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Solution for the denizen problem

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ShinRun
269 posts
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ShinRun
During my stay on OT, reaching the title of denizen has always seem like an impossible task due to the amount of time you must spend on OT. 8 month of constant posting on OT just seem like such a long time and indeed it is so I propose a plan to change it.

The original denizen requirement of 8 months made by Penguin won't really be changed however it would be moved back a step. My solution is to create a sub category called the "Denizenship Nominee" which is attainable before denizen.

Also Denizenship Nominee is entirely optional so if you don’t like making post and thread, you can just wait 8 months and get the denizen title normally.

The requirement for denizenship nominee are as followed

- Five months of constant activity on OT
- At least 2 decent quality threads
- 250 OT post or 5 pages of post (FG doesn't count)
- Never been exiled before

If someone meet all these condition, they can submit an report and the parliament will decide if they are qualified for the title. If the are denied, they can only wait a few more month to be officially titled as denizen but if they are accepted, they gain the title of denizenship nominee. Denizenship nominee give you the same privileges as a normal denizen but with a few rules.

- A denizenship nominee will lose the title if he/she goes inactive on OT for anymore than two weeks
- A denizenship nominee will lose the title if he/she started to break many rules
- A denizenship nominee cannot run for president
- A denizenship nominee will not be placed in the Denizen generation map

The parliament will could also vote to remove someone's title of denizenship nominee and if you somehow loses it, you cannot apply for denizenship nominee again and can only wait for the official denizen title

If a denizenship nominee follow the rules for another 3 months (8 months in total). they will automatically become an official denizen.

If you wish to see this change asap, vote ShinRun for OT presidency 2022
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ghoulybits
78 posts
Joined January 2017
ghoulybits
Wow! Wonder who came up with that brilliant name!


All jokes aside though, I do like this idea.
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Cerno
169 posts
Joined November 2019
Cerno
big brainer
Joon Yorigami
1,009 posts
Joined September 2020
Joon Yorigami
damn you need to make threads now
igorsprite
623 posts
Joined September 2015
igorsprite

ShinRun wrote:

- Never been exiled before
this doesn't make sense because we have denizens who have been exiled before.
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

igorsprite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

- Never been exiled before
this doesn't make sense because we have denizens who have been exiled before.
This only applies after this is passed

It's like how people who became denizen with the 2 month requirement are still denizen
igorsprite
623 posts
Joined September 2015
igorsprite

ShinRun wrote:

This only applies after this is passed

It's like how people who became denizen with the 2 month requirement are still denizen
maybe you could change to "exiled in recent times" instead of "never".
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

igorsprite wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

This only applies after this is passed

It's like how people who became denizen with the 2 month requirement are still denizen
maybe you could change to "exiled in recent times" instead of "never".
I mean if you're exiled more than once within 5 months, you're probably not worthy of denizen nominee
Cerno
169 posts
Joined November 2019
Cerno
i feel like most people who gets exiled usually did some retarded shit that leds him to it, unless if the person changes than that could be negotiated, otherwise i think “never” is kinda reasonable. Wouldnt wanna nominate a retard innit
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ghoulybits
78 posts
Joined January 2017
ghoulybits
Yeah, I think it should remain as "never". Exceptions should be allowed to be made, but I can't imagine many are necessary tbh.
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
Something is better than nothing
My vote to you
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Also I said that they must never been exiled to become an denizenship nominee, they can become an official denizen 3 months later if the parliament believed that person has changed and accept them
Puck_
254 posts
Joined January 2020
Puck_
wtf happened to spur all this denizen stuff to be reviewed while i was gone
WitherMite
1,610 posts
Joined August 2019
WitherMite
elections
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
Politics
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser
Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.

Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
ClevelandsMyBro
885 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
originally before penguin's parliament voting, for a lurker to obtain denizenship they must be on OT for 3 months and accumulate 10 pages of OT posts.
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
originally before penguin's parliament voting, for a lurker to obtain denizenship they must be on OT for 3 months and accumulate 10 pages of OT posts.
Does that still apply with penguin's current denizenship requirement?
ClevelandsMyBro
885 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro
no. he changed it to 8 months on OT and i believe he removed the 10 pages threashhold in favour of parliament voting.
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser
Penguin's approach to tackle to the issues of denizenship status was a better idea.

Penguin only wanted an eight months time of active presence on OT.

ShinRun requires 5 months for nomination and another 3 months for denizenship title.

How is that a better solution when it basically needs the same requirements with some additional steps?
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Scyla
71 posts
Joined February 2022
Scyla
Is denizenship required? What are the benefits of becoming a denizen?
ClevelandsMyBro
885 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro
anyways shin, i absolutely disagree with the temporary denizenship.
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
I take my vote again
z0z
521 posts
Joined February 2018
z0z
not sure about the 10 pages(people can spam for those posts)
ghoulybits
78 posts
Joined January 2017
ghoulybits

Manishh wrote:

I take my vote again
You literally do not have a vote
Hoshimegu Mio
1,110 posts
Joined July 2020
Hoshimegu Mio

ghoulybits wrote:

Manishh wrote:

I take my vote again
You literally do not have a vote
Patatitta
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Joined February 2020
Patatitta

Yhuan Debeste wrote:

damn you need to make threads now
WitherMite
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Joined August 2019
WitherMite
Wasnt the issue that 8 months just made people give up entirely and leave since its practically a millenia in internet time?

And two weeks to reset such a massive amount of time spent seems a bit steep honestly.

This just seems like more stuff for the parliament people to keep track of for the same effect.

Theres an argument to be made that we may not want the people who only want the title and arent here to talk about random stuff, but I dont really think this changes much tbh.

People have said before that just reducing the time to ~4-6 months and keeping/reinforcing the requirement to have contributed something notable to OT could be better, still keeps people who are only here to be denizen away, but people arent stuck waiting forever.
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.

Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
10 pages of post is not much, 5 months give you around 150 days and you just need to post 3-4 times a day to reach 500 posts

What seem impossible is the length of time not the amount of post

Also making two threads with some effort is not hard at all, I’m only putting this in since like 3 member of 8th gen never made a thread

WitherMite wrote:

And two weeks to reset such a massive amount of time spent seems a bit steep honestly.
The time and other requirements could be changed, I just wanted to get my point across
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Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

Penguin's denizenship proposal seems easier to attain than this excruciating process.
Yours is much more "impossible" compared to his.

Did the original qualification originally require something more than 10 pages of OT posts? Or anything relevant to activity other than length of stay?
10 pages of post is not much, 5 months give you around 150 days and you just need to post 3-4 times a day to reach 500 posts

What seem impossible is the length of time not the amount of post

Also making two threads with some effort is not hard at all, I’m only putting this in since like 3 member of 8th gen never made a thread
Doesn't explain why it's lesser of a hassle than Penguin's proposal.
ShinRun
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ShinRun
It’s literally because 5 months is shorter than 8
ClevelandsMyBro
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Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro
that dont solve the problem of it being more complicated than the old one. you added like a bjillion more process than penguin's.
ShinRun
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ShinRun
You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.

How hard is it to comprehend.

Also about the argument that this is too much work for the parliament, I don’t think I seen parliament do anything except choosing new denizen which happen every other month
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
How is this more lenient?

You still have to be active for every two weeks otherwise you lose your nomination. The length still stretches to eight months.
And you added the law that everyone has to forge at least two threads of quality. Which in this case, you are probably going to be the one deciding whether it's of quality or not.

You are infusing more strictness into it.
ShinRun
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ShinRun

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

You just gotta be active for 5 months, not break any rules, and make 2 threads.
How is this more lenient?

You still have to be active for every two weeks otherwise you lose your nomination. The length still stretches to eight months.
And you added the law that everyone has to forge at least two threads of quality. Which in this case, you are probably going to be the one deciding whether it's of quality or not.

You are infusing more strictness into it.
I never once said my proposal is more lenient in my post, I just said it’s faster to reach.

Even if it’s more strict, it’s for the good of OT. Have you not seen how fucked gen 8 is?

I have never seen Cerno, Yhuan Debeste or Itz_uwu_plays make any thread, Cerno and Yhuan Debeste went inactive right after reaching denizen, Bambinex and uwu dropped their activity right after reaching denizen.

Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OT

These people are suppose to set up for next gen but clearly they aren’t so I’m trying to change the rules to make OT better.
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Noob
149 posts
Joined August 2020
Noob
Yeah about the threads, I'll never be a denizen.
Corne2Plum3
Global Moderator
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Joined November 2019
Corne2Plum3
I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.

I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
ClevelandsMyBro
885 posts
Joined April 2018
ClevelandsMyBro

NoobDev wrote:

Yeah about the threads, I'll never be a denizen.
shame. knowing you and me started at around the same time.
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser
You are trying to make the members of this forum category more of a creed matter.
All denizens are supposed to be observant followers of this forum category in order to be qualified its members. You enforced new practices to be observed. You're against the idea of members being inconsistently active.
Also,
Not to mention that Raffi spend way more time on FG and barely any time on OT while Farfocele have an very inconsistent activity graph on OT
I bet gradually and slowly you'll make it mandatory to post at least once a day or something of the sort. You're not letting them be active on other forum categories.

The reason why they become inactive after is because 8 months is an excruciating process, thus they get relieved after. If denizenship status was more of a status and not more of an achievement title, they wouldn't have been this way.
ShinRun
269 posts
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ShinRun
I never said people can’t spend more time on other forum, have you not seen the amount of time I asked for Raffi to become denizen but yes I don’t like the idea of inconsistent activity in OT.

Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.

If you want early access, you gotta spend more

I don’t give a damn what people do after they reach 8 months, I’ll just saying we should have a quicker way to nominate denizen to satisfy newer members
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Manishh
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Manishh
I feel like i am in g&r
feel like home



ghoulybits wrote:

Manishh wrote:

I take my vote again
You literally do not have a vote
I can pretend to have a vote
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

I think the problem is 8 months is way too long, and may scare people, so they will don't try. And it's a problem because people will not be changed for the future.

I suggest only 4 months of activity, 200 posts and at least 2 decent threads
Old fags like it longer and new member want it shorter so that’s why I proposed this plan
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh
Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
Asian Warlord
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Joined November 2020
Asian Warlord

Manishh wrote:

Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?
Manishh
2,095 posts
Joined October 2020
Manishh

Asian Warlord wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Do you think I can get nominated in 5 month denzinship
How fucking desperate are you to get the denizen title?
67.28%
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun
Hmmm I think I’ll change it to 250 post instead of 500 to make it a bit more reasonable
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
Joined April 2021
Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

Also this whole proposal is optional meaning if you don’t like spending more effort and time on OT, just wait the original 8 months and be granted denizen the normal way. No one said this is mandatory.
Accepted. This is reasonable.
ShinRun
269 posts
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ShinRun
Have you literally not read the whole post
Julian_Kaiser
196 posts
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Julian_Kaiser

ShinRun wrote:

Have you literally not read the whole post
I did. Your point being?
ShinRun
269 posts
Joined November 2020
Topic Starter
ShinRun

Julian_Kaiser wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Have you literally not read the whole post
I did. Your point being?
My point is that this whole argument wouldn’t have started if you realized that this whole thing isn’t mandatory
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