Ymir wrote:
So what exactly are you going to do if a GMT abuses their power?
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idk will see how active this thread becomesBlushing wrote:
This is going to get lost in ot have it be pinned or something
the gov has full support from all current OT gmts, so we can get actions done as long as a concensus is reached in parliamentYmir wrote:
So what exactly are you going to do if a GMT abuses their power?
Wait this is not ruining tho, the opposite imo.
We should overthrow the government tbh.
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okay, OT, I need opinions
Some of the pinned thread are a mess, mainly The chronicles, The art of OT, and The Royal Directory
The chronicles are basically dead with no one to update it right now, we could update it, but I fear no one honestly even really cares about it anymore?, I don't think many people in OT have actually read it, so it would kinda be just wasted effort
The art of OT is just outdated, a lot of the advice it gives doesn't hold up to 2024 OT, a lot of it is just repeating what the edict said, a lot of sections like the part on how to make friends is kinda weird an I don't know why they exist in the first place, and again, it's a lot more text that new users are supposed to read (because again, no one actually does it)
and for the directory, half of those threads are dead, (red line means dead)
I think this is something we should aim to fix but tbh I haven't got a clear idea on how to do it. There are a couple ideas in the parliament but none of them so far are rock solid, so i'm asking the general public for ideas
Some of the pinned thread are a mess, mainly The chronicles, The art of OT, and The Royal Directory
The chronicles are basically dead with no one to update it right now, we could update it, but I fear no one honestly even really cares about it anymore?, I don't think many people in OT have actually read it, so it would kinda be just wasted effort
The art of OT is just outdated, a lot of the advice it gives doesn't hold up to 2024 OT, a lot of it is just repeating what the edict said, a lot of sections like the part on how to make friends is kinda weird an I don't know why they exist in the first place, and again, it's a lot more text that new users are supposed to read (because again, no one actually does it)
and for the directory, half of those threads are dead, (red line means dead)
I think this is something we should aim to fix but tbh I haven't got a clear idea on how to do it. There are a couple ideas in the parliament but none of them so far are rock solid, so i'm asking the general public for ideas
Delete everything, start from scratch. Embrace the chaos.
report to the GMT and government on the GMT's and governments wrongdoings
I have a better question: Who actually reads the guide when they first join here?
I didnt
I didnt
YesKobold84 wrote:
Delete everything, start from scratch. Embrace the chaos.
larp thread
I didn't because it didn't existed when I joinedManishh wrote:
I have a better question: Who actually reads the guide when they first join here?
I didnt
I did read the guide because I was paranoid about breaking rules and whatnot.
Patatitta wrote:
If you've had a thread locked or wastelanded unfairly before, you can use that form to anonymously submit a complain that both the government and the GMT's will check
Surely wont be permabanned for reporting the wrong gmt
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again, you're not reporting purely to the gmt, the reports are public to everyone in the parliament, and if the parliament agrees on a outcome, the gmt is kinda forced to follow it as long as they aren't assholes
also, for the guide and stuff, i'm just thinking on entirerily unpinning the art of ot as it doesn't say anything substantial, there is also the idea to update the art of ot but idk if that's going to be the best long-term
also, for the guide and stuff, i'm just thinking on entirerily unpinning the art of ot as it doesn't say anything substantial, there is also the idea to update the art of ot but idk if that's going to be the best long-term
The High Tier Echelons of OTPatatitta wrote:
okay, OT, I need opinionsSome of the pinned thread are a mess, mainly The chronicles, The art of OT, and The Royal Directory
The chronicles are basically dead with no one to update it right now, we could update it, but I fear no one honestly even really cares about it anymore?, I don't think many people in OT have actually read it, so it would kinda be just wasted effort
The art of OT is just outdated, a lot of the advice it gives doesn't hold up to 2024 OT, a lot of it is just repeating what the edict said, a lot of sections like the part on how to make friends is kinda weird an I don't know why they exist in the first place, and again, it's a lot more text that new users are supposed to read (because again, no one actually does it)
and for the directory, half of those threads are dead, (red line means dead)
I think this is something we should aim to fix but tbh I haven't got a clear idea on how to do it. There are a couple ideas in the parliament but none of them so far are rock solid, so i'm asking the general public for ideas
Yeah that can go, an award thread that hasnt been active and havent given out any awards recently.
I guess someone could takeover and try to revive it and give awards, but really other denizens probably have made or will make there own awards.
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Lock records:
Inactive...
Remember when we all counted every locked threads for each Overlord?
Pepperidge farms remembers
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Here ye, here ye!
Inactive, though the idea of logging the governments doing in one thread is not bad.
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Lowest post count:
ay i liked that thread, tried to get it once, but ended up with 21
but yea, bye bye
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Executionary Tales:
old
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OT's Royal Museum of Art
I like this thread, it showcases the different arts of denizens in OT, highlights the art pieces without needing to search and look for it, awards there efforts by there art pieces being in a pinned thread for people to see, and showcases each of the different denizens, who they are and there character they represent at least in some way
Im in favor of keeping but making it exclusive to denizens drawings or art collabs with multiple denizens only, just that too active due to the lack of art pieces being made
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The OT!Chronicles
One thing i planned if win as president was to revive the chronicles, i want it kept and be updated too, with more of the modern happenings around OT, such as games and events and whatnot and keeping some older stuff like, when this certain denizen first arrived and when they become denizen etc
I dont read the entirety of the chronicles cause it being a giant wall of text, but i do use it to fact check or reference old events that happened in the past and the likes by ctrl + f and finding, without needing to use the osu search bar.
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List of mapping drama
Ah cool thread, but not updated due too the absence of abraker and no one caring to update it too much
I guess the reason why its in OT is cause its more so a discussion directed for the denizens of OT, who i think some at the time didnt follow much of the news and happenings around osu.
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OT OVERLORDS
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as for The Art of OT never really payed attention to it and wasnt around when it was made, it is somewhat longer than even discord server rules so... it can go.
Gonna try to keep it short.
Pinned:
Keep ITT 2, Shitpost, Library, Directory
Remove Chronicles and Art
Directory:
Keep Eras, Valhalla, Presidents, Events, Denizen, Museum, Chronicles, Overlords
Remove Echelons, Lock, Here ye, Lowest, Execution, Mapping
Idk about keeping Shitpost pinned, it would probably still get posts without being pinned or the posts would move to ITT 2 since they're sometimes kinda the same thing..
Valhalla should have update messages when it's updated though, I thought it was dead.
Overlords are no more but it's part of the history so I think it can stay.
Pinned:
Keep ITT 2, Shitpost, Library, Directory
Remove Chronicles and Art
Directory:
Keep Eras, Valhalla, Presidents, Events, Denizen, Museum, Chronicles, Overlords
Remove Echelons, Lock, Here ye, Lowest, Execution, Mapping
Idk about keeping Shitpost pinned, it would probably still get posts without being pinned or the posts would move to ITT 2 since they're sometimes kinda the same thing..
Valhalla should have update messages when it's updated though, I thought it was dead.
Overlords are no more but it's part of the history so I think it can stay.
For me personally, the ruling also has been:Karmine wrote:
Idk about keeping Shitpost pinned, it would probably still get posts without being pinned or the posts would move to ITT 2 since they're sometimes kinda the same thing..
Shitpost thread: shitposts
ITT2: Either for the people that: A. Used up there daily thread but want to talk or share about something or
B. People who are too lazy to make a thread
also old denizens tend to appear in that thread from time to time.
And i do think it being pinned does help it garner posts as the posts gap tend to be days long, making it easy to be buried in here, and i think older threads tend to be rarely revived nowadays plus im not sure how many people will try and look for it too.
i do miss thee Yelling Thread
In my time here in OT and my longer time in other threads, this is the one subforum that actually reads the pinned posts and takes the time to assess what to post... oddly enough.
I wish there could have been a different "Pinned threads" "Rules and Guidelines" areas so that pinned threads are not cluttering the basic information that people need before posting or during their posting shenanigans.
As for what to keep pinned, I believe that pinned posts should serve a purpose for why they are pinned. If there is a thread that is constantly getting activity that (i.e. SHITPOST) then it serves no purpose to be pinned since it will pop up in the first page of OT almost always.
Threads like "ATTENTION <>FAGS + Others" is one that has relevancy and importance to the ecosystem of the forum, but is notoriously hard to find unless you have it bookmarked.
I think that projects such like OT Library, megacollabs, and (just because it was funny, all the "abraker sings I want it that way or we RIOT Part <x>") like Weekly English Post. Stuff that is time sensitive that garners a lot of reactions to play but may not always get the limelight.
welp... thats my 2c
I wish there could have been a different "Pinned threads" "Rules and Guidelines" areas so that pinned threads are not cluttering the basic information that people need before posting or during their posting shenanigans.
As for what to keep pinned, I believe that pinned posts should serve a purpose for why they are pinned. If there is a thread that is constantly getting activity that (i.e. SHITPOST) then it serves no purpose to be pinned since it will pop up in the first page of OT almost always.
Threads like "ATTENTION <>FAGS + Others" is one that has relevancy and importance to the ecosystem of the forum, but is notoriously hard to find unless you have it bookmarked.
I think that projects such like OT Library, megacollabs, and (just because it was funny, all the "abraker sings I want it that way or we RIOT Part <x>") like Weekly English Post. Stuff that is time sensitive that garners a lot of reactions to play but may not always get the limelight.
welp... thats my 2c
While this will be a double post, they are not exactly the same so I really would like for OT Gov and GMT to consider what is in this post as well.
Patatitta has started off with trying to clean up and modify OT in a way in which sets up future generations success and can lead it onto the right path.
Creating a thread from GMT with the GMT report Link (not abuse@ppy.sh) would be nice. Titling it something that is not obscure and can be known what it is without having to click on the thread. Literally: "Government Complaint Form and Link". While Patatitta did a good job with instating this, this thread will ultimately get thrown into the depths of OT and only be brought up when someone was like "Oh wow didn't know this existed".
I'm not sure if Patatitta and parliament are wanting to create more subsidiaries of using forms and links to "petition" ideas.
I think Art of OT, OT!Chronicles (its already inside of Royal OT Directory), and SHITPOST should be unpinned. Create a new and locked thread with the new GMT/Government abuse form, and create a new pinned thread listing current members of Parliament and President so that people can easily see who they can contact if something is amiss.
Patatitta has started off with trying to clean up and modify OT in a way in which sets up future generations success and can lead it onto the right path.
Creating a thread from GMT with the GMT report Link (not abuse@ppy.sh) would be nice. Titling it something that is not obscure and can be known what it is without having to click on the thread. Literally: "Government Complaint Form and Link". While Patatitta did a good job with instating this, this thread will ultimately get thrown into the depths of OT and only be brought up when someone was like "Oh wow didn't know this existed".
I'm not sure if Patatitta and parliament are wanting to create more subsidiaries of using forms and links to "petition" ideas.
I think Art of OT, OT!Chronicles (its already inside of Royal OT Directory), and SHITPOST should be unpinned. Create a new and locked thread with the new GMT/Government abuse form, and create a new pinned thread listing current members of Parliament and President so that people can easily see who they can contact if something is amiss.
This could be done on this thread's OP if it gets pinned, would make it easy to access government stuff for everyone.Blushing wrote:
create a new pinned thread listing current members of Parliament and President so that people can easily see who they can contact if something is amiss.
@Blushing I personally think 'Shitpost'thread does deserve to be pin, It is similar to G&R 'Post your score here'. The purpose of it is to prevent more shitpost just like how the purpose in gr is to stop threads like 'How is my gameplay' or 'Vod review'
where can i report this message?
boat wrote:
miku is a lil bitch she won't do anything
I see the point. I take "ITT: We post something neither funny or..." as the shitpost thread imo. I dont think it relevant to have two... but I do see the idea behind it.Manishh wrote:
@Blushing I personally think 'Shitpost'thread does deserve to be pin, It is similar to G&R 'Post your score here'. The purpose of it is to prevent more shitpost just like how the purpose in gr is to stop threads like 'How is my gameplay' or 'Vod review'
I dont see the point why both "ITT 2: We post shit that is neither funny nor interesting" and "SHITPOST THREAD" are pinned. They are literally used for the same objective, which is to post shit on it
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I personally do agree with you, but even when the thread got changed to schizopost, people just wanted to make the thread the same as always, and even when the option to make it not shitpost but something actually different came up with the poll, people STILL refused, so yeah, I don't we're going to be able to unpin that thread lmaoManishh wrote:
I dont see the point why both "ITT 2: We post shit that is neither funny nor interesting" and "SHITPOST THREAD" are pinned. They are literally used for the same objective, which is to post shit on it
Topic Starter
Directory and art of ot have been unpinned and replaced by the encyclopedia of OT
Topic Starter
technically triple post but I don't care
We're discussing what to do with denizen, the current problems of denizen are:
-no one actually understand how denizenships works
-no one actually agrees on what denizenship is
-denizens are inconsistent over the ages
-denizenships not being given after the time has past
-generations switching for no reason
-Denizen causes more drama and toxicity than any positive thing, so denizen does more harm than it is good
so, how do we fix this problem?, we're have discussed tings in parliament but I want to hear your general opinion, if you guys can suggest full fledged propositions and not like "I don't like this thing in current system", please do
We're discussing what to do with denizen, the current problems of denizen are:
-no one actually understand how denizenships works
-no one actually agrees on what denizenship is
-denizens are inconsistent over the ages
-denizenships not being given after the time has past
-generations switching for no reason
-Denizen causes more drama and toxicity than any positive thing, so denizen does more harm than it is good
so, how do we fix this problem?, we're have discussed tings in parliament but I want to hear your general opinion, if you guys can suggest full fledged propositions and not like "I don't like this thing in current system", please do
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
Topic Starter
I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by thatYmir wrote:
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
breaking own rules bruhPatatitta wrote:
technically triple post but I don't care
We're discussing what to do with denizen, the current problems of denizen are:
-no one actually understand how denizenships works
-no one actually agrees on what denizenship is
-denizens are inconsistent over the ages
-denizenships not being given after the time has past
-generations switching for no reason
-Denizen causes more drama and toxicity than any positive thing, so denizen does more harm than it is good
so, how do we fix this problem?, we're have discussed tings in parliament but I want to hear your general opinion, if you guys can suggest full fledged propositions and not like "I don't like this thing in current system", please do
Well it's still only the government who makes Denizens, I meant people outside the government have their say on each Denizen too, as opposed to a body of like 4 people.Patatitta wrote:
I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by thatYmir wrote:
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
It's one of the only ways we could make Denizenship free from Drama. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm personally fine with the current method though.
A lot of issues with this idea.Ymir wrote:
Well it's still only the government who makes Denizens, I meant people outside the government have their say on each Denizen too, as opposed to a body of like 4 people.Patatitta wrote:
I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by thatYmir wrote:
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
It's one of the only ways we could make Denizenship free from Drama. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm personally fine with the current method though.
1: electing denizenship is the only thing a government do, you are stealing there job
2: Very slow and long process. This is like adding paper work in OT! Waiting for approval of everyone.
3: will need to create its own guidelines. Ex a guy won by just couple votes should be consider denizen or not
4: will lead to inconsistency since a government will announce if there rules or views has change for denizen but public will not do that. You don't know if the criteria for denizenship is even being considered by the voter.
Hence why I never pushed for a complete democracy system anyway. But if reducing inconsistency and drama is something we are aiming for, then community voice should be considered in some way.Manishh wrote:
A lot of issues with this idea.Ymir wrote:
Well it's still only the government who makes Denizens, I meant people outside the government have their say on each Denizen too, as opposed to a body of like 4 people.Patatitta wrote:
I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by thatYmir wrote:
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
It's one of the only ways we could make Denizenship free from Drama. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm personally fine with the current method though.
1: electing denizenship is the only thing a government do, you are stealing there job
2: Very slow and long process. This is like adding paper work in OT! Waiting for approval of everyone.
3: will need to create its own guidelines. Ex a guy won by just couple votes should be consider denizen or not
4: will lead to inconsistency since a government will announce if there rules or views has change for denizen but public will not do that. You don't know if the criteria for denizenship is even being considered by the voter.
As for stealing your job, that's funny.
the main issue is that people still see value in denizenship.
My Rant About it
The change needs to more proactive approach to adding people that meet the "requirements" or whatever you want to call it.
Currently there are like 6(?) dwellers that post and everyone else is denizen, and even less of them care about whatever you government officials are cooking.
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As for changes that affect the ENTIRETY of OT, it should ask all constituents rather than just the "government", the government is in, itself, heavily biased and does not represent the whole of OT and those who post. I can already feel the next question, "Well why would I care about what a 0 post player cares about OT?". Ok why do you care what a denizen who has no "good" posts, broke multiple rules/laws, is generally not able to understand past their own hubris, etc.
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if you want people to give a damn about what you are doing then add more people to denizen, make denizen mean something other than "status"-locked voting that is easily riggable or is completely just a popularity contest... Like IDK: Anonymous voting where only their campaigns are visible and not the username, because being biased is being biased (this is something america should implement).
Currently there are like 6(?) dwellers that post and everyone else is denizen, and even less of them care about whatever you government officials are cooking.
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As for changes that affect the ENTIRETY of OT, it should ask all constituents rather than just the "government", the government is in, itself, heavily biased and does not represent the whole of OT and those who post. I can already feel the next question, "Well why would I care about what a 0 post player cares about OT?". Ok why do you care what a denizen who has no "good" posts, broke multiple rules/laws, is generally not able to understand past their own hubris, etc.
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if you want people to give a damn about what you are doing then add more people to denizen, make denizen mean something other than "status"-locked voting that is easily riggable or is completely just a popularity contest... Like IDK: Anonymous voting where only their campaigns are visible and not the username, because being biased is being biased (this is something america should implement).
Addressing Manishh
1. electing denizenship is the only thing a government does? Ok you are the government... do something other than that lol? You guys are the deciders of what you can do. be the change? Idk, very reductive and very american politician (I say all of these things, then nothing is done because I now have the position and will never be impeached)
2. An entire voting of everyone voting for the denizens seems like a good idea. You guys forget that making a post as an official body or through the GMT can and should be done when announcing official change or something like that. I literally dont understand why its a vote of a few people, but the rest of the OT world is unable to put their own opinion (except for when it comes to removing them... apparently).
3. OK THEN STOP BEING LAZY AND MAKE THE GUIDELINES, YOU WANTED THIS POSITION STOP BEING LAZY!
4. Again, criteria for denizenship is hardly objective. So much so that the current president has an entire thread for such a thing, and is actively wanting to change the current system. Voters in other democratic processes don't always know what the person is going for and they are only voting because they like the campaign or because they like the person in general. Being a denizen does nothing passed getting to vote in elections and being able to run, which can be changed on the whim from the president, so idk why it matters.
5. Stop holding a title with no meaning to a higher standard just because you met a post count in a year.
2. An entire voting of everyone voting for the denizens seems like a good idea. You guys forget that making a post as an official body or through the GMT can and should be done when announcing official change or something like that. I literally dont understand why its a vote of a few people, but the rest of the OT world is unable to put their own opinion (except for when it comes to removing them... apparently).
3. OK THEN STOP BEING LAZY AND MAKE THE GUIDELINES, YOU WANTED THIS POSITION STOP BEING LAZY!
4. Again, criteria for denizenship is hardly objective. So much so that the current president has an entire thread for such a thing, and is actively wanting to change the current system. Voters in other democratic processes don't always know what the person is going for and they are only voting because they like the campaign or because they like the person in general. Being a denizen does nothing passed getting to vote in elections and being able to run, which can be changed on the whim from the president, so idk why it matters.
5. Stop holding a title with no meaning to a higher standard just because you met a post count in a year.
Topic Starter
while I disagree with manishh in the fact that the gov does more things other than adding denizens (manishh should know, they are in the gov and done things other than adding denizens), it's true that pushing actual changes to denizen under that system would be a fucking nightmare
also about what blushing said about denizen, you just REALLY want denizen
anyways, let's not talk too much about the actual gov structure and talk about denizen itself since that is the thing I asked
also about what blushing said about denizen, you just REALLY want denizen
anyways, let's not talk too much about the actual gov structure and talk about denizen itself since that is the thing I asked
My response
My first point was a joke guys, come on do I have to put /j
2: I already stated the cons, the 'few people' are elected by the 'many people' and why is that? It is so actual things happen rather than trying to satisfy every person. And get over it, you didnt even meet the requirement in the first place..
3: The cons are greater than pros, its waste of time in making guideline for such a thing
4: Denizenship was never made to give power, it was a hall of fame, A way of preserving history. It has a value for me, maybe not for you.
5: Why are you even talking about it when you dont see any meaning in it?
I dont see a reason why it will reduce inconsistency, though I get your point. But in my experience, whenever there have been public talk about denizenship, nothing useful has came out of it and nor will there ever be. When it comes to discussion, everyone is a brick wall, even me.Ymir wrote:
Hence why I never pushed for a complete democracy system anyway. But if reducing inconsistency and drama is something we are aiming for, then community voice should be considered in some way.Manishh wrote:
A lot of issues with this idea.Ymir wrote:
Well it's still only the government who makes Denizens, I meant people outside the government have their say on each Denizen too, as opposed to a body of like 4 people.Patatitta wrote:
I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by thatYmir wrote:
Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.
Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.
It's one of the only ways we could make Denizenship free from Drama. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm personally fine with the current method though.
1: electing denizenship is the only thing a government do, you are stealing there job
2: Very slow and long process. This is like adding paper work in OT! Waiting for approval of everyone.
3: will need to create its own guidelines. Ex a guy won by just couple votes should be consider denizen or not
4: will lead to inconsistency since a government will announce if there rules or views has change for denizen but public will not do that. You don't know if the criteria for denizenship is even being considered by the voter.
As for stealing your job, that's funny.
1: It was a jokeBlushing wrote:
the main issue is that people still see value in denizenship.Addressing Manishh1. electing denizenship is the only thing a government does? Ok you are the government... do something other than that lol? You guys are the deciders of what you can do. be the change? Idk, very reductive and very american politician (I say all of these things, then nothing is done because I now have the position and will never be impeached)
2. An entire voting of everyone voting for the denizens seems like a good idea. You guys forget that making a post as an official body or through the GMT can and should be done when announcing official change or something like that. I literally dont understand why its a vote of a few people, but the rest of the OT world is unable to put their own opinion (except for when it comes to removing them... apparently).
3. OK THEN STOP BEING LAZY AND MAKE THE GUIDELINES, YOU WANTED THIS POSITION STOP BEING LAZY!
4. Again, criteria for denizenship is hardly objective. So much so that the current president has an entire thread for such a thing, and is actively wanting to change the current system. Voters in other democratic processes don't always know what the person is going for and they are only voting because they like the campaign or because they like the person in general. Being a denizen does nothing passed getting to vote in elections and being able to run, which can be changed on the whim from the president, so idk why it matters.
5. Stop holding a title with no meaning to a higher standard just because you met a post count in a year.
2: I already stated the cons, the 'few people' are elected by the 'many people' and why is that? It is so actual things happen rather than trying to satisfy every person. And get over it, you didnt even meet the requirement in the first place..
3: The cons are greater than pros, its waste of time in making guideline for such a thing
4: Denizenship was never made to give power, it was a hall of fame, A way of preserving history. It has a value for me, maybe not for you.
5: Why are you even talking about it when you dont see any meaning in it?
"Government should listen to the community"
I dont see a single proposal
Manishh wrote:
1: It was a joke
2: I already stated the cons, the 'few people' are elected by the 'many people' and why is that? It is so actual things happen rather than trying to satisfy every person. And get over it, you didnt even meet the requirement in the first place..
3: The cons are greater than pros, its waste of time in making guideline for such a thing
4: Denizenship was never made to give power, it was a hall of fame, A way of preserving history. It has a value for me, maybe not for you.
5: Why are you even talking about it when you dont see any meaning in it?
"Government should listen to the community"
I dont see a single proposal
A majority of the actives in the subforum simply dont care what happens to OT because not much changes and probably won't.
To continue to address this:
1. joke statement
2. This is when governments then start to do this fun and cool thing called cabinets. Cabinets can help aid the central circle of governments without having to interfere with the main stuff, like policy changes and such. Maybe OT government should delegate certain tasks to people not already holding a position. This might help the feeling that you can't add everyone in the backlog vs. wanting to add those who deserve it.
3. Actually kind of hilarious saying that something is too much work so it will never get done. Creating guidelines and creating statutes so that processes are slow and annoying in the beginning are then easily done in the later lifetime of the government.
4. If it is simply hall of fame type stuff then why are some things locked behind it? There is "inherit" worth in the title, it would help with the misconception of it being about "elevating" someone to a higher prestige and instead could cement that it is simply an award for being recognizable within the community.
5. Because beside me and like 5 other people there is no one caring enough about it. So someone has to.
Topic Starter
uhhh so manishh quitted the parliament and we were only 3 people in parliament (excluding gmts) so we decided to add the next two parliament members that recieved the most votes to replace manishh and also get 5, so yeah, welcome hydreigon and blushing to the parliament (lol)
also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)
I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution
also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)
I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution
government savedHydreigon wrote:
hi
its being a great arc so far nglLapizote wrote:
another layer added to the parliament drama lore
has anyone even used the gmt report form? even as a joke?
It hasn't been out for too long, break the rules so I can report you and be the first.
Topic Starter
yes, it has been usedsametdze wrote:
has anyone even used the gmt report form? even as a joke?
am i a gmt?Ymir wrote:
It hasn't been out for too long, break the rules so I can report you and be the first.
I'm a restartedsametdze wrote:
am i a gmt?Ymir wrote:
It hasn't been out for too long, break the rules so I can report you and be the first.
acceptance is the first step.Ymir wrote:
I'm a restartedsametdze wrote:
am i a gmt?Ymir wrote:
It hasn't been out for too long, break the rules so I can report you and be the first.
abraker wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
If you've had a thread locked or wastelanded unfairly before, you can use that form to anonymously submit a complain that both the government and the GMT's will check
This content is no longer available.guys, stop using discord for image hosting
I am going to yeet the next guy who does this
even if it's my past self
dont worry abraker i will only use discord to host audio in every thread ever 👍
so you are really putting a non denizen into parliament smehPatatitta wrote:
uhhh so manishh quitted the parliament and we were only 3 people in parliament (excluding gmts) so we decided to add the next two parliament members that recieved the most votes to replace manishh and also get 5, so yeah, welcome hydreigon and blushing to the parliament (lol)
also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)
I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution
Mother anarchy loves her son, come on the revolution will come!Karmine wrote:
We should overthrow the government tbh.
(Just kidding)
this was a surprise to me as well.Manishh wrote:
so you are really putting a non denizen into parliament smehPatatitta wrote:
uhhh so manishh quitted the parliament and we were only 3 people in parliament (excluding gmts) so we decided to add the next two parliament members that recieved the most votes to replace manishh and also get 5, so yeah, welcome hydreigon and blushing to the parliament (lol)
also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)
I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution
good luck I guessBlushing wrote:
this was a surprise to me as well.Manishh wrote:
so you are really putting a non denizen into parliament smehPatatitta wrote:
uhhh so manishh quitted the parliament and we were only 3 people in parliament (excluding gmts) so we decided to add the next two parliament members that recieved the most votes to replace manishh and also get 5, so yeah, welcome hydreigon and blushing to the parliament (lol)
also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)
I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution
You guys might as well rewrite a whole new constitution and rebuild the gov from the bottom up
communism
neh man, I dont wanna give such a power to these trollsShinRun wrote:
You guys might as well rewrite a whole new constitution and rebuild the gov from the bottom up
Get rid of the government and let anarchy reign!! Post funny posts!!!Karmine wrote:
We should overthrow the government tbh.
Would make too much sense to do that.ShinRun wrote:
You guys might as well rewrite a whole new constitution and rebuild the gov from the bottom up
69th post
poocraftedJarcrafted wrote:
Get rid of the government and let anarchy reign!! Post funny posts!!!Karmine wrote:
We should overthrow the government tbh.
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair lock
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1914597
Which gmt did it?: Corne2Plum3
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
after a discussion featuring blushing, corne, reyalp and kobold, the results were as following:
The thread was clearly opposing OT rules, mainly because of the high quantity of insults starting post 32 of the thread. While not offensive on themselves, they were still against osu! rules and leaving it unlocked would have led to more insults
HOWEVER
Locking the thread was the incorrect action to take in that situation, what should have happened is for the thread to remain unlocked, but to delete all of the offending messages. Corne claims he recognised this and they were just tired, still, locking the thread was better than not taking any action.
The thread will remain locked in it's current state, as reviving the thread currently would serve no purpouse (and because gmts are lazy tbhh), however, this will be the rule going forward, if the thread is just filled by insults, the posts will be deleted, and the thread won't be locked. If you see any thread in the future breaking this rule, feel free to report it.
What happened?: Unfair lock
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1914597
Which gmt did it?: Corne2Plum3
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
after a discussion featuring blushing, corne, reyalp and kobold, the results were as following:
The thread was clearly opposing OT rules, mainly because of the high quantity of insults starting post 32 of the thread. While not offensive on themselves, they were still against osu! rules and leaving it unlocked would have led to more insults
HOWEVER
Locking the thread was the incorrect action to take in that situation, what should have happened is for the thread to remain unlocked, but to delete all of the offending messages. Corne claims he recognised this and they were just tired, still, locking the thread was better than not taking any action.
The thread will remain locked in it's current state, as reviving the thread currently would serve no purpouse (and because gmts are lazy tbhh), however, this will be the rule going forward, if the thread is just filled by insults, the posts will be deleted, and the thread won't be locked. If you see any thread in the future breaking this rule, feel free to report it.
I wasn't really tired, I didn't had much time to spend at moderating this weekend
my bad on that one chief, i was put in the timeout corner for saying the french was bad, i think the french are coolPatatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair lock
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1914597
Which gmt did it?: Corne2Plum3
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
after a discussion featuring blushing, corne, reyalp and kobold, the results were as following:
The thread was clearly opposing OT rules, mainly because of the high quantity of insults starting post 32 of the thread. While not offensive on themselves, they were still against osu! rules and leaving it unlocked would have led to more insults
HOWEVER
Locking the thread was the incorrect action to take in that situation, what should have happened is for the thread to remain unlocked, but to delete all of the offending messages. Corne claims he recognised this and they were just tired, still, locking the thread was better than not taking any action.
The thread will remain locked in it's current state, as reviving the thread currently would serve no purpouse (and because gmts are lazy tbhh), however, this will be the rule going forward, if the thread is just filled by insults, the posts will be deleted, and the thread won't be locked. If you see any thread in the future breaking this rule, feel free to report it.
my bad guys but when i saw that opportunity i had to take it 🙏
WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAAANNNN?????Reyalp51 wrote:
My sides are in orbit
His sides are not on Earth.
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Thread moved with no reason why
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1904828?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Corne2Plum3
Why do you think it was unfair?: The thread was fine in OT + the thread was more ITT. Using Corne's logic, all ITTs involving photos would count as surveys
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Patatitta, karmine, reyalp, blushing, and kobold agred that it should be on OT, corne moved it without really giving explanation of why it got moved in the first place
What happened?: Thread moved with no reason why
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1904828?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Corne2Plum3
Why do you think it was unfair?: The thread was fine in OT + the thread was more ITT. Using Corne's logic, all ITTs involving photos would count as surveys
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Patatitta, karmine, reyalp, blushing, and kobold agred that it should be on OT, corne moved it without really giving explanation of why it got moved in the first place
hmm its a bit mix, I think the thread can fit in both surveys and OT!
Jood Gob!
being downgraded from OT to surveys
truly a fate worse than death
truly a fate worse than death
uhh I don't think posting beatmap background should resulted in a thread getting wastelanded.
Didja use the form?Jangsoodlor wrote:
uhh I don't think posting beatmap background should resulted in a thread getting wastelanded.
Topic Starter
report recieved, we're talking about it
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Thread wastelanded unfairly
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1931079
Which gmt did it?: Not known
Why do you think it was unfair?: They're osu BGs and it should be allowed in OT
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Everyone but karmine agrees to reviving the thread, the thread has been revived
What happened?: Thread wastelanded unfairly
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1931079
Which gmt did it?: Not known
Why do you think it was unfair?: They're osu BGs and it should be allowed in OT
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Everyone but karmine agrees to reviving the thread, the thread has been revived
Didn't blushing say he was against it or did I misunderstand?
Topic Starter
they said that reviving was fine but the moment they get too out of line to blow up jangsoodlor head with a revolverKarmine wrote:
Didn't blushing say he was against it or did I misunderstand?
Can't wait!Patatitta wrote:
they said that reviving was fine but the moment they get too out of line to blow up jangsoodlor head with a revolverKarmine wrote:
Didn't blushing say he was against it or did I misunderstand?
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair lock
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1934925?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Reyalp created the thread with the intention of it being locked by blushing, the thread got locked by blushing, therefore, it has achieves it's goal. Reyalp is also a member of the parliament so they confirmed it
no actions taken
What happened?: Unfair lock
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1934925?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Reyalp created the thread with the intention of it being locked by blushing, the thread got locked by blushing, therefore, it has achieves it's goal. Reyalp is also a member of the parliament so they confirmed it
no actions taken
"the thread got locked by blushing"
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
oh he just said something like "will the government forgive me if I delete this?"Patatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
A GMT a using powers with no justification.... in other news, grass is green.
(This is a joke don't ban me)
(This is a joke don't ban me)
the ironyAshton wrote:
A GMT a using powers with no justification.... in other news, grass is green.
(This is a joke don't ban me)
Topic Starter
nope, he just thought it should be deleted but he doesn't have a strong enough opinion to oppose it being restored, he just doesn't give a shitPolyspora wrote:
oh he just said something like "will the government forgive me if I delete this?"Patatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
? are you denying that he actually said that? its literally on the threadPatatitta wrote:
nope, he just thought it should be deleted but he doesn't have a strong enough opinion to oppose it being restored, he just doesn't give a shitPolyspora wrote:
oh he just said something like "will the government forgive me if I delete this?"Patatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
Patatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
UwUpsie sweems wike yow thwead gwot wastelanded two da fuzzy wuzzy dwepths two ouwr fwun dwungeon dwesu~... pwease cwall wus wagain two wet wus knwow wen youw ware wavailable UwU!!!
^ lmao what this guy saydKaaruumii wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
honestly we have no fucking clue why this was deleted, apparently it was deleted by abraker, abraker gave permission to restore it, but have yet to clarify why it was deleted, everyone in the gov agreed so it was restored.
UwUpsie sweems wike yow thwead gwot wastelanded two da fuzzy wuzzy dwepths two ouwr fwun dwungeon dwesu~... pwease cwall wus wagain two wet wus knwow wen youw ware wavailable UwU!!!
Topic Starter
--------------- Report ---------------
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Corne deleted it with the idea that people may not realize it's a shitpost and actually post themselves in that thread, blushing then added to this saying people may do really edgy jokes which are inapropiate for the osu forums or even post CP
Patatita, reyalp, Hidreigon, and blushing supported restoring the thread, however, blushing was kinda worried about it going badly, and karmine opposed it on grounds it is a pretty shitty thread
In addition to that, corne opposed the restoring to the thead (they even tried to hard veto this thread beign restored!) but abraker gave us the ok
after a (really) long discussion, we've decided to restore the original thread but with the OP changed, so people won't get confused, just try to behave okay?
also, if anyone is confused by this
just ignore him
What happened?: Unfair Wasteland
Link to the post: community/forums/topics/1940156?n=1
Which gmt did it?: Unknown
Why do you think it was unfair?: Nothing happened
--------------- Resolution ---------------
Corne deleted it with the idea that people may not realize it's a shitpost and actually post themselves in that thread, blushing then added to this saying people may do really edgy jokes which are inapropiate for the osu forums or even post CP
Patatita, reyalp, Hidreigon, and blushing supported restoring the thread, however, blushing was kinda worried about it going badly, and karmine opposed it on grounds it is a pretty shitty thread
In addition to that, corne opposed the restoring to the thead (they even tried to hard veto this thread beign restored!) but abraker gave us the ok
after a (really) long discussion, we've decided to restore the original thread but with the OP changed, so people won't get confused, just try to behave okay?
also, if anyone is confused by this
just ignore him
Thread bad.