Think anyway.nardi11011 wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of the current situation.
Think anyway.nardi11011 wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of the current situation.
so you confirm that you are a Doctor then? ugh i dont know which direction to go now. despite all my logic my gut instinct is still to trust Echo on these things.....but one of the things Echo said is that you should never lynch someone who claims Doctor on day 1. im pretty sure 0_o is a civvy and for above reason i cant vote for either strager or Echo.strager wrote:
Eek!
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
This, along withstrager wrote:
I was responding to this:strager wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.strager wrote:
Eek!Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.
unvote
vote strager
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
I don't know how to explain this better. =SBagelBob wrote:
strager wrote:
I was responding to this:strager wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Okay, let me (try to) clarify.BagelBob wrote:
this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.strager wrote:
Eek!Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.
unvote
vote strager
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
Obviously, because almost all of what Echo has been doing is "making a case on me." There's nothing else to go on from him, really.BagelBob wrote:
Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?
S: Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say ... he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.That is basically the exchange that went on. Every line is a direct quote from chronological posts in this thread.
E: adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia.
S: I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target.
E: [quoting first line] Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced.
S: I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
E: So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie?
S: You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that? Okay, I will.
strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.
I'll stop hammering strager.strager wrote:
I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.
Claim: Doctor.Echo wrote:
btw - strager, can you claim doctor in bold without using a negative sentence construct? Something like "claim: doctor"strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.strager wrote:
I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
Obviously, I don't want the identity of the doctor leaked. I actually did expect strager to deny doctor but instead he said he didn't mean to leak his role. However, theoretically speaking the real doctor has nothing to gain by repeated affirming the fact that he was doctor since he can't protect himself, making revealing his role a really stupid thing to do, which is what makes me extremely suspicious of him.SFG wrote:
Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened.
Echo wrote:
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
You're right. You may have been deceived right there.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Echo wrote:
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this.
Oops; when I read that I thought you were quoting your entire post, not part of it.Echo wrote:
I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context.
Okay, I made a mistake in my last post.Echo wrote:
I was quoting the whole post, which you admit applying your reply to. You refused to answer/comment on my statements/questions, one of which was the conversation in the quoted text. Since it applied to all my questions/statements, I don't think it's out of context?
I would only try to cover it up to prevent myself from being killed by the Mafia during the Night. If I do that I may be suspect of being a Mafia by the town, because I am trying to cover up things I have said. Then again, keeping open about me being a Doctor also makes me a Mafia suspect because I'd be using it as a way to point votes away from me.Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.Echo wrote:
dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
I think we've already gone over this. (If not I am mistaken.)Echo wrote:
Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.Echo wrote:
So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.strager wrote:
I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
I can't find my post but I'm pretty fucking sure I wrote a post answering this question.Echo wrote:
The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?0_o wrote:
And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??
adam2046 wrote:
So uh...Why am I being voted if you want to lynch Echo or strager?
Can I have some follow up points on how I'm suspicious?
thx, brbLadySuburu wrote:
Votecount 3:
strager - 2 (adam, nardi)
adam - 2 (0_o, SFG)
Echo - 1 (strager)
SFG - 1 (BagelBob)
Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)
Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).Echo wrote:
tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.
lol UR right, but I was busy XDstrager wrote:
Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).Echo wrote:
tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.
Olinard, are you back yet? It's been more than two hours since you said "brb." ;P
EDIT: Echo, what is WIFOM thinking? xD Sounds like "superhypothetical" thinking.
By "you" you mean the not me "you"?Echo wrote:
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me
I thought I'd linked that before :/
Basically it's what you do in your early posts.
"if adam was mafia then [something] BUT if adam is townie then [something] which means he must be mafia if he did it but then that makes him townie because he's smart enough to know it makes him look townie, which means he's actualy mafia, which makes him townie, which makes him mafia etc."
Article says:Echo wrote:
By "you" I mean the second person pronoun (ie. you, strager), and not the generic "you"
No wonder you were super-suspicious of me. =S However that paragraph talks about after a Night kill so I'm not sure if that really is your reason or if you just don't like my choices about adam.Article wrote:
In Mafia, WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town.
Or just leave a no-vote?adam2046 wrote:
...Why aren't you voting yourself then SFG?
Yeah, SFG seems to be doing more than random voting here.adam2046 wrote:
So you do want to get me lynched?
You are still mad at me.