1. You've got 4 unsnapped objects in AIMod
2. tengaku230.mp3 is not being used, right?
3. So this is really just an opinion, but I think overall your map doesn't play as good as it could because you focused on aesthetics and patterns more than playability and flow. As mappers start to create more and more hard maps we're starting to notice that the ones who play the best are the ones who focus on flow and emphasize individual objects instead of creating flipped patterns and shapes. It's far too late to change this, but I thought I'd let you know for your next project.
4. 00:12:644 (4,5,6) - I understand the intention is to map to the vibrations of the instrument but imo this is overmapping
5. imo, the sv during the entire into is too high, it makes it awkward to play. I recommend to half it down, really. I also think all the ridiculous slider shapes are not needed (and certainly won't be if you lower the SV) as they don't really emphasize anything and honestly don't look as good as simple sliders would.
6. 00:32:040 (5) - move this in a direction that changes flow, like you did with the previous slider. This is awkward to play because you are going in the same direction but have to stop in the middle to hit (4)
7. 00:32:687 (5,6,7) - makes this part more confusing that it needs to be, equal spacing between all three objects but different rhythm. Put 6 closer to the stream and 7 higher up to also add a higher distance to the next object
8. 00:38:247 (4) - move to x:226 y:138 - it creates better emphasis by letting 3 and 6 have big jumps. Also fits aesthetically in a line with the previous stack and the sliderend of 00:39:022 (8) -
9. 00:40:704 (1) - I think this is mapped to the wrong rhythm, the flute is really hard to predict and challenging to sightread. Mapping to the drums would be a better option imo (4 1/3 notes starting from 00:40:832 - ) like you did at 00:44:971 (1) -
10. 00:46:263 (5) - no reason for this to be a slider
11. 00:50:531 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - I don't see the reason to repeat this pattern over and over, there's not such thing in the song and there's potential for something so much better here, you've got some big beats to emphasize and this really doesn't do them justice.
12. 00:52:341 (3,4,5) - same point as earlier, 3 objects in the same direction with very different spacing makes for awkward gameplay
13. 00:54:798 (1,2,3,4,5) - why a 5 note stream? (3) should be replaced by a slider as there are no strong notes in the song at 4 and 5
14. 00:59:324 (8) - same as earlier, although now I see what you tried to map it to. It makes sense but you repeated the pattern for too long, the right rhythm to follow would be to add a circle before (8), the repeating noise you mapped on 2, 4 and 6 is on the white tick and not where 8 is currently placed
15. 01:01:134 (5) - this finish noise is really out of place. Remove it
16. 01:01:652 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - really bad looking stream shape, this is no longer 2010 shiro
17. 01:12:126 (8,9,10,11,12) - according to the general pace this section is going at, this jump is really overdone, it would be better to play if the flow was crossflow and not linear http://i.imgur.com/tc3ZE4q.png
18. 01:26:091 (7,8) - the repeating noise you mapped on 2, 4 and 6 is on the white tick and not where 8 is currently placed
19. 01:39:928 (11) - looks bad placed where it is, move up maybe?
20. 01:42:772 (4,5) - not a fan of that slidershape, I would try to make them more consistent with the shapes you mapped in the rest of this section
21. 02:31:782 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - this plays fine but it's boring, you could change direction/angle every time the singer changes tone?(7, 11, 15, 18) like 04:18:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
22. 02:36:307 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - please no copypaste, at least flip them in some way
23. 02:39:281 - map something here, awkward break in gameplay
24. entire section from 02:52:212 - to 03:00:229 - I don't like this at all, distance snap with patterns that honestly don't look that good, this is beginner mapper produce, you're an experienced mapper and this section feels lazy/rushed, it's just really low quality.
25. 03:16:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - overmapping, imo.
26. 03:17:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - please fix this stream shape, it doesn't look good, it's not symmetrical or anything, the angle change is different everytime for no reason, you can do better.
27. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - same thing. Also the end looks really bad 03:26:996 (15,16,1) -
28. 03:34:238 (5) - why not use the same slider shape as the previous sliders to be consistent?
29. 04:03:591 (7,8,9) - looks horrible, please fix shape
30. 04:29:971 (5,1) - why are these so close to eachother?

Azer wrote:

Final Verdict: I think this map is fundamentally flawed and here's why. You are using 2012-2013 era mapping concepts (distance snap, aesthetic patterns with no consideration for flow, trying too hard to fit blankets anywhere) that worked on 5 star maps on a 7 star map, it doesn't really work. Players who don't really pay attention to how mapping works won't mind this at all, it's fun to them and it doesn't have obvious rhythm flaws or anything like that, but this mapping style simply doesn't work for a map this hard, it's very outdated and that becomes obvious to any experienced mapper who decides to thoroughly look into it. Another big problem is very inconsistent use of slider shapes, sliders should look similar and when they have slightly different angles every time it has a huge impact on the quality of the map. Simply put I don't think this is good enough quality to go anywhere yet, there's a lot of work to do here and hopefully you can cooperate with modern mappers to understand where you did good and where you did wrong. Sorry to be so negative but I care about the quality of hard maps a lot and I want the community to produce the best quality material possible to inspire other mappers to dabble into hard mapping so we can have more good quality extras and less ar10 jumps lol xd bullshit.

Azer wrote:

Hi Shiro, I've been requested to extensively mod this so I'll try my best to help! I want you to know I'm very passionate about the quality of extras so that means I'll be overly critical in my mod. Don't be afraid to deny some points.

1. You've got 4 unsnapped objects in AIMod o good catch
2. tengaku230.mp3 is not being used, right? removed, I'm not sure I even remember what it is
3. So this is really just an opinion, but I think overall your map doesn't play as good as it could because you focused on aesthetics and patterns more than playability and flow. As mappers start to create more and more hard maps we're starting to notice that the ones who play the best are the ones who focus on flow and emphasize individual objects instead of creating flipped patterns and shapes. It's far too late to change this, but I thought I'd let you know for your next project. I didn't. Flow and playability have always been my primary concerns. The patterns simply complement the playability.
4. 00:12:644 (4,5,6) - I understand the intention is to map to the vibrations of the instrument but imo this is overmapping Changed for a single slider
5. imo, the sv during the entire into is too high, it makes it awkward to play. I recommend to half it down, really. I also think all the ridiculous slider shapes are not needed (and certainly won't be if you lower the SV) as they don't really emphasize anything and honestly don't look as good as simple sliders would. I'll keep the long sliders for now, but if this kind of feedback comes back I'll try to find an alternative.
6. 00:32:040 (5) - move this in a direction that changes flow, like you did with the previous slider. This is awkward to play because you are going in the same direction but have to stop in the middle to hit (4) done
7. 00:32:687 (5,6,7) - makes this part more confusing that it needs to be, equal spacing between all three objects but different rhythm. Put 6 closer to the stream and 7 higher up to also add a higher distance to the next object fixed
8. 00:38:247 (4) - move to x:226 y:138 - it creates better emphasis by letting 3 and 6 have big jumps. Also fits aesthetically in a line with the previous stack and the sliderend of 00:39:022 (8) - done
9. 00:40:704 (1) - I think this is mapped to the wrong rhythm, the flute is really hard to predict and challenging to sightread. Mapping to the drums would be a better option imo (4 1/3 notes starting from 00:40:832 - ) like you did at 00:44:971 (1) - changed for a single circle, follow that... harp-like instrument (I have no idea how it's called)
10. 00:46:263 (5) - no reason for this to be a slider I hear a kick at 00:46:328 - and the short slider also works well with the brutal sound imo, I'll keep it
11. 00:50:531 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - I don't see the reason to repeat this pattern over and over, there's not such thing in the song and there's potential for something so much better here, you've got some big beats to emphasize and this really doesn't do them justice. I don't see what else I could do. I'm focusing on the harp-like instrument, again
12. 00:52:341 (3,4,5) - same point as earlier, 3 objects in the same direction with very different spacing makes for awkward gameplay changed
13. 00:54:798 (1,2,3,4,5) - why a 5 note stream? (3) should be replaced by a slider as there are no strong notes in the song at 4 and 5 ok
14. 00:59:324 (8) - same as earlier, although now I see what you tried to map it to. It makes sense but you repeated the pattern for too long, the right rhythm to follow would be to add a circle before (8), the repeating noise you mapped on 2, 4 and 6 is on the white tick and not where 8 is currently placed changed
15. 01:01:134 (5) - this finish noise is really out of place. Remove it idk why there is a finish here at all o.O
16. 01:01:652 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - really bad looking stream shape, this is no longer 2010 Shiro Changed
17. 01:12:126 (8,9,10,11,12) - according to the general pace this section is going at, this jump is really overdone, it would be better to play if the flow was crossflow and not linear http://i.imgur.com/tc3ZE4q.png okay
18. 01:26:091 (7,8) - the repeating noise you mapped on 2, 4 and 6 is on the white tick and not where 8 is currently placed I'm focusing on the big stringed instrument (apparently it's called a koto)
19. 01:39:928 (11) - looks bad placed where it is, move up maybe? not sure how this looks bad at all o.O
20. 01:42:772 (4,5) - not a fan of that slidershape, I would try to make them more consistent with the shapes you mapped in the rest of this section good point
21. 02:31:782 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - this plays fine but it's boring, you could change direction/angle every time the singer changes tone?(7, 11, 15, 18) like 04:18:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - did something i hope it works
22. 02:36:307 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - please no copypaste, at least flip them in some way they are flipped ;w;
23. 02:39:281 - map something here, awkward break in gameplay just added a slider but the break in gameplay is intentional
24. entire section from 02:52:212 - to 03:00:229 - I don't like this at all, distance snap with patterns that honestly don't look that good, this is beginner mapper produce, you're an experienced mapper and this section feels lazy/rushed, it's just really low quality. This is a slow section so I'ml giving the player a chance to readjust their aim and all, since there are no breaks in the map
25. 03:16:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - overmapping, imo. This isn't overmapped, you can't hear the flute going 1/4 here ?
26. 03:17:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - please fix this stream shape, it doesn't look good, it's not symmetrical or anything, the angle change is different everytime for no reason, you can do better.
27. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - same thing. Also the end looks really bad 03:26:996 (15,16,1) -
    For both: I'll stick to simple shapes
28. 03:34:238 (5) - why not use the same slider shape as the previous sliders to be consistent? done
29. 04:03:591 (7,8,9) - looks horrible, please fix shape fixed
30. 04:29:971 (5,1) - why are these so close to eachother? fixed

<wall of text> tl;dr: this map is shit *sigh*

MillhioreF wrote:

May as well give this a quick mod of my own (quick as in I'm only pointing stuff out that I see while playing the map instead of looking at it in edit). I'm probably pointing out some stuff that's been noted in other mods, but in that case it can just be taken as further encouragement to do something about said patterns.

First off, difficulty name should be "Uncompressed Fury of a Raging Japanese God". 'a' and 'an' aren't capitalized even in camel case. good point, I forgot to change it >.<

00:38:247 (4,5,6,7) - Reading the (7) at the end of this pattern is really awkward because of the sudden switch to 1/1. I'd probably bunch up (4,5,6) more personally, or turn (6,7) into a slider. Considering the pattern changed into a less awkward thing I assume no change is needed ?
00:50:272 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - This is really damn hard to read because the sliders are basically overlapping. AR10 doesn't give you a significant enough amount of time to notice that tiny path change in each consecutive slider on a sightread - even if the player assumes everything in the slider stack is a slider because of the repeating stuff here, they're going to think (10) is a slider when really it's a circle, and that just messes everything up. Even just spreading out each one by an additional grid4 or two helps a whole lot here. made them fan out as per Jenny's suggestion
00:58:031 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Same as above. I did hit this one better, but that's probably because I was expecting it this time. changed too
01:09:022 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Just pointing this out because I think it does what you were aiming for in the above two patterns well without being frustrating to read. More like this, please. :3
01:12:126 (8,9,10,11,12) - This flows absolutely terribly IMO. (8,9,10) leave the player's hand going at a really awkward angle for it to then snap into a much sharper triangle. changed as per Azer's suggestion
01:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - More condensed sliders that I don't really like. It feels like you have to memorize how many there are. made them fan out as per Jenny's suggestion
02:00:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - More of the same, but I feel it's even less readable because of the larger distance making your eyes snap back and forth. fanned out too, but the funny thing about this pattern is it plays as if the slider were circles, which makes it easier to hit despite the greater distance!
02:01:781 (9,10,11,12) - This is worth special mention too. I can't read it on any AR at all because the hitbursts from the previous notes completely censor out the next notes from my peripheral vision; obviously this isn't a problem if you have invisible 300s, but it's impolite to not map for the default skin. There are several places throughout the map like this that are slightly questionable, but this is the only one that I had issues with on AR9 due to the extreme spacing. I changed the pattern a bit, but overall it stayed the same. I honestly am not too sure about these because they are rather unintuitive and insanely hard to hit, but I find it to be a fun gimmick and it definitely brings something to the map, so I kept them for now
02:21:695 (7,8,9,10,11,12) - Suddenly changing direction like this is pretty horrible for flow, it can work but I'd recommend lowering the distance between (7,9,11) and (8,10,12) slightly to give the player warning that there's a new direction. Example of what I mean (though the actual note placements could probably be improved further) I will respectfully disagree with that. Originally, the reverse didn't happen and this played rather horribly. I find the reverse in direction to make this easier to hit and to play overall better. This is one of my favourite patterns in the map, too, so I'm rather reluctant to change it >.<
02:46:522 (6,7,8,9) - Another one of these, more spacing please. fanned out
03:04:755 (2,3,4,5,6) - This one actually plays okay! It only repeats once, and there isn't a circle immediately stacked under the sliders. Nice. :3
03:19:238 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - I'd move the stacked notes slightly off the sliderheads here, it's probably okay as is though. I remapped this part so I'm not sure if this still applies
03:23:505 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - This pattern works great because it actually gives you time to parse each individual slider in the stack, and they're separated enough that you can tell (12) isn't a slider. :3
03:31:135 (8) - Any reason this is much lower than the other notes in the pattern? I am really bad at copypasting
03:55:833 (4,1,2,3,4) - Aside from readability issues (I thought that last 4 was a slider again) I'm not sure this is even rankable. The first (4) and (2) are almost perfectly stacked in different directions, and (2) appears before (4) has finished fading. spread them out for readability purposes
04:23:893 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,1) - Nothing actually wrong with this part, but just going back and forth 5 times is a bit boring. self-changed that a while ago

That's about it, I think! I really don't think the map is fundamentally flawed, it's mostly just that one repeating slider-circle-slider-circle pattern you use a bunch that's nigh impossible to sightread properly. I've played this map 3 times (ar10, then ar9, then ar9.5) and still uphold most of these for all three. It's hard as balls, but really that's okay.

1. 00:37:989 (3,4,5,6,7) - Not sure if it's because I lack playing skills, but this placement was a little questionable regarding the intuitive reading.
2. 01:56:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - Nice pattern.

Sonnyc wrote:

Just a random comment passing by.

1. 00:37:989 (3,4,5,6,7) - Not sure if it's because I lack playing skills, but this placement was a little questionable regarding the intuitive reading. I'm not too worried about this one, every testplayer got it right after the update (as opposed to before), the large spacing helps make this readable.
2. 01:56:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - Nice pattern. thank you !

Nice one here, especially for the rotation patterns. thank you :3

Silverboxer wrote:

I just wanted to mention that the changes to the map so far have all been positive, but if people keep telling Shiro to make everything more readable and the jumps less back and forth or the patterns to not repeat so much, then that's changing a lot of the map's gimmicks. I really think the patterns are nice the way they are. Good luck getting this ranked Shiro thanks, i will need it ;w;

jesus1412 wrote:

00:42:902 (14,15) - Feels a little bit confusing, seems like a 1/2 jump. Possibly mess around with newcombos to fix? Fixed, but in a more gimmicky way =P
00:50:531 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - This pattern in itself is fine. The issue with your overlapping sliders is more so related to here: 00:51:436 (10,11,12) - , What happens is the player gets into a rhythm of following the note slider pattern repeatedly and musically it's hard to recognize a reason for that pattern to change. What you end up getting is a player doing this jump 00:51:307 (9,10) - and expecting a centre-left movement, they in fact are slapped with the complete opposite. You could fix this by moving 00:51:565 (2) - to the right although I think that would ruin what you're aiming for. A secondary option might be to move 00:51:436 (1) - so that it isn't overlapping with the sliders and/or add a newcombo to inform the player that the pattern is changing. I'm going to refer to other places with similar issues with a "%". did my best to fix this but I don't know if my fix works
00:59:195 (8,9,10) - Just to add to the previous feedback, this pattern works much more smoothly because the player isn't being so harshly punished for following the patterns that your created.
01:11:350 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - % I can't really change this one because of the patterns around it, but I honestly believe it's not that hard to sightread. I understand it's surprising, but I think it's fine.
01:45:359 (11,12) - ctrl G ah good catch
02:46:393 (5) - I think this should be stacked on 02:46:134 (4) - . At the moment, due to the overuse of overlapping this part is extremely difficult to read (the player is prepared for overlaps in places where overlaps just haven't been placed). huh I really don't understand why you want a stack, in terms of gameplay this would break the movement completely D:
02:46:910 (8,9,10) - % fixed the same way
03:09:410 (1,2,3) - Very ambiguous to the player. Possibly put a NC on 03:09:669 (1) - .
03:11:479 (1,2,3) - ^ Same issue.
03:13:548 (4,5,6) - ^
03:58:160 (1,2) - ^
03:58:160 (1,2) - More strange spacing.
For this entire section, I'm keeping what I have because it's purposely difficult to read (not even honestly, it just makes sure the playuer is reading and not throwing their cursor around hoping to hit). The idea behind this is rather complex but in short, the contrast between the slow 1/1 and big 1/2 jumps with the same objects provides great emphasis on the stringed instrument.
04:18:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Personally can't read the pattern, can't confirm if it's just me or not. I've seen numerous people able to read it perfectly (me included), but I can see how it can be hard to read. If more point it out, I'll try to find a new one.
04:40:057 (7,8) - Awkward stacking.
04:41:091 (7,8) - ^
04:42:126 (7,8) - ^
04:43:160 (7,8) - ^
All of them follow the structure.

Generally the map feels kinda messy in a lot of places imo. I didn't list some things because I personally think they're just a challenge rather than "awkward" or obnoxiously hard to read. Generally I struggle a lot on this map (A rank is hard) so take my feedback with a pinch of salt.

Fast wrote:

dude

Okoratu wrote:

so what is Compressed Fury of a Raging Japanese God like

1. Yea intro sliders. I would lower the SV even a bit more. 0.40x or 0.35x. 00:23:701 (8) - This feels really natural. If you can get speeds like that.
2. 00:03:657 (4) - 00:04:821 (6) - 00:06:049 (8) - I would NC all of them just because long sliders + same combo (and thus same combo color) just looks kinda bad imo. Plus separating each iteration is also rhythmic. (You can do every two if you prefer, but reduced combo would look better).
3. 00:21:953 (3) - ^NC here would be nice too. and 00:23:701 (8) - . NC spam is fine with slow instrumental sections imo.
4. 00:41:673 - I think you could map this since you've been following the drums very closely up until now (and with the triplets that follow).
5. 00:47:298 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - This doesn't really sound like 1/4 streams to me xP. I would use some sort of 1/4 or 1/8 repeat slider here instead since the sound is more held than a bunch of taps/clicks.
6. 00:50:272 (4,6,8) - The overlaps aren't perfect. I think you might have accidentally moved a slider a bit cuz the pattern is a bit off compared to your usual overlaps
   
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7. 00:57:384 (7,8,9) - It's a sharp triplet + turn that doesn't really emphasize much in the music. I would just improve the flow here, make it less sharp since its creating emphasis that isn't in the music.
8. 01:03:850 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - Complete the parallel pattern?
   Having the stream match the endings of the sliders would look really cool here. Kinda hard to explain so here:

   
9. 01:12:126 (1,2,3,4) - 3,4 are more prominent drums imo. I would give them more spacing than 1>2
10. 01:33:591 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This overlap pattern doesn't seem too succcessful imo mainly because 01:34:497 (5) - the slider-end is a very different sound profile compared to the other sliders 01:33:850 (2,8) -.
11. 01:38:764 (1,2,3) - The negative space in between the sliders isn't even. If you care to fix: 01:39:022 (2) - Ctrl+G, then Rotate by -4 degrees from selection center, then Ctrl+G.
12. 01:43:936 (3,6,9) - This is kinda hard to read because the whole tail-half of the sliders are overlapped including the slider-edge which makes it extra hard to read. I'm cool with the overlap but can you move them up a bit so the edge is visible so theres better visual cue?
    
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13. 02:21:953 (9) - I really wish you'd NC this, it would fit really well to halve the combo here to fit the change in the pattern.
14. 02:39:022 (3) - This kickslider was kinda random lol. I mean, it works, but you use so few kick sliders that i feel just a circle here would have been good enough. If you want to map the blue tick do a triplet maybe. Otherwise i could say like 02:42:384 (5) - Why not do a kickslider here too for the same sound.
15. 02:42:384 (5) - Gap felt kinda awkward for me. How about just mapping it since you dont have 1/1 gaps elsewhere in this section. One-time occurences like this just feel out of place rather than "different" xP.
16. 02:48:074 (2,3,4) - You could space these out quite a bit more tbh. Considering the difficulty of the song, 1/4 slider-jumps would fit better than using low DS.
17. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - I wish this stream were a bit more interesting xP. An (imperfect) circular stream just felt a bit lame to me sry lol. The instruments go up and down in scale here, having a stream shape that captures that change would be nice.
18. 04:03:721 (9) - I would remove the slider and add a circle instead. Maintaining momentum here would be really nice. But when you put a 1/2 repeat players will just click and hold at/near the slider-head. If you add a circle then it gives continuous motion to the players. You have back/forth screen jumps shortly after this pattern so the continued movement would help.
19. 04:19:367 (5,9) - NC'ing them would definitely help with readability since players can visually identify the pattern change through color.
20. 04:53:981 (6) - NC would be cool.

monstrata wrote:

[UFoaRJG]

1. Yea intro sliders. I would lower the SV even a bit more. 0.40x or 0.35x. 00:23:701 (8) - This feels really natural. If you can get speeds like that. They're already at 0.5 =(
2. 00:03:657 (4) - 00:04:821 (6) - 00:06:049 (8) - I would NC all of them just because long sliders + same combo (and thus same combo color) just looks kinda bad imo. Plus separating each iteration is also rhythmic. (You can do every two if you prefer, but reduced combo would look better).
3. 00:21:953 (3) - ^NC here would be nice too. and 00:23:701 (8) - . NC spam is fine with slow instrumental sections imo.
4. 00:41:673 - I think you could map this since you've been following the drums very closely up until now (and with the triplets that follow). Oh I never noticed this, thanks
5. 00:47:298 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - This doesn't really sound like 1/4 streams to me xP. I would use some sort of 1/4 or 1/8 repeat slider here instead since the sound is more held than a bunch of taps/clicks. The sound is held, but the 1/4 provides an awesome and brutal transition from the slow part into the more lively part of the song.
6. 00:50:272 (4,6,8) - The overlaps aren't perfect. I think you might have accidentally moved a slider a bit cuz the pattern is a bit off compared to your usual overlaps They are the same slider rotated
7. 00:57:384 (7,8,9) - It's a sharp triplet + turn that doesn't really emphasize much in the music. I would just improve the flow here, make it less sharp since its creating emphasis that isn't in the music. it actually plays very smoothly but ok
8. 01:03:850 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - Complete the parallel pattern? wasn't easy but done
9. 01:12:126 (1,2,3,4) - 3,4 are more prominent drums imo. I would give them more spacing than 1>2 good point, changed
10. 01:33:591 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This overlap pattern doesn't seem too succcessful imo mainly because 01:34:497 (5) - the slider-end is a very different sound profile compared to the other sliders 01:33:850 (2,8) -. changed
11. 01:38:764 (1,2,3) - The negative space in between the sliders isn't even. If you care to fix: 01:39:022 (2) - Ctrl+G, then Rotate by -4 degrees from selection center, then Ctrl+G. yes it is =(
12. 01:43:936 (3,6,9) - This is kinda hard to read because the whole tail-half of the sliders are overlapped including the slider-edge which makes it extra hard to read. I'm cool with the overlap but can you move them up a bit so the edge is visible so theres better visual cue? I will disagree with this one. None of the testplayers had any problems reading this.
13. 02:21:953 (9) - I really wish you'd NC this, it would fit really well to halve the combo here to fit the change in the pattern.
14. 02:39:022 (3) - This kickslider was kinda random lol. I mean, it works, but you use so few kick sliders that i feel just a circle here would have been good enough. If you want to map the blue tick do a triplet maybe. Otherwise i could say like 02:42:384 (5) - Why not do a kickslider here too for the same sound. that's not a kickslider, also the first one has a 1/4 slider because of the flute (the second one has no flute)
15. 02:42:384 (5) - Gap felt kinda awkward for me. How about just mapping it since you dont have 1/1 gaps elsewhere in this section. One-time occurences like this just feel out of place rather than "different" xP. what gap o_O
16. 02:48:074 (2,3,4) - You could space these out quite a bit more tbh. Considering the difficulty of the song, 1/4 slider-jumps would fit better than using low DS. I want to make the flute stand out here, so the low spacing contrasts with the rest
17. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - I wish this stream were a bit more interesting xP. An (imperfect) circular stream just felt a bit lame to me sry lol. The instruments go up and down in scale here, having a stream shape that captures that change would be nice. That's what I had at first and people complained, now they get the boring easy stream.
18. 04:03:721 (9) - I would remove the slider and add a circle instead. Maintaining momentum here would be really nice. But when you put a 1/2 repeat players will just click and hold at/near the slider-head. If you add a circle then it gives continuous motion to the players. You have back/forth screen jumps shortly after this pattern so the continued movement would help. k
19. 04:19:367 (5,9) - NC'ing them would definitely help with readability since players can visually identify the pattern change through color.
20. 04:53:981 (6) - NC would be cool.

I don't really like how you did the NC xP. You can spam NC more often to make your patterns easier to identify. You'll see that one of the many changes that came with modern, 2015 mapping is that mappers tend to spam NC. You see Insanes and Extra's that are ranked where total combo count might rarely even exceed 6 or 7 in Kiai because of NC spam every half-measure even. I don't think this NC spam concept is a 2015 style though, i feel like its more of an adaption from previous mapping styles being difficult to read as mappers began to use more overlaps and harder-to-read patterns. Not all things that were changed between say 2012 to 2015 constitute as part of a new style.

Note that I didn't ignore the NC mods, but I redid the comboing entirely.

1. 00:01:782 (3,2) - I think if you made the tail-end of slider 3 a bit better, the next silder which you blanket wouldn't look so awkward.
2. 00:23:701 (6) - NC here would look really cool tbh. I don't know if i mentioned it previously, but i'll mention it again.
3. 00:40:832 (1,2) - Kinda odd you skip the drums here considering you map them elsewhere in the intro.
4. 01:03:850 (9) - How about an NC here
5. 01:10:445 (1,2) - I'd NC on 2 isntead.
6. 01:14:453 (1,3) - Is there a reason the NC is on 1 instead of 3 (downbeat?)
7. 02:12:126 (3,4,5) - Tbh i'm not really liking the rhythm here. It just felt really awkward clicking on 02:12:384 - for me xP But i could hear a beat on the red tick right before it.
   
   Try a variation of this instead? Circle 4 can be a 1/2 slider too if that works better.

   
8. 02:13:419 (5,6) - Idk. People seem to enjoy progressively increasing jumps, and this jump sequence is right before a Kiai so how about making this jump bigger rather than smaller? xD 02:13:548 (6) - Try 378||13 it would fit your pattern pretty well.
9. 02:27:643 (6,6,6) - Did you try experimenting with slightly increasing the SV with each slider? Would look pretty cool here.
10. 03:19:884 (7) - NC here? Splitting this combo in half is better imo. Its much larger than the combo's that follow 03:21:953 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc... which contain the same rhythms
11. 03:27:126 (1) - Is it possible to make this slider fit the curve of the stream a bit more? Mainly just visual stuff.
12. 03:32:945 (4) - I would NC here. People who aren't amazing at reading would appreciate it, and I don't think it'd hurt anyone.
13. 04:55:588 (5) - NC here would be nice. Tbh i would double the entire NC pattern for that whole section on 04:48:565 (1). Seeing these single combo's that run for 2-3+ measures with a tonne of 1/4 rhythm still kinda irks me lol.

monstrata wrote:

Recheck!

1. 00:01:782 (3,2) - I think if you made the tail-end of slider 3 a bit better, the next silder which you blanket wouldn't look so awkward. fixed
2. 00:23:701 (6) - NC here would look really cool tbh. I don't know if i mentioned it previously, but i'll mention it again. huh, okay, I see where this comes from I think
3. 00:40:832 (1,2) - Kinda odd you skip the drums here considering you map them elsewhere in the intro. oh, good catch, thanks
4. 01:03:850 (9) - How about an NC here No, the stream here is part of the previous pattern, it closes it and makes way for the next section of the map
5. 01:10:445 (1,2) - I'd NC on 2 isntead. (1,2) are linked together since they're mapped on the same word (boku)
6. 01:14:453 (1,3) - Is there a reason the NC is on 1 instead of 3 (downbeat?) yes, like above (on "mazu")
7. 02:12:126 (3,4,5) - Tbh i'm not really liking the rhythm here. It just felt really awkward clicking on 02:12:384 - for me xP But i could hear a beat on the red tick right before it. Added a circle to it, hopefully that's better ?
8. 02:13:419 (5,6) - Idk. People seem to enjoy progressively increasing jumps, and this jump sequence is right before a Kiai so how about making this jump bigger rather than smaller? xD 02:13:548 (6) - Try 378||13 it would fit your pattern pretty well. I never realized this jump was smaller, fixed
9. 02:27:643 (6,6,6) - Did you try experimenting with slightly increasing the SV with each slider? Would look pretty cool here. Yup, I have, and I don't think it's better than what I have here, if you look at the position of every slider, they're stacked under the repeat of the previous one, but adding higher velocities would ruin that
10. 03:19:884 (7) - NC here? Splitting this combo in half is better imo. Its much larger than the combo's that follow 03:21:953 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc... which contain the same rhythms okay
11. 03:27:126 (1) - Is it possible to make this slider fit the curve of the stream a bit more? Mainly just visual stuff. for consistency with the combo that follows, I made it a straight slider, it fits better
12. 03:32:945 (4) - I would NC here. People who aren't amazing at reading would appreciate it, and I don't think it'd hurt anyone. Changed the comboing in this part.
13. 04:55:588 (5) - NC here would be nice. Tbh i would double the entire NC pattern for that whole section on 04:48:565 (1). Seeing these single combo's that run for 2-3+ measures with a tonne of 1/4 rhythm still kinda irks me lol. Changed too.

Anyways call me back!

Yauxo wrote:

Not a mod, but Ive noticed following in the beginning

■ 00:04:821 (1,2) - Pretty sure 00:04:821 (1) - 's sound ends on the White Tick (in the middle of the Slider) and 00:05:014 (2) - starts on the Blue Tick where the current 1 ends. (To check, use 25% and stop the music. Start from the Blue Tick and then from the White Tick and listen to a significant beatchange. There's none) shit you're right, thanks, I fixed that
■ 00:15:618 (5) - What is that there for? There's nothing to be played It mimicks this 00:10:575 (3,4) - (except with a circle), I added that because I found it was really cool to play and added a much welcome repetition. I found it contributes positively to the map, so I want to keep it.
■ 00:21:953 (1) - is offbeat. You went all-out for the following Slider by adding redlines to ensure that they're correctly timed - Why not for this one too? The sound starts somewhere just before the blue tick I didn't do the timing. That said, you're right about the slider, I changed it.
■ 03:17:686 (12,1) - This transition is also kinda counterintuitive since you have to speedily speed speed change from going "fast upwards" (kickslider) to "fast downwards" (to get to the Stream) and then also hit the 232bpm Stream (which is going upwards again). Lots of throwing the cursor around that couldve been avoided (with the Stream starting on 222/102 for example) That is something I did on purpose, because the flute goes from fast different notes (the spaced part) to some sort of trill (the compressed stream) and I wanted to emphasize that transition

Also, dont you think that all of this isnt somewhat overmapped? 02:31:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -, 03:56:997 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -, 04:08:505 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ...eh? Generally, most of the jumps are all the same/feel the same, but with extending patterns here and there. Even the actual patterns repeat one after another. :v it's not, listen to the big drum =(

Shiro wrote:

Did you wait for this to be bubbled to post your mod ? ;A; thanks though

Azer wrote:

I agree, I'm biased towards modern era mapping and I do dislike older style mapping but the way I see it, modern mapping exists today because it fixed flaws older styles had (one of the biggest ones is lack on emphasis on individual notes because of distance snapping), it's moving forward and as a modern era player/mapper I'm really on the other side of the coin, I think older maps are boring (I'm speaking very generally here, there's been tons of amazing maps that are still very fun to play) and modern maps focus on distance changes ("spacing is optional") because they emphasize individual notes in the song, which makes you feel like you are playing the song and not playing a map of the song, if that makes sense. In the end it's just my opinion and I understand why you disagree with me.

Raiden wrote:

Good luck shiro

Shiro*

Ukod wrote:

I quickly checked the timing of this map

00:10:058 (1) - Move one blue tick to the left hmm you're right, done

00:10:510 (2) - Remove this fuck no, it goes with the flute. I'll just flat out ignore the "remove this" comments.

00:37:213 (4,5,6,7,1) - Should be timed like this for all these: the big stringed instrument is always around 9/16 late. Trying to time to it would be delusional. I'll ignore further comments for it.

00:43:161 (13,14,15,16,17) - Time like this I could, but considering the pattern, it would be properly unreadable. I'll keep the 5-note stream, which is more intuitive and strangely more fitting here.

00:44:971 (1) - I just assumed you wanted to time the drums, in which case the timing is in 1/8 and 1/12

SPOILER

00:47:298 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Completely overmapped or is it ? it goes with the trill the flute goes for.

00:54:798 (1,2,3) - Time it like this That's unplayable.

01:01:652 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Completely overmapped Listen to the guitar.

01:24:540 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Overmapped I'll just ignore these as well.

01:59:971 (4,5,6,7,1) - I found this timing it is both wrong and unfitting

02:49:433 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - I think single slider fit vibrations like those better than streams I don't. The stream complements the slider well and represents the weird sound a lot better than a slider ever would.

03:06:113 (6,8,10) - Remove them and map the 1/2 as jumps Er, no. Did you miss the buildup with the patterns before ?

03:10:057 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - is 1/3 in the song

03:12:126 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - ^

03:14:195 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - ^

03:16:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^

03:17:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^

All changed, good catch

03:18:396 (10) - Remove this

03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - is 1/3 in the song what ? no



Since I'm not a mapper I don't know if any of that is unrankable, feel free to ignore

1. The combos in the beginning of the map are random, let me tell you why. Up to 00:06:049 - everything seems fine, but then comes the problem. 00:06:049 (1,2,3) - is a 1/4 pattern, a'ight? Although, the distance from (2,3) is similar to 00:10:510 (3,4) - and they do have the same combo as well. Thing is, there's no way of detecting any of these patterns with such a low spacing when the 1/2, 1/4 or even the 1/6 (on 00:07:536 (3,4) - ) have the same combo. How can anyone know that 00:12:644 (4,1,2,3,4) - is not 1/4?
2. 00:49:884 (7,8) - Quite a big and unnecessary jump, in my opinion. What about moving (7) somewhere close to 00:49:109 (2) - ?
3. 01:07:988 (8) - I wouldn't have mapped this considering there's an extended sound from 01:07:729 (7) - , there's literally nothing to make clickable on (8), so maybe extending or adding a repeater to (7) wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
4. 01:11:479 (6,8) - Have you thought on curving these a bit? Sometimes curved sliders give players an intuitive moment in which they can imagine where the following object is going to be, especially when you are not placing that object below the previous slider, as said, you are placing 01:11:350 (5,7) - from above (6,8)'s head.
5. 01:12:514 (4,5) - You're spacing this pattern gradually but suddenly woop, distance gets decreased. Intentional? Also, you want to take a look at 01:37:341 (10,11) - since (5) and (11) have a similar connotation rhythm-wise, and whilst one is being very emphasised, the other is being overshadowed.
6. 01:25:315 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I don't know what do you think about these, but from my point of view, all these angles are quite sharp.
7. 01:33:333 (12,1) - I thought you were stacking notes after pauses
8. 01:43:936 (3,4) - Oh, love these. Good flow over here, well done!
9. 01:55:703 (4,5,1) - Quite a bad transition, imho. What about http://puu.sh/lgoqx/ffd645aa87.jpg ?
10. Time to compare, yaaaay! 02:10:574 (1,2) - 1/1 spacing not stacked; 02:10:833 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing stacked; 02:11:867 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing not stacked. You are evil, Shiro
11. You know which is the difference between 02:25:057 (1,2) - and 02:25:445 (3,4) - when you play it? There's no difference, and regarding the high BPM this map has, maybe placing 02:25:703 (4) - on x208 y240 would play way more better.
12. 02:43:678 (7,1) - Maybe you can combine them into one object, I can't literally hear anything on (1)'s head at all.
13. Time to compare... again, wiiiiii! 03:09:022 (3,1) - there's a stack over here; but there's no stack on 03:11:091 (3,1) - 03:13:160 (3,1) - . How evil can you be?
14. 03:58:160 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - I had a lot of troubles when playing this part. There's no clear path between each object, you mapped them the same way when they play way too different. That's something to take note of. Y'know, when you place a stack on the same section that other stack, you gotta make them more or less feel the similar way, if you are inconsistent with all your patterns, playing them will hurt a lot and it will be unfun and counter-intuitive to the player.
15. 04:20:660 (3,4) - Want to hear the reason behind these not being stacked with 04:20:402 (1,2) - <3. Just myself being too picky, sorry sorry!
16. 04:20:919 (1) - You know what would be AMAZING? Finish it on 04:22:772 - (1/6) because there's a super loud beat over there! Maybe you could even add a hitsound if you feel confident enough.
17. 04:28:807 (6,7,8) - Awww, linear flow? Come on, give these objects something... a pattern, make a triangle, make something more funny.
18. 04:39:281 (3) - I'm so sorry for this... curve it, curve it, Shiro!
19. 04:55:129 (3) - Random whistle maybe? There's literally nothing on this circle, no need to hitsound it.
20. 04:56:342 (4,5) - I can't tell how off (4)'s tail and (5)'s head are, but... they are not timed correctly, to my ears! Maybe 20~ms off?

Yuii- wrote:

Hellaaaw~
You asked me to mod this... 4 months ago.
Here I am.

Map's clear. Not any general issues need to be address other than the typical "Toggle Widescreen Support and Letterbox off".
Okay, so we both know how much effort you put onto this and I am not the best modder to analyze this beatmap, but I will try it because why not. Before you start reading this modding, I want to tell you how I will mod this: based on every pattern, transition and angle, that may affect playability or reading very hard up to the point of being impossible to get an FC. Basically, before saying something, trying to understand what was your thinking while you were placing every single object, let's try it.

1. The combos in the beginning of the map are random, let me tell you why. Up to 00:06:049 - everything seems fine, but then comes the problem. 00:06:049 (1,2,3) - is a 1/4 pattern, a'ight? Although, the distance from (2,3) is similar to 00:10:510 (3,4) - and they do have the same combo as well. Thing is, there's no way of detecting any of these patterns with such a low spacing when the 1/2, 1/4 or even the 1/6 (on 00:07:536 (3,4) - ) have the same combo. How can anyone know that 00:12:644 (4,1,2,3,4) - is not 1/4? Huh, blame Loctav for this. Basically, the comboing is not based on musical phrases as I usually do, but based on groups of notes, separated by silences. That's not actually proper comboing, but in this case, it's the best I could do without having longass combos.
2. 00:49:884 (7,8) - Quite a big and unnecessary jump, in my opinion. What about moving (7) somewhere close to 00:49:109 (2) - ? Nope, the jumps emphasizes the switch from guitar to the weird big stringed instrument. This is extremely important for 00:50:272 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - to be more intuitive, as it follows the same instrument.
3. 01:07:988 (8) - I wouldn't have mapped this considering there's an extended sound from 01:07:729 (7) - , there's literally nothing to make clickable on (8), so maybe extending or adding a repeater to (7) wouldn't be a bad idea at all. There's a drum hit, which are all important. Also, for the sake of the consistency in rhythms, I need this white tick clicked.
4. 01:11:479 (6,8) - Have you thought on curving these a bit? Sometimes curved sliders give players an intuitive moment in which they can imagine where the following object is going to be, especially when you are not placing that object below the previous slider, as said, you are placing 01:11:350 (5,7) - from above (6,8)'s head. I wanted to curve them and forgot, thanks
5. 01:12:514 (4,5) - You're spacing this pattern gradually but suddenly woop, distance gets decreased. Intentional? Also, you want to take a look at 01:37:341 (10,11) - since (5) and (11) have a similar connotation rhythm-wise, and whilst one is being very emphasised, the other is being overshadowed. Both are intentional. In the first pattern 01:12:255 (2,3,4,5) - the kick sample on 01:12:643 (5) - makes it barely audible in the song, which makes it a good break point, and that's why the distance is decreased: it doesn't emphasize 01:12:643 (5) - at all and allows for the break with the stack. On the other hand, 01:37:212 (9,10,11) - is introduced by a vocal line that goes higher in pitch, so 01:37:212 (9,10,11) - is more emphasized than the other pattern and that's why I used jumps for one and not the other.
6. 01:25:315 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I don't know what do you think about these, but from my point of view, all these angles are quite sharp. Map is built around sharp angles and back and forth patterns.
7. 01:33:333 (12,1) - I thought you were stacking notes after pauses hmm good points ill change this a bit
8. 01:43:936 (3,4) - Oh, love these. Good flow over here, well done! of course it's good flow, it's a Shiro map 8)
9. 01:55:703 (4,5,1) - Quite a bad transition, imho. What about http://puu.sh/lgoqx/ffd645aa87.jpg ? The flow reset on 01:56:091 (1) - is intended to isolate the new sentence in the vocals and reset the flow at that point. It also introduces the angle 01:56:091 (1,2,3,4) - use to make 01:57:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - more intuitive.
10. Time to compare, yaaaay! 02:10:574 (1,2) - 1/1 spacing not stacked; 02:10:833 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing stacked; 02:11:867 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing not stacked. You are evil, Shiro :D
11. You know which is the difference between 02:25:057 (1,2) - and 02:25:445 (3,4) - when you play it? There's no difference, and regarding the high BPM this map has, maybe placing 02:25:703 (4) - on x208 y240 would play way more better. changed, but not your way
12. 02:43:678 (7,1) - Maybe you can combine them into one object, I can't literally hear anything on (1)'s head at all. ah, my rhythm was wrong
13. Time to compare... again, wiiiiii! 03:09:022 (3,1) - there's a stack over here; but there's no stack on 03:11:091 (3,1) - 03:13:160 (3,1) - . How evil can you be? That is actually a mistake on my end - it's fixed
14. 03:58:160 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - I had a lot of troubles when playing this part. There's no clear path between each object, you mapped them the same way when they play way too different. That's something to take note of. Y'know, when you place a stack on the same section that other stack, you gotta make them more or less feel the similar way, if you are inconsistent with all your patterns, playing them will hurt a lot and it will be unfun and counter-intuitive to the player. okay, changed this
15. 04:20:660 (3,4) - Want to hear the reason behind these not being stacked with 04:20:402 (1,2) - <3. Just myself being too picky, sorry sorry! huh, original pattern was way different and i forgot to change them
16. 04:20:919 (1) - You know what would be AMAZING? Finish it on 04:22:772 - (1/6) because there's a super loud beat over there! Maybe you could even add a hitsound if you feel confident enough. ok but no hitsound
17. 04:28:807 (6,7,8) - Awww, linear flow? Come on, give these objects something... a pattern, make a triangle, make something more funny. ok
18. 04:39:281 (3) - I'm so sorry for this... curve it, curve it, Shiro! ok
19. 04:55:129 (3) - Random whistle maybe? There's literally nothing on this circle, no need to hitsound it. oups, yes
20. 04:56:342 (4,5) - I can't tell how off (4)'s tail and (5)'s head are, but... they are not timed correctly, to my ears! Maybe 20~ms off? fixed

Thanks for the mod.
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Sorry for not explaining myself very good on some points, you may find some things quite hard to understand maybe on how I mod. I'm a bit nervous because I have my job interview in 1 hour and hell... soooo nervous. Good luck to both of us!
Peace, Shiro!

Kroytz wrote:

00:01:265 (1) - I wanna ask why this exists. Triple starting 00:01:394 - sounds more reasonable though I know it doesn't accomplish what you were trying to do, though, what you were trying to do also doesn't sound fitting so idk Well, the problem here is the flute player is completely off (like, he should have used a metronome lol) and timing his notes properly is near impossible, so I had to compromise and choose intuitive rhythms that the flute player was trying to go for. On top of that, the flute doesn't have a clear start, so it's very difficult to time this properly. I think what I did is the closest I can get to a compromise between fittingness and playability. A triple would sound a bit weird considering I hear held notes for the flute, hence the sliders!
00:10:510 (3) - I also wanna ask what inspired you to create this thing of all shapes. Perhaps we interpret the song different but this is some 2010 stuff as are the rest of the slider in this short 10 second intro I honestly have no idea. I was just messing around creating random sliders, and I eventually found this shape. My idea was that the circle part follows the crescendo and the pitch going higher, while the wave part follows the held note. Overall the slider looks weird but it isn't a problem... right ? ;w;
00:23:101 (5) - NC for read okay
00:36:566 (1) - This spacing is misleading due to how you played out that last sequence. I'd rather see it elsewhere but I doubt you'd want to remap parts for this. This is just a technical thing. For consistency with the rest of the intro, I turned this into a triple.
00:38:763 (4) - Same goes here. I'd rather leave the former downward structure you did with (2) and the former (3) and space this out more to give more emphasis in that 1/2 pause. okay
00:41:351 (6,1) - You could easily make a perfect square with these to the previous notes. done
00:44:971 (1) - Idk bout this spacing. Why didn't you space this further? As the song goes to a complete halt at this point, spacing is irrelevant. Anywhere I could place the object would be an anti-jump, and the player has more than enough time to dance around with the cursor if they want to. I placed this to conform to my idea of symmetry for the next patterns, so it's on the vertical axis, and the angle of the slider mimicks the angles before (like 00:44:066 (4) - ) to still link the patterns together.
00:49:497 (5) - the dominant beat is on the white tick. You could also add a note here 00:49:820 - as a triple. But the sliders starting on the red tick feel awkward just cuz you're not hitting the dominant beat but playing it out for some pattern thingy in the next section. I'm sure there's a better way to go about this. I'm following the weird big stringed instrument here, and what I hear is what's being clicked. It's a new instrument in the chord and it's the most interesting one to follow.
00:49:497 (5,8) - Y'see how 5 and 8 go upwards, why not continue that with 00:50:919 (4,6) - cuz otherwise it looks cluttered. ah, good catch, they originally did but after I modified the pattern, I forgot to re-place those objects
01:12:902 (1) - could anti-jump this I prefer the stack here, because the vocals, which I'm following, come to a complete halt. I don't think an anti-jump would work here because the whole song has a short break here, so I thought the map should too.
01:20:919 (1) - I thought this section was pretty neat but why not space 01:23:893 (1) - higher up like the other sliders you did Huh, this is the first slider of the section, and the other objects gradually move to the top right. I can't place them any further up in the corner.
01:33:591 (1) - This could also function well as anti-jump but I suppose it's a matter of style here. This goes for all the other little 1/2 pause thingies you did Well, my idea was to go for a total stop as I said, so I don't want to change those, not having stacks wouldn't fit with what I was trying to do.
02:02:169 (4,1,2) - spacing is quite high here to fit a pattern where the music doesn't feel so threatening. Her vocals go deep and slow I wanted this to link the two kiai together, so I chose high spacing but easy jumps to make this part feel different (with the easy jumps and lots of sliders) but without completely breaking the energetic atmosphere I created with the first kiai.
02:10:833 (2) - if this went the other way where it end where you had 02:10:186 (3) - I think it'd be better but the spacing gets closer and this pause doesn't feel quite right when the DS is this low. Doesn't make for a good buildup imo. changed
02:21:953 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - jesus, now I know why the SR is so high. This would be good if there was a much more proper buildup into this rather than throwing this so suddenly at the players. I'd suggest moving these sliders 02:19:884 (1,2,3,4) - around the playfield more so that those jumps may work a little better because the slider leniancy right now makes those sliders easy to hit and then you get fukd in the ass by airman whirlwinds. Good point. Changed.
02:27:643 (6) - could space elsewhere for more emphasis and have the other follow suit ah, this is a pattern that plays with the sliders and circles. The sliders are getting closer while the circles get further apart from one another. It forms a contradicting buildup that goes well with the contrast between the held vocal and the spamming drum.
03:09:410 (1) - maybe space this more to the corner as well I augmented the spacing, not quite to the corner though
03:25:057 (1) - yo, this stream could be much more original lol. It's fitting I suppose and that's enough of an argument to keep it but this could easily be more exciting originally was exciting, players complained T_T
03:46:781 (1) - this some rabbit shet lol idk what to say can I at least be credited for my own patterns ? T_T
04:00:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this could probably be more intense with airman shit ah this is a recurring pattern in the difficulty, it gives it a nice structure and the player will be very happy to see patterns they've played before I think
04:06:178 (5,6) - (5) could be center upward slider and NC on 6 for a different pattern cuz yknow, downbeats n stuff I'll have to deny that, the comboing follows the phrases in the vocals, and the slider positions are consistent with the first kiai (with the symmetry)
04:07:471 (6) - same here with the NC stuff I changed that one
04:15:488 (7) - I think anti-jumping these parts would be cool, like if they went more outward to the top left corner as a means to emphasize the distance from the note to the streams. idk i like it they already do !
04:20:402 (1,2,3,4) - y not continue pattern downwards? done, also increased distance from last jumps
04:20:919 (1) - could just use a long slider and then follow into all the rekt beats you murdered from 04:21:695 - I'm not a big fan of super long sliders, I'd rather keep the spinner here >.<
04:27:643 (1) - slider? This is an isolated note because to me the song really resumes at 04:27:902 (2) - so this one shouldn't be emphasized or moved
04:44:712 (1) - this part here could be more intense too rather than overlapping your previous notes changed
04:45:617 (4) - this should get the most emphasis imo it does! kinda
05:01:926 (1) - you could create a jump thing like http://puu.sh/lgKap/c6a1b270d9.jpg i think this fits better than killing the beats like you did with that spinner :/// done

Kroytz wrote:

hype hype hype

Shiro wrote:

Lucky for me, I am a timing expert, so I'll take a look at it.

GoldenWolf wrote:

Shiro wrote:

Lucky for me, I am a timing expert, so I'll take a look at it.

And you didn't hear the intro was completely off while mapping it? By something like 60ms at times? Come on now..

Dreamtwolf wrote:

00:15:618 (5) - This note is actually random, I really don't know what part of the music it matches so remove this note. I wanted to mimic 00:10:510 (3,4) - (replacing the slider with a circle) because it sounded really cool to me and ended the long slider in a much more interesting way. I don't think the note is too much of a problem, so I'll keep it for now.
00:37:730 (2,3) & 00:38:247 (1,2,3,4) - These notes are kind of unreadable since it's hard to snap with ar10 especially when the jumps change elevation each time. These are extremely easy to read.
01:12:126 (1,2,3,4) - change back to the triangles since these hourglass jumps come unexpected from where they're placed. Again, not a problem to read. The jumps are built like this: 01:12:126 (1,2) - medium spacing to keep the map going at a fairly fast pace, then 01:12:384 (3,4) - big jumps for those to emphasize the double snare hit, then 01:12:514 (4,5) - lower jump to avoid emphasizing 01:12:643 (5) - which isn't emphasized in the song, then a stack 01:12:643 (5,1) - because the song basically stops for a short moment at that point.
01:39:540 (4,5,6) - Hitsound for Note 5 does not blend in with 4 because of Note 6. replaced for a slider
02:31:652 (6) & 02:31:782 (1,2,3,4) & 02:32:298 (1,2,3,4) & 02:32:815 (1,2,3,4) - The old version of these jumps(1,2,3,4,5 into notes that went up and down) were actually easier than this version since the notes make the player read more and aim and snap more in this version making the old version better than this. I went over this part over 5 times with 0.25 speed and I did see the correlation between the old version. I'm aware, but testplayers said the jumps as they were before were a bit boring, so I did that to improve them!
02:39:152 (4) - this slider should be smaller and the slider end hitsound should be this note's (02:30:229 (1))
hitsound which is soft&finish I like the slider being smaller here but I don't understand what you mean with the hitsound
03:08:505 (1,2) - decrease the distance between these notes O_O :|
03:10:057 (4,5,6,7) - will look better if 03:10:402 (8,9) looked the same and connected I actually don't understand what you mean here. ?_?
03:32:945 (1,2,3) - shouldn't be a new combo only because 03:33:333 (1) starts and new combo fast and notes with the number 1 give more health than notes that have a number 2 or 3 etc... removed the new combo
04:09:022 (1) - No new combo here but instead, here 04:09:540 which had already been done and it matches the part of the music in which you are following since the notes that the actual drummer is playing gets a tad bit higher
04:10:057 (1) - No new combo but the drummer is still playing the note that is higher
04:33:850 (1) - No new combo but instead..... ok you get it it's the same as the part 04:09:022 (1) i mentioned
04:34:884 (1) - same deal here, no new combo but instead the notes should continue to be numbered instead of a new combo
For all three: I'm keeping the comboing on those patterns consistent, see
04:43:678 (1) to the spinner - Really I mean really, the rule ^^ should not apply here because it matches the singer and it's so good, really great job!(leave it as it is since it's really good) thank you

- Amazing Song Selection and Hitsound Selection. This map can truly become something astounding. Thank you, it makes me fairly happy to hear something like this about one of my maps

fieryrage wrote:

i should've modded this before it got qualified but i didn't know this was actually a fun map whoops
short mod though

00:15:553 - pretty sure I hear a note here which could make 00:15:618 (5) - a lot easier to sightread
00:35:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this sounds really off, like, 50 ms off, could just be me though
00:39:539 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
00:50:272 (1,2) - am I the only person that misread this first try like I seriously thought this would be a different back and forth pattern like 00:49:238 (3,4,5,6,7,8) -
This will be fixed with the new timing
02:27:514 - shouldn't there be a note here along with every other part like this? doesn't really make sense that you added notes on the later parts at 04:39:928 (6) - and not anywhere else
04:15:100 - ^
No, this is actually a growing pattern that structures the map. If you look at rhythms, you've got xxxxx x (x x) for the first occurence, then xxxxx x x, then xxxxx x x x, which means the pattern becomes denser as the map progresses and requires more clicks!

i legit actually love this map i'm surprised i didn't find this earlier Thank you!

jodmangel wrote:

Like someone said above, quite a few notes near the start sound mistimed if I'm not completely deaf. Here are some of the ones I noticed:

00:31:911 (4) -
00:34:885 (9,10,11) -
00:35:273 (1) -
00:35:661 (3,4,5,6) -
00:37:213 (4,5,6,7,1) - Aren't these four notes?
00:39:799 (2,3,4,5) -
00:43:161 (12,13,14,15,16) - Seems like four notes as well, though with different timing.
00:43:937 (3,5) -
00:44:971 (1) -

Edit: Forgot to say, those are all timed early I believe.

There's a few more that I'm unsure about. I'd really suggest someone that is actually good at timing to take a look at this.

All this will be fixed with the new timing. As I said in a post previous, I am a timing expert but I didn't bother looking at the timing I got from Faust's version. This is a mistake on my end, as I should have at least checked it. I considered the introduction to be easy enough not to require very accurate timing, as every testplayer got everything right on their first try.

Desperate-kun wrote:

I have to take this map down for questionable timing.
The intro part has messed up timing, most of the time it's early. I will point out some examples below:

00:31:264 (1,2,3,4,5) - the offset seems early on (2) and (4), not as extreme as the following ones though
00:32:558 (3,4,5,6) - early
00:34:497 (7) - early
00:34:885 (9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6) - very early
etc.. this happens in almost every measure until 00:47:815 - the intro is over. There might be timing issues later in the song as well.

Charles and myself are looking at the timing. We will issue a better one.

There are also wrongly snapped objects and other rhythm issues. Again there might be more than that:

00:31:264 - The part up until this point is pretty questionable. The rhythms are hard to read and feel pretty awkward to play. The slidershapes mostly look pretty odd and random. 00:19:885 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - These sliders feel to fast for the calm sounds. I'm not going to change any of the sliders nor remove the introduction, which is needed for the map to reach 5 minutes drain time. One could argue that the introduction (as well as the end) are t themselves fairly random, but I didn't map them with that in mind. The use of MANY sliders in the introduction allows for a big error margin for the approximative flute playing. Unlike what you said, the rhythms are neither hard to read nor awkward to play. None of the testplayers (before or after qualification) complained about such things, so I'm not going to change them.
00:32:428 (1,2,3,4,5) - vs 00:40:703 (1,2,3) - The first one feels odd because the intentional overmap for the flute and the much stronger drum triplet are combined in one stack. The second one feels odd because the drum triplet was ignored. Changed both to match the drums.
00:34:885 (9,10,11,12) - Should be 1/6 I'm not too sure about that. I'll wait for the new timing.
00:42:644 (11) - Why does this slider end on a blue tick? There was a note at 00:42:901 - but it seems I deleted it by accident x_x
00:47:298 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - A slider would fit much better here, the overmap doesn't fit well. To you. This goes with the trill in the flute and provides an amazing introduction to the first part of the map that is actually energic. I'm not changing this.

I am not a timing expert, but these issues are clearly hearable when listening on 50% and they are noticable in gameplay too. This map definitely needs to be checked by timing experts before it can go back to qualified. Good luck! As I said earlier, the timing is being looked at by Charles and myself. We'll get the new timing ready asap. Thanks for taking the time to look at this.

a loli wrote:

shouldn't the kiai times start at 02:14:710 and 04:02:296 instead? The sections just before these timestamps are weak sections of the song used to emphasise the upcoming chorus, and I believe you should only be using kiai time on only one section (the strong section), not both. That's... where they're already starting ?_?

I also think the preview point should be 02:14:193, but that doesn't bother me. I didn't recognise the song because you had it previewed at such a weird part, though. Changed it, thanks.


also a lot of subjective modding coming:

00:07:533 (3) - I see that you ended the slider on another flute beat, but the spacing to the next slider is awkward since the spacing is 1/2. Personally I'd make the slider repeat to remove that awkward pause, as well as making the spacing similar I like the idea of making the slider repeat (once). Changed.

00:09:983 (1) - any reason why you chose not to sustain the flute to 1/4 like the others? The timing section, mostly, which make this unplayable if it had another circle

00:10:508 (3) - slider end should be 1/4 shorter huh no? why would it o_o

00:13:814 (2) - remove this, completely unnecessary Wouldn't be if I could get that damn sliderend snapped

00:15:624 (5) - ^ Not going to debate on this for the 32738124961726487961946981th time. It's staying.

00:22:534 (3) - either move this closer to the slider, or move the upcoming sliders a bit further. This 1/4 spacing is way too similar to the 1/2 spacing of the upcoming sliders. Changed spacings

00:31:542 (2) - would play a lot better and flow better if it were stacked onto the next slider imo would also emphasize the wrong sound, which is a big no-go

00:31:930 (4) - ^ ^

00:42:894 (12) - way too much spacing for a 1/4 This is a lot easier to play than it looks, and achieves perfectly the go-and-stop motion I want for those two and 00:43:146 (13) - .

00:51:415 (1,2,3,4) - why is this spaced much more than 00:55:563 (1,2,3,4) Spaced them equally

01:03:839 (9) - NC? Nothing actually warrants a new combo here

01:06:046 (9) - NC should start here Didn't do exactly this but I reworked the pattern to be more accurate to the vocals.

01:06:434 (1) - change this to 1/2 slider, random 1/1s are very awkward to play if you do it in the middle of a section The spacing allows this to be readable, and I want my stop on that short "yo" note.

01:18:330 (4) - you could do something with this, maybe a 1/8 or 1/6 repeat slider huh no that would play like shit

01:18:460 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - this stream doesn't really fit the music, I'd do kick sliders instead to emphasise the heavy beats It fits the map and provides awesome build up to the next section

01:24:538 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - this plays to nothing, and you missed a very good opportunity to put some nice jumps to emphasise the beats! can you not hear the big stringed instrument?

01:28:482 (3) - remove this, plays to nothing It emphasizes the snare hit and introduces a short break in the movement that helps the square after it to be more sudden, as are the drums in that section

01:42:124 (1,2,3,4,5) - I assume you were following the vocals on the previous part before, so why the sudden change? Because the drums are the main hits at this point, and the vocals are fairly uninteresting, while the durms provide, again, very good build up for the next section.

01:44:193 (4) - as said before, the 1/4 spacing is very similar to the upcoming 1/2 spacing That's made on purpose, it emphasizes the beginning of each repeat of this pattern

01:44:710 (7,10) - ^, you could also add NC to these repeating patterns nope, see reasoning above

01:59:969 (4,5,6,7,1) - why is this a stream? If you're going to add a stream on sustained notes, then the stream should be connected to the slider before it oh, very good catch, thank you, I reworked this part

02:00:357 (2) - ctrl + g for better flow, back and forth patterns with sliders are terrible to play and plus this is the only section where you did it like this for some reason

02:00:745 (4) - ^

02:01:132 (6) - ^

02:01:520 (8) - ^ and also understates the huge spacing spike from 02:01:779 (1) onward
All 4 above: hell no. The whole point of the pattern is this sharp contrast between the jump and the slider

02:04:236 (4) - the vocal actually starts on the blue tick Which is unintuitive and unplayable as fuck, that's why I made it start on the red tick

02:05:270 (4) - ^ ^

02:07:985 (2) - if you're emphasising vocals, the NC should start here instead No. The slider I NC'd starts a new word and a repeated rhythm in the song

02:09:408 (4) - the vocal actually starts on the blue tick see above

02:11:219 (4,5) - these beats should be moved on the blue tick to the right. Also take this chance to do something creative with it see above

02:12:253 (4,5,6) - this sounds really weird? could be same as ^ see above

02:27:512 - add 1/2 circle there is a beat there

02:28:546 - ^

02:29:581 - ^

02:30:615 - ^
To all 4 above: read my answer to a previous mod regarding the structure of the map

02:53:632 (5) - remove this, it looks like you're strictly following vocals so this is completely unnecessary It would introduce a much unwanted hole in the rhythm

03:06:046 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - like 01:18:460 (5,6,7,8,9,10) if you're going to put streams on sustained beats, then start the stream on the sustained beat. this goes with the drums

03:09:408 (1,2,3) - very very very very very hard to read patterns like this, please change it or add some sort of indication emphasising the 1/1 going to 1/2.

03:11:477 (1,2,3) - ^

03:13:546 (1,2,3) - ^

03:32:684 (2,3,4,5) - ^
No. The whole point of this part is that it's somewhat hard to read. Hell, I have yet to see someone fail to read this on first try.

04:14:710 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - what I said about the previous kiai, you're missing some 1/2 beats between some of the quin streams read answer above

04:20:917 (1) - looks like you wanted to avoid mapping the rest of that section tbh. Shorten this spinner so that you can map the beats that come after it, or better yet just use a slider for 04:20:788 (4) and map 04:21:693 Yeah I wanted to avoid the awkward stream -> stream transition but ok.

04:26:219 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - streams sound very offputting if you silent-hitsound every second note. Please don't I do not have any silent hitsounds.

04:26:606 (7) - I think this should be a slider to emphasise the sustaining vocal, because the instrument is still playing. 04:27:124 (8) is very appropriate though yay more gimmick

04:27:641 (1) - I think you should map the two 1/2s that come before it, to give emphasis to the upcoming kiai I want a hard reset with 04:27:641 (1) - . That was the idea behind the circles, but I guess sliders work too.

04:27:641 (1) - this would sound better with a 1/2 slider instead, or at least another 1/2 note coming after it ^

04:39:926 (6,6,6,6) - wtf now you start mapping that 1/2 lol readtheansweraboveaboutstructureffs

04:46:522 (1) - I'd map the vocals as sliders, spinners should only be used for very long sustained notes okay

freebird42 wrote:

Dont give kudosu if you rejected more than half of mod

00:44:984 (1) - i'm not sure, but this sounds a litle bit off time, maybe i'm deaf though It technically is, but at this point the drums are way too unstable to even be timed perfectly. This is the best compromise!
00:47:316 (3) - maybe clap is better instead of finish? also maube folowing note NC? oooooh I like the clap here thanks! Also, no new combo on blue ticks ever unless you're mapping a superlowBPM song (like Firesong)
00:49:734 (6,7) - sounds a bit too late, maybe its 1/12 left on the time scale? not sure though, also how about adding finish to 7 to emphasize this note? They are too late but again, it's not possible to perfectly time this section. What I did is a compromise between "perfect" timing and playability. Also, (6) has the finish.
if you agreed with hitsounding of previous notes then maybe its better to move finish from end of 00:50:649 (3) - to the folowing note, if you disagreed - ignore this I did move the finish
00:51:798 (4) - maybe remove finish hitsound and put it on the beginning of folowing slider? you can also add finish to 00:51:670 (3) - but its optionally hmm okay, that makes sense
00:51:926 (1,2,3) - is this spacing okey? actually nwm, you use spacing like this a lot, so guess its ok yeah it's fine, it emphasizes 00:52:317 (3) - without emphasizing 00:52:186 (2) -
00:53:882 (3) - better put finish on the previous note no I'm following the finishes in the song and this one's here
00:56:856 (1) - how about moving finish from end to beginning and also adding finish to the beginning of the folowing slider, i think it goes well enough with the flute moved finish but didn't add another one because there's simply no cymbals at that point
00:57:761 (6) - maybe this slider ends 1/12 left on time scale? no that would be unplayable
00:58:408 (4) - add finish no cymbals
00:58:925 (3) - maybe finish in the beginning? reworked this part
00:58:537 (1,2,3) - maybe 1- finish in the end, 2 - finish, 3 - finish in the beginning and in the end? no cymbals
01:00:994 (4) - maybe add finish to this note and to the beginning of folowing slider ^
01:03:839 (9) - new combo? sorry, i didnt read previous post
02:14:193 (1) - maybe + clap? That doesn't fit at all, there's no snare here
02:39:020 (3,4) - meybe + finish at the beginning to emphasize flute? already emphasized with whistles
02:43:676 (1) - add finish to the beginning no cymbals
02:44:451 (1,2) - flute sound here, so maybe add finish to the beginning of sliders? flute is emphasized via whistles, finishes only go with cymbal crashes in the song
02:45:593 (1,2) - maybe these notes also needs to be moved left 1/12, also how about adding finish to 2? that would be unplayable D:
02:46:908 (3) - add finish to the end
02:47:555 (3) - add finish
02:49:107 (2) - finish to the beginning
all three: again, no cymbals
03:49:494 (10) - new combo? huh that doesn't really make sense, the stream finishes the previous patterns
04:01:779 (1) - maybe add clap? again, there's a reason why this has no hitsounds =P
04:18:848 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe change all these jumps to ora ora ora star form pattern, so it would be more fun to aim? no, the whole idea of these patterns is to be increasing back and forths
04:23:891 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - same = =
04:56:334 (4) - i personally think that this slider is reversal and folowing is not, but i can be wrong ??? o.O

also aimod thinks this 04:20:917 (1) - spinner is too short, but guess its fine, no one will SS this map anyway I'll have to see with BNs/QATs for this, auto does get 1000 bonus for me o.O

i cant say anything about flow, i never played 7* maps (relax doesnt count), when i tryed to aim this i got nearly ~150 misses, but still think that note placement is good

i tried to change some hitsounds in order to make map more energetic and shared my thoughts above, but you can ignore all of this if you want, because your map sounds well enough

also i agree with previous post about kiais

if noone of my sugestions is helpful im sorry for wasting your time

thanks third time for helping with timing

Faust wrote:

Filesize is too big. What an absolute kill-joy.

tyom wrote:

SPOILER

02:21:046 IMO I think the use of squares would be much better here, but make them go square-diamond-square-diamond pattern
02:31:262 Squares could be used here again
Some of your combos go past 10, try aiming for 6-9 on combo.
03:29:193 Again with the back-forth jumps, where i'd see a great use of squares. The squares would work here especially because 03:31:262 - 03:33:331 uses squares, would make that entire section consistent.
These same square and pattern related things occur later in the song but I think you get the idea from what i've currently addressed.

I really like squares and polygons and sliders, I like the polygon and star jumps but the backwards and forwards jumps make the map at some parts look ugly, just at those parts though. The rest of the map is great. This is just my opinion.

Pokoulie wrote:

amazing map.

monstrata wrote:

Fixed up some snapping issues. Lets get this rebubbled!

Natsu wrote:

Lets try again!

Aiceo wrote:

I'm sorry to be rude but, what the actual fuck is this?

Raiden wrote:

Aiceo wrote:

I'm sorry to be rude but, what the actual fuck is this?

a map

no problem mate, anytime

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