And now I haz a sad. lol.
Thanks for the link, though.
Thanks for the link, though.
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Thought Singapore will do better T_T
Same as Hong Kong. Sadly Hong Kong was placed with the top seeded groups
Same as Hong Kong. Sadly Hong Kong was placed with the top seeded groups
I was suggesting this as well.Xayne wrote:
I think this would be easily remedied by adding a bit of a delay on spectating matches. Add a 5-10 second delay to give time for the playback to buffer properly. It really is a shame to see a game that I think would have a lot of success as a spectator e-sport suffer from bad presentation.xasuma wrote:
Being on the other end of the straw(spectator on twitch) I would like to inquire for someone to attempt and fix fake misses. I know it is "client lag", but there is got to be something someone can do about it.
This one thing is for me at least the most annoying one when watching owc. Hopefully for the next weekends coming, but if it's not possible that quickly, at least for next year. ty
Zallius said that spectators wouldn't like the delay. My personal opinion is that something like 5-10 seconds isn't a big deal and you don't even need to delay the mp data with a delay that small. The trade-off would be worth it (assuming that a similarly small amount of time would actually fix the issue).
There's an error with the tournament bracket picture.
Even though it says Ukraine is playing against Taiwan, the visual seems to give Ukraine a bye.
Edit: more errors. USA beat UK 4-2, not 4-3. The Canadian and German flags are not showing in two instances.
Maybe, in order to fix these errors in the future, try double checking your work.
Even though it says Ukraine is playing against Taiwan, the visual seems to give Ukraine a bye.
Edit: more errors. USA beat UK 4-2, not 4-3. The Canadian and German flags are not showing in two instances.
Maybe, in order to fix these errors in the future, try double checking your work.
Loctav ain't got time for that shit m8Harrharrqi wrote:
Edit: more errors. USA beat UK 4-2, not 4-3. The Canadian and German flags are not showing in two instances.
Maybe, in order to fix these errors in the future, try double checking your work.
As long as people understand this I can die happyAthrun_Yamato wrote:
You guys still did pretty well. And in that match you wrote, "Onodera is love"
Rea Himuro
Not necessarily luck. The top team of a group gets to face the 2nd best team of another group which is common practice.manjumochi wrote:
It just me or Germany gets the easier path to finals...
South Korea again gets bad luck and will play finals to the end if they advance.
That being said time will tell whether this actually is the easier path. I sure don't know. :p
Based on the tournament schedule there should be a double elimmination otherwise two Final Weeks makes no sense.Rea Himuro wrote:
I want to know if the knockout stage is going to be double elimination as it has been promised or it will only be a normal knockout?
Because based on the graph that has been posted on wiki, it seems to be just a normal knockout stage which is the same as the previous OWCs.
an osu dev playing in owc is so weird, it's like if Chris Metzen played at a blizzcon 3's tournament on WoW, or IronStylus being in an LCS team on LoL.Tom94 wrote:
Not necessarily luck. The top team of a group gets to face the 2nd best team of another group which is common practice.manjumochi wrote:
It just me or Germany gets the easier path to finals...
South Korea again gets bad luck and will play finals to the end if they advance.
That being said time will tell whether this actually is the easier path. I sure don't know. :p
Team Peppy when?
I really don't mind the delay tbh if it doesn't make me hyped up for the wrong reason or something like that (e.g. someone dropped combo, chance of going into tie breaker then finds out to be client lag orz)Ethelon wrote:
I was suggesting this as well.Xayne wrote:
I think this would be easily remedied by adding a bit of a delay on spectating matches. Add a 5-10 second delay to give time for the playback to buffer properly. It really is a shame to see a game that I think would have a lot of success as a spectator e-sport suffer from bad presentation.
Zallius said that spectators wouldn't like the delay. My personal opinion is that something like 5-10 seconds isn't a big deal and you don't even need to delay the mp data with a delay that small. The trade-off would be worth it (assuming that a similarly small amount of time would actually fix the issue).
https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10353347
MLG Can Can.
What the heck.
420 Blazeit XxX_SampleText_XxX 360 qwickscope
MLG Can Can.
What the heck.
420 Blazeit XxX_SampleText_XxX 360 qwickscope
I suppose they forgot to add it.
Should be fixed soon (uploaded updated version, but it takes wiki to propagate changes.)
I'm just gonna put this out here in hope that anyone developing the tournament clients can see this. The one single thing that ruins the stream is the lag. There is always glitched misses or lag in every match. Is it possible if the client is delayed a couple minutes so everything can catch up and display the proper information instead?
I've always questioned that in the world cup. There is so much lag.Plaatinum wrote:
I'm just gonna put this out here in hope that anyone developing the tournament clients can see this. The one single thing that ruins the stream is the lag. There is always glitched misses or lag in every match. Is it possible if the client is delayed a couple minutes so everything can catch up and display the proper information instead?
I second that. While spectating it just gives people sudden heart-attacks when you see players miss here and there. Even commentators seem to have a hard time deciding on who missed and which team is leading. This ruins the spectating experience more than you'd think.Athrun_Yamato wrote:
I've always questioned that in the world cup. There is so much lag.Plaatinum wrote:
I'm just gonna put this out here in hope that anyone developing the tournament clients can see this. The one single thing that ruins the stream is the lag. There is always glitched misses or lag in every match. Is it possible if the client is delayed a couple minutes so everything can catch up and display the proper information instead?
you're acting as if that hasnt been discussed on the previous page
It really isn't. If you look at LoL, almost all of the commentators are retired pro-players. It makes a lot of sense to play the game you're devving so you can get a good grasp on what you need to work on.Riince wrote:
an osu dev playing in owc is so weird, it's like if Chris Metzen played at a blizzcon 3's tournament on WoW, or IronStylus being in an LCS team on LoL.Tom94 wrote:
Not necessarily luck. The top team of a group gets to face the 2nd best team of another group which is common practice.
That being said time will tell whether this actually is the easier path. I sure don't know. :p
Team Peppy when?
And yeah it does seem like France and China get a horrible bracket, but they did have a relatively easy time through groups. Good luck to them.
And I hear everyone's complaints about the client lag, very sorry about it but I doubt we can do much about it. Spectating 8 people at once, some of them having rather unstable Internet connections, I'm already amazed it works. The only way to have it be more stable in my opinion would be to add a boatload of buffer time, which might not even really help if people's connections are slowing down.
Oh, also, good taste KRZY. Onodera a best.
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffsmanjumochi wrote:
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
well commentators are a lot different than devs~Mr Color wrote:
It really isn't. If you look at LoL, almost all of the commentators are retired pro-players. It makes a lot of sense to play the game you're devving so you can get a good grasp on what you need to work on.
Wow, prepare yourself for us freedoming all over your silly predictions[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffsmanjumochi wrote:
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
im not really sure how you could even think argentina to be better than usa
What about a 30-60 sec buffer time? This could be implemented in normal spectator mode as well, or just when spectating multiple people at once. THis should get rid of most of the lag. Yes crappy internet still will lag, but wouldnt it still help for most of the times? The fakes misses occur so often that no one ever knows when someone misses anymore.
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffsmanjumochi wrote:
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
I also think USA have favoritism against Argentina, despite Argentina have good players (but USA at the moment have upper hand).silmarilen wrote:
im not really sure how you could even think argentina to be better than usa
Sorry for my bad english
./happytime
All the players are really good, they are on RO16. They will do their best, and we will enjoy this with a stream without any lag
/happytime off
Go France, This year is for us ! ! !
All the players are really good, they are on RO16. They will do their best, and we will enjoy this with a stream without any lag
/happytime off
Go France, This year is for us ! ! !
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
Austria
I LOL'D SO HARDEspecially with what the Queen said, I am so gonna get "clicked" and wake up rank 1,000,000
Have you considered streaming the matches off of replay files instead of streaming them live (would be like 5-10 minute delay) to cut down on some of the lag and client issues? It seems like most of the issues are caused by network jitter.
Also casters seem to be lost about what to talk about sometimes. I know casters for other games talk about things other than just the game just to keep people entertained. Game topics outside of OWC stuff would tie in nicely (such as opinions on ppv2.0, different mods, "how to get better", etc.). I definitely think there is more they could talk about as far as individual players (perhaps do some research on players and talk to them beforehand?). Also, if you say something about a player in one match, and they play in another match 8 hours later, it never hurts to repeat what you said. Not everyone watches from start to finish. Something just feels extremely lacking and I'm not sure the best way to put it into words so hopefully the above touches on it properly.
TL;DR network problems + casting feels unrefined
Also casters seem to be lost about what to talk about sometimes. I know casters for other games talk about things other than just the game just to keep people entertained. Game topics outside of OWC stuff would tie in nicely (such as opinions on ppv2.0, different mods, "how to get better", etc.). I definitely think there is more they could talk about as far as individual players (perhaps do some research on players and talk to them beforehand?). Also, if you say something about a player in one match, and they play in another match 8 hours later, it never hurts to repeat what you said. Not everyone watches from start to finish. Something just feels extremely lacking and I'm not sure the best way to put it into words so hopefully the above touches on it properly.
TL;DR network problems + casting feels unrefined
Nothing against your opinion or suggestions but they do talk about other mods and such, what do you watch? they also talk about osu!Academy and if you have lag issues with your stream, just fix your comcast internet or refresh. If players Disconnect during a match is their fault not the client lol. You should give more good feedback to the casters and management they are doing a great job so far, as best as they can.chainpullz wrote:
Have you considered streaming the matches off of replay files instead of streaming them live (would be like 5-10 minute delay) to cut down on some of the lag and client issues? It seems like most of the issues are caused by network jitter.
Also casters seem to be lost about what to talk about sometimes. I know casters for other games talk about things other than just the game just to keep people entertained. Game topics outside of OWC stuff would tie in nicely (such as opinions on ppv2.0, different mods, "how to get better", etc.). I definitely think there is more they could talk about as far as individual players (perhaps do some research on players and talk to them beforehand?). Also, if you say something about a player in one match, and they play in another match 8 hours later, it never hurts to repeat what you said. Not everyone watches from start to finish. Something just feels extremely lacking and I'm not sure the best way to put it into words so hopefully the above touches on it properly.
TL;DR network problems + casting feels unrefined
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weren't you posting the exact lame speech in #commentary?jesus1412 wrote:
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was he
can't find it in log.
can't find it in log.
What the fuck did you say about my copy pasting skills....Loctav wrote:
weren't you posting the exact lame speech in #commentary?jesus1412 wrote:
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I have over 300 confirmed successful copy+pastes.
Topic Starter
Marcin wrote:
was he
can't find it in log.
oh btw, wiki owners, notice that lesslunatic changed his username. o/
Can't edit the page myself, it's locked.
Can't edit the page myself, it's locked.
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffsmanjumochi wrote:
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
Why South Korea? Shouldn't it be China
and goodbye jesse cuz Austria will rekt UK
-Soba- wrote:
Wow, prepare yourself for us freedoming all over your silly predictions[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffs
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
I don't know but I smell a big drama.
I believe it starts next week. I think we haven't been given details because the staff is still figuring out how to do it most efficiently, because it really will be a cluster of matches and some weird delays when the Winner's Bracket is done.NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
Topic Starter
Read the ruleset? Its all written there.fartownik wrote:
I believe it starts next week. I think we haven't been given details because the staff is still figuring out how to do it most efficiently, because it really will be a cluster of matches and some weird delays when the Winner's Bracket is done.NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
too bad alumetorz can't play due to a serbian festival, just like last year when we were against latvia, so rip austria for now hahaToGlette wrote:
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffs
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
Why South Korea? Shouldn't it be China
and goodbye jesse cuz Austria will rekt UK
Loctav wrote:
Read the ruleset? Its all written there.
Read the posts?
The question was when it starts, not what it will look like. And I don't see any information about that in Stage Instructions. What we want to know is when and under which mappool (present or next) loser's bracket matches will be scheduled. It's for the losing teams to be informed as not to be suddenly surprised with "you're playing tomorrow at 9am" or similar info.
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You shouldnt worry about such stuff too much. Every match is scheduled and pool-assigned to the according round in the table. There are letters, there is a round name. There you have your assignment.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Loctav wrote:
Read the ruleset? Its all written there.
Read the posts?
The question was when it starts, not what it will look like. And I don't see any information about that in Stage Instructions. What we want to know is when and under which mappool (present or next) loser's bracket matches will be scheduled. It's for the losing teams to be informed as not to be suddenly surprised with "you're playing tomorrow at 9am" or similar info.
This tournament.... I can't even.
also #freeHappystick
also #freeHappystick
So much hate on Locatav in Australia vs Netherlands...
And now the censorship. This chat is turning into communism where every single rude comment will be shot on sight.
R.I.P.
And now the censorship. This chat is turning into communism where every single rude comment will be shot on sight.
R.I.P.
For a good reason though.. If you're gonna make stuff up on the fly as a staff member for the OWC just because you can't handle a joke, the OWC loses a lot of credibility.Athrun_Yamato wrote:
So much hate on Locatav in Australia vs Netherlands...
Man this is turning serious.
Some picture highlights:
Attempt of clearing the commotion
Second time. They actually stopped the comment flow...
The happystick movement
The chat has ever gone so quiet.. A first in OWC history
Is this the next Tienanmen Square incident?
Some picture highlights:
Attempt of clearing the commotion
Second time. They actually stopped the comment flow...
The happystick movement
The chat has ever gone so quiet.. A first in OWC history
Is this the next Tienanmen Square incident?
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
The way Loctav is acting is really cheapening the OWC imo
My god. Communism...fartownik wrote:
This is why I really liked last year's positioning of the tournament. It all went ever so smoothly.[ Joey ] wrote:
The way Loctav is acting is really cheapening the OWC imo
I don't know if you're having a bad day Loctav, but this time you committed a sin of power abuse.
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
You're sentenced to a lifetime in jail.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Chill, please
This is probably going too far for what Loctav said. It's too intense. Probably really stressed today.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I don't know if you're having a bad day Loctav, but this time you committed a sin of power abuse.
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
He wouldn't be the kind of person to do this, wow.
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
There will be another one. Did this kind of thing happen last year? I don't recall it happening last year.-Kamikaze- wrote:
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
And for that question, probably.
it's twitch chat, what do you expect? it's just that the individuals modding the chat either weren't familiar with twitch as a platform or how to moderate larger channels. and ya, thread wipe inc-Kamikaze- wrote:
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
It was peaceful owc last year, so was mwc
This tournament is already taking its turn on the bad side...
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
Then.. what has changed this year?-Kamikaze- wrote:
It was peaceful owc last year, so was mwc
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
The way they are trying to moderate Twitch chat is horrid. Definitely driving people away. You'd think it was their first time ever on Twitch. The production of this has to be one of the worst I've ever seen for a gaming competition. I love osu, but this is just embarrassing. I'm not sure if osu actually wants to try to get bigger on the e-sports stage, but with stuff like this, it's going nowhere fast. If it doesn't care about that scene, then it definitely shows and I just need to lower expectations of production.
There were bans in mwc tho. I mean, WHOLE Candian 7K team got banned from it because of multi's. Also some teams didn't participate in any matches and there were issues with timezones and maps being too easy in groups (like 3,5* maps), but there wasn't even a tiny bit of dramas that are hereAthrun_Yamato wrote:
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
Please stop using that word if you clearly have no idea what it means, lolAthrun_Yamato wrote:
Communism
It definitely seems like the mods have absolutely no idea how to moderate twitch chat. I eventually just left the stream because the smart mods decide the best way to fix everything is to silence the chat.
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
Heterozygous_old
OMG how rude of Netherlands not wishing Aus good luck!fartownik wrote:
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
I missed the first two matches, what were the results? And mp history links please? :>
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lolBauxe wrote:
OMG how rude of Netherlands not wishing Aus good luck!fartownik wrote:
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
You say to stop using "communism" as an insult because it is offensive, but you use the term "cancer" improperly, and that can be very offensive to some peopleNashmun wrote:
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
You can now go back to where you came from, wherever you were for the whole tournament, because you're clearly not updated.Nashmun wrote:
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
But you still destroyed usSynchrostar wrote:
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lol
R9k mode prevents twitch chat from sending identical messages. Instantly solves spam. They aren't trying to moderate. This is just one giant power trip.
Nashmun wrote:
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
What a typical guy totally uninvolved in the tournament would say. Actually with additional bullshit.
"Don't play if you're unhappy" - Sad that we would've been banned if we decided to resign. This gives me an impression that you have hardly any idea about what caused the drama and therefore people like you shouldn't even open this thread.
Describing us as children (childs lol) despite probably being younger than many OWC players + the sheer fact of putting everyone into the same bag is as offensive.
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
tl;dr disappear
This is not communism, it's called dictatorship/autocracy.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
yeah we were mad and tired so we put our tryhard pants onBauxe wrote:
But you still destroyed usSynchrostar wrote:
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lol
good luck in loser bracket HERE I SAID IT
If you look over the rules, it never said anything about silence = not being able to play. Just because Loctav is one of the moderators of the tournament, doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants when he feels like it.
Also, I think the 'children' in this thread just want to make the OWC better. Sure, spamming the chat may be just Twitch mannerisms taking over, but there is a valid point to make when you look at the way the 'silence gate' was handled.
Also, I think the 'children' in this thread just want to make the OWC better. Sure, spamming the chat may be just Twitch mannerisms taking over, but there is a valid point to make when you look at the way the 'silence gate' was handled.
As a matter of fact, yes, ik what is comunism.
Why I always bring up the word, because im still angry at the chinese communist party.
Don't think you can stop me saying that word.
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
Why I always bring up the word, because im still angry at the chinese communist party.
Don't think you can stop me saying that word.
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
There will be no response, the last 10 pages of the topic will be erased and we will continue the tournament in the same sweet manner. We're just talking here while we still can.Athrun_Yamato wrote:
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
There is no point on arguing publicly on this anymore. But don't assume things that are untrue, just because I don't talk a lot doesn't mean I know nothing and I followed the whole story. If you didn't understand that childs actually stood for the behaviour and not your age then there is nothing I can do anymore. If you still want to discuss about it just PM me but I don't think it really worth it.
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Tshemmp wrote:
This is not communism, it's called dictatorship.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
MY FUCKING GOD I KNOW
I just explained that since Stalin was a part of communist party it reminds us of communism. He was really dictator and we all know this. (Officially he was :just: a General Secretary)
That's what it boils down to. I want to see the OWC succeed. But this is only going to ruin its reputation if it keeps going in this direction. It's going to get to the point where only die-hards will tune in. I see the potential for great entertainment value through osu competitions, but the way things are now is just one huge self-destruct button.
I guess, this is kinda hard, when you're not able to play for telling someone to chill. You should see it in the players perspective.Nashmun wrote:
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Oh man... I've never seen such a messy tournament. So much unnecessary drama.
I am not saying the way the tournament is managed is perfect, but was it worth it polluating the chat with insults and bring it to the forum with no constructive comments ? (I'm talking about this particular case, there were indeed constructive discussions in this thread).
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
i'm just here for the twitch bit though. i really do not understand why you would ever moderate twitch chat. the only reason when you need to clear and/or moderate is when shit is out of control. that was not the case here. not by miles. this was just a simple riot. let the fucking chat have their riot. that's what twitch is about. if you truly cannot have the backbone, sense of humor or just brain to comprehend these type of events that occur in the twitch chat, then fucking leave twitch. twitch is where fun is allowed. if you don't like fun, go host this shit on dailymotion.
Nashmun wrote:
I am not saying the way the tournament is managed is perfect, but was it worth it polluating the chat with insults and bring it to the forum with no constructive comments ? (I'm talking about this particular case, there were indeed constructive discussions in this thread).
Have you met twitch chat before, that should not come as a surprise. Also the heavy moderating is not helping with this issue.
Nashmun wrote:
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
Point is he overreacted, simple as this. The silence was in no way justified.
So much unnessesary drama coming up around that NL-Aus match.
From what i can tell mostly caused by a flawed organization pushing people into hurrying up in a very mean way. I'm not saying Loctav is the single reason here, i know why he pushes the players to hurry up, yet he is doing it the wrong way imo. There are options to be nice about it. If you are being nice you can mostly expect appropriate behaviour from your partner in conversations.
Still this may sound harsh, but i think a person who gets so abusive to players should not have the rights to ban or silence players, this is a thing to think about.
A total different thing is how the twitch chat is being handled. That approach is just straightup wrong from what i can tell. If you ban out emotes, names of players or unpleasant comments, that just causes more and more spam. People are not going to step down because they got timed out for a second, but they will instead try to fight authority, its just natural human nature.
I don't want to say to allow all spam, mods can certainly time out abusive spam or incredibly mean comments. But as it stands no humor is accepted by any moderation and that just lowers everyones fun. Mods and commentators dont have fun because people start to riot and spam, people rooting for their team dont have fun because chat gets ruined and they cant even put emotes after their comment.
OWC wants to appear like a "professional" tournament, but at the same time they have flawed rules like when a player DCs its his fault, even if i have seen on stream of players that they DCed from bancho without their internet dropping. Also the stream is heavily influences by lag issues which goes to show how stable the servers really are and no, this is not a twitch issue. It should be decided whether OWC is supposed to be "for fun" or full-on "competetive". Either way, changes should be made both in staff and in attitude of the organisation.
From what i can tell mostly caused by a flawed organization pushing people into hurrying up in a very mean way. I'm not saying Loctav is the single reason here, i know why he pushes the players to hurry up, yet he is doing it the wrong way imo. There are options to be nice about it. If you are being nice you can mostly expect appropriate behaviour from your partner in conversations.
Still this may sound harsh, but i think a person who gets so abusive to players should not have the rights to ban or silence players, this is a thing to think about.
A total different thing is how the twitch chat is being handled. That approach is just straightup wrong from what i can tell. If you ban out emotes, names of players or unpleasant comments, that just causes more and more spam. People are not going to step down because they got timed out for a second, but they will instead try to fight authority, its just natural human nature.
I don't want to say to allow all spam, mods can certainly time out abusive spam or incredibly mean comments. But as it stands no humor is accepted by any moderation and that just lowers everyones fun. Mods and commentators dont have fun because people start to riot and spam, people rooting for their team dont have fun because chat gets ruined and they cant even put emotes after their comment.
OWC wants to appear like a "professional" tournament, but at the same time they have flawed rules like when a player DCs its his fault, even if i have seen on stream of players that they DCed from bancho without their internet dropping. Also the stream is heavily influences by lag issues which goes to show how stable the servers really are and no, this is not a twitch issue. It should be decided whether OWC is supposed to be "for fun" or full-on "competetive". Either way, changes should be made both in staff and in attitude of the organisation.
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