*stragerLadySuburu wrote:
Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Derekku, Strager)
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tldr in bold, but it'd be nice if you read the details as well 
And to answer your question I'm impatient because I've been sitting here reading Echo and strager go back and forth with loooong arguments for days and I feel like there hasn't been any progress. I'm getting bored; I just want to get the game moving.
Though now that I think about it, you could probably use the exact same logic against me... lol, well then
Oh well, I'm not confident enough to vote for Echo, and I feel like I don't have a case against anyone else, so yes, right now I guess it's mainly just my gut instincts against adam ^_^ if someone else happens to jump my radar then I will gladly change my vote, but right now he's just the only person I feel comfortable with voting for.
He isn't a zero on my suspicion-o-meter that's for sure, but I think the odds of him being the doctor are worth keeping him around at least for today.
Anything else?
Not sure how me being impatient and me defending strager are correlated...Bagelbob wrote:
0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier?
And to answer your question I'm impatient because I've been sitting here reading Echo and strager go back and forth with loooong arguments for days and I feel like there hasn't been any progress. I'm getting bored; I just want to get the game moving.
You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut?Now that WWG3 is over I can actually say this: IMO he's been acting similar to when he was in WWG3, and I knew he was a wolf then because I was a wolf myself
Though now that I think about it, you could probably use the exact same logic against me... lol, well then
Oh well, I'm not confident enough to vote for Echo, and I feel like I don't have a case against anyone else, so yes, right now I guess it's mainly just my gut instincts against adam ^_^ if someone else happens to jump my radar then I will gladly change my vote, but right now he's just the only person I feel comfortable with voting for.
I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor?Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure almost every post I've made so far has said my opinion on strager
He isn't a zero on my suspicion-o-meter that's for sure, but I think the odds of him being the doctor are worth keeping him around at least for today.If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member?.I can't say for sure he isn't mafia, but I feel like our differing opinions are based mainly on different interpretations of strager's posts, and again, I'm not gonna vote for someone just because they have a different opinion than me.
it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole messI haven't posted lately because I've had nothing to say; we've hardly made any progress in the last few pages (until now), and I've already stated my opinions on the Echo-strager/adam issue several times over.
Anything else?
Did you bother looking in the first Mafia thread?
Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.
BUT
I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.
Vote: nardi.
BUT
he was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.nardi11011 wrote:
It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.
I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.
Vote: nardi.
I've stated this a while ago.adam2046 wrote:
So you're no longer certain I'm human Strager, right?
It looks like you're dodging the question there. Why?0_o wrote:
If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member?.I can't say for sure he isn't mafia
What bangwagon? ;PDerekku Chan wrote:
Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.
BUThe was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.nardi11011 wrote:
It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.
I have to agree but as a Mafia why would he do this at L-2 and not L-1? (I asked BagelBob this in my last "real" post.)
Because no one accused it of not being a random vote? He was never attacked so he wouldn't defend himself. If he did defend himself in advanced that'd looks suspicious because it'd seem as if he had something to hide.nardi11011 wrote:
I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.
No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.
So I don't really see your reasoning here Derekku.
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By the time nardi voted for you, strager, two other people had voted for you. He seemed to only vote for you because you were the "most suspicious", which isn't a good reason imo.strager wrote:
What bangwagon? ;P
I meant in the case that nardi's vote WAS a random vote, which I don't think it was, but I wanted to cover that groundstrager wrote:
No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.
Derek missed the joke...
On the bandwagon against strager? I've already stated many times that I believe strager isn't mafia. :/adam2046 wrote:
The only person jumping strager's bangwagon is Derek.
If you meant the bandwagon that thinks strager is innocent, then yes, I'm on it, but so is like of us. >_>
So I really don't get what you meant.
Derek is still missing the joke...
=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:
EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz
EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz
nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.strager wrote:
What bangwagon? ;PDerekku Chan wrote:
Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.
BUThe was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.nardi11011 wrote:
It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.
I have to agree but as a Mafia why would he do this at L-2 and not L-1? (I asked BagelBob this in my last "real" post.)Because no one accused it of not being a random vote? He was never attacked so he wouldn't defend himself. If he did defend himself in advanced that'd looks suspicious because it'd seem as if he had something to hide.nardi11011 wrote:
I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.
No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.
So I don't really see your reasoning here Derekku.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor.
In a single sentence:
What strager's been posting are plain facts (reiterating the obvious as explained by BagelBob in his third point), mostly baseless accusations (eg. this post right here, make sure you read previous/next post(s) for context), or blatant coverups of his contradictions (eg. most points in this post).
My vote holds until someone provides a convincing case for strager's behaviour.
That is all.
(edit: found some references)
What strager's been posting are plain facts (reiterating the obvious as explained by BagelBob in his third point), mostly baseless accusations (eg. this post right here, make sure you read previous/next post(s) for context), or blatant coverups of his contradictions (eg. most points in this post).
My vote holds until someone provides a convincing case for strager's behaviour.
That is all.
(edit: found some references)
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I think you're actually supporting me by saying I don't know anything.Echo wrote:
In a single sentence:
What strager's been posting are plain facts (reiterating the obvious as explained by BagelBob in his third point), mostly baseless accusations (eg. this post right here, make sure you read previous/next post(s) for context), or blatant coverups of his contradictions (eg. most points in this post).
My vote holds until someone provides a convincing case for strager's behaviour.
That is all.
(edit: found some references)
Read what I quoted from you carefully, and read my response.Derekku Chan wrote:
=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:
EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz
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*suppresses rage*
fine if you WANT to get lynched and be emo instead of helping the town and youre BOUND and DETERMINED to do so despite my attempts to save you, go the fuck ahead. I give up on saving you.
unvote
no vote
fine if you WANT to get lynched and be emo instead of helping the town and youre BOUND and DETERMINED to do so despite my attempts to save you, go the fuck ahead. I give up on saving you.
unvote
no vote
I'm not saying your vote is right or wrong. I'm just saying it's without real reason or justification, and it's better to have a convincing argument behind your vote.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
*suppresses rage*
fine if you WANT to get lynched and be emo instead of helping the town and youre BOUND and DETERMINED to do so despite my attempts to save you, go the fuck ahead. I give up on saving you.
unvote
no vote
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I'm really not trying to attack you. I'm just saying "you have no reason from what I see." I'm not demanding an explanation. I see where you are coming from but I don't see that as a real reason from my perspective. That's all.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
im not going to respond until i have cooled down cus right now, strager, your impossible "logic" is pissing me off SO much. This game has ceased to be fun for me when everyone instantly objects to every action i make. I thought my logic was clear-cut but you don't seem to be understanding it despite every attempt on my part to educate you. im completely sick of your idiocy.
maybe im overreacting a bit but i feel like im getting attacked every time i try to help. This is a game, not a war zone. I'll try again tomorrow i guess and see if things have improved then.
...strager wrote:
Read what I quoted from you carefully, and read my response.Derekku Chan wrote:
=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:
EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz
*facepalm*
Wow I really am tired tonight...
Also, a bangwagon sounds sexy~
Votes thus far:
strager: Echo
0_o: adam
adam: strager
Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -
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SFG: strager
0_o: nardi
Echo: strager
nardi: strager
0_o: -
0_o: adam
Derekku: Echo
viewtopic.php?p=140697#p140697
Echo: -
SFG: -
SFG: Olinad
SFG: -
SFG: strager
SFG: -
SFG: adam
Derekku: -
viewtopic.php?p=141549#p141549
Echo: strager
strager: -
viewtopic.php?p=142229#p142229
Derekku: nardi
SFG: -
(I may have made a mistake or two. Please feel free to correct me.)
strager: Echo
0_o: adam
adam: strager
Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -
viewtopic.php?p=139863#p139863
SFG: strager
0_o: nardi
Echo: strager
nardi: strager
0_o: -
0_o: adam
Derekku: Echo
viewtopic.php?p=140697#p140697
Echo: -
SFG: -
SFG: Olinad
SFG: -
SFG: strager
SFG: -
SFG: adam
Derekku: -
viewtopic.php?p=141549#p141549
Echo: strager
strager: -
viewtopic.php?p=142229#p142229
Derekku: nardi
SFG: -
(I may have made a mistake or two. Please feel free to correct me.)
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what the fuck you yell at me for my vote and then you yell at me for not changing my vote and now youre yelling at me for changing my vote after you yelled at me for not changing my vote.
i really shouldnt have come back tonight...
i really shouldnt have come back tonight...
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I don't know what you are trying to get at here, but these votes were cast for kuwarudo because he was being annoying. I retracted my vote when he claimed townie right before quitting, and Echo retracted his in his next post for the obvious reason that he was replaced by someone who DOESN'T annoy him.strager wrote:
Hmm.strager wrote:
Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -
This really should have been obvious...
SFG's just voting for the person with the highest vote tally apart from me and strager. I don't see anything fishy about that.
Neither do I...but it's still meeeeeeee ;_;
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Because I don't like lying.nardi11011 wrote:
One thing I don't get: why did strager reveal his role instead of just saying "I was looking at the PM in the OP and was just wondering"?
Oh dear you're right. I completely forgot. x_x0_o wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to get at here, but these votes were cast for kuwarudo because he was being annoying. I retracted my vote when he claimed townie right before quitting, and Echo retracted his in his next post for the obvious reason that he was replaced by someone who DOESN'T annoy him.strager wrote:
Hmm.strager wrote:
Echo: SFG
0_o: -
0_o: SFG
0_o: -
Echo: -
This really should have been obvious...
Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.
strager wrote:
Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.
read the OP again. There are two Mafia.strager wrote:
with one Mafia
Read my post again (bold added):Saturos-fangirl wrote:
strager wrote:
Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.read the OP again. There are two Mafia.strager wrote:
with one Mafia
strager wrote:
Anyway I read somewhere that if the Town doesn't choose to lynch on the first game in a nine-player game with one Mafia the Town gets a statistical advantage, assuming completely random lynching and killing. I'll calculate how this would work with the current setup later.
oh sorry i can't read. ^^U
bbl making dinnorz (yes, im making dinner at 3:44PM. Guests and such whoooooo)
bbl making dinnorz (yes, im making dinner at 3:44PM. Guests and such whoooooo)
You don't need to calculate anything, no lynch on day one is disadvantageous for town.
also in retrospect it seems kinda stupid for us to, each Day, roll a n-sided die where n is the number of remaining players and lynch that person off, then expect the mafia to do the same and us to win. takes the entire point out of the game.
Of course such calculations ignore the Mafia or aux roles slipping up, but if the probability sways in favor of the Town by not lynching the first day there is likely a better chance of a Town win. (Note the use of maybies and perhapses.)Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also in retrospect it seems kinda stupid for us to, each Day, roll a n-sided die where n is the number of remaining players and lynch that person off, then expect the mafia to do the same and us to win. takes the entire point out of the game.