[ZooM] wrote:

Zak wrote:

You are not entitled to pp because you play Hard diff's with Hidden. If it bothers you that much player harder maps.

Hard - is the minimum. Often Insane or something like that. I get into the top 50 on the highest difficulty. Let the map is not the most difficult in the game, but its better than I have been only 20-40 people. Do not people deserve some PP? It is illogical and unfair. In the good old days was only Ranked Score, fair and clear.

Kingkevin30 wrote:

dude, values have changed in the past years, you were there in the begging..thats true but you just visited the game every few months, people were unhappy that score ranking was about time effort and strategysing about score farming, then ppv1 came and people found maps that fell out of the system because of the number of scores on a map, or people always having the exact high rank because of 0-Spinner SS's and many more weird situations...
and people were and maybe are to some extend unhappy with how ppv2 works, but you shouldn't critize it, it only does the thing that the major part of the community wanted..giving a ranking were your skill is the most important value. in ppv2 you have to play a combination of high distance,high AR,High CS-Combination to get the most out of a map...and peppy made it even easier, now you can just look up how many pp someone got for a map..if the record you're looking for is not in the top100 Best perfomance of a player then it's below his lowest value...so if you really care about having a high rank then put the effort into getting those points, and if don't want to thats also fine, everyone just wants to enjoy this game in his/her own ways, but don't call bullshit on people who are actually putting an effort into pleasing their community members.

[ZooM] wrote:

I understand, but this is the case - a person gets 1st place on the map and get, for example, 100 PP.
And all the rest get nothing. But their score may be less likely to 5000-10000.

Scorpionek wrote:

Not sure if Kevin's in love with ppv2 or he didn't mention how "fair" HT and mods multiplayers are on purpose.

Stefan wrote:

A lot of love for this update.

Girgias wrote:

Dunno if I'm actually that bad or not but i lost 11 thousand places with the algorithm change >___< so welp and 99% of my maps got reclassified in 1 star or 2 stars even if the title is difficult and would more likely need 4 stars or so how but thats just my opinion.

thijner14 wrote:

Pls just change it back

ZiRoX wrote:

It seems people don't understand raw pp doesn't mean anything

minhtam1638 wrote:

So are these PP scores going to be adjusted appropriately on my profile? It would really suck if they remained as they were before the update.

-Ryuujii- wrote:

It seems people don't understand what "waiting for the changes to be all done" means, can't you understand the rank you have now is not your final result/Final rank, wait some more days and stop complaining about you dropping 10k places or whatever and just wait and play the game.

Granger wrote:

Decided to wait out untill the recalc is done... Hory sheit, i boosted from #2500 to #1000, and here i thought i was a overrated player. O_o

Tom94 wrote:

Aaaaand calculations are done. Get the feedback going!

Rookie_FR wrote:

I don't even understand, I lost like almost 1.5k pp, before i had best performance with a map at 5.92 stars (w/HR) but now its gone... Now I don't understand what kind of map gives pp

Future_miku95 wrote:

i'm just newly fc-ing (bout 2 weeks ago) go berzerk with hd... i mean who wasn't happy to get much pp of this map since this map is hard because of jumping (more harder when adding hd)... i was very lazy back then when play that map but who knows dat was my lucky day...

but when pp system changes and knowing dat go berzerk is underrated.. i felt a deep silent and thought "what the heck this can be happen",, all difficult map became more and more low pp.. when people start comfortable with current pp system and this happen... im sure not only me unsatisfied with new system...

Granger wrote:

I feel like the new ratings over value maps with a harsh difficulty spike but are otherwise easy.
My new top rank is one of these maps - the first few seconds are brutal but after that its easymode. Im certain i've FCed overall harder maps. I didnt expect that one to become my top rank, at all.

Also interresting: A large part of my new top ranks are 1x miss plays now, while i generally think it is good that FC doesnt matter as much anymore this gets me curious.

Ryou ark wrote:

Really taking away pp is looking more and more dumb.. (atleast taking away much pp.. like 2k.. thanks)

I can live with that.. but what angers me the most is that i have to play maps like a 3k pp player (being now a 1k one) and get the same or even less amount of pp, which now discourages me completely :/

Simple27 wrote:

Tom, with the old algorithm , you could get much pp from easy 5-6 stars.
And someone said that you cant get pp when you are playing same difficulty maps.Then with the new algorithm ,that means that those who played easy 5-6 stars then must play 5-6 star maps(impossible maps) even with the new star ranking?

Givralii wrote:

Simple27 wrote:

Tom, with the old algorithm , you could get much pp from easy 5-6 stars.
And someone said that you cant get pp when you are playing same difficulty maps.Then with the new algorithm ,that means that those who played easy 5-6 stars then must play 5-6 star maps(impossible maps) even with the new star ranking?

Na, it's just the fact that the average star count on maps has been reduced quite a bit. But you can still get lot's of pp with the good maps. Exemple: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/371595?m=2 (Overdose) was in the past past over 6 stars, I got 240 for that in the past. Now it's 5.62 or so but the same score gave me 329 pp. Maps 6 stars rated now are way harder then 6 stars in the past. So you don't need to play 6 stars maps now to get pp, you can get pp with a way lower star rating. Hope you understand what I rote.

Simple27 wrote:

I understand,but i want to get some pp and i want some ctb maps not for pros but chalenging ,can you help me?

Zak wrote:

I'd say maps are getting challenging at around 4.5 stars now, maybe a bit lower even.

Though to be honest, if you're playing them just for pp, you won't improve much, but if you play to improve your skill in general your rank will rise with it eventually.

Simple27 wrote:

I dont play for pp,but its sad that i play some quite hard things and i dont even get 3 pp!

Scorpionek wrote:

Tom, why did you abandon old maps?

Granger wrote:

I dont know... id consider tiny hitcircles at low AR with HD pretty hard. Of course, only a part of the old maps is like that.

Storm- wrote:

ctb is fine,
HD gives a fine ammount anywhere between 20-50

stars are off cuz CTB is hard to calculate overall difficulty

everyone doesn't have to much pp that's the issue is there is not enough pp maps or so to speak there is very few 500 pp maps and once the top 10 or 5 do those maps you will have what i call a pp cap, which means you must either A: hardrock or B: DT.

older maps are abandoned because this is the new generation of ctb not switched on lotus style, switched on lotus and system of a down is not really all that tough compared to high apm maps like daze also it's ironic that you say old maps are abandoned by new pp @Scorpionek when your top rank is a tag4 map from 2010

the only thing i can agree with this thread thus far is that DT should be weighed a little more prob 10-15% that is all

if you people are wondering why 0108 maps are worth a lot, because of the big droplet change tag4 style maps and droplet maps are weighed a lot heavily more, that's why most 0108 maps are weighed pretty high

the only issue i can see with this pp change is FL and DT FL is very confusing to calculate and DT should be weighed a lot heavily more.

also idk why you guys are complaining about this, create feedback not opinions at least maps like aspire and shuffle heaven and freedom dive hdhr and velper's DT are being calculated instead of being worth 100 or less.

Storm- wrote:

everyone doesn't have to much pp that's the issue is there is not enough pp maps or so to speak there is very few 500 pp maps and once the top 10 or 5 do those maps you will have what i call a pp cap, which means you must either A: hardrock or B: DT.

Storm- wrote:

stars are off cuz CTB is hard to calculate overall difficulty

Storm- wrote:

also idk why you guys are complaining about this, create feedback not opinions at least maps like aspire and shuffle heaven and freedom dive hdhr and velper's DT are being calculated instead of being worth 100 or less.

Storm- wrote:

the only thing i can agree with this thread thus far is that DT should be weighed a little more prob 10-15% that is all

Zak wrote:

Stop saying "people have too much pp" because you're comparing it to standard, you DO NOT compare a system to a system for another mode, they're not supposed to be just about the same, while I do agree the maps giving 500pp are weighted too much, I wouldn't agree with updating the system unless it can still weigh the actual hard maps high enough without the really easy shit like Go Berzerk getting an explosion of pp.

Everyone has already seen those few maps that give too much, but aside from that (not counting DT since it does need some rework) the system seems to be decently balanced. Everyone is just going to have to wait for Tom to have a chance to tweak things again in a couple more months. Just don't convince him to completely change everything again since we're definitely heading in the right direction currently.

eldnl wrote:

But the amount of pp doesn't matter, in overall, it is just a number. The problem is how the points are calculated, isn't?

Storm- wrote:

eldnl wrote:

But the amount of pp doesn't matter, in overall, it is just a number. The problem is how the points are calculated, isn't?

play for fun, i think we all learned that while playing without rankings for quite some time.

Storm- wrote:

eldnl wrote:

But the amount of pp doesn't matter, in overall, it is just a number. The problem is how the points are calculated, isn't?

play for fun, i think we all learned that while playing without rankings for quite some time.

-Ryuujii- wrote:

that's ironic coming from you.

Laharl wrote:

Guess what, they don't because pp's the ultimate pleasure.