jesus1412 wrote:

00:42:902 (14,15) - Feels a little bit confusing, seems like a 1/2 jump. Possibly mess around with newcombos to fix? Fixed, but in a more gimmicky way =P
00:50:531 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - This pattern in itself is fine. The issue with your overlapping sliders is more so related to here: 00:51:436 (10,11,12) - , What happens is the player gets into a rhythm of following the note slider pattern repeatedly and musically it's hard to recognize a reason for that pattern to change. What you end up getting is a player doing this jump 00:51:307 (9,10) - and expecting a centre-left movement, they in fact are slapped with the complete opposite. You could fix this by moving 00:51:565 (2) - to the right although I think that would ruin what you're aiming for. A secondary option might be to move 00:51:436 (1) - so that it isn't overlapping with the sliders and/or add a newcombo to inform the player that the pattern is changing. I'm going to refer to other places with similar issues with a "%". did my best to fix this but I don't know if my fix works
00:59:195 (8,9,10) - Just to add to the previous feedback, this pattern works much more smoothly because the player isn't being so harshly punished for following the patterns that your created.
01:11:350 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - % I can't really change this one because of the patterns around it, but I honestly believe it's not that hard to sightread. I understand it's surprising, but I think it's fine.
01:45:359 (11,12) - ctrl G ah good catch
02:46:393 (5) - I think this should be stacked on 02:46:134 (4) - . At the moment, due to the overuse of overlapping this part is extremely difficult to read (the player is prepared for overlaps in places where overlaps just haven't been placed). huh I really don't understand why you want a stack, in terms of gameplay this would break the movement completely D:
02:46:910 (8,9,10) - % fixed the same way
03:09:410 (1,2,3) - Very ambiguous to the player. Possibly put a NC on 03:09:669 (1) - .
03:11:479 (1,2,3) - ^ Same issue.
03:13:548 (4,5,6) - ^
03:58:160 (1,2) - ^
03:58:160 (1,2) - More strange spacing.
For this entire section, I'm keeping what I have because it's purposely difficult to read (not even honestly, it just makes sure the playuer is reading and not throwing their cursor around hoping to hit). The idea behind this is rather complex but in short, the contrast between the slow 1/1 and big 1/2 jumps with the same objects provides great emphasis on the stringed instrument.
04:18:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Personally can't read the pattern, can't confirm if it's just me or not. I've seen numerous people able to read it perfectly (me included), but I can see how it can be hard to read. If more point it out, I'll try to find a new one.
04:40:057 (7,8) - Awkward stacking.
04:41:091 (7,8) - ^
04:42:126 (7,8) - ^
04:43:160 (7,8) - ^
All of them follow the structure.

Generally the map feels kinda messy in a lot of places imo. I didn't list some things because I personally think they're just a challenge rather than "awkward" or obnoxiously hard to read. Generally I struggle a lot on this map (A rank is hard) so take my feedback with a pinch of salt.

Fast wrote:

dude

Okoratu wrote:

so what is Compressed Fury of a Raging Japanese God like

1. Yea intro sliders. I would lower the SV even a bit more. 0.40x or 0.35x. 00:23:701 (8) - This feels really natural. If you can get speeds like that.
2. 00:03:657 (4) - 00:04:821 (6) - 00:06:049 (8) - I would NC all of them just because long sliders + same combo (and thus same combo color) just looks kinda bad imo. Plus separating each iteration is also rhythmic. (You can do every two if you prefer, but reduced combo would look better).
3. 00:21:953 (3) - ^NC here would be nice too. and 00:23:701 (8) - . NC spam is fine with slow instrumental sections imo.
4. 00:41:673 - I think you could map this since you've been following the drums very closely up until now (and with the triplets that follow).
5. 00:47:298 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - This doesn't really sound like 1/4 streams to me xP. I would use some sort of 1/4 or 1/8 repeat slider here instead since the sound is more held than a bunch of taps/clicks.
6. 00:50:272 (4,6,8) - The overlaps aren't perfect. I think you might have accidentally moved a slider a bit cuz the pattern is a bit off compared to your usual overlaps
   
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7. 00:57:384 (7,8,9) - It's a sharp triplet + turn that doesn't really emphasize much in the music. I would just improve the flow here, make it less sharp since its creating emphasis that isn't in the music.
8. 01:03:850 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - Complete the parallel pattern?
   Having the stream match the endings of the sliders would look really cool here. Kinda hard to explain so here:

   
9. 01:12:126 (1,2,3,4) - 3,4 are more prominent drums imo. I would give them more spacing than 1>2
10. 01:33:591 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This overlap pattern doesn't seem too succcessful imo mainly because 01:34:497 (5) - the slider-end is a very different sound profile compared to the other sliders 01:33:850 (2,8) -.
11. 01:38:764 (1,2,3) - The negative space in between the sliders isn't even. If you care to fix: 01:39:022 (2) - Ctrl+G, then Rotate by -4 degrees from selection center, then Ctrl+G.
12. 01:43:936 (3,6,9) - This is kinda hard to read because the whole tail-half of the sliders are overlapped including the slider-edge which makes it extra hard to read. I'm cool with the overlap but can you move them up a bit so the edge is visible so theres better visual cue?
    
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13. 02:21:953 (9) - I really wish you'd NC this, it would fit really well to halve the combo here to fit the change in the pattern.
14. 02:39:022 (3) - This kickslider was kinda random lol. I mean, it works, but you use so few kick sliders that i feel just a circle here would have been good enough. If you want to map the blue tick do a triplet maybe. Otherwise i could say like 02:42:384 (5) - Why not do a kickslider here too for the same sound.
15. 02:42:384 (5) - Gap felt kinda awkward for me. How about just mapping it since you dont have 1/1 gaps elsewhere in this section. One-time occurences like this just feel out of place rather than "different" xP.
16. 02:48:074 (2,3,4) - You could space these out quite a bit more tbh. Considering the difficulty of the song, 1/4 slider-jumps would fit better than using low DS.
17. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - I wish this stream were a bit more interesting xP. An (imperfect) circular stream just felt a bit lame to me sry lol. The instruments go up and down in scale here, having a stream shape that captures that change would be nice.
18. 04:03:721 (9) - I would remove the slider and add a circle instead. Maintaining momentum here would be really nice. But when you put a 1/2 repeat players will just click and hold at/near the slider-head. If you add a circle then it gives continuous motion to the players. You have back/forth screen jumps shortly after this pattern so the continued movement would help.
19. 04:19:367 (5,9) - NC'ing them would definitely help with readability since players can visually identify the pattern change through color.
20. 04:53:981 (6) - NC would be cool.

monstrata wrote:

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1. Yea intro sliders. I would lower the SV even a bit more. 0.40x or 0.35x. 00:23:701 (8) - This feels really natural. If you can get speeds like that. They're already at 0.5 =(
2. 00:03:657 (4) - 00:04:821 (6) - 00:06:049 (8) - I would NC all of them just because long sliders + same combo (and thus same combo color) just looks kinda bad imo. Plus separating each iteration is also rhythmic. (You can do every two if you prefer, but reduced combo would look better).
3. 00:21:953 (3) - ^NC here would be nice too. and 00:23:701 (8) - . NC spam is fine with slow instrumental sections imo.
4. 00:41:673 - I think you could map this since you've been following the drums very closely up until now (and with the triplets that follow). Oh I never noticed this, thanks
5. 00:47:298 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - This doesn't really sound like 1/4 streams to me xP. I would use some sort of 1/4 or 1/8 repeat slider here instead since the sound is more held than a bunch of taps/clicks. The sound is held, but the 1/4 provides an awesome and brutal transition from the slow part into the more lively part of the song.
6. 00:50:272 (4,6,8) - The overlaps aren't perfect. I think you might have accidentally moved a slider a bit cuz the pattern is a bit off compared to your usual overlaps They are the same slider rotated
7. 00:57:384 (7,8,9) - It's a sharp triplet + turn that doesn't really emphasize much in the music. I would just improve the flow here, make it less sharp since its creating emphasis that isn't in the music. it actually plays very smoothly but ok
8. 01:03:850 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - Complete the parallel pattern? wasn't easy but done
9. 01:12:126 (1,2,3,4) - 3,4 are more prominent drums imo. I would give them more spacing than 1>2 good point, changed
10. 01:33:591 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This overlap pattern doesn't seem too succcessful imo mainly because 01:34:497 (5) - the slider-end is a very different sound profile compared to the other sliders 01:33:850 (2,8) -. changed
11. 01:38:764 (1,2,3) - The negative space in between the sliders isn't even. If you care to fix: 01:39:022 (2) - Ctrl+G, then Rotate by -4 degrees from selection center, then Ctrl+G. yes it is =(
12. 01:43:936 (3,6,9) - This is kinda hard to read because the whole tail-half of the sliders are overlapped including the slider-edge which makes it extra hard to read. I'm cool with the overlap but can you move them up a bit so the edge is visible so theres better visual cue? I will disagree with this one. None of the testplayers had any problems reading this.
13. 02:21:953 (9) - I really wish you'd NC this, it would fit really well to halve the combo here to fit the change in the pattern.
14. 02:39:022 (3) - This kickslider was kinda random lol. I mean, it works, but you use so few kick sliders that i feel just a circle here would have been good enough. If you want to map the blue tick do a triplet maybe. Otherwise i could say like 02:42:384 (5) - Why not do a kickslider here too for the same sound. that's not a kickslider, also the first one has a 1/4 slider because of the flute (the second one has no flute)
15. 02:42:384 (5) - Gap felt kinda awkward for me. How about just mapping it since you dont have 1/1 gaps elsewhere in this section. One-time occurences like this just feel out of place rather than "different" xP. what gap o_O
16. 02:48:074 (2,3,4) - You could space these out quite a bit more tbh. Considering the difficulty of the song, 1/4 slider-jumps would fit better than using low DS. I want to make the flute stand out here, so the low spacing contrasts with the rest
17. 03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - I wish this stream were a bit more interesting xP. An (imperfect) circular stream just felt a bit lame to me sry lol. The instruments go up and down in scale here, having a stream shape that captures that change would be nice. That's what I had at first and people complained, now they get the boring easy stream.
18. 04:03:721 (9) - I would remove the slider and add a circle instead. Maintaining momentum here would be really nice. But when you put a 1/2 repeat players will just click and hold at/near the slider-head. If you add a circle then it gives continuous motion to the players. You have back/forth screen jumps shortly after this pattern so the continued movement would help. k
19. 04:19:367 (5,9) - NC'ing them would definitely help with readability since players can visually identify the pattern change through color.
20. 04:53:981 (6) - NC would be cool.

I don't really like how you did the NC xP. You can spam NC more often to make your patterns easier to identify. You'll see that one of the many changes that came with modern, 2015 mapping is that mappers tend to spam NC. You see Insanes and Extra's that are ranked where total combo count might rarely even exceed 6 or 7 in Kiai because of NC spam every half-measure even. I don't think this NC spam concept is a 2015 style though, i feel like its more of an adaption from previous mapping styles being difficult to read as mappers began to use more overlaps and harder-to-read patterns. Not all things that were changed between say 2012 to 2015 constitute as part of a new style.

Note that I didn't ignore the NC mods, but I redid the comboing entirely.

1. 00:01:782 (3,2) - I think if you made the tail-end of slider 3 a bit better, the next silder which you blanket wouldn't look so awkward.
2. 00:23:701 (6) - NC here would look really cool tbh. I don't know if i mentioned it previously, but i'll mention it again.
3. 00:40:832 (1,2) - Kinda odd you skip the drums here considering you map them elsewhere in the intro.
4. 01:03:850 (9) - How about an NC here
5. 01:10:445 (1,2) - I'd NC on 2 isntead.
6. 01:14:453 (1,3) - Is there a reason the NC is on 1 instead of 3 (downbeat?)
7. 02:12:126 (3,4,5) - Tbh i'm not really liking the rhythm here. It just felt really awkward clicking on 02:12:384 - for me xP But i could hear a beat on the red tick right before it.
   
   Try a variation of this instead? Circle 4 can be a 1/2 slider too if that works better.

   
8. 02:13:419 (5,6) - Idk. People seem to enjoy progressively increasing jumps, and this jump sequence is right before a Kiai so how about making this jump bigger rather than smaller? xD 02:13:548 (6) - Try 378||13 it would fit your pattern pretty well.
9. 02:27:643 (6,6,6) - Did you try experimenting with slightly increasing the SV with each slider? Would look pretty cool here.
10. 03:19:884 (7) - NC here? Splitting this combo in half is better imo. Its much larger than the combo's that follow 03:21:953 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc... which contain the same rhythms
11. 03:27:126 (1) - Is it possible to make this slider fit the curve of the stream a bit more? Mainly just visual stuff.
12. 03:32:945 (4) - I would NC here. People who aren't amazing at reading would appreciate it, and I don't think it'd hurt anyone.
13. 04:55:588 (5) - NC here would be nice. Tbh i would double the entire NC pattern for that whole section on 04:48:565 (1). Seeing these single combo's that run for 2-3+ measures with a tonne of 1/4 rhythm still kinda irks me lol.

monstrata wrote:

Recheck!

1. 00:01:782 (3,2) - I think if you made the tail-end of slider 3 a bit better, the next silder which you blanket wouldn't look so awkward. fixed
2. 00:23:701 (6) - NC here would look really cool tbh. I don't know if i mentioned it previously, but i'll mention it again. huh, okay, I see where this comes from I think
3. 00:40:832 (1,2) - Kinda odd you skip the drums here considering you map them elsewhere in the intro. oh, good catch, thanks
4. 01:03:850 (9) - How about an NC here No, the stream here is part of the previous pattern, it closes it and makes way for the next section of the map
5. 01:10:445 (1,2) - I'd NC on 2 isntead. (1,2) are linked together since they're mapped on the same word (boku)
6. 01:14:453 (1,3) - Is there a reason the NC is on 1 instead of 3 (downbeat?) yes, like above (on "mazu")
7. 02:12:126 (3,4,5) - Tbh i'm not really liking the rhythm here. It just felt really awkward clicking on 02:12:384 - for me xP But i could hear a beat on the red tick right before it. Added a circle to it, hopefully that's better ?
8. 02:13:419 (5,6) - Idk. People seem to enjoy progressively increasing jumps, and this jump sequence is right before a Kiai so how about making this jump bigger rather than smaller? xD 02:13:548 (6) - Try 378||13 it would fit your pattern pretty well. I never realized this jump was smaller, fixed
9. 02:27:643 (6,6,6) - Did you try experimenting with slightly increasing the SV with each slider? Would look pretty cool here. Yup, I have, and I don't think it's better than what I have here, if you look at the position of every slider, they're stacked under the repeat of the previous one, but adding higher velocities would ruin that
10. 03:19:884 (7) - NC here? Splitting this combo in half is better imo. Its much larger than the combo's that follow 03:21:953 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - etc... which contain the same rhythms okay
11. 03:27:126 (1) - Is it possible to make this slider fit the curve of the stream a bit more? Mainly just visual stuff. for consistency with the combo that follows, I made it a straight slider, it fits better
12. 03:32:945 (4) - I would NC here. People who aren't amazing at reading would appreciate it, and I don't think it'd hurt anyone. Changed the comboing in this part.
13. 04:55:588 (5) - NC here would be nice. Tbh i would double the entire NC pattern for that whole section on 04:48:565 (1). Seeing these single combo's that run for 2-3+ measures with a tonne of 1/4 rhythm still kinda irks me lol. Changed too.

Anyways call me back!

Yauxo wrote:

Not a mod, but Ive noticed following in the beginning

■ 00:04:821 (1,2) - Pretty sure 00:04:821 (1) - 's sound ends on the White Tick (in the middle of the Slider) and 00:05:014 (2) - starts on the Blue Tick where the current 1 ends. (To check, use 25% and stop the music. Start from the Blue Tick and then from the White Tick and listen to a significant beatchange. There's none) shit you're right, thanks, I fixed that
■ 00:15:618 (5) - What is that there for? There's nothing to be played It mimicks this 00:10:575 (3,4) - (except with a circle), I added that because I found it was really cool to play and added a much welcome repetition. I found it contributes positively to the map, so I want to keep it.
■ 00:21:953 (1) - is offbeat. You went all-out for the following Slider by adding redlines to ensure that they're correctly timed - Why not for this one too? The sound starts somewhere just before the blue tick I didn't do the timing. That said, you're right about the slider, I changed it.
■ 03:17:686 (12,1) - This transition is also kinda counterintuitive since you have to speedily speed speed change from going "fast upwards" (kickslider) to "fast downwards" (to get to the Stream) and then also hit the 232bpm Stream (which is going upwards again). Lots of throwing the cursor around that couldve been avoided (with the Stream starting on 222/102 for example) That is something I did on purpose, because the flute goes from fast different notes (the spaced part) to some sort of trill (the compressed stream) and I wanted to emphasize that transition

Also, dont you think that all of this isnt somewhat overmapped? 02:31:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -, 03:56:997 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -, 04:08:505 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ...eh? Generally, most of the jumps are all the same/feel the same, but with extending patterns here and there. Even the actual patterns repeat one after another. :v it's not, listen to the big drum =(

Shiro wrote:

Did you wait for this to be bubbled to post your mod ? ;A; thanks though

Azer wrote:

I agree, I'm biased towards modern era mapping and I do dislike older style mapping but the way I see it, modern mapping exists today because it fixed flaws older styles had (one of the biggest ones is lack on emphasis on individual notes because of distance snapping), it's moving forward and as a modern era player/mapper I'm really on the other side of the coin, I think older maps are boring (I'm speaking very generally here, there's been tons of amazing maps that are still very fun to play) and modern maps focus on distance changes ("spacing is optional") because they emphasize individual notes in the song, which makes you feel like you are playing the song and not playing a map of the song, if that makes sense. In the end it's just my opinion and I understand why you disagree with me.

Raiden wrote:

Good luck shiro

Shiro*

Ukod wrote:

I quickly checked the timing of this map

00:10:058 (1) - Move one blue tick to the left hmm you're right, done

00:10:510 (2) - Remove this fuck no, it goes with the flute. I'll just flat out ignore the "remove this" comments.

00:37:213 (4,5,6,7,1) - Should be timed like this for all these: the big stringed instrument is always around 9/16 late. Trying to time to it would be delusional. I'll ignore further comments for it.

00:43:161 (13,14,15,16,17) - Time like this I could, but considering the pattern, it would be properly unreadable. I'll keep the 5-note stream, which is more intuitive and strangely more fitting here.

00:44:971 (1) - I just assumed you wanted to time the drums, in which case the timing is in 1/8 and 1/12

SPOILER

00:47:298 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Completely overmapped or is it ? it goes with the trill the flute goes for.

00:54:798 (1,2,3) - Time it like this That's unplayable.

01:01:652 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Completely overmapped Listen to the guitar.

01:24:540 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Overmapped I'll just ignore these as well.

01:59:971 (4,5,6,7,1) - I found this timing it is both wrong and unfitting

02:49:433 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - I think single slider fit vibrations like those better than streams I don't. The stream complements the slider well and represents the weird sound a lot better than a slider ever would.

03:06:113 (6,8,10) - Remove them and map the 1/2 as jumps Er, no. Did you miss the buildup with the patterns before ?

03:10:057 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - is 1/3 in the song

03:12:126 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - ^

03:14:195 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - ^

03:16:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^

03:17:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^

All changed, good catch

03:18:396 (10) - Remove this

03:25:057 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - is 1/3 in the song what ? no



Since I'm not a mapper I don't know if any of that is unrankable, feel free to ignore

1. The combos in the beginning of the map are random, let me tell you why. Up to 00:06:049 - everything seems fine, but then comes the problem. 00:06:049 (1,2,3) - is a 1/4 pattern, a'ight? Although, the distance from (2,3) is similar to 00:10:510 (3,4) - and they do have the same combo as well. Thing is, there's no way of detecting any of these patterns with such a low spacing when the 1/2, 1/4 or even the 1/6 (on 00:07:536 (3,4) - ) have the same combo. How can anyone know that 00:12:644 (4,1,2,3,4) - is not 1/4?
2. 00:49:884 (7,8) - Quite a big and unnecessary jump, in my opinion. What about moving (7) somewhere close to 00:49:109 (2) - ?
3. 01:07:988 (8) - I wouldn't have mapped this considering there's an extended sound from 01:07:729 (7) - , there's literally nothing to make clickable on (8), so maybe extending or adding a repeater to (7) wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
4. 01:11:479 (6,8) - Have you thought on curving these a bit? Sometimes curved sliders give players an intuitive moment in which they can imagine where the following object is going to be, especially when you are not placing that object below the previous slider, as said, you are placing 01:11:350 (5,7) - from above (6,8)'s head.
5. 01:12:514 (4,5) - You're spacing this pattern gradually but suddenly woop, distance gets decreased. Intentional? Also, you want to take a look at 01:37:341 (10,11) - since (5) and (11) have a similar connotation rhythm-wise, and whilst one is being very emphasised, the other is being overshadowed.
6. 01:25:315 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I don't know what do you think about these, but from my point of view, all these angles are quite sharp.
7. 01:33:333 (12,1) - I thought you were stacking notes after pauses
8. 01:43:936 (3,4) - Oh, love these. Good flow over here, well done!
9. 01:55:703 (4,5,1) - Quite a bad transition, imho. What about http://puu.sh/lgoqx/ffd645aa87.jpg ?
10. Time to compare, yaaaay! 02:10:574 (1,2) - 1/1 spacing not stacked; 02:10:833 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing stacked; 02:11:867 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing not stacked. You are evil, Shiro
11. You know which is the difference between 02:25:057 (1,2) - and 02:25:445 (3,4) - when you play it? There's no difference, and regarding the high BPM this map has, maybe placing 02:25:703 (4) - on x208 y240 would play way more better.
12. 02:43:678 (7,1) - Maybe you can combine them into one object, I can't literally hear anything on (1)'s head at all.
13. Time to compare... again, wiiiiii! 03:09:022 (3,1) - there's a stack over here; but there's no stack on 03:11:091 (3,1) - 03:13:160 (3,1) - . How evil can you be?
14. 03:58:160 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - I had a lot of troubles when playing this part. There's no clear path between each object, you mapped them the same way when they play way too different. That's something to take note of. Y'know, when you place a stack on the same section that other stack, you gotta make them more or less feel the similar way, if you are inconsistent with all your patterns, playing them will hurt a lot and it will be unfun and counter-intuitive to the player.
15. 04:20:660 (3,4) - Want to hear the reason behind these not being stacked with 04:20:402 (1,2) - <3. Just myself being too picky, sorry sorry!
16. 04:20:919 (1) - You know what would be AMAZING? Finish it on 04:22:772 - (1/6) because there's a super loud beat over there! Maybe you could even add a hitsound if you feel confident enough.
17. 04:28:807 (6,7,8) - Awww, linear flow? Come on, give these objects something... a pattern, make a triangle, make something more funny.
18. 04:39:281 (3) - I'm so sorry for this... curve it, curve it, Shiro!
19. 04:55:129 (3) - Random whistle maybe? There's literally nothing on this circle, no need to hitsound it.
20. 04:56:342 (4,5) - I can't tell how off (4)'s tail and (5)'s head are, but... they are not timed correctly, to my ears! Maybe 20~ms off?

Yuii- wrote:

Hellaaaw~
You asked me to mod this... 4 months ago.
Here I am.

Map's clear. Not any general issues need to be address other than the typical "Toggle Widescreen Support and Letterbox off".
Okay, so we both know how much effort you put onto this and I am not the best modder to analyze this beatmap, but I will try it because why not. Before you start reading this modding, I want to tell you how I will mod this: based on every pattern, transition and angle, that may affect playability or reading very hard up to the point of being impossible to get an FC. Basically, before saying something, trying to understand what was your thinking while you were placing every single object, let's try it.

1. The combos in the beginning of the map are random, let me tell you why. Up to 00:06:049 - everything seems fine, but then comes the problem. 00:06:049 (1,2,3) - is a 1/4 pattern, a'ight? Although, the distance from (2,3) is similar to 00:10:510 (3,4) - and they do have the same combo as well. Thing is, there's no way of detecting any of these patterns with such a low spacing when the 1/2, 1/4 or even the 1/6 (on 00:07:536 (3,4) - ) have the same combo. How can anyone know that 00:12:644 (4,1,2,3,4) - is not 1/4? Huh, blame Loctav for this. Basically, the comboing is not based on musical phrases as I usually do, but based on groups of notes, separated by silences. That's not actually proper comboing, but in this case, it's the best I could do without having longass combos.
2. 00:49:884 (7,8) - Quite a big and unnecessary jump, in my opinion. What about moving (7) somewhere close to 00:49:109 (2) - ? Nope, the jumps emphasizes the switch from guitar to the weird big stringed instrument. This is extremely important for 00:50:272 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - to be more intuitive, as it follows the same instrument.
3. 01:07:988 (8) - I wouldn't have mapped this considering there's an extended sound from 01:07:729 (7) - , there's literally nothing to make clickable on (8), so maybe extending or adding a repeater to (7) wouldn't be a bad idea at all. There's a drum hit, which are all important. Also, for the sake of the consistency in rhythms, I need this white tick clicked.
4. 01:11:479 (6,8) - Have you thought on curving these a bit? Sometimes curved sliders give players an intuitive moment in which they can imagine where the following object is going to be, especially when you are not placing that object below the previous slider, as said, you are placing 01:11:350 (5,7) - from above (6,8)'s head. I wanted to curve them and forgot, thanks
5. 01:12:514 (4,5) - You're spacing this pattern gradually but suddenly woop, distance gets decreased. Intentional? Also, you want to take a look at 01:37:341 (10,11) - since (5) and (11) have a similar connotation rhythm-wise, and whilst one is being very emphasised, the other is being overshadowed. Both are intentional. In the first pattern 01:12:255 (2,3,4,5) - the kick sample on 01:12:643 (5) - makes it barely audible in the song, which makes it a good break point, and that's why the distance is decreased: it doesn't emphasize 01:12:643 (5) - at all and allows for the break with the stack. On the other hand, 01:37:212 (9,10,11) - is introduced by a vocal line that goes higher in pitch, so 01:37:212 (9,10,11) - is more emphasized than the other pattern and that's why I used jumps for one and not the other.
6. 01:25:315 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I don't know what do you think about these, but from my point of view, all these angles are quite sharp. Map is built around sharp angles and back and forth patterns.
7. 01:33:333 (12,1) - I thought you were stacking notes after pauses hmm good points ill change this a bit
8. 01:43:936 (3,4) - Oh, love these. Good flow over here, well done! of course it's good flow, it's a Shiro map 8)
9. 01:55:703 (4,5,1) - Quite a bad transition, imho. What about http://puu.sh/lgoqx/ffd645aa87.jpg ? The flow reset on 01:56:091 (1) - is intended to isolate the new sentence in the vocals and reset the flow at that point. It also introduces the angle 01:56:091 (1,2,3,4) - use to make 01:57:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - more intuitive.
10. Time to compare, yaaaay! 02:10:574 (1,2) - 1/1 spacing not stacked; 02:10:833 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing stacked; 02:11:867 (2,3) - 1/1 spacing not stacked. You are evil, Shiro :D
11. You know which is the difference between 02:25:057 (1,2) - and 02:25:445 (3,4) - when you play it? There's no difference, and regarding the high BPM this map has, maybe placing 02:25:703 (4) - on x208 y240 would play way more better. changed, but not your way
12. 02:43:678 (7,1) - Maybe you can combine them into one object, I can't literally hear anything on (1)'s head at all. ah, my rhythm was wrong
13. Time to compare... again, wiiiiii! 03:09:022 (3,1) - there's a stack over here; but there's no stack on 03:11:091 (3,1) - 03:13:160 (3,1) - . How evil can you be? That is actually a mistake on my end - it's fixed
14. 03:58:160 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - I had a lot of troubles when playing this part. There's no clear path between each object, you mapped them the same way when they play way too different. That's something to take note of. Y'know, when you place a stack on the same section that other stack, you gotta make them more or less feel the similar way, if you are inconsistent with all your patterns, playing them will hurt a lot and it will be unfun and counter-intuitive to the player. okay, changed this
15. 04:20:660 (3,4) - Want to hear the reason behind these not being stacked with 04:20:402 (1,2) - <3. Just myself being too picky, sorry sorry! huh, original pattern was way different and i forgot to change them
16. 04:20:919 (1) - You know what would be AMAZING? Finish it on 04:22:772 - (1/6) because there's a super loud beat over there! Maybe you could even add a hitsound if you feel confident enough. ok but no hitsound
17. 04:28:807 (6,7,8) - Awww, linear flow? Come on, give these objects something... a pattern, make a triangle, make something more funny. ok
18. 04:39:281 (3) - I'm so sorry for this... curve it, curve it, Shiro! ok
19. 04:55:129 (3) - Random whistle maybe? There's literally nothing on this circle, no need to hitsound it. oups, yes
20. 04:56:342 (4,5) - I can't tell how off (4)'s tail and (5)'s head are, but... they are not timed correctly, to my ears! Maybe 20~ms off? fixed

Thanks for the mod.
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Sorry for not explaining myself very good on some points, you may find some things quite hard to understand maybe on how I mod. I'm a bit nervous because I have my job interview in 1 hour and hell... soooo nervous. Good luck to both of us!
Peace, Shiro!

Kroytz wrote:

00:01:265 (1) - I wanna ask why this exists. Triple starting 00:01:394 - sounds more reasonable though I know it doesn't accomplish what you were trying to do, though, what you were trying to do also doesn't sound fitting so idk Well, the problem here is the flute player is completely off (like, he should have used a metronome lol) and timing his notes properly is near impossible, so I had to compromise and choose intuitive rhythms that the flute player was trying to go for. On top of that, the flute doesn't have a clear start, so it's very difficult to time this properly. I think what I did is the closest I can get to a compromise between fittingness and playability. A triple would sound a bit weird considering I hear held notes for the flute, hence the sliders!
00:10:510 (3) - I also wanna ask what inspired you to create this thing of all shapes. Perhaps we interpret the song different but this is some 2010 stuff as are the rest of the slider in this short 10 second intro I honestly have no idea. I was just messing around creating random sliders, and I eventually found this shape. My idea was that the circle part follows the crescendo and the pitch going higher, while the wave part follows the held note. Overall the slider looks weird but it isn't a problem... right ? ;w;
00:23:101 (5) - NC for read okay
00:36:566 (1) - This spacing is misleading due to how you played out that last sequence. I'd rather see it elsewhere but I doubt you'd want to remap parts for this. This is just a technical thing. For consistency with the rest of the intro, I turned this into a triple.
00:38:763 (4) - Same goes here. I'd rather leave the former downward structure you did with (2) and the former (3) and space this out more to give more emphasis in that 1/2 pause. okay
00:41:351 (6,1) - You could easily make a perfect square with these to the previous notes. done
00:44:971 (1) - Idk bout this spacing. Why didn't you space this further? As the song goes to a complete halt at this point, spacing is irrelevant. Anywhere I could place the object would be an anti-jump, and the player has more than enough time to dance around with the cursor if they want to. I placed this to conform to my idea of symmetry for the next patterns, so it's on the vertical axis, and the angle of the slider mimicks the angles before (like 00:44:066 (4) - ) to still link the patterns together.
00:49:497 (5) - the dominant beat is on the white tick. You could also add a note here 00:49:820 - as a triple. But the sliders starting on the red tick feel awkward just cuz you're not hitting the dominant beat but playing it out for some pattern thingy in the next section. I'm sure there's a better way to go about this. I'm following the weird big stringed instrument here, and what I hear is what's being clicked. It's a new instrument in the chord and it's the most interesting one to follow.
00:49:497 (5,8) - Y'see how 5 and 8 go upwards, why not continue that with 00:50:919 (4,6) - cuz otherwise it looks cluttered. ah, good catch, they originally did but after I modified the pattern, I forgot to re-place those objects
01:12:902 (1) - could anti-jump this I prefer the stack here, because the vocals, which I'm following, come to a complete halt. I don't think an anti-jump would work here because the whole song has a short break here, so I thought the map should too.
01:20:919 (1) - I thought this section was pretty neat but why not space 01:23:893 (1) - higher up like the other sliders you did Huh, this is the first slider of the section, and the other objects gradually move to the top right. I can't place them any further up in the corner.
01:33:591 (1) - This could also function well as anti-jump but I suppose it's a matter of style here. This goes for all the other little 1/2 pause thingies you did Well, my idea was to go for a total stop as I said, so I don't want to change those, not having stacks wouldn't fit with what I was trying to do.
02:02:169 (4,1,2) - spacing is quite high here to fit a pattern where the music doesn't feel so threatening. Her vocals go deep and slow I wanted this to link the two kiai together, so I chose high spacing but easy jumps to make this part feel different (with the easy jumps and lots of sliders) but without completely breaking the energetic atmosphere I created with the first kiai.
02:10:833 (2) - if this went the other way where it end where you had 02:10:186 (3) - I think it'd be better but the spacing gets closer and this pause doesn't feel quite right when the DS is this low. Doesn't make for a good buildup imo. changed
02:21:953 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - jesus, now I know why the SR is so high. This would be good if there was a much more proper buildup into this rather than throwing this so suddenly at the players. I'd suggest moving these sliders 02:19:884 (1,2,3,4) - around the playfield more so that those jumps may work a little better because the slider leniancy right now makes those sliders easy to hit and then you get fukd in the ass by airman whirlwinds. Good point. Changed.
02:27:643 (6) - could space elsewhere for more emphasis and have the other follow suit ah, this is a pattern that plays with the sliders and circles. The sliders are getting closer while the circles get further apart from one another. It forms a contradicting buildup that goes well with the contrast between the held vocal and the spamming drum.
03:09:410 (1) - maybe space this more to the corner as well I augmented the spacing, not quite to the corner though
03:25:057 (1) - yo, this stream could be much more original lol. It's fitting I suppose and that's enough of an argument to keep it but this could easily be more exciting originally was exciting, players complained T_T
03:46:781 (1) - this some rabbit shet lol idk what to say can I at least be credited for my own patterns ? T_T
04:00:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this could probably be more intense with airman shit ah this is a recurring pattern in the difficulty, it gives it a nice structure and the player will be very happy to see patterns they've played before I think
04:06:178 (5,6) - (5) could be center upward slider and NC on 6 for a different pattern cuz yknow, downbeats n stuff I'll have to deny that, the comboing follows the phrases in the vocals, and the slider positions are consistent with the first kiai (with the symmetry)
04:07:471 (6) - same here with the NC stuff I changed that one
04:15:488 (7) - I think anti-jumping these parts would be cool, like if they went more outward to the top left corner as a means to emphasize the distance from the note to the streams. idk i like it they already do !
04:20:402 (1,2,3,4) - y not continue pattern downwards? done, also increased distance from last jumps
04:20:919 (1) - could just use a long slider and then follow into all the rekt beats you murdered from 04:21:695 - I'm not a big fan of super long sliders, I'd rather keep the spinner here >.<
04:27:643 (1) - slider? This is an isolated note because to me the song really resumes at 04:27:902 (2) - so this one shouldn't be emphasized or moved
04:44:712 (1) - this part here could be more intense too rather than overlapping your previous notes changed
04:45:617 (4) - this should get the most emphasis imo it does! kinda
05:01:926 (1) - you could create a jump thing like http://puu.sh/lgKap/c6a1b270d9.jpg i think this fits better than killing the beats like you did with that spinner :/// done

Kroytz wrote:

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