i dont imagine ymir has to be lacking in life experience in order to find therapy generally minimally useful/effective (or intrinsically/uniquely valuable by its own merits)
i might carry a lot of unformed thoughts on this, let me see what i can find...
i wonder if its possible this was interpreted closer to being something of a prescription of importance/value [or relative lack thereof] in mental health care, or as though there is an inferred underlying philosophy that seems objectionable/neglectful/damaging, instead of it being something more representative of inefficiency concerns (both in resource and in health) or similar focal points
as in, ymir's thing seemed to be more "i think a majority of therapists are doing effectively fuck-all and it is lame that of the issues that [i notice and think should] matter, very little seems to be meaningfully addressed/resolved. let's place our funding somewhere that's more useful"...
...as opposed to [but not mutually exclusive with] "you could really just suck your shit up, you know. it's a lot simpler and doesn't get in others' way. independence and non-reliance in this sense is ideal by principle of merit", or something like... "suffering indeed necessarily builds character, but generally, people have perverted it and have grown increasingly conditioned to overthink it and victimize themselves to the point therapy is now only a fantastical solution for self-fantasized problems. people with real problems grow stronger by living their lives and growing mature, not by accommodating each other and cooing about self-inflicted wounds like toddlers"
i got a little too into the "make up a person to [exemplify what someone could object to or] be mad about" bit, this is... very much not representative anymore of what i meant to illustrate/delineate-- a difference between... i forgot, urgh :<
right, delineating between a practical/technical(? this isn't the word, but its near here) position and a caricaturized example of what may be an ideological motivation some observers appear to infer in its place over the years. or at least i havent seen ymir saying all that yet unless i missed it
to continue, im probably of the mind therapy has been something close to penguin's description? "sometimes therapy is helpful for many, and sometimes it just doesn't fit right for others" seems a little imprecise in my head but i would likely assign plenty of importance to it-- i just hope the practices involved work, which i hear all sorts of conflicting opinions for;; many do gain from it, many don't, some explicitly suffer more after it
and even then, there are different kinds of psychologically-oriented therapy... like talk therapy and somatic therapy, with various styles and philosophies of approach to exercises or assistance
idk i kinda Don't have a point after all, i sympathize(?) more with penguin but i was writing this intermittently over the course of a couple hours and forgot some things along the way while presumably trying to examine a thing i thought was interesting about penguin's comments/quotes and maybe something else. maybe how sociopolitical positions are indirectly associated/attributed to certain thoughts/opinions? or idk
if anyone is lacking life experience it would probably be me, it's likely partly why i generally dont have firmly-expressed positions on these
anyway i just think you all are interesting
i might carry a lot of unformed thoughts on this, let me see what i can find...
i wonder if its possible this was interpreted closer to being something of a prescription of importance/value [or relative lack thereof] in mental health care, or as though there is an inferred underlying philosophy that seems objectionable/neglectful/damaging, instead of it being something more representative of inefficiency concerns (both in resource and in health) or similar focal points
as in, ymir's thing seemed to be more "i think a majority of therapists are doing effectively fuck-all and it is lame that of the issues that [i notice and think should] matter, very little seems to be meaningfully addressed/resolved. let's place our funding somewhere that's more useful"...
...as opposed to [but not mutually exclusive with] "you could really just suck your shit up, you know. it's a lot simpler and doesn't get in others' way. independence and non-reliance in this sense is ideal by principle of merit", or something like... "suffering indeed necessarily builds character, but generally, people have perverted it and have grown increasingly conditioned to overthink it and victimize themselves to the point therapy is now only a fantastical solution for self-fantasized problems. people with real problems grow stronger by living their lives and growing mature, not by accommodating each other and cooing about self-inflicted wounds like toddlers"
i got a little too into the "make up a person to [exemplify what someone could object to or] be mad about" bit, this is... very much not representative anymore of what i meant to illustrate/delineate-- a difference between... i forgot, urgh :<
right, delineating between a practical/technical(? this isn't the word, but its near here) position and a caricaturized example of what may be an ideological motivation some observers appear to infer in its place over the years. or at least i havent seen ymir saying all that yet unless i missed it
to continue, im probably of the mind therapy has been something close to penguin's description? "sometimes therapy is helpful for many, and sometimes it just doesn't fit right for others" seems a little imprecise in my head but i would likely assign plenty of importance to it-- i just hope the practices involved work, which i hear all sorts of conflicting opinions for;; many do gain from it, many don't, some explicitly suffer more after it
and even then, there are different kinds of psychologically-oriented therapy... like talk therapy and somatic therapy, with various styles and philosophies of approach to exercises or assistance
idk i kinda Don't have a point after all, i sympathize(?) more with penguin but i was writing this intermittently over the course of a couple hours and forgot some things along the way while presumably trying to examine a thing i thought was interesting about penguin's comments/quotes and maybe something else. maybe how sociopolitical positions are indirectly associated/attributed to certain thoughts/opinions? or idk
if anyone is lacking life experience it would probably be me, it's likely partly why i generally dont have firmly-expressed positions on these
anyway i just think you all are interesting
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