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Solution for the denizen problem

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ShinRun
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ShinRun

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
How is this more lenient?

You still have to be active for every two weeks otherwise you lose your nomination. The length still stretches to eight months.
And you added the law that everyone has to forge at least two threads of quality. Which in this case, you are probably going to be the one deciding whether it's of quality or not.

You are infusing more strictness into it.
I never once said my proposal is more lenient in my post, I just said it’s faster to reach.

Even if it’s more strict, it’s for the good of OT. Have you not seen how fucked gen 8 is?

I have never seen Cerno, Yhuan Debeste or Itz_uwu_plays make any thread, Cerno and Yhuan Debeste went inactive right after reaching denizen, Bambinex and uwu dropped their activity right after reaching denizen.

Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OT

These people are suppose to set up for next gen but clearly they aren’t so I’m trying to change the rules to make OT better.
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Noob
149 posts
Joined August 2020
Noob
Yeah about the threads, I'll never be a denizen.
Corne2Plum3
Global Moderator
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Joined November 2019
Corne2Plum3
I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.

I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
ClevelandsMyBro
885 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro

NoobDev wrote:

Yeah about the threads, I'll never be a denizen.
shame. knowing you and me started at around the same time.
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser
You are trying to make the members of this forum category more of a creed matter.
All denizens are supposed to be observant followers of this forum category in order to be qualified its members. You enforced new practices to be observed. You're against the idea of members being inconsistently active.
Also,
Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OT
I bet gradually and slowly you'll make it mandatory to post at least once a day or something of the sort. You're not letting them be active on other forum categories.

The reason why they become inactive after is because 8 months is an excruciating process, thus they get relieved after. If denizenship status was more of a status and not more of an achievement title, they wouldn't have been this way.
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
I never said people can’t spend more time on other forum, have you not seen the amount of time I asked for Raffi to become denizen but yes I don’t like the idea of inconsistent activity in OT.

Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.

If you want early access, you gotta spend more

I don’t give a damn what people do after they reach 8 months, I’ll just saying we should have a quicker way to nominate denizen to satisfy newer members
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Manishh
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Joined October 2020
Manishh
I feel like i am in g&r
feel like home



ghoulybits wrote:

Manishh wrote:

I take my vote again
You literally do not have a vote
I can pretend to have a vote
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.

I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
Old fags like it longer and new member want it shorter so that’s why I proposed this plan
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
Asian Warlord
33 posts
Joined November 2020
Asian Warlord

Manishh wrote:

Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

Asian Warlord wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?
67.28%
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Hmmm I think I’ll change it to 250 post instead of 500 to make it a bit more reasonable
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.
Accepted. This is reasonable.
ShinRun
269 posts
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Topic Starter
ShinRun
Have you literally not read the whole post
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

Have you literally not read the whole post
I did. Your point being?
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Have you literally not read the whole post
I did. Your point being?
My point is that this whole argument wouldn’t have started if you realized that this whole thing isn’t mandatory
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
You didn't mention it?




ShinRun wrote:

Hmmm I think I’ll change it to 250 post instead of 500 to make it a bit more reasonable
Neh 500 is already soo less
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

Abroker wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
yes you can
Thanks brov
ghoulybits
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ghoulybits
"Abroker"
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
broke
z0z
521 posts
Joined February 2018
z0z
a baker
Hoshimegu Mio
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Joined July 2020
Hoshimegu Mio
Abrooker
Cerno
169 posts
Joined November 2019
Cerno
Abroccoli
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Ass Breaker
abraker
Global Moderator
8,356 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
I'm neither the ass nor the breaker.
keremaru
228 posts
Joined November 2017
keremaru
luckily i'm old
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

abraker wrote:

I'm neither the ass nor the breaker, i am abroker
Farfocele
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Joined April 2020
Farfocele
the solution sounds decent on paper, i will admit that.
Penguin
324 posts
Joined August 2013
Penguin
This seems like a fake "issue" that is being created only for the sake of fake "progress". Manufacturing a fake problem, tricking your populace into thinking it is a real issue, then proposing a fake solution is an age old scummy tactic for politicians running for office..

Who is saying that we have a denizenship problem? Children being impatient doesn't constitute as a real "problem". 10 Denizens have already been accepted since my proposal went into action. There are a total of 128 denizens in generations 2-7. Gens 2-7 lasted approximately 12 years. That means that we had an average of 10-11 denizens per year prior to Gen 8. It has been about a year since my proposal went through and 10 denizens have been introduced in the past year. Everything seems to be perfectly fine to me.

If the issue that you're trying to tackle is the activity in OT, then I recommend you try elsewhere. Activity has not decreased at all due to my denizen requirements. My policies were set in place to address the quality issues that were were seeing in OT at the time, and it helped immensely. I'm sure that you can ask many of the denizens who were present at the time and they will tell you that we had a massive issue at the time.

The changes that you are proposing, Shin, will reintroduce the very thing my policy has set out to get rid of! You will be solving absolutely nothing, while introducing a whole mess of new issues! I recommend you dig a bit deeper into the history of OT before you propose such ridiculous changes.
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Tad Fibonacci
112 posts
Joined August 2015
Tad Fibonacci
I feel like blaming how people comes and goes to OT to how denizenship is handled is not a right approach.

The reason why activities decreased is because the quality of threads and interactions have gone down through out the months/years. People are less likely to go back to OT when they have no attachments or any meaningful interactions on OT.

Until that problem is solved or dealt with, changing the denizenship requirements will not change how people posts or their attitude on the forums.
Sure, activity on OT might have a boost for a short period, but it'll eventually go back down when people are bored or that they realized that the title of an OT denizen literally means nothing.

Not to mention this goes against why abraker started this denizenship thing in the first place. It was meant to be a reward/acknowledgement for meaningful contributions to the forum, no matter how brief it was.
The change you're proposing will change the very nature of this and will turn denizenship into an elitist title that people have to work for and prove themselves for and yes, some people are desperate for internet clout and in that way, you'd get more activities on the forums, but personally if you ask me, the people who only interacts with a community ONLY for an "elite" title and bragging rights will not bring good or meaningful contents to it, nor are they very fun to interact with on the forums either.

I'd much rather we have less denizens but they actually know and interacts with each other in a meaningful way than having more retards who would just spam the forums for a few months so they could get a meaningless internet made up title.
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Corne2Plum3
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Corne2Plum3

Tad Fibonacci wrote:

Not to mention this goes against why abraker started this denizenship thing in the first place. It was meant to be a reward/acknowledgement for meaningful contributions to the forum, no matter how brief it was.
The change you're proposing will change the very nature of this and will turn denizenship into an elitist title that people have to work for and prove themselves for and yes, some people are desperate for internet clout and in that way, you'd get more activities on the forums, but personally if you ask me, the people who only interacts with a community ONLY for an "elite" title and bragging rights will not bring good or meaningful contents to it, nor are they very fun to interact with on the forums either.
Is the denizenship already more "elitist" by increasing the requirement?
igorsprite
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igorsprite
Farfocele
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Farfocele
hmmm...
ClevelandsMyBro
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Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro

Tad Fibonacci wrote:

I'd much rather we have less denizens but they actually know and interacts with each other in a meaningful way than having more retards who would just spam the forums for a few months so they could get a meaningless internet made up title.
this honestly. just because one guy *cough* manish *cough* was complaing that the threshold is too great doesnt mean the system is rigged at the first place.
Manishh
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Manishh
I take my vote back
McEndu
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McEndu
In for this proposal
ShinRun
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Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
I didn’t propose this just because Manish was constantly complaining but because 8th gen actually talked about the requirement being a bit too long a while back on NEOS.

But ill think about it after what Penguin and Tad said
Hoshimegu Mio
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Hoshimegu Mio
Manish is still trying to take air back.
Farfocele
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Farfocele
Thank god i didn't need to rely on crutches like this to become denizen
Manishh
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Joined October 2020
Manishh
Complaining is my right
z0z
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Joined February 2018
z0z

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
but it won't do anything
Hoshimegu Mio
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Hoshimegu Mio

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
Serraionga
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Serraionga
poop
Asian Warlord
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Joined November 2020
Asian Warlord
Ayo for those who are complaining then.


don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype) + not funny didn't laugh + you're* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ask deez + ez clap + straight cash + ratio again + final ratio + stay mad + stay pressed + pedophile + cancelled + done for + mad free + freer than air + rip bozo + slight_smile + cringe again + mad cuz bad + lol + irrelevant + cope + jealous + go ahead whine about it + your problem + don't care even more + sex offender + sex defender + not okay + glhf + problematic
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z0z
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Joined February 2018
z0z

Asian Warlord wrote:

Ayo for those who are complaining then.


don't care + didn't ask + you're white + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + hoes mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off + the audacity + triggered + any askers + redpilled + get a life + ok and? + cringe + touch grass + donowalled + not based + your're a (insert stereotype) + not funny didn't laugh + you're* + grammar issue + go outside + get good + reported + ad hominem + GG! + ask deez + ez clap + straight cash + ratio again + final ratio + stay mad + stay pressed + pedophile + cancelled + done for + mad free + freer than air + rip bozo + slight_smile + cringe again + mad cuz bad + lol + irrelevant + cope + jealous + go ahead whine about it + your problem + don't care even more + sex offender + sex defender + not okay + glhf + problematic
average twitter user:
Manishh
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Manishh

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Hoshimegu Mio
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Hoshimegu Mio

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?
Asian Warlord
33 posts
Joined November 2020
Asian Warlord

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?
oh shit, talk to him
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?
Easier Said than done
Farfocele
1,105 posts
Joined April 2020
Farfocele

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?
Easier Said than done
hmm
Hoshimegu Mio
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Joined July 2020
Hoshimegu Mio

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
Then why don't you make something interesting?
Easier Said than done
The most crucial step to accomplish anything is to start.
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Yyotta out here doing god's work and convincing people to make quality threads
abraker
Global Moderator
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Joined July 2014
abraker
*sigh*

Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
z0z
521 posts
Joined February 2018
z0z

abraker wrote:

*sigh*

Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threads
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Corne2Plum3
Global Moderator
1,881 posts
Joined November 2019
Corne2Plum3

Manishh wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Complaining is my right
People not taking your complaints into consideration is also their rights. You haven't even been here for that long and you're not denizen. You've been screwing around for a very long time and you haven't done anything productive here.
I didn't said they have to take my complaint

What productive do you want others to do? Like make a shop?
I am screwing around but at least I am active for 4months, and that's a long time seeming that you are spending this on a forum which mostly threads are boring
yes, you're active since a few months but I don't remember that you created a high quality thread, like the shops, rp, events, ...
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

z0z wrote:

abraker wrote:

*sigh*

Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threads
Yes that's what make ot ot
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Just think for 2 minutes and you’ll come up with a good idea for a thread
z0z
521 posts
Joined February 2018
z0z

Manishh wrote:

z0z wrote:

abraker wrote:

*sigh*

Apparently making threads that don't get wastelanded is an acquired skill too
i mean when the average person sees off-topic, they probably don't think of high level threads
Yes that's what make ot ot
you aren't the average person
the average person doesn't even post here
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