i feel like most people who gets exiled usually did some retarded shit that leds him to it, unless if the person changes than that could be negotiated, otherwise i think “never” is kinda reasonable. Wouldnt wanna nominate a retard innit
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Yeah, I think it should remain as "never". Exceptions should be allowed to be made, but I can't imagine many are necessary tbh.
Something is better than nothing
My vote to you
My vote to you
Topic Starter
Also I said that they must never been exiled to become an denizenship nominee, they can become an official denizen 3 months later if the parliament believed that person has changed and accept them
wtf happened to spur all this denizen stuff to be reviewed while i was gone
elections
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Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
originally before penguin's parliament voting, for a lurker to obtain denizenship they must be on OT for 3 months and accumulate 10 pages of OT posts.Julian_Kaiser wrote:
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
Does that still apply with penguin's current denizenship requirement?ClevelandsMyBro wrote:
originally before penguin's parliament voting, for a lurker to obtain denizenship they must be on OT for 3 months and accumulate 10 pages of OT posts.Julian_Kaiser wrote:
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
no. he changed it to 8 months on OT and i believe he removed the 10 pages threashhold in favour of parliament voting.
Penguin's approach to tackle to the issues of denizenship status was a better idea.
Penguin only wanted an eight months time of active presence on OT.
ShinRun requires 5 months for nomination and another 3 months for denizenship title.
How is that a better solution when it basically needs the same requirements with some additional steps?
Penguin only wanted an eight months time of active presence on OT.
ShinRun requires 5 months for nomination and another 3 months for denizenship title.
How is that a better solution when it basically needs the same requirements with some additional steps?
Is denizenship required? What are the benefits of becoming a denizen?
anyways shin, i absolutely disagree with the temporary denizenship.
I take my vote again
You literally do not have a voteManishh wrote:
I take my vote again
ghoulybits wrote:
You literally do not have a voteManishh wrote:
I take my vote again
Yhuan Debeste wrote:
damn you need to make threads now
Wasnt the issue that 8 months just made people give up entirely and leave since its practically a millenia in internet time?
And two weeks to reset such a massive amount of time spent seems a bit steep honestly.
This just seems like more stuff for the parliament people to keep track of for the same effect.
Theres an argument to be made that we may not want the people who only want the title and arent here to talk about random stuff, but I dont really think this changes much tbh.
People have said before that just reducing the time to ~4-6 months and keeping/reinforcing the requirement to have contributed something notable to OT could be better, still keeps people who are only here to be denizen away, but people arent stuck waiting forever.
And two weeks to reset such a massive amount of time spent seems a bit steep honestly.
This just seems like more stuff for the parliament people to keep track of for the same effect.
Theres an argument to be made that we may not want the people who only want the title and arent here to talk about random stuff, but I dont really think this changes much tbh.
People have said before that just reducing the time to ~4-6 months and keeping/reinforcing the requirement to have contributed something notable to OT could be better, still keeps people who are only here to be denizen away, but people arent stuck waiting forever.
Topic Starter
10 pages of post is not much, 5 months give you around 150 days and you just need to post 3-4 times a day to reach 500 postsJulian_Kaiser wrote:
Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
What seem impossible is the length of time not the amount of post
Also making two threads with some effort is not hard at all, I’m only putting this in since like 3 member of 8th gen never made a thread
The time and other requirements could be changed, I just wanted to get my point acrossWitherMite wrote:
And two weeks to reset such a massive amount of time spent seems a bit steep honestly.
Doesn't explain why it's lesser of a hassle than Penguin's proposal.ShinRun wrote:
10 pages of post is not much, 5 months give you around 150 days and you just need to post 3-4 times a day to reach 500 postsJulian_Kaiser wrote:
Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.
Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
What seem impossible is the length of time not the amount of post
Also making two threads with some effort is not hard at all, I’m only putting this in since like 3 member of 8th gen never made a thread
Topic Starter
It’s literally because 5 months is shorter than 8
that dont solve the problem of it being more complicated than the old one. you added like a bjillion more process than penguin's.
Topic Starter
You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
How hard is it to comprehend.
Also about the argument that this is too much work for the parliament, I don’t think I seen parliament do anything except choosing new denizen which happen every other month
How hard is it to comprehend.
Also about the argument that this is too much work for the parliament, I don’t think I seen parliament do anything except choosing new denizen which happen every other month
How is this more lenient?ShinRun wrote:
You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
You still have to be active for every two weeks otherwise you lose your nomination. The length still stretches to eight months.
And you added the law that everyone has to forge at least two threads of quality. Which in this case, you are probably going to be the one deciding whether it's of quality or not.
You are infusing more strictness into it.
Topic Starter
I never once said my proposal is more lenient in my post, I just said it’s faster to reach.Julian_Kaiser wrote:
How is this more lenient?ShinRun wrote:
You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
You still have to be active for every two weeks otherwise you lose your nomination. The length still stretches to eight months.
And you added the law that everyone has to forge at least two threads of quality. Which in this case, you are probably going to be the one deciding whether it's of quality or not.
You are infusing more strictness into it.
Even if it’s more strict, it’s for the good of OT. Have you not seen how fucked gen 8 is?
I have never seen Cerno, Yhuan Debeste or Itz_uwu_plays make any thread, Cerno and Yhuan Debeste went inactive right after reaching denizen, Bambinex and uwu dropped their activity right after reaching denizen.
Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OT
These people are suppose to set up for next gen but clearly they aren’t so I’m trying to change the rules to make OT better.
I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.
I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
shame. knowing you and me started at around the same time.NoobDev wrote:
Yeah about the threads, I'll never be a denizen.
You are trying to make the members of this forum category more of a creed matter.
All denizens are supposed to be observant followers of this forum category in order to be qualified its members. You enforced new practices to be observed. You're against the idea of members being inconsistently active.
Also,
The reason why they become inactive after is because 8 months is an excruciating process, thus they get relieved after. If denizenship status was more of a status and not more of an achievement title, they wouldn't have been this way.
All denizens are supposed to be observant followers of this forum category in order to be qualified its members. You enforced new practices to be observed. You're against the idea of members being inconsistently active.
Also,
Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OTI bet gradually and slowly you'll make it mandatory to post at least once a day or something of the sort. You're not letting them be active on other forum categories.
The reason why they become inactive after is because 8 months is an excruciating process, thus they get relieved after. If denizenship status was more of a status and not more of an achievement title, they wouldn't have been this way.
Topic Starter
I never said people can’t spend more time on other forum, have you not seen the amount of time I asked for Raffi to become denizen but yes I don’t like the idea of inconsistent activity in OT.
Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.
If you want early access, you gotta spend more
I don’t give a damn what people do after they reach 8 months, I’ll just saying we should have a quicker way to nominate denizen to satisfy newer members
Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.
If you want early access, you gotta spend more
I don’t give a damn what people do after they reach 8 months, I’ll just saying we should have a quicker way to nominate denizen to satisfy newer members
I feel like i am in g&r
feel like home
feel like home
I can pretend to have a voteghoulybits wrote:
You literally do not have a voteManishh wrote:
I take my vote again
Topic Starter
Old fags like it longer and new member want it shorter so that’s why I proposed this planCorne2Plum3 wrote:
I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.
I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?Manishh wrote:
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
67.28%Asian Warlord wrote:
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?Manishh wrote:
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
Topic Starter
Hmmm I think I’ll change it to 250 post instead of 500 to make it a bit more reasonable
Accepted. This is reasonable.ShinRun wrote:
Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.
Topic Starter
Have you literally not read the whole post
I did. Your point being?ShinRun wrote:
Have you literally not read the whole post
Topic Starter
My point is that this whole argument wouldn’t have started if you realized that this whole thing isn’t mandatoryJulian_Kaiser wrote:
I did. Your point being?ShinRun wrote:
Have you literally not read the whole post
You didn't mention it?
Neh 500 is already soo lessShinRun wrote:
Hmmm I think I’ll change it to 250 post instead of 500 to make it a bit more reasonable
Thanks brovAbroker wrote:
yes you canManishh wrote:
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
"Abroker"
broke
Abrooker
abraker wrote:
I'm neither the ass nor the breaker, i am abroker
the solution sounds decent on paper, i will admit that.
This seems like a fake "issue" that is being created only for the sake of fake "progress". Manufacturing a fake problem, tricking your populace into thinking it is a real issue, then proposing a fake solution is an age old scummy tactic for politicians running for office..
Who is saying that we have a denizenship problem? Children being impatient doesn't constitute as a real "problem". 10 Denizens have already been accepted since my proposal went into action. There are a total of 128 denizens in generations 2-7. Gens 2-7 lasted approximately 12 years. That means that we had an average of 10-11 denizens per year prior to Gen 8. It has been about a year since my proposal went through and 10 denizens have been introduced in the past year. Everything seems to be perfectly fine to me.
If the issue that you're trying to tackle is the activity in OT, then I recommend you try elsewhere. Activity has not decreased at all due to my denizen requirements. My policies were set in place to address the quality issues that were were seeing in OT at the time, and it helped immensely. I'm sure that you can ask many of the denizens who were present at the time and they will tell you that we had a massive issue at the time.
The changes that you are proposing, Shin, will reintroduce the very thing my policy has set out to get rid of! You will be solving absolutely nothing, while introducing a whole mess of new issues! I recommend you dig a bit deeper into the history of OT before you propose such ridiculous changes.
Who is saying that we have a denizenship problem? Children being impatient doesn't constitute as a real "problem". 10 Denizens have already been accepted since my proposal went into action. There are a total of 128 denizens in generations 2-7. Gens 2-7 lasted approximately 12 years. That means that we had an average of 10-11 denizens per year prior to Gen 8. It has been about a year since my proposal went through and 10 denizens have been introduced in the past year. Everything seems to be perfectly fine to me.
If the issue that you're trying to tackle is the activity in OT, then I recommend you try elsewhere. Activity has not decreased at all due to my denizen requirements. My policies were set in place to address the quality issues that were were seeing in OT at the time, and it helped immensely. I'm sure that you can ask many of the denizens who were present at the time and they will tell you that we had a massive issue at the time.
The changes that you are proposing, Shin, will reintroduce the very thing my policy has set out to get rid of! You will be solving absolutely nothing, while introducing a whole mess of new issues! I recommend you dig a bit deeper into the history of OT before you propose such ridiculous changes.
I feel like blaming how people comes and goes to OT to how denizenship is handled is not a right approach.
The reason why activities decreased is because the quality of threads and interactions have gone down through out the months/years. People are less likely to go back to OT when they have no attachments or any meaningful interactions on OT.
Until that problem is solved or dealt with, changing the denizenship requirements will not change how people posts or their attitude on the forums.
Sure, activity on OT might have a boost for a short period, but it'll eventually go back down when people are bored or that they realized that the title of an OT denizen literally means nothing.
Not to mention this goes against why abraker started this denizenship thing in the first place. It was meant to be a reward/acknowledgement for meaningful contributions to the forum, no matter how brief it was.
The change you're proposing will change the very nature of this and will turn denizenship into an elitist title that people have to work for and prove themselves for and yes, some people are desperate for internet clout and in that way, you'd get more activities on the forums, but personally if you ask me, the people who only interacts with a community ONLY for an "elite" title and bragging rights will not bring good or meaningful contents to it, nor are they very fun to interact with on the forums either.
I'd much rather we have less denizens but they actually know and interacts with each other in a meaningful way than having more retards who would just spam the forums for a few months so they could get a meaningless internet made up title.
The reason why activities decreased is because the quality of threads and interactions have gone down through out the months/years. People are less likely to go back to OT when they have no attachments or any meaningful interactions on OT.
Until that problem is solved or dealt with, changing the denizenship requirements will not change how people posts or their attitude on the forums.
Sure, activity on OT might have a boost for a short period, but it'll eventually go back down when people are bored or that they realized that the title of an OT denizen literally means nothing.
Not to mention this goes against why abraker started this denizenship thing in the first place. It was meant to be a reward/acknowledgement for meaningful contributions to the forum, no matter how brief it was.
The change you're proposing will change the very nature of this and will turn denizenship into an elitist title that people have to work for and prove themselves for and yes, some people are desperate for internet clout and in that way, you'd get more activities on the forums, but personally if you ask me, the people who only interacts with a community ONLY for an "elite" title and bragging rights will not bring good or meaningful contents to it, nor are they very fun to interact with on the forums either.
I'd much rather we have less denizens but they actually know and interacts with each other in a meaningful way than having more retards who would just spam the forums for a few months so they could get a meaningless internet made up title.
Is the denizenship already more "elitist" by increasing the requirement?Tad Fibonacci wrote:
Not to mention this goes against why abraker started this denizenship thing in the first place. It was meant to be a reward/acknowledgement for meaningful contributions to the forum, no matter how brief it was.
The change you're proposing will change the very nature of this and will turn denizenship into an elitist title that people have to work for and prove themselves for and yes, some people are desperate for internet clout and in that way, you'd get more activities on the forums, but personally if you ask me, the people who only interacts with a community ONLY for an "elite" title and bragging rights will not bring good or meaningful contents to it, nor are they very fun to interact with on the forums either.
hmmm...
this honestly. just because one guy *cough* manish *cough* was complaing that the threshold is too great doesnt mean the system is rigged at the first place.Tad Fibonacci wrote:
I'd much rather we have less denizens but they actually know and interacts with each other in a meaningful way than having more retards who would just spam the forums for a few months so they could get a meaningless internet made up title.
I take my vote back
In for this proposal
Topic Starter
I didn’t propose this just because Manish was constantly complaining but because 8th gen actually talked about the requirement being a bit too long a while back on NEOS.
But ill think about it after what Penguin and Tad said
But ill think about it after what Penguin and Tad said
Manish is still trying to take air back.
Thank god i didn't need to rely on crutches like this to become denizen
Complaining is my right
but it won't do anythingManishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
poop
Ayo for those who are complaining then.
don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype) + not funny didn't laugh + you're* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ask deez + ez clap + straight cash + ratio again + final ratio + stay mad + stay pressed + pedophile + cancelled + done for + mad free + freer than air + rip bozo + slight_smile + cringe again + mad cuz bad + lol + irrelevant + cope + jealous + go ahead whine about it + your problem + don't care even more + sex offender + sex defender + not okay + glhf + problematic
don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype) + not funny didn't laugh + you're* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ask deez + ez clap + straight cash + ratio again + final ratio + stay mad + stay pressed + pedophile + cancelled + done for + mad free + freer than air + rip bozo + slight_smile + cringe again + mad cuz bad + lol + irrelevant + cope + jealous + go ahead whine about it + your problem + don't care even more + sex offender + sex defender + not okay + glhf + problematic
average twitter user:Asian Warlord wrote:
Ayo for those who are complaining then.
don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype) + not funny didn't laugh + you're* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ask deez + ez clap + straight cash + ratio again + final ratio + stay mad + stay pressed + pedophile + cancelled + done for + mad free + freer than air + rip bozo + slight_smile + cringe again + mad cuz bad + lol + irrelevant + cope + jealous + go ahead whine about it + your problem + don't care even more + sex offender + sex defender + not okay + glhf + problematic
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
oh shit, talk to himYyottaCat wrote:
Then why don't you make something interesting?Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Easier Said than doneYyottaCat wrote:
Then why don't you make something interesting?Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
hmmManishh wrote:
Easier Said than doneYyottaCat wrote:
Then why don't you make something interesting?Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
The most crucial step to accomplish anything is to start.Manishh wrote:
Easier Said than doneYyottaCat wrote:
Then why don't you make something interesting?Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Topic Starter
Yyotta out here doing god's work and convincing people to make quality threads
*sigh*
Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threadsabraker wrote:
*sigh*
Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
yes, you're active since a few months but I don't remember that you created a high quality thread, like the shops, rp, events, ...Manishh wrote:
I didn't said they have to take my complaintYyottaCat wrote:
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.Manishh wrote:
Complaining is my right
What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Yes that's what make ot otz0z wrote:
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threadsabraker wrote:
*sigh*
Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
Topic Starter
Just think for 2 minutes and you’ll come up with a good idea for a thread
you aren't the average personManishh wrote:
Yes that's what make ot otz0z wrote:
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threadsabraker wrote:
*sigh*
Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
the average person doesn't even post here