting.

Where is this "junk about random voting?"

BagelBob wrote:

Neither of those two pieces of code deals with our set-up. Why are you wasting time with things that don't apply? You can code all day, but when you get down to it, we aren't lynching someone at random.

strager wrote:

Also, some games only have one Mafia and some have three or more. (I know this specific game has two Mafia, but the game of Mafia doesn't have that ultimate rule. I was stating an example earlier.)

0_o wrote:

I think he was just pointing out that there are situations where not lynching would be in our best interests (like if there was one mafia), and he did these calculations to see if this also applied to our situation. And now we know it doesn't.

Chill out guys

Derekku Chan wrote:

strager wrote:

Also, some games only have one Mafia and some have three or more. (I know this specific game has two Mafia, but the game of Mafia doesn't have that ultimate rule. I was stating an example earlier.)

Then what's the fucking point of going through all of this? This game of mafia has TWO people as mafia. =|

EDIT: It should be common sense that it's a bad choice. =)

#forumshit wrote:

20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people

strager wrote:

I feel obligated to post this, hopefully to clarify what some players may know from experience or whatever:

#forumshit wrote:

20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people

0_o wrote:

EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.

#forumshit wrote:

20:21 < strager> I try to help you guys but you discredit me entirely
20:21 < strager> Because it's "common sense"
20:23 < Derekku_Chan> I just don't understand
20:23 < Derekku_Chan> What you were trying to do
20:23 < Derekku_Chan> :/
20:24 < strager|irc> viewtopic.php?p=142855#p142855
20:24 < strager|irc> Read the first white box
20:24 < Derekku_Chan> Yes, I see
20:24 < strager|irc> and the bold after that
20:24 < Derekku_Chan> Yes
20:25 < Derekku_Chan> I just don't get what the point of coding it to check it was
20:25 < Derekku_Chan> >_>
20:25 < strager|irc> viewtopic.php?p=142843#p142843
20:25 < strager|irc> it is POSSIBLE for SOME GAMES for "common sense" to be wrong
20:25 < strager|irc> I was checking if that was the case for THIS GAME.
20:26 < Derekku_Chan> but still, it's a free kill for mafia
20:26 < Derekku_Chan> so i don't get the point
20:26 < Derekku_Chan> lynch or be killed, that's how the game works xd
20:27 < strager|irc> STATISTICS.
20:27 < strager|irc> 20:25 < strager|irc> it is POSSIBLE for SOME GAMES for "common sense" to be wrong
20:27 < Derekku_Chan> Whatever
20:27 < Derekku_Chan> Sorry to upset you
20:27 < strager|irc> And thus statistically it is in the best interest of the town to not vote for the first day
20:28 < strager|irc> in that situation
20:28 < Derekku_Chan> Even though that makes no sense to me
20:28 < Derekku_Chan> :<
20:28 < strager|irc> Then stop posting about things you don't understand
20:28 < strager|irc> Well
20:28 < strager|irc> Stop discrediting things you don't understand.
20:32 < Derekku_Chan> Well, you were supposed to explain it :>
20:33 < strager|irc> I DID.
20:33 < strager|irc> Unless you wanted to know how it works
20:33 < Derekku_Chan> Pretty much
20:33 < strager|irc> In which case I never got that hint.
20:33 < strager|irc> Post asking
20:35 < Derekku_Chan> post'd
20:35 < strager|irc> Coding the program to tell how it thinks
20:35 < strager|irc> atn
20:35 < strager|irc> atm
20:35 < Derekku_Chan> xd

[later]

21:15 < Derekku_Chan> OH
21:15 < Derekku_Chan> that's what you mean
21:16 < Derekku_Chan> but still, at least you'd have a chance of killing someone if you lynched day 1
21:16 < Derekku_Chan> so it really doesnt matter xd
21:16 < Derekku_Chan> killing mafia*
21:16 < strager|irc> Derekku_Chan: Yes
21:16 < strager|irc> Derekku_Chan: That's handled in the probability

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

I feel obligated to post this, hopefully to clarify what some players may know from experience or whatever:

#forumshit wrote:

20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people

Right, because if we did have 1 scum and 7 town, if we lynced every day, lylo would be 3 town 1 scum, instead of 2 town 1 scum. What you keep posting is an 8 person game. We do not have an 8 person game. Stop posting code.

0_o wrote:

Actually, I think your numbers may be off strager, if you scroll down here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk ... party_game)
it says that 9 players with 2 mafia, the town has approximately 21.5% shot at winning.
With 8 players and 2 mafia, it's 29.8%.

So this means that from a statistical point of view, our odds in fact do go up if we choose not to lynch, since it will make it an even number of players (which is conformed to have better odds)

0_o wrote:

Actually, I think your numbers may be off strager, if you scroll down here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk ... party_game)
it says that 9 players with 2 mafia, the town has approximately 21.5% shot at winning.
With 8 players and 2 mafia, it's 29.8%.

strager wrote:

One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?

The second post I may have missed. I have nothing to comment on it though.

strager wrote:

The first post I thought I responded to, but apparently I didn't. Here's my response:

BagelBob wrote:

From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?

That is correct.

BagelBob wrote:

And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?

It was relative suspicion at the time. The list can be disregarded now as my opinion has changed, though.

BagelBob wrote:

And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.

Again, I wasn't trying to explain anything. I WAS re-stating.

strager wrote:

Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell.

Circular reasoning?

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case.

I never said that. The exact thing you quoted:

strager wrote:

All I meant to say there that one or two of adam, Echo, nardi, and SFG were bandwagonning as a Mafia, not all of them.

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

your junk about random voting is this:

In chronological order:

strager wrote:

In the first case I deduce one of these to be a Mafia: adam, SFG, nardi
In the third case I deduce these are probably NOT Mafia (because they didn't jump on the bandwagon): Derekku, 0_o

For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was random and SFG's vote was only somewhat random, as was nardi's. So my suspicions for the latter two are above my suspicions for adam. From that I really can't say much more though.

For the third case, 0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful (and will kill me at night) or genuinely trying to help the town. I'm not foolish enough to denounce the former but based on my observation above he may be a Townie more than a Mafia.
I really don't know what to think of Derekku because he hasn't been doing much from what I can see, really. He could be bad at analysis, not have information to discuss, or is smart enough not to talk because he may leak information. So ... not really sure.

BagelBob wrote:

In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.

strager wrote:

BagelBob wrote:

You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting.

Where is this "junk about random voting?"

The random voting part was for the first case, and the 0_o and Derekku part was for the third case.

strager wrote:

On the first day the first lynch is probably random anyway.

adam2046 wrote:

I do not understand why I am the mafia if Echo is a vanilla, Nardi even less (since I know nothing about him and never see him post much)

Facts and figures please?

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

0_o wrote:

EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.

this does make sense, im going to go back to voting on adam like i should have been doing all along. 67% chance of hitting a mafia sounds great to me, and since im pretty sure Echo is vanilla, that means adam and nardi are the mafia members.

tl;dr vote adam, FOS nardi

Echo wrote:

Even if strager is innocent, the mafia wouldn't jump on since that'd be a huge scum tell.

Echo wrote:

Three things only.

0_o wrote:

EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.

I already answered this back here when SFG asked the same question.

Echo wrote:

And strager/derekku/bagel are talking about the game in IRC, which is against the rules (simple "posted" lines are ok, I guess, but entire convos are a big no-no. ALL proper conversation MUST be in this thread for all to see).

Echo wrote:

edit: I see Suburu has modified the rules slightly, but I still have no guarantee that that is all they talked about in IRC. Post all logs please preferably as an attachment.

Echo wrote:

And finally NO MORE PERCENTAGES they are completely irrelevant

Echo wrote:

If strager is mafia, then of course we won't have the mafia jumping on.

strager wrote:

Even if strager is innocent, the mafia wouldn't jump on since that'd be a huge scum tell.

0_o wrote:

Echo wrote:

If strager is mafia, then of course we won't have the mafia jumping on.

True, this only applies if you believe strager is innocent. And I do.

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Even if strager is innocent, the mafia wouldn't jump on since that'd be a huge scum tell.

Well in that case no one is gonna be lynched since anyone who delivers the final blow is gonna be considered mafia

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Even if strager is innocent, the mafia wouldn't jump on since that'd be a huge scum tell.

Well in that case no one is gonna be lynched since anyone who delivers the final blow is gonna be considered mafia

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Even if strager is innocent, the mafia wouldn't jump on since that'd be a huge scum tell.

Well in that case no one is gonna be lynched since anyone who delivers the final blow is gonna be considered mafia

Nope. It depends on the context; if the last person votes with a valid reason, then it's sweet.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

to other M2 players: this is the last day before we need to have a decision. if we do not decide, the mafia will get a free nightkill while we dither around not lynching people. Change your vote before time runs out~ (wow that sounded DOOM-y lol)

0_o wrote:

From what I remember looking through the first WW game, when adam and yoshikart were mafia, adam was on L-1 and yoshikart didn't say a thing. In fact, every post that he made was either a vote or a vote change, with little to no explaination. So don't think that being quiet means they are innocent; they are just as likely to be a wolf who is afraid of posting something suspicious.

0_o wrote:

That, and throwing someone on L-2 is a pretty effective way of getting them to speak up

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o wrote:

That, and throwing someone on L-2 is a pretty effective way of getting them to speak up

nardi is on L-1 ;/

strager wrote:

Woah there.

Hasty.

I have noticed nardi in the "Users browsing the forum" at the bottom on several occasions and he hasn't posted. So here's what I think.

If he is a Townie, he's going a pretty horrible job at "blending in." He stands out as a lurker and doesn't even attempt to post anything meaningful.
If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses. That's Pretty Gay (tm).

I really doubt a Mafia would sabotage his buddy like that so I'm leaning toward the possibility of him being a Townie.

Yes, I'm defending nardi, but it's not like he's here so he can to defend himself anyway. =\

EDIT: [strike] and added "to" to make sentence more understandable.

0_o wrote:

So.. you are saying that the mafia is incapable of coming up with a valid reason to lynch someone?

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

So.. you are saying that the mafia is incapable of coming up with a valid reason to lynch someone?

That is exactly what I'm saying. There should be no evidence in posts against townies, which means mafia won't be able to bring up a valid reason to lynch a townie.

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

Woah there.

Hasty.

I have noticed nardi in the "Users browsing the forum" at the bottom on several occasions and he hasn't posted. So here's what I think.

If he is a Townie, he's going a pretty horrible job at "blending in." He stands out as a lurker and doesn't even attempt to post anything meaningful.
If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses. That's Pretty Gay (tm).

I really doubt a Mafia would sabotage his buddy like that so I'm leaning toward the possibility of him being a Townie.

Yes, I'm defending nardi, but it's not like he's here so he can to defend himself anyway. =\

EDIT: [strike] and added "to" to make sentence more understandable.

When you say "his buddy" who are you referring to? (nardi is "a Mafia" in that sentence, yes?)

strager/agreeing with 0_o's post wrote:

Indeed. Echo himself used my mistakes as evidence that I am a Mafia, which contradicts what he says here.

Echo wrote:

strager/agreeing with 0_o's post wrote:

Indeed. Echo himself used my mistakes as evidence that I am a Mafia, which contradicts what he says here.

Um lol? You are mafia. No contradiction whatsoever.

Echo wrote:

Until you do that, what I've said stands true.

Echo wrote:

I'll give you a hint, it's the bolded half sentence in the second unquoted paragraph.