TheVileOne wrote:

PP should also reward for effort too and it already does

haha, no. HR and DT scores on high AR maps doesn't even give anything at all atm.

As said already, DT HR scores ain't worth nothing otherwise I am pretty satisfied

GO BERZERK IS THE HARDEST MAP... 2 RETIRES TOP PP.. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH PPV2

shush

Sabi wrote:

GO BERZERK IS THE HARDEST MAP... 2 RETIRES TOP PP.. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH PPV2

I wonder when go berzerk will be removed from there

eldnl wrote:

Sabi wrote:

GO BERZERK IS THE HARDEST MAP... 2 RETIRES TOP PP.. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH PPV2

I wonder when go berzerk will be removed from there

Never because he would have to revamp the system, the system is based on CTB maps and back and forth jumps and AR8 for some reason, tho everything else is correct and how HD/HR and even DT is weighed the only thing he really needs to change is some maps.. idk how to calculate the formula tho, a good example is distorted love song or even kemu life game, they are worth nothing even tho they should be worth 250+ so.. the system right now is good but not perfect, good luck lol.

Might as well help out by providing patterns other than back and forth jumps that make CTB hard.

Like this one

Why is https://osu.ppy.sh/b/66246?m=2 worth the same amount of pp as https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29691 ?

I think it's another example of large but easy jumps awarding too much. Plus the pace of With a Dance Number is faster. You have hard jumps and you need to be constantly dashing to keep pace. This makes it more likely to miss a fruit. You can basically take your time in the Basshunter map. Even if the jumps are larger, you have more time to prepare for them. There are much more places to break combo in With a Dance Number.

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/47540

I think Impossible on this is either underrated (only worth 145 pp for FC) or I just have seen maps that are overrated that are worth more. This is why chain jumps should be considered more difficult than each jump considered individually.

TheVileOne wrote:

Might as well help out by providing patterns other than back and forth jumps that make CTB hard.

Like this one

SPOILER

Why is https://osu.ppy.sh/b/66246?m=2 worth the same amount of pp as https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29691 ?

I think it's another example of large but easy jumps awarding too much. Plus the pace of With a Dance Number is faster. You have hard jumps and you need to be constantly dashing to keep pace. This makes it more likely to miss a fruit. You can basically take your time in the Basshunter map. Even if the jumps are larger, you have more time to prepare for them. There are much more places to break combo in With a Dance Number.

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/47540

I think Impossible on this is either underrated (only worth 145 pp for FC) or I just have seen maps that are overrated that are worth more. This is why chain jumps should be considered more difficult than each jump considered individually.

The ride never ends...

I don't know what to think about this.

When you SS airman on halftime you got 330 pp
When you got S (no fc + the score is superior than SS halftime ) airman on none you got 170 pp
Thats the problem : none > halftime and the pp system doesn't understand this logic

why does dt gives more pp than hr?

Some examples would be cool,u know

.

DeathXHunter wrote:

Some examples would be cool,u know

any map, just take a look ...
edit: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/246789&m=2

go berzerk is the hardest map!

YERTI wrote:

go berzerk is the hardest map!

someone gets it

dt so broken https://osu.ppy.sh/b/36670?m=2#

I don't think anything is ever going to get done about it

eldnl wrote:

dt so broken https://osu.ppy.sh/b/36670?m=2#

HT is broken...

edge to edge jump is overrated.

boomngong wrote:

edge to edge jump is overrated.

Yes, but this is still a hard pattern for a lot of players. Once you can do them they seem easy, but before that they seem impossible.

DeathXHunter wrote:

Some examples would be cool,u know

ok


-Ttobas- https://osu.ppy.sh/b/169748?m=2 293 PP DT Only

-Exgon- https://osu.ppy.sh/b/169748?m=2 250 PP HD/HR

hmmm, I have a question for the CtB players. Do you think droplets are underrated ?

yes they are

Early in discussion we tried to make sure droplets didn't get weighted too heavily, and well.... I guess they listened a little too well.

Either way I don't think pp is getting any more fixes as Tom hasn't made a single post in here since March.

droplets have feelings too... meanies.

No more update ppv2? Then what is this topic used for?

It's for complaining about how broken a system is when it would be better off removed entirely.

Since sliders are ignored in standard algorithm, I would assume they are ignored in this algorithm too. I don't agree with having the droplets have any serious consequence on the pp gained from a map unless that map is considered very difficult to catch a good amount of the droplets. It certainly shouldn't override combo for example. Maybe a slight adjustment to accuracy for droplet heavy maps.

It would be hard to calculate how hard a map is to catch all the droplets. The algorithm would be similar in complexity as the one required to accuracy define the difficulty that sliders provide in standard.

If this is added, I expect plate walking to affect the difficulty rating as well. Catching all the droplets and platewalking require similar skills.

Zak wrote:

Early in discussion we tried to make sure droplets didn't get weighted too heavily, and well.... I guess they listened a little too well.

Either way I don't think pp is getting any more fixes as Tom hasn't made a single post in here since March.

I didn't post, since I didn't have anything to say. I agree with the problems you mentioned and I believe I stated that already. Jump difficulty definitely needs a fix for hyperdashes, and difficulty scaling in general is a bit weird, compared to the other modes.

The main reason you don't hear much from me, is that I am very busy with all kinds of things atm and can't really spare time for osu!. There will be some things happening starting June, but the priorities lie at finishing the ingame star-rating and then adding mod-specific highscores to stop people from losing their pp when using mods. I'll look into CtB as soon as I can.

TheVileOne wrote:

Since sliders are ignored in standard algorithm, I would assume they are ignored in this algorithm too.

Where did you take that information from? It's wrong, sliders are considered in standard, and so are droplets in CtB.

TheVileOne wrote:

I don't agree with having the droplets have any serious consequence on the pp gained from a map unless that map is considered very difficult to catch a good amount of the droplets. It certainly shouldn't override combo for example. Maybe a slight adjustment to accuracy for droplet heavy maps.

It would be hard to calculate how hard a map is to catch all the droplets. The algorithm would be similar in complexity as the one required to accuracy define the difficulty that sliders provide in standard.

If this is added, I expect plate walking to affect the difficulty rating as well. Catching all the droplets and platewalking require similar skills.

What do you mean by platewalking?

Tom94 wrote:

What do you mean by platewalking?

This is platewalking

Kingkevin30 wrote:

This is platewalking

Thanks, I know it is hard and completely underrated at the moment - but didn't know what it was called.

Tom94 wrote:

Kingkevin30 wrote:

This is platewalking

Thanks, I know it is hard and completely underrated at the moment - but didn't know what it was called.

Thanks for taking time out of your day to help out the CTB Community, I know you don't play CTB so creating a formula for PP Gain on CTB must be very tough, but platewalking is indeed hard and takes very good timing and accuracy, also you should calculate maps like Distorted Love Song and Cheshire,s Dance a lot more, getting less than 150 PP for a AR10 stream map is kind of absurd. I'm not really sure how you would create a formula to do that? so best of luck I guess, the only way I can think of is to calculate the hard parts in a map sort of like "Platewalking" Or "Back and forth jumps" Like what you did etc.


Best of luck.

Unlike osu! standard, AR is much more important in CTB. You have limited movement speed. You can't just move the catcher faster if you have a delayed reaction. Well you can, but at least for me a lot of CTB is muscle memory and if you have to adjust on the fly it gets a lot less consistent, especially at higher ARs.

Kingkevin30 wrote:

Tom94 wrote:

What do you mean by platewalking?

This is platewalking

why me, shame

eldnl wrote:

Kingkevin30 wrote:

This is platewalking

why me, shame

well...

Well I really like this system it lets new players join without too much pressure, and allows them to play with a sense of importance on their part. Also just so we are clear..... I'm going straight for the number 1 spot. in due time my friends. I play this more than i play Xbox one.

khdragon260 wrote:

Well I really like this system it lets new players join without too much pressure, and allows them to play with a sense of importance on their part. Also just so we are clear..... I'm going straight for the number 1 spot. in due time my friends. I play this more than i play Xbox one.

That is a sad life.

-Ryuujii- wrote:

khdragon260 wrote:

Well I really like this system it lets new players join without too much pressure, and allows them to play with a sense of importance on their part. Also just so we are clear..... I'm going straight for the number 1 spot. in due time my friends. I play this more than i play Xbox one.

That is a sad life.

Pretending other players aren't just as full of themselves? Hah. Good one.

Pretending other players aren't just as full of themselves? Hah. Good one.[/quote]

WOW that really is, a sad life, 10/10 best person whom knows all, grace me with your knowledge : 3

understand me what means that, please Kappa

-Ryuujii- wrote:

understand me what means that, please Kappa

You troll : )

khdragon260 wrote:

Well I really like this system it lets new players join without too much pressure, and allows them to play with a sense of importance on their part. Also just so we are clear..... I'm going straight for the number 1 spot. in due time my friends. I play this more than i play Xbox one.

hey it's me LOL hi twin


Just kidding.

Your going to get eaten alive, just like me if you start talking like that.

khdragon260 wrote:

Well I really like this system it lets new players join without too much pressure, and allows them to play with a sense of importance on their part. Also just so we are clear..... I'm going straight for the number 1 spot. in due time my friends. I play this more than i play Xbox one.

It's good to have ambition at any rate.

Literally free pp in this map (the Easy!)

I don't know what happens to easier songs, but it obviously overrates some of them to ridiculous amounts. The few jumps that require dashing are 1/1 at 120 BPM. These notes are spaced 500 ms which is more than enough to catch them. The fact that they are across the screen does not make them hard, because they are spaced in the timeline and it's only one part of the map that has this. It was so easy to play that I didn't want to add a third mod to it, because it would give me a ton more pp than it should be worth.



Three mods so OP.

TheVileOne wrote:

Literally free pp in this map (the Easy!)

I don't know what happens to easier songs, but it obviously overrates some of them to ridiculous amounts. The few jumps that require dashing are 1/1 at 120 BPM. These notes are spaced 500 ms which is more than enough to catch them. The fact that they are across the screen does not make them hard, because they are spaced in the timeline and it's only one part of the map that has this. It was so easy to play that I didn't want to add a third mod to it, because it would give me a ton more pp than it should be worth.



Three mods so OP.

There are many "Easy/Normal diff PP Maps"..
here are some interesting ones, maybe that will help finding out what kind of pp-base rating would be right for them.
Scooter - And No Matches {Hop!}
Caramell - Caramelldansen {Normal}
Mario Tennis 64 - Peach's Secret Court {Set Point}
Nobuo Uematsu - You're Not Alone {Normal}
Lin-G - I Want You {Normal}
2pm - Tetris {Level 3}

It's time I make a very lengthy post again.

Stats for CtB:
Spacing difficulty (Dist)
This stat is an alpha of the jump difficulties. Each note has a difficulty assigned to it based on it's placement.
Since CtB is a constantly moving game, it's not just based on the distances between each fruit, but also the leading fruit. So, each fruit has their set difficulty to get to the next fruit, with an addition of the difficulty from the previous fruit's difficulty.
Control action speed (Speed)
Speed is the amount of rigorous hand movement and coordination required to catch the fruits in addition to the BPM.
Accuracy of movement required (Acc)
This is determined by the circle size, as well as the sliders involved. Not a big stat but can be more powerful with wild sliders and sliders going beyond walking speed as well as fruits getting very small.
Approach rate difficulty (App)
Higher AR rates are more difficult in terms of difficulty and are based on the time the fruits are on screen. AR11 is 1.5x more difficult than AR10.

Mods
and how they affect the game and difficulty.

Difficulty Increase

Hidden
This mod provides less visibility. In this case, it makes it harder to be accurate with the fruits, and requires a little more timing ability. Difficult jumps become increasingly harder. This isn't too much of a difficulty increase but it's enough to be very notable in jumpy maps. Low approach rates also make this mod a tiny bit more difficult because of how much more memorization is required. It becomes only slightly less difficult with higher and approach rates.
Slight boost to:
+Acc
Good boost to:
+Dist (Depends on AR a little too)

DoubleTime
This mod provides increased beatmap speed. This also means increased approach rate, increased need of control, and increased need for jump movement. This is the more difficult modifier of the two 1.06x score increases. This can also increase little slow streams into something more difficult.
Slight boost to:
+Acc
Good boost to:
+Dist
+App
Big boost to:
+Speed

HardRock
Also popular among players for the instant ticket to AR9.8 and AR10. It makes the fruits smaller and increases the approach rate where it can be increased. It makes it more difficult to get a good accuracy as well. It also scrambles the fruits a little, so the distance difficulty should be calculated as if the map were scrambled up with HardRock.
Good boost to:
+Dist
+App (Depends on the AR, it maxes at AR10)
Big boost to:
+Acc

Flashlight
Still the most powerful of the 1.12x score mods, is Flashlight. It provides limited visibility, including difficulty in seeing large jumps and getting good accuracy. It makes approach shorter because of the limited visibility above, as well.
Good boost to:
+Acc
Big boost to:
+App
+Dist

Difficulty Decrease

NoFail
his mod does nothing except prevent you from failing. No stat change whatsoever.

Easy
This modifier tones down the stats of the map, but not the notes. this includes reduced difficulty on needing to aim at jumps, the accuracy involved, and the approach rate. When joined with hidden, this increases the difficulty of aiming a little when AR is very low.
Slight decrease to:
-Dist (Except when AR gets low when used with hidden)
Good decrease to:
-Acc
Big decrease to:
-App

HalfTime
also a powerful difficulty reduction mod in it's own speculation. It reducdes speed as well as the approach rate and hit aim requirement a little, being the exact opposite of DoubleTime.
Slight decrease to:
-Acc
Good decrease to:
-Dist
-App
Big decrease to:
-Speed

I hope this helps you. In a lot of cases, you can't just use a % change for maps when using mods. It just doesn't work, with how diverse maps are.

I also think that my definition on jump distance here might rectify the "Long jumps being uber powerful" thing. In some cases they are though (Like Wild eyes and Go Berzerk, they have those jumps all over)

I'm losing rank because of improving songs? K den

i just noticed.. some mod combinations are haaarshly underrated, i mean the amount of pp from this "easy" HR+HD record is really way to high in comparison to the other Mod combinations

I don't really care about the ranking system to begin with. In my opinion, growth is never AS accurate or weighed properly by scripts and whatever is used in creating a natural ranking system. But, that's just me. As for the community, I wouldn't mind a little revamping and work did on the ranking system. I think it could be a bit more redefined and more user-friendly.

Is there any way to hide/remove scores? Honestly, i got a new top rank that is even more broken than the old one from Still Alive, who'd have guessed that this is even possible? I dont want those PPs, i dont deseve them.


Its a 6.13 star map that plays like some 4 star map, i was able to FC it with ease. Could HR it too but id rather not...

Anyways, i theres some correlation with Still alive, high circle size and 1/4 closs screen jumps.

Most people are aware of maps like the giving extreme amounts of pp, it hasn't been fixed yet, and I doubt it will be any time soon.

rip

After easy map giving tons of pp there are hard map giving nothing. I love ppv2.

VOTE for go berzerk best map 2014!..wait

So when nurf patch pp amount of HT?

When Will FL get nurfed?

-PM- wrote:

So when nurf patch pp amount of HT?

Yukiteru Amano wrote:

When Will FL get nurfed?

Never

Zak wrote:

-PM- wrote:

So when nurf patch pp amount of HT?

Yukiteru Amano wrote:

When Will FL get nurfed?

Never

I see nothing wrong with FL. It's a very difficult mod and totally worth the performance if you pull it off (and the points too)

As for HT, there's going to be a speed factor implemented for CtB pp so you might see that getting calculated much like it does with doubletime.

Full mode SS gives less PP than HD HR FL. (Not weighet pp)
Map: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/94942?m=2
Screenshot: http://puu.sh/bZjRa/f54033b86e.jpg
#1 got 240
I got 255

follon wrote:

Full mode SS gives less PP than HD HR FL. (Not weighet pp)
Map: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/94942?m=2
Screenshot: http://puu.sh/bZjRa/f54033b86e.jpg
#1 got 240
I got 255

wow...that is really dumb xD, i just checked to with Osu!Trainer, you're right..

Yukiteru Amano wrote:

When Will FL get nurfed?

PLS yuki, FL on ar8+ needs to be boosted imo, there are less FL players now than like 4 years ago makes me sad. Also I think EZ+FL should be worth 1.00x at the least hue

imo
1. you people do realize yuki's reply about fl is just a sarcasm to the previous post right?
2. there are reasons why there are less fl player nowadays and that is not just because it gives less of this bullshit points
3. this bullshit points already have tons of proof that it is broken and even (much) worse than the previous one, at least for now
4. i don't think it would be that simple to fix all of those crap anytime soon, especially when tom seems pretty much busy with other stuffs as well
5. if you want this to get resolved quickly, try playing any maps you like and enjoy this game mode the way it is or go away/play other games... pretty much the best solution

- Rii - wrote:

imo
1. you people do realize yuki's reply about fl is just a sarcasm to the previous post right?
2. there are reasons why there are less fl player nowadays and that is not just because it gives less of this bullshit points
3. this bullshit points already have tons of proof that it is broken and even (much) worse than the previous one, at least for now
4. i don't think it would be that simple to fix all of those crap anytime soon, especially when tom seems pretty much busy with other stuffs as well
5. if you want this to get resolved quickly, try playing any maps you like and enjoy this game mode the way it is or go away/play other games... pretty much the best solution

Nuh-uh, playing other games won't have any effect to this.

alxnr wrote:

Nuh-uh, playing other games won't have any effect to this.

so you think by saying that will give any effect to this?

- Rii - wrote:

so you think by saying that will give any effect to this?

Of course... not.

Going to be honest and say there's probably not much more to discuss here until Tom comes back to work on CtB's pp system and rework it as we've covered almost everything that can be right now. So it's probably best to let it sit here instead of arguing until then.

Or just remove pp, that works too.

Agree.

Sorry, couldn't resist that. I hope Tom gets back into this soon.

hi

I don't really know about pp ranking system in CtB. But, different mode, different difficulty. Example, AR9HDDT is more difficult than AR9HDHR, and for some map with many jumps (and because that the pp's map is overhigh) I think it's a part of CtB difficulty. CtB difficulty not only HyperJumps, but Mod, AR, CS, rapid stream, weird pattern, etc are must be considered to pp's map, not just jumps. That's my opinion.

And for me, with pp ranking (although it's broken), It's motivated me to improve my skill. So, I disagree with no-pp system ranking.

But keep play and enjoy the game, the music, and the map.

uhhhhhh the change is slowly comming *.* (thats a screen of the changelog of the cutting edge version)

I play at least Hard difficulty and Hidden never turn off. Over the past few days received 2 PP. Where are my PP, developers?

P.S. Oh, and I lost about 200 places these days.

You are not entitled to pp because you play Hard diff's with Hidden. If it bothers you that much player harder maps.

Zak wrote:

You are not entitled to pp because you play Hard diff's with Hidden. If it bothers you that much player harder maps.

Hard - is the minimum. Often Insane or something like that. I get into the top 50 on the highest difficulty. Let the map is not the most difficult in the game, but its better than I have been only 20-40 people. Do not people deserve some PP? It is illogical and unfair. In the good old days was only Ranked Score, fair and clear.

[ZooM] wrote:

Zak wrote:

You are not entitled to pp because you play Hard diff's with Hidden. If it bothers you that much player harder maps.

Hard - is the minimum. Often Insane or something like that. I get into the top 50 on the highest difficulty. Let the map is not the most difficult in the game, but its better than I have been only 20-40 people. Do not people deserve some PP? It is illogical and unfair. In the good old days was only Ranked Score, fair and clear.

dude, values have changed in the past years, you were there in the begging..thats true but you just visited the game every few months, people were unhappy that score ranking was about time effort and strategysing about score farming, then ppv1 came and people found maps that fell out of the system because of the number of scores on a map, or people always having the exact same high rank because of 0-Spinner SS's and many more weird situations...
and people were and maybe are to some extend unhappy with how ppv2 works, but you shouldn't critize it, it only does the thing that the major part of the community wanted..giving a ranking were your skill is the most important value. in ppv2 you have to play a combination of high distance,high AR,High CS-Combination to get the most out of a map...and peppy made it even easier, now you can just look up how many pp someone got for a map..if the record you're looking for is not in the top100 Best perfomance of a player then it's below his lowest value...so if you really care about having a high rank then put the effort into getting those points, and if you don't want to..thats also fine, everyone just wants to enjoy this game in his/her own ways, but don't call bullshit on people who are actually putting an effort into pleasing their community members.

Kingkevin30 wrote:

dude, values have changed in the past years, you were there in the begging..thats true but you just visited the game every few months, people were unhappy that score ranking was about time effort and strategysing about score farming, then ppv1 came and people found maps that fell out of the system because of the number of scores on a map, or people always having the exact high rank because of 0-Spinner SS's and many more weird situations...
and people were and maybe are to some extend unhappy with how ppv2 works, but you shouldn't critize it, it only does the thing that the major part of the community wanted..giving a ranking were your skill is the most important value. in ppv2 you have to play a combination of high distance,high AR,High CS-Combination to get the most out of a map...and peppy made it even easier, now you can just look up how many pp someone got for a map..if the record you're looking for is not in the top100 Best perfomance of a player then it's below his lowest value...so if you really care about having a high rank then put the effort into getting those points, and if don't want to thats also fine, everyone just wants to enjoy this game in his/her own ways, but don't call bullshit on people who are actually putting an effort into pleasing their community members.

I understand, but this is the case - a person gets 1st place on the map and get, for example, 100 PP. And all the rest get nothing. But their score may be less likely to 5000-10000. Okay, insane with Hidden is simply because even if only for 5-10 PP give. I did not ask to get me in the top 3. Just want some return for the hours spent in the game.

This imbalance. I think that is wrong.

You want something in return? What do you gain from some number?
You gain a good map rank in return, isnt that good enough? And thats just a number. Again.

Honestly i never saw what people see in all those numbers, is it admiration from less good players they're after? But you can get that by FCing the newest ultrahard map much better than from some number.

You don't get pp by getting a high rank, most of the time a map I get rank 1 on doesn't give anything, and you want to know why? Because the map isn't hard enough to give anything, ppv1 based your pp on rank/accuracy, ppv2 takes map difficulty and counts miss count+combo.

So again, if you're not getting anything, you need to FC harder maps, you can't get pp forever by sticking to the same difficulty range, you do eventually have to move on to harder and harder maps.

aha yes yes ! go berzerk go berzerk!

[ZooM] wrote:

I understand, but this is the case - a person gets 1st place on the map and get, for example, 100 PP.
And all the rest get nothing. But their score may be less likely to 5000-10000.

thats a pretty ridiciolus assumption my friend...did you ever check how many pp everyone else is getting on a Scoreboard,
i bet you did not. because this is how most Scoreboards look like:




ohh wow how suprising, it seems that this beatmap has been difficult for most players in his Top 50 because their combo is decreasing and so is there pp that there getting out of it.

well lets look at the different outputs in comparesion now...
hmm Kenji did got 274pp out of a HR+HD on this map...does that seem fair? as far as im concerned, yes it very well deserves this high amount, playing this with both mods activated makes it signifficantly more difficult (atleast 1/3's harder) then the other used mod combinations.

up to the next one..

PM got 209pp for playing with Hidden, around 1pp more then all the other people who Hidden FC'ed it...is that fair? of course, beeing accurate is hard, it's not changing the overall difficulty too much, but still should be awarded, so this is also fine as im converned

next one...

so now the Nomod FC's starts with the same thing about accuracy i just explained on PM's case...so how about getting -25pp in comparison to the HD FC's
does that seem fair? now its getting a bit more complicated, Hidden is about perception so everyone has their own ideal of "how much harder is playing Hidden compared to nomod" but in a general sense everyone agrees that it adds to a difficulty of a map, so something like 10-30pp more for a Hidden Record is also fine...it takes effort to do such stuff.

and as we are going down the scoreboard ladder people are getting less and less pp even though they got such a close combo to a FC...is that fair?

now we have to take in mind that the meaning of PP is "PERFOMANCE Points" so that means that your skill has to be around the same "perfomance", you must be able to do something as difficult as the last "good perfomance".

so that was the whole scoreboard....if you really think that these values are incorrent, then pls tell Tom94 and give some advice on how it should be changed..

TL;DR PLEASE KEVIN

Kevin marry me

What mod is "NV"?

No video,newfag

What did those improvements do? Im noticing nothing different... Except that all star ratings were cut in half.

Kind of depressing that those 6 stars like shiawase gift i struggle with are just 3 starswhich is just a normal when comparing to stds staratings.

Not sure if Kevin's in love with ppv2 or he didn't mention how "fair" HT and mods multiplayers are on purpose.

Scorpionek wrote:

Not sure if Kevin's in love with ppv2 or he didn't mention how "fair" HT and mods multiplayers are on purpose.

im cutting into my own flesh if im talking bad about HT-PP Farming *kappa*...

just kiddin, i think we all know that HT is too overpowered right now,but it also shouldn't loose too much of it's potential since HT is still "kinda hard" to exicute on hard High AR Patterns

is the new star rating/pp system for ctb on test build final?????

new star rating algorithm is still work in progress on cuttingedge.

pp system will be work in progress after the star rating algorithm on cuttingedge is final.

The Catch the Beat performance points are currently undergoing a re-calculation after an algorithm update. Please visit the changelog for further information.

I'm aware that things are still far from perfect. Most notably: Clutch timings including pixel jumps are still underrated while certain other patterns get weighted too much. I hope to address those issues in further updates. Please wait until the re-calculations finished for everybody until giving feedback. Even if you pp changes drastically your best performance list might not have been updated accordingly yet.

A lot of love for this update.

Stefan wrote:

A lot of love for this update.

yeah, i really appreciate your hard work on this Tom ^^
im hoping the recalculations and the tweaking of some values will be finished soon
but right now it seems pretty balanced between various "difficult" playing styles
like the Low AR HD stuff, some FL Bonuses, and the "above AR9" boosts

Dunno if I'm actually that bad or not but i lost 11 thousand places with the algorithm change >___< so welp and 99% of my maps got reclassified in 1 star or 2 stars even if the title is difficult and would more likely need 4 stars or so how but thats just my opinion.

Girgias wrote:

Dunno if I'm actually that bad or not but i lost 11 thousand places with the algorithm change >___< so welp and 99% of my maps got reclassified in 1 star or 2 stars even if the title is difficult and would more likely need 4 stars or so how but thats just my opinion.

the recalculations aren't finished yet. People aswell as the pp-outputs of most maps probabbly have to be updated before assumptions on the calculations would be viable

I'd be happy with a nice buff to DT...

;_;

Pls just don't change it back

thijner14 wrote:

Pls just change it back

Don't complain that your pp farm maps don't count anymore and use this chance to learn how to play better.

WE DID IT BOYS

Just trying to undertand why increase pp bonus on low AR in CTB, higher AR really makes this mode more difficulty and low AR also isn't that hard to read (actually, is easier to read).