What the fuck did you say about my copy pasting skills....Loctav wrote:
weren't you posting the exact lame speech in #commentary?jesus1412 wrote:
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Marcin wrote:
was he
can't find it in log.
oh btw, wiki owners, notice that lesslunatic changed his username. o/
Can't edit the page myself, it's locked.
Can't edit the page myself, it's locked.
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffsmanjumochi wrote:
Well, it lags even in normal spectator mode (and with same problems), maybe this could be a hint to solve (or not, because of internet connections all over the world have a lot of variations, even good internet connection sometimes have lag).
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
Why South Korea? Shouldn't it be China
and goodbye jesse cuz Austria will rekt UK
-Soba- wrote:
Wow, prepare yourself for us freedoming all over your silly predictions[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffs
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
I don't know but I smell a big drama.
I believe it starts next week. I think we haven't been given details because the staff is still figuring out how to do it most efficiently, because it really will be a cluster of matches and some weird delays when the Winner's Bracket is done.NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
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Read the ruleset? Its all written there.fartownik wrote:
I believe it starts next week. I think we haven't been given details because the staff is still figuring out how to do it most efficiently, because it really will be a cluster of matches and some weird delays when the Winner's Bracket is done.NaCulus wrote:
so, when will the loser bracket be held?
too bad alumetorz can't play due to a serbian festival, just like last year when we were against latvia, so rip austria for now hahaToGlette wrote:
[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
it lags when you have over 10k clients connecting to osu! doing all sort of stuffs
I am guessing that these teams will make it to quarter finals based on history and statistic (basically nothing)
Germany, Netherlands, Taiwan, Austria, Argentina, Japan, Poland, South Korea
Hopefully I am wrong though, someone might hate me for jinxing them
Why South Korea? Shouldn't it be China
and goodbye jesse cuz Austria will rekt UK
Loctav wrote:
Read the ruleset? Its all written there.
Read the posts?
The question was when it starts, not what it will look like. And I don't see any information about that in Stage Instructions. What we want to know is when and under which mappool (present or next) loser's bracket matches will be scheduled. It's for the losing teams to be informed as not to be suddenly surprised with "you're playing tomorrow at 9am" or similar info.
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You shouldnt worry about such stuff too much. Every match is scheduled and pool-assigned to the according round in the table. There are letters, there is a round name. There you have your assignment.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Loctav wrote:
Read the ruleset? Its all written there.
Read the posts?
The question was when it starts, not what it will look like. And I don't see any information about that in Stage Instructions. What we want to know is when and under which mappool (present or next) loser's bracket matches will be scheduled. It's for the losing teams to be informed as not to be suddenly surprised with "you're playing tomorrow at 9am" or similar info.
This tournament.... I can't even.
also #freeHappystick
also #freeHappystick
So much hate on Locatav in Australia vs Netherlands...
And now the censorship. This chat is turning into communism where every single rude comment will be shot on sight.
R.I.P.
And now the censorship. This chat is turning into communism where every single rude comment will be shot on sight.
R.I.P.
For a good reason though.. If you're gonna make stuff up on the fly as a staff member for the OWC just because you can't handle a joke, the OWC loses a lot of credibility.Athrun_Yamato wrote:
So much hate on Locatav in Australia vs Netherlands...
Man this is turning serious.
Some picture highlights:
Attempt of clearing the commotion
Second time. They actually stopped the comment flow...
The happystick movement
The chat has ever gone so quiet.. A first in OWC history
Is this the next Tienanmen Square incident?
Some picture highlights:
Attempt of clearing the commotion
Second time. They actually stopped the comment flow...
The happystick movement
The chat has ever gone so quiet.. A first in OWC history
Is this the next Tienanmen Square incident?
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
The way Loctav is acting is really cheapening the OWC imo
My god. Communism...fartownik wrote:
This is why I really liked last year's positioning of the tournament. It all went ever so smoothly.[ Joey ] wrote:
The way Loctav is acting is really cheapening the OWC imo
I don't know if you're having a bad day Loctav, but this time you committed a sin of power abuse.
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
You're sentenced to a lifetime in jail.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Chill, please
This is probably going too far for what Loctav said. It's too intense. Probably really stressed today.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I don't know if you're having a bad day Loctav, but this time you committed a sin of power abuse.
You literally threatened Fuxvanes with 2h silence for saying "chill". This is far beyond the proper way of managing a tournament.
In this case I'm inclined to really say it
Chill, please
Thanks
He wouldn't be the kind of person to do this, wow.
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
There will be another one. Did this kind of thing happen last year? I don't recall it happening last year.-Kamikaze- wrote:
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
Also serious question: will that loser bracket thing be on rest of world cups as well?
And for that question, probably.
it's twitch chat, what do you expect? it's just that the individuals modding the chat either weren't familiar with twitch as a platform or how to moderate larger channels. and ya, thread wipe inc-Kamikaze- wrote:
I'm expecting another wipeout in this thread soon
The chat was pretty retarded from my point of view, but those silences were dumb as well. You should be a bit more tolerant on jokes, honestly.
It was peaceful owc last year, so was mwc
This tournament is already taking its turn on the bad side...
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
Then.. what has changed this year?-Kamikaze- wrote:
It was peaceful owc last year, so was mwc
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
The way they are trying to moderate Twitch chat is horrid. Definitely driving people away. You'd think it was their first time ever on Twitch. The production of this has to be one of the worst I've ever seen for a gaming competition. I love osu, but this is just embarrassing. I'm not sure if osu actually wants to try to get bigger on the e-sports stage, but with stuff like this, it's going nowhere fast. If it doesn't care about that scene, then it definitely shows and I just need to lower expectations of production.
There were bans in mwc tho. I mean, WHOLE Candian 7K team got banned from it because of multi's. Also some teams didn't participate in any matches and there were issues with timezones and maps being too easy in groups (like 3,5* maps), but there wasn't even a tiny bit of dramas that are hereAthrun_Yamato wrote:
Oh right, most of the players got banned from the tournament, that's what happened...
Please stop using that word if you clearly have no idea what it means, lolAthrun_Yamato wrote:
Communism
It definitely seems like the mods have absolutely no idea how to moderate twitch chat. I eventually just left the stream because the smart mods decide the best way to fix everything is to silence the chat.
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
Heterozygous_old
OMG how rude of Netherlands not wishing Aus good luck!fartownik wrote:
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
I missed the first two matches, what were the results? And mp history links please? :>
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lolBauxe wrote:
OMG how rude of Netherlands not wishing Aus good luck!fartownik wrote:
I expect this post to be deleted but whatever, at least so many people can see this.
You say to stop using "communism" as an insult because it is offensive, but you use the term "cancer" improperly, and that can be very offensive to some peopleNashmun wrote:
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
You can now go back to where you came from, wherever you were for the whole tournament, because you're clearly not updated.Nashmun wrote:
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
But you still destroyed usSynchrostar wrote:
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lol
R9k mode prevents twitch chat from sending identical messages. Instantly solves spam. They aren't trying to moderate. This is just one giant power trip.
Nashmun wrote:
Same story every year. The same childs keep whining before the tournament even begin and keep whining until the tournament ends. yet they are still here every year, you threat every year but you never do anything. Just undertake your words, and don't play if you are unhappy, stop building unecessary drama everytime. If you think people can do whatever they want just because they are good players without facing any consequencies just make your own tournament where people can do whatever they like, say whatever they want and behave as diresrespectful and offensive as they want. The rules were clear from the beginning, if you don't agree with them just don't register...
And the twitch chat was being a huge cancer.
And by the way, you don't know what communism is, so stop spreading it like an insult or to imply you are facing a dictatorship. You also do not know what a dictatorship and your comparison is offensive and arrogant.
I'm just going to enjoy the rest of the matches from now and look forward to the other world cups when people are actually being civilized unlike here.
What a typical guy totally uninvolved in the tournament would say. Actually with additional bullshit.
"Don't play if you're unhappy" - Sad that we would've been banned if we decided to resign. This gives me an impression that you have hardly any idea about what caused the drama and therefore people like you shouldn't even open this thread.
Describing us as children (childs lol) despite probably being younger than many OWC players + the sheer fact of putting everyone into the same bag is as offensive.
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
tl;dr disappear
This is not communism, it's called dictatorship/autocracy.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
yeah we were mad and tired so we put our tryhard pants onBauxe wrote:
But you still destroyed usSynchrostar wrote:
you made us play at 11am, what did you expect lol
good luck in loser bracket HERE I SAID IT
If you look over the rules, it never said anything about silence = not being able to play. Just because Loctav is one of the moderators of the tournament, doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants when he feels like it.
Also, I think the 'children' in this thread just want to make the OWC better. Sure, spamming the chat may be just Twitch mannerisms taking over, but there is a valid point to make when you look at the way the 'silence gate' was handled.
Also, I think the 'children' in this thread just want to make the OWC better. Sure, spamming the chat may be just Twitch mannerisms taking over, but there is a valid point to make when you look at the way the 'silence gate' was handled.
As a matter of fact, yes, ik what is comunism.
Why I always bring up the word, because im still angry at the chinese communist party.
Don't think you can stop me saying that word.
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
Why I always bring up the word, because im still angry at the chinese communist party.
Don't think you can stop me saying that word.
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
There will be no response, the last 10 pages of the topic will be erased and we will continue the tournament in the same sweet manner. We're just talking here while we still can.Athrun_Yamato wrote:
And, I think we should lay it down. We'll hear Loctav's response first then we will see what will happen then.
There is no point on arguing publicly on this anymore. But don't assume things that are untrue, just because I don't talk a lot doesn't mean I know nothing and I followed the whole story. If you didn't understand that childs actually stood for the behaviour and not your age then there is nothing I can do anymore. If you still want to discuss about it just PM me but I don't think it really worth it.
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Tshemmp wrote:
This is not communism, it's called dictatorship.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
We're calling it communism because it reminds us of, for example, the times of Stalin who would order to murder anyone who would stand against him, no matter how harmless the opponent it would be.
MY FUCKING GOD I KNOW
I just explained that since Stalin was a part of communist party it reminds us of communism. He was really dictator and we all know this. (Officially he was :just: a General Secretary)
That's what it boils down to. I want to see the OWC succeed. But this is only going to ruin its reputation if it keeps going in this direction. It's going to get to the point where only die-hards will tune in. I see the potential for great entertainment value through osu competitions, but the way things are now is just one huge self-destruct button.
I guess, this is kinda hard, when you're not able to play for telling someone to chill. You should see it in the players perspective.Nashmun wrote:
Just enjoy the tournament and don't bring unecessary drama everytime something happen, that was actually my point even if my post seemed aggressive.
Oh man... I've never seen such a messy tournament. So much unnecessary drama.
I am not saying the way the tournament is managed is perfect, but was it worth it polluating the chat with insults and bring it to the forum with no constructive comments ? (I'm talking about this particular case, there were indeed constructive discussions in this thread).
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
i'm just here for the twitch bit though. i really do not understand why you would ever moderate twitch chat. the only reason when you need to clear and/or moderate is when shit is out of control. that was not the case here. not by miles. this was just a simple riot. let the fucking chat have their riot. that's what twitch is about. if you truly cannot have the backbone, sense of humor or just brain to comprehend these type of events that occur in the twitch chat, then fucking leave twitch. twitch is where fun is allowed. if you don't like fun, go host this shit on dailymotion.
Nashmun wrote:
I am not saying the way the tournament is managed is perfect, but was it worth it polluating the chat with insults and bring it to the forum with no constructive comments ? (I'm talking about this particular case, there were indeed constructive discussions in this thread).
Have you met twitch chat before, that should not come as a surprise. Also the heavy moderating is not helping with this issue.
Nashmun wrote:
And do people really think Loctav is just enjoying having power and ban people because he likes it ? Of course I understand the player point of view, being a world cup player myself, I'd be pissed too, but I would never takes this to this level.
Point is he overreacted, simple as this. The silence was in no way justified.
So much unnessesary drama coming up around that NL-Aus match.
From what i can tell mostly caused by a flawed organization pushing people into hurrying up in a very mean way. I'm not saying Loctav is the single reason here, i know why he pushes the players to hurry up, yet he is doing it the wrong way imo. There are options to be nice about it. If you are being nice you can mostly expect appropriate behaviour from your partner in conversations.
Still this may sound harsh, but i think a person who gets so abusive to players should not have the rights to ban or silence players, this is a thing to think about.
A total different thing is how the twitch chat is being handled. That approach is just straightup wrong from what i can tell. If you ban out emotes, names of players or unpleasant comments, that just causes more and more spam. People are not going to step down because they got timed out for a second, but they will instead try to fight authority, its just natural human nature.
I don't want to say to allow all spam, mods can certainly time out abusive spam or incredibly mean comments. But as it stands no humor is accepted by any moderation and that just lowers everyones fun. Mods and commentators dont have fun because people start to riot and spam, people rooting for their team dont have fun because chat gets ruined and they cant even put emotes after their comment.
OWC wants to appear like a "professional" tournament, but at the same time they have flawed rules like when a player DCs its his fault, even if i have seen on stream of players that they DCed from bancho without their internet dropping. Also the stream is heavily influences by lag issues which goes to show how stable the servers really are and no, this is not a twitch issue. It should be decided whether OWC is supposed to be "for fun" or full-on "competetive". Either way, changes should be made both in staff and in attitude of the organisation.
From what i can tell mostly caused by a flawed organization pushing people into hurrying up in a very mean way. I'm not saying Loctav is the single reason here, i know why he pushes the players to hurry up, yet he is doing it the wrong way imo. There are options to be nice about it. If you are being nice you can mostly expect appropriate behaviour from your partner in conversations.
Still this may sound harsh, but i think a person who gets so abusive to players should not have the rights to ban or silence players, this is a thing to think about.
A total different thing is how the twitch chat is being handled. That approach is just straightup wrong from what i can tell. If you ban out emotes, names of players or unpleasant comments, that just causes more and more spam. People are not going to step down because they got timed out for a second, but they will instead try to fight authority, its just natural human nature.
I don't want to say to allow all spam, mods can certainly time out abusive spam or incredibly mean comments. But as it stands no humor is accepted by any moderation and that just lowers everyones fun. Mods and commentators dont have fun because people start to riot and spam, people rooting for their team dont have fun because chat gets ruined and they cant even put emotes after their comment.
OWC wants to appear like a "professional" tournament, but at the same time they have flawed rules like when a player DCs its his fault, even if i have seen on stream of players that they DCed from bancho without their internet dropping. Also the stream is heavily influences by lag issues which goes to show how stable the servers really are and no, this is not a twitch issue. It should be decided whether OWC is supposed to be "for fun" or full-on "competetive". Either way, changes should be made both in staff and in attitude of the organisation.
Köttbullar!
SWEDEN YES
gg
Sweden confirmed for doping themselves with meatballs.Xytox wrote:
THE UPSET HAS BEEN DONE
Results are always added to wiki by the end of all matches
never the less:
never the less:
China 2 5 South Korea https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10507941
Australia 2 5 Netherlands https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10508932
Ukraine 5 1 Taiwan https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10509978
Sweden 5 3 Japan https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10510938
Poland France
Germany Russian Federation
United Kingdom Austria
Argentina United States
Topic Starter
Let me kick in to explain a few things:
Please consider that this tournament, for us, the managers, is very stressful, as in we get bombarded with a lot of questions, blames, issues, stuff (not to speak of the secondary business running parallely to the OWC), therefore it can result in getting a bit more hectic and heated up in the Match Rooms as we actually intend it to be.
For the case everyone talking about: Yes, I am sorry, it turned out like that. I understand the implication that this odd passive joke may not have warranted a silence under this circumstances, yet please understand that several people were already blaming me for silencing Happyjon, who pretty much got himself silenced by BanchoBot for spamming #minecraft (his fault, we can not revoke BanchoBot silences). Let's say, I was pretty much agitated people spamming me already with that stuff. This said, some rosters or players here intentionally or unintentionally eat up time without any clear purpose. They chitchat in the Match Rooms, delay the picks, do not listen to the management at all, they pretty much do what they want. Sure we start to put pressure then, by letting them only 1 minute time to decide their pick, to decide their substitute, to get ready (in case someone has to pee, he can say it beforehand and we can wait for another 2 mins or something, that's totally fine). But most delays are unneeded delays. Whilst the viewers are moaning about "why does it take so long", the players mostly just mess around. And then they tell me constantly "to chill" or to "calm down please", whereas they take literally 15 minutes to pick 1 map. Consider, that there are also other matches running that we want to stream, fully. From start to end. People being selfish enough to delay the match needlessly, because they don't care about the other matches (because we have to delay the runner-up ones sometimes for this slow behavior), I start to give time limits.
If people constantly make fun of more for that or start to still mess around, ignore the managements requests and then start to make passive-aggressive jokes, just because to be funny or to agitate me, then yes, I can overreact. Okay, it was an overreaction in this specific case. Luckily, Netherlands won anyways, so at least this was no loss directly.
Anyways, for the future: Please respect that the tournament is constructed around a tight schedule, especially to comfort viewers and players the most, considering all the time zones and masses of players antipiciating this event. Therefore, also respect that if we give you a request, you shall follow it. If we ask you to pick a map within 1 minute, do not take yourself 2 minutes. Do not discuss 5 minutes for exchanging people. Do not start to talk about your latest birthday party. Try to make the match go fluent and fast, so everyone is calm and happy. (refer to the Japan vs Sweden match). I know you all have a strategy or want to play trump cards. That's totally fine. But you have 1 week to prepare yourself on all maps, you also have all the time you need to prepare the maps you want to ban and all the possilble rosters you want to use for a specific map. You also could already plan ahead who uses what mod in a freemod pick. This is all planable. Every delay you can reduce from your side makes everything happier and fluent. Ultimatively, I revoked the silence from HappyStick and I apologize sincerely for the issue, yet beg for your understanding that this was a fault that does not solely lies on my side.
Whereas I promise to be more chilled and calm, polite and nice, I ask you all, players and viewers, to also be more disciplined and respectful towards the tournaments, its rules and the requests of the referee.
Thanks for your attention.
Please consider that this tournament, for us, the managers, is very stressful, as in we get bombarded with a lot of questions, blames, issues, stuff (not to speak of the secondary business running parallely to the OWC), therefore it can result in getting a bit more hectic and heated up in the Match Rooms as we actually intend it to be.
For the case everyone talking about: Yes, I am sorry, it turned out like that. I understand the implication that this odd passive joke may not have warranted a silence under this circumstances, yet please understand that several people were already blaming me for silencing Happyjon, who pretty much got himself silenced by BanchoBot for spamming #minecraft (his fault, we can not revoke BanchoBot silences). Let's say, I was pretty much agitated people spamming me already with that stuff. This said, some rosters or players here intentionally or unintentionally eat up time without any clear purpose. They chitchat in the Match Rooms, delay the picks, do not listen to the management at all, they pretty much do what they want. Sure we start to put pressure then, by letting them only 1 minute time to decide their pick, to decide their substitute, to get ready (in case someone has to pee, he can say it beforehand and we can wait for another 2 mins or something, that's totally fine). But most delays are unneeded delays. Whilst the viewers are moaning about "why does it take so long", the players mostly just mess around. And then they tell me constantly "to chill" or to "calm down please", whereas they take literally 15 minutes to pick 1 map. Consider, that there are also other matches running that we want to stream, fully. From start to end. People being selfish enough to delay the match needlessly, because they don't care about the other matches (because we have to delay the runner-up ones sometimes for this slow behavior), I start to give time limits.
If people constantly make fun of more for that or start to still mess around, ignore the managements requests and then start to make passive-aggressive jokes, just because to be funny or to agitate me, then yes, I can overreact. Okay, it was an overreaction in this specific case. Luckily, Netherlands won anyways, so at least this was no loss directly.
Anyways, for the future: Please respect that the tournament is constructed around a tight schedule, especially to comfort viewers and players the most, considering all the time zones and masses of players antipiciating this event. Therefore, also respect that if we give you a request, you shall follow it. If we ask you to pick a map within 1 minute, do not take yourself 2 minutes. Do not discuss 5 minutes for exchanging people. Do not start to talk about your latest birthday party. Try to make the match go fluent and fast, so everyone is calm and happy. (refer to the Japan vs Sweden match). I know you all have a strategy or want to play trump cards. That's totally fine. But you have 1 week to prepare yourself on all maps, you also have all the time you need to prepare the maps you want to ban and all the possilble rosters you want to use for a specific map. You also could already plan ahead who uses what mod in a freemod pick. This is all planable. Every delay you can reduce from your side makes everything happier and fluent. Ultimatively, I revoked the silence from HappyStick and I apologize sincerely for the issue, yet beg for your understanding that this was a fault that does not solely lies on my side.
Whereas I promise to be more chilled and calm, polite and nice, I ask you all, players and viewers, to also be more disciplined and respectful towards the tournaments, its rules and the requests of the referee.
Thanks for your attention.
Just something, but I do believe in some cases 1 minute might not really be enough, especially if the opposite team picks one of the maps you'd already planned, things dont work out as you thought, or similar, and you have to talk to your whole rooster through ingame-pm or something. While I don't really know how the chat has been, or how the matches have been going in general, but just throwing it out for what it's worth.
Topic Starter
You can use all language-specific channels on OWC bancho for that. They are existing and empty (in case PM is too complicated). But yeh, well, even if we say 1 minute, they usually just need 20 seconds (average). When someone surpasses the 1 minute, I tend to poke them again, finally ending up at 2 minutes, anyways. We mostly only give the cap for rosters being known for taking unnecessary time anyways.CXu wrote:
Just something, but I do believe in some cases 1 minute might not really be enough, especially if the opposite team picks one of the maps you'd already planned, things dont work out as you thought, or similar, and you have to talk to your whole rooster through ingame-pm or something. While I don't really know how the chat has been, or how the matches have been going in general, but just throwing it out for what it's worth.
I just want to say that I really appreciate your answer Loctav and that you have my respect.
I can respect your point of view and I will accept
While I respect the response and apology, it doesn't really change the fact that the staff team's first reaction to people getting (justifiably) pissed off by this was to go "oh shit, we better silence and ban anyone who even mentions it". I understand that many of these were rescinded, but that's still an awful reaction to anyone simply bringing up a concern they have, and the issue is that it happened at all.
Sorry loctav but you're failing to prove yourself as a mod who can handle this job time and time again. it is so sad to see that the only way you handle things is by silencing people. use a better method that can maybe gain some respect for you because right now, no one has any for you.
"Luckily Netherlands won anyways" <-- are you serious? think about this quote
you're right. it is very lucky netherlands won because if they lost because the shitstorm would be 50x greater.
Im actually going to post this because this is absolutely disgusting behaviour for a mod. just such a childish way of handling things.
*I understand that it must be unbelievably stressful from the feedback of the community (even myself) but you're just not allowed to do this. its nothing more than abusing your power. Im sure its just plain frustrating when people dont listen to you but you need to think about your actions and what consequences may come from them. please. please.
"Luckily Netherlands won anyways" <-- are you serious? think about this quote
you're right. it is very lucky netherlands won because if they lost because the shitstorm would be 50x greater.
Im actually going to post this because this is absolutely disgusting behaviour for a mod. just such a childish way of handling things.
*I understand that it must be unbelievably stressful from the feedback of the community (even myself) but you're just not allowed to do this. its nothing more than abusing your power. Im sure its just plain frustrating when people dont listen to you but you need to think about your actions and what consequences may come from them. please. please.
First of all, thanks for the reply, Loctav! Really appreciate it.
But I can see why community is upset at the way the tournament is ran.
I won't go over the multi-account and OWC-ban because it's been done to death already and if Eph's word is worth anything then it will be handled differently in the next OWC's (if they happen, that is).
Another issue you addresed already, needless silences in the lobby and barring from further play. As long as you tone it down and 'chill', I think it should get better. Try to be friendlier with players, if the only memories they have from the tournament is silences and the war of community vs staff then players won't want to play in the next OWC's and the community won't want to support it any further.
Now for the issues that I don't think have been addresed:
Tone down the twitch chat moderation, come on. It's twitch chat, you cannot expect 100% positive feedback and friendly discussion. Allow memes, emotes, don't blacklist words (Cookiezi). Allow the chat to have some fun, if they start spamming, laugh at it, they'll stop in a few minutes. There won't be riots if you do stuff properly. Getting on popular streamer's bad side can't end with anything else than the death of the chat.
The biggest problem I have is censorship and shuffling all the problems under the rug. Trying to make the tournament look good while being bad. The casters don't mention any bancho problems or players getting barred from play. "What a surprise! Taiwan was so good last year and now they lost vs Ukraine!", suure, I wonder why. Happystick obviously disconnected because of Bancho's fault, looks obvious enough to anyone who watched his stream, and you told him to shut down any net applications/the stream to fix it. Fartownik got perma banned from osulive chat because he said it was bancho's fault that Happystick dc'd. The community appreciates transparency.
Cheers.
But I can see why community is upset at the way the tournament is ran.
I won't go over the multi-account and OWC-ban because it's been done to death already and if Eph's word is worth anything then it will be handled differently in the next OWC's (if they happen, that is).
Another issue you addresed already, needless silences in the lobby and barring from further play. As long as you tone it down and 'chill', I think it should get better. Try to be friendlier with players, if the only memories they have from the tournament is silences and the war of community vs staff then players won't want to play in the next OWC's and the community won't want to support it any further.
Now for the issues that I don't think have been addresed:
Tone down the twitch chat moderation, come on. It's twitch chat, you cannot expect 100% positive feedback and friendly discussion. Allow memes, emotes, don't blacklist words (Cookiezi). Allow the chat to have some fun, if they start spamming, laugh at it, they'll stop in a few minutes. There won't be riots if you do stuff properly. Getting on popular streamer's bad side can't end with anything else than the death of the chat.
The biggest problem I have is censorship and shuffling all the problems under the rug. Trying to make the tournament look good while being bad. The casters don't mention any bancho problems or players getting barred from play. "What a surprise! Taiwan was so good last year and now they lost vs Ukraine!", suure, I wonder why. Happystick obviously disconnected because of Bancho's fault, looks obvious enough to anyone who watched his stream, and you told him to shut down any net applications/the stream to fix it. Fartownik got perma banned from osulive chat because he said it was bancho's fault that Happystick dc'd. The community appreciates transparency.
Cheers.
I pretty much agree with what Welil states here.
There are just a lot of unadressed issues here, even with that apology from Loctav.
By the way isn't it an option to just tell people to speed up in a nicer way than just pushing timelimits?
If you're getting told you have a minute to decide, you can pretty much only do a snap decision after 3 seconds. Its not like you can really discuss anything because you put the player in a pressured situation.
The better way in my opinion is to write stuff like: "guys can you speed up, the viewers are waiting." and such.
This way people will speed up (unless they are purposely mean) and they dont get pressured more than nescessary.
The point about twitch chat/censorship has already been made, but also try taking it into account, since it really lowers enjoyment a lot to know that stuff gets hidden/ you cant express your opinion properly in a livechat.
There are just a lot of unadressed issues here, even with that apology from Loctav.
By the way isn't it an option to just tell people to speed up in a nicer way than just pushing timelimits?
If you're getting told you have a minute to decide, you can pretty much only do a snap decision after 3 seconds. Its not like you can really discuss anything because you put the player in a pressured situation.
The better way in my opinion is to write stuff like: "guys can you speed up, the viewers are waiting." and such.
This way people will speed up (unless they are purposely mean) and they dont get pressured more than nescessary.
The point about twitch chat/censorship has already been made, but also try taking it into account, since it really lowers enjoyment a lot to know that stuff gets hidden/ you cant express your opinion properly in a livechat.
What Cola said, I think it would leave a better taste for both sides if you said something like "Hurry guys, please. We're tight on schedule". Or "Guys, let's stay respectful" instead of "If you tell me to chill one more time I'll silence you".
haha you have no idea how stressful it is to handle a tournament do you..Welil wrote:
What Cola said, I think it would leave a better taste for both sides if you said something like "Hurry guys, please. We're tight on schedule". Or "Guys, let's stay respectful" instead of "If you tell me to chill one more time I'll silence you".
Stressful or not, its always cleaner to try a nice solution before throwing around with threats.-Ryuujii- wrote:
haha you have no idea how stressful it is to handle a tournament do you..Welil wrote:
What Cola said, I think it would leave a better taste for both sides if you said something like "Hurry guys, please. We're tight on schedule". Or "Guys, let's stay respectful" instead of "If you tell me to chill one more time I'll silence you".
And you think they haven't tried? The only reason why things boil down the way they do is because being nice doesn't work out the first time. Throwing around idealism in a setting like this will not work often.Cola wrote:
Stressful or not, its always cleaner to try a nice solution before throwing around with threats.
All of this 'Disconnects shouldn't count and should replay' is all well and good but let's say that a team is doing shit and one player, regardless of anyone else on the team, unplugs his router so a restart happens. Not only is this cheating, and somewhat unfair, it wastes everyone's time.
If there was some sort of limit on it, like 'You can have 3 restarts per match if a player disconnects' then that may help the problem. However, let's say that one or two players unplug their routers to get a restart, then someone legit disconnects. It's the same problem, but somewhat worse.
If there was some sort of limit on it, like 'You can have 3 restarts per match if a player disconnects' then that may help the problem. However, let's say that one or two players unplug their routers to get a restart, then someone legit disconnects. It's the same problem, but somewhat worse.
@ryuujii and whoever bothers to read this
There are better methods that dont result in diminishing every bit of respect every OWC fan has for you and effectively getting the entire community to hate you.
and what Welil and Cola said is one of them. talk with the players and try to be lenient and 'nice' instead of forcefully asserting your dominance and censoring every single person who dares talk about it. What on earth do you even gain from doing that.
Twitch Chat
the strategy is to suppress the voice of thousands of people for "spamming" and when you set them free, you immediately suppress them again because the pressure released came out too strong. like ???? what are you even doing???? what Welil wrote about twitch chat was completely on point and I say good job! thats exactly how it should be done.
and handling a tournament is stressful, but handling a tournament is even more stressful when everyone hates or is flaming at you and your co-workers (mainly your fault to begin with) but that is still no reason to act childish. how Loctav argued in my last post is exactly how a Minecraft Admin would do it. pathetic. shows unprofessional-ism when they tried to make this tournament overly professional.
i'll laugh if this gets removed because it only proves my point which I made in my last post. :3 but I see no reason why it should.
this is my last post ill make on this whole topic. dont worry. my discussion ends here. : )
There are better methods that dont result in diminishing every bit of respect every OWC fan has for you and effectively getting the entire community to hate you.
and what Welil and Cola said is one of them. talk with the players and try to be lenient and 'nice' instead of forcefully asserting your dominance and censoring every single person who dares talk about it. What on earth do you even gain from doing that.
Twitch Chat
the strategy is to suppress the voice of thousands of people for "spamming" and when you set them free, you immediately suppress them again because the pressure released came out too strong. like ???? what are you even doing???? what Welil wrote about twitch chat was completely on point and I say good job! thats exactly how it should be done.
and handling a tournament is stressful, but handling a tournament is even more stressful when everyone hates or is flaming at you and your co-workers (mainly your fault to begin with) but that is still no reason to act childish. how Loctav argued in my last post is exactly how a Minecraft Admin would do it. pathetic. shows unprofessional-ism when they tried to make this tournament overly professional.
i'll laugh if this gets removed because it only proves my point which I made in my last post. :3 but I see no reason why it should.
this is my last post ill make on this whole topic. dont worry. my discussion ends here. : )
Blaming the staff when the players are acting like 12-year olds even when the schedules are tight will get you absolutely nowhere.Makan1 wrote:
@ryuujii and whoever bothers to read this
There are better methods that dont result in diminishing every bit of respect every OWC fan has for you and effectively getting the entire community to hate you.
and what Welil and Cola said is one of them. talk with the players and try to be lenient and 'nice' instead of forcefully asserting your dominance and censoring every single person who dares talk about it. What on earth do you even gain from doing that.
Twitch Chat
the strategy is to suppress the voice of thousands of people for "spamming" and when you set them free, you immediately suppress them again because the pressure released came out too strong. like ???? what are you even doing???? what Welil wrote about twitch chat was completely on point and I say good job! thats exactly how it should be done.
and handling a tournament is stressful, but handling a tournament is even more stressful when everyone hates or is flaming at you and your co-workers (mainly your fault to begin with) but that is still no reason to act childish. how Loctav argued in my last post is exactly how a Minecraft Admin would do it. pathetic. shows unprofessional-ism when they tried to make this tournament overly professional.
i'll laugh if this gets removed because it only proves my point which I made in my last post. :3 but I see no reason why it should.
this is my last post ill make on this whole topic. dont worry. my discussion ends here. : )
Try looking at this from the staff's perspective.
And completely ignoring all suggestions in the idealism will lead to things never changing.Lust wrote:
And you think they haven't tried? The only reason why things boil down the way they do is because being nice doesn't work out the first time. Throwing around idealism in a setting like this will not work often.Cola wrote:
Stressful or not, its always cleaner to try a nice solution before throwing around with threats.
The attitude from the administration is that of a spoiled 16 year old girl. Nothing is their fault and everyone should change to suit their preferred way of running things. We've gotten an apology for an outburst. That's it. Everything else has been excuses. Justification for rash actions is not what is needed. The fact they even try to justify the shitstorm going on speaks volumes. From refusing to take blame for awful Bancho connectivity, to twitch chat moderation, to player management, this has been a dumpster fire.
If a consumer wants a product, but the product doesn't perform its duty, the consumer will call the manufacturer for an explanation. If the only explanation they get is excuses for the broken product, why would the consumer ever go back to that company for anything ever again? It's the exact same concept here. Stop making excuses for yourselves and fix your product.
Schedules are only tight for the group stages. You have a lot more breathing space when you come to the direct elimination stages.Pannari wrote:
Blaming the staff when the players are acting like 12-year olds even when the schedules are tight will get you absolutely nowhere.
Try looking at this from the staff's perspective.
This. There was a 4 hour break between Japan/Sweden and Poland/France. There's nothing tight about that schedule.Gigo wrote:
Schedules are only tight for the group stages. You have a lot more breathing space when you come to the direct elimination stages.Pannari wrote:
Blaming the staff when the players are acting like 12-year olds even when the schedules are tight will get you absolutely nowhere.
Try looking at this from the staff's perspective.
FIRETRUCK LEWANDOSKI, BENZEMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER ;w;
RIP France ;w;
GG Poland.
RIP France ;w;
GG Poland.
Can anyone explain me this:
Tom SS 1447 combo. I didn't SS but I have more combo and more score than him. Mh. Wat xD Bug?
Tom SS 1447 combo. I didn't SS but I have more combo and more score than him. Mh. Wat xD Bug?
Guess it's a bug or something like that, look at me and sayo here for example.
Andrea wrote:
Guess it's a bug or something like that, look at me and sayo here for example.
Uh okay.
EDIT: LOL YALES, maybe?
EDIT: LOL YALES, maybe?
I demand some special investigation into these suspicious scores, h4XX0rz are everywhere
Also GG France
Also GG France
Word to describe the queen right now:
wreck
verb
= destroy, break, total (slang), smash, ruin, devastate, mar, shatter, spoil, demolish, sabotage, trash (slang), ravage, dash to pieces, kennet (Australian, slang), jeff (Australian, slang) • Vandals wrecked the garden.
wreck
verb
= destroy, break, total (slang), smash, ruin, devastate, mar, shatter, spoil, demolish, sabotage, trash (slang), ravage, dash to pieces, kennet (Australian, slang), jeff (Australian, slang) • Vandals wrecked the garden.
Teams play Darude - Sandstorm for warm-up, chat goes wild. What do the moderators do? Ban random people who say 'Dududu' and then killing the hype by turning on sub-mode again.
Honestly, maybe there needs to be a readjustment of the moderators on the osulive channel after today? People who can tell the difference between 'shitty spam' and 'having a Twitch chat experience' would be nice for next week.
Honestly, maybe there needs to be a readjustment of the moderators on the osulive channel after today? People who can tell the difference between 'shitty spam' and 'having a Twitch chat experience' would be nice for next week.
Whoever was on osulive said that theyre considering to "abandon" the twitchchat.
Basically, they'll let the chat do whatever they want to do but they also dont read questions etc from there.
Basically, they'll let the chat do whatever they want to do but they also dont read questions etc from there.
99% of the timeouts in the Twitch chat are done by a bot, and the sub-only was a mistake that will hopefully not happen again.
I do not think abandoning twitch chat is a solution either though. I still think they need to interact somehow, which should be possible, considering some streamers interact with the members who ask questions, by seeing through the spam posts and insults.
@Xytox, yes, the bans are mostly automatic, but that's because the moderators put in certain phrases/words that will automatically time people out.
@Xytox, yes, the bans are mostly automatic, but that's because the moderators put in certain phrases/words that will automatically time people out.
Can someone provide a link to match between Sweden and Japan? Or at least explain what the hell happend there for Japan to loose?
They got rekt.Novalogic wrote:
Can someone provide a link to match between Sweden and Japan? Or at least explain what the hell happend there for Japan to loose?
shrekt*fartownik wrote:
They got rekt.Novalogic wrote:
Can someone provide a link to match between Sweden and Japan? Or at least explain what the hell happend there for Japan to loose?