Why is there so much complaints about Denizen now all of a sudden? This is like 10x the normal rate. Changing something is worse than not changing anything at all, you lot are just breaking something that was inherently subjective and messed up to begin with. Nothing can be fixed, it can only go down from here on.
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well... is there one that ACTUALLY PUTS SOMETHING ABOUT DENIZENSHIP INTO SET STONE?Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:
There is.Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
this does not need any change
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too late we're probably just going to implement what I said earlier skill issue everyone
hahaha this guy
Literally biggest fuck you to someone that actually gave feedback and you refused to just comment or even talk about it with me.Patatitta wrote:
too late we're probably just going to implement what I said earlier skill issue everyone
Corne's collab allowed for active dwellers.Blushing wrote:
Im sorry that you dont like what patatitta is going to do or is trying to do to denizenship. You lot are so attached to a honorary title in a rhythm clicking game for a forum that is mostly shit post and shenanigans. People being gatekept from participating in certain events or activities because they dont have it is insane, to name a few: Corne's Collab, OT elections, Pretty much any Manishh event. It has become less about "hey this dude is historic!" and more like spongebob trying to get into the salty spitoon, its humorous.
OT elections sure, but it is something done for older dwellers (denizens).
Manishh events are rare and there are recent examples of his events that also allowed for everyone to enter (they flopped in general, but let's not talk about that).
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i'm sorry but y'all are just plainly wrong and i'm kinda tired to actually respondBlushing wrote:
Literally biggest fuck you to someone that actually gave feedback and you refused to just comment or even talk about it with me.Patatitta wrote:
too late we're probably just going to implement what I said earlier skill issue everyone
1- "Choose another team for selecting denizenship"
Those are tasks of the gov, but I was refeering more to if there should be a more systematic way to prevent us on sleeping on it or whateever
2- "What does denizenship mean?"
We have ended up on a definition that is more on the lines "someone who is in the OT community"
3- "making it not subjective is a bad idea"
For 90% of it's lifespan denizenship hasn't been subjective, the initial ruling by abraker only required 3 months of activity and nothing more, then it got reworked to require more time, and after that, ghouly reworked it to require some sort of contribution to OT, however, the parliament was slow and this basically wasn't enforced. So yeah, OT has NEVER had a subjective ruling over denizen and shit has always been fine. It also supports our definition of denizen.
4- "It doesn't need change"
Excluding this one, in the last 4 years the denizen system has been reworked twice, and even after the latest rework, there has still been drama and complaints which were never solved, just ignored. Take for example the dramas surrounding the switches in generation. Not only that, but i'm trying to avoid things like the blushing situation happening again, where the parliament fucks up and then they make a poll to see if they undo their mistake, because they don't need a poll to actually run shit but they do need one to revert it apparently. This system should prevent a lot of the drama since it makes it harder for us the government to actually pull off things like that.
5- "You can't push this change or else there would be a revolution"
I said I was going to do this exact thing, and I got voted in by mayority, not only that, but then I ran the parliament elections, and the people who ended up winning mostly support these ideas, if you're now mad about it, it's your fault.
6- You guys are really fucking biased.
Like really, i'm sorry blushing but I don't know if you aegree with me because you agree with my idea or because you think licking my asshole will grant you denizen, not only that but I feel people like ymir were already against me even from before this, so I don't know how seriously can I take the criticism torwards this. Whenever you consider a lot of the criticism is just missguided as I said with the "denizen is subjective!!!!" thing, I just can't take you seriously
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drama funny
We'll go through it.Patatitta wrote:
i'm sorry but y'all are just plainly wrong and i'm kinda tired to actually respondBlushing wrote:
Literally biggest fuck you to someone that actually gave feedback and you refused to just comment or even talk about it with me.Patatitta wrote:
too late we're probably just going to implement what I said earlier skill issue everyone
1- "Choose another team for selecting denizenship"
Those are tasks of the gov, but I was refeering more to if there should be a more systematic way to prevent us on sleeping on it or whateever
2- "What does denizenship mean?"
We have ended up on a definition that is more on the lines "someone who is in the OT community"
3- "making it not subjective is a bad idea"
For 90% of it's lifespan denizenship hasn't been subjective, the initial ruling by abraker only required 3 months of activity and nothing more, then it got reworked to require more time, and after that, ghouly reworked it to require some sort of contribution to OT, however, the parliament was slow and this basically wasn't enforced. So yeah, OT has NEVER had a subjective ruling over denizen and shit has always been fine. It also supports our definition of denizen.
4- "It doesn't need change"
Excluding this one, in the last 4 years the denizen system has been reworked twice, and even after the latest rework, there has still been drama and complaints which were never solved, just ignored. Take for example the dramas surrounding the switches in generation. Not only that, but i'm trying to avoid things like the blushing situation happening again, where the parliament fucks up and then they make a poll to see if they undo their mistake, because they don't need a poll to actually run shit but they do need one to revert it apparently. This system should prevent a lot of the drama since it makes it harder for us the government to actually pull off things like that.
5- "You can't push this change or else there would be a revolution"
I said I was going to do this exact thing, and I got voted in by mayority, not only that, but then I ran the parliament elections, and the people who ended up winning mostly support these ideas, if you're now mad about it, it's your fault.
6- You guys are really fucking biased.
Like really, i'm sorry blushing but I don't know if you aegree with me because you agree with my idea or because you think licking my asshole will grant you denizen, not only that but I feel people like ymir were already against me even from before this, so I don't know how seriously can I take the criticism torwards this. Whenever you consider a lot of the criticism is just missguided as I said with the "denizen is subjective!!!!" thing, I just can't take you seriously
1. Systematic includes making another body so you dont sleep on it, I dont exactly understand why you are the rest of government are against this idea.
2. Ok at least there is a definition you guys are going to stick to.
3. objectivity is just going to ruin it because people can and will complain, but it sounds like your newer version of what you want is somewhat going into this way?
4. i've never said it didn't need change?
5. yes but you explicitly have said things about being "scared" or hesitant about how people will react to your change, I simply said you either do or don't. Whichever you do is something that someone isn't going to like so might as well do what you want to do.
6. If you think i'm going to brown nose you, you are sadly mistaken. You are asking the public about their opinions of a system. I have said multiple times I do not care about getting denizen, but that doesn't mean I can't give input on that.
My joke posts are very far and inbetween because Im not going to joke with the vast majority of players that I don't care about. If I am giving input on things in this subforum its because I am actually thinking and wanting conversation not you insinuating that i licking your asshole.
There is a certain jaded ideal you get from being within the group than being outside, and that is what I wanted to bring to attention. With every group: GMT, NAT, LVD, BN, DEV, etc. there is a certain aspect that everyone becomes accustomed to and that you don't individually see issues that the outside can see or want to bring to attention.
All i wanted was a conversation and I posted both of those in due time for you to reply, but then you simply had to take it in a way that I'm "licking your asshole" for a title that grants nothing. Be so fucking for real. If im brown nosing anything it is not for this subforum, and especially not for you.
thankfully i am a vulpix so i cant readKarmine wrote:
That's a lot of text.
I'm not a vulpix but I'm too fucking stupid to readColdTooth wrote:
thankfully i am a vulpix so i cant readKarmine wrote:
That's a lot of text.
I am glad I did the bare minimum in my presidency.
Former president bad, current president good.Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I am glad I did the bare minimum in my presidency.
If you guys just had voted for me, we would have been doing a orgy event at this point
Just slowly let it decay...
done community/forums/topics/1021462Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
B0ii wrote:
well... is there one that ACTUALLY PUTS SOMETHING ABOUT DENIZENSHIP INTO SET STONE?Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:
There is.Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
V. Denizens may acquire denizenship if they fulfill the current requirements stated by the Royal Society, which can be found atuntil community/forums/topics/1276058
community/forums/topics/615764
03/19/2021So basically right now, officially, parliament votes on who becomes denizen. Heeyyy elections matter!
Time requirement for denizenship increased from 2 months to 8 months
03/19/2021
Remove the 10 page post history requirement to becoming a denizen.
03/19/2021
Formation of the DAT:
Future OT denizens will have to atleast be in OT for 8 months before their denizenship can be reviewed by the Denizen Approval Team (DAT).
Exceptions to this rule will be decided by the DAT on certain specific cases, when the 8 months requirement is not suitable to judge an individual's denizenship.
The DAT will consists of current Parliament members and will hold votes regarding the inclusion of a denizen to OT.
Once every 1.5 to 2 months, or whenever there's an influx of new denizens, the DAT will hold meetings to review new denizenships.
thank god i dont have the motivation to read:3Karmine wrote:
That's a lot of text.
So you are saying there has been multiple breaking of constitution. Election not being happen last year and the requirement for voting in the election being changed.abraker wrote:
done community/forums/topics/1021462Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
Nobody enforces it so yeahManishh wrote:
So you are saying there has been multiple breaking of constitution. Election not being happen last year and the requirement for voting in the election being changed.abraker wrote:
done community/forums/topics/1021462Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
You are saying like it was not your responsibility to apply it last yearPolyspora wrote:
Nobody enforces it so yeahManishh wrote:
So you are saying there has been multiple breaking of constitution. Election not being happen last year and the requirement for voting in the election being changed.abraker wrote:
done community/forums/topics/1021462Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
It wasn't, we weren't even the real parliament. Only promise we made was to continue denizenship.Manishh wrote:
You are saying like it was not your responsibility to apply it last yearPolyspora wrote:
Nobody enforces it so yeahManishh wrote:
So you are saying there has been multiple breaking of constitution. Election not being happen last year and the requirement for voting in the election being changed.abraker wrote:
done community/forums/topics/1021462Polyspora wrote:
Uh @abraker we should probably make a constitution
Be the change you want --Abraker sensei
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also, fun fact: the 8 month requirement was what penguin pushed in 2021, we only increased the post requirement.
8 months is good who is complaining about that?
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cephaphysic is, maybe if you read the thread you would understand stuffYmir wrote:
8 months is good who is complaining about that?
man i miss penguin i hope he's doing good now
I had an intelligent response to this, just letting you know.Patatitta wrote:
cephaphysic is, maybe if you read the thread you would understand stuffYmir wrote:
8 months is good who is complaining about that?
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
5 progressives (Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and 10 conservatives (Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
I was never for the abolitionhis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
I am consistently wanting change to it, just because I am suggesting non-radical changes doesn't mean im conservative.
Any major change I have attempted to talk about just leads people into thinking I want change because I lost denizen or because I want it that bad. Idk.
Any major change I have attempted to talk about just leads people into thinking I want change because I lost denizen or because I want it that bad. Idk.
I'm the enlightened centrist that sits in the middle and doesn't thinkhis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
man fuck this government shit, I just wanna make silly yet deep threads with interesting stories and lorehis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
"OR the reform"Corne2Plum3 wrote:
I was never for the abolitionhis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
I absolutely didn't put you in that category just because you lost denizen, however, as you are the person who has proposed the most changes in this thread (even though Patatitta doesn't care or something), it would be illogical of me to say that you're not in favor of progress. Sorry for the inconvenience I've caused!Blushing wrote:
I am consistently wanting change to it, just because I am suggesting non-radical changes doesn't mean im conservative.
Any major change I have attempted to talk about just leads people into thinking I want change because I lost denizen or because I want it that bad. Idk.
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update: we figured it out
no one is stopping you, denizen thread being one way or another shouldn't affect your threadsB0ii wrote:
man fuck this government shit, I just wanna make silly yet deep threads with interesting stories and lorehis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
i literally dont care i just dislike potatohis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
nah cuz im gonna be real i just wanna have fun here lmaohis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
[ Rynn ] wrote:
nah cuz im gonna be real i just wanna have fun here lmaohis everything wrote:
So far from this thread alone, without counting the president, I can see that there are5 progressives(Reyalp51, Pillowey, boat, Corne2Plum3, cephaphysic) for the abolition OR the reform of the denizenship and10 conservatives(Ymir, sametdze, burgernfat, [ Rynn ], Blushing, Manishh, Dementedduck, B0ii, Serraionga, keremaru) against any changes OR for just a few corrections.
(The others are either neutral or I don't know)
((Please correct me if I have made a mistake))
Yeup, all of this is larp, especially if you're already a Denizen.Patatitta wrote:
no one is stopping you, denizen thread being one way or another shouldn't affect your threads
At least it's an interesting larp!Ymir wrote:
Yeup, all of this is larp, especially if you're already a Denizen.Patatitta wrote:
no one is stopping you, denizen thread being one way or another shouldn't affect your threads