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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming

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Cursor movement or Streaming?

Movement
366
70.11%
Streaming
156
29.89%
Total votes: 522
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Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Aim is harder and more important, if you miss then your play is no good, if you get somewhat bad acc@streams but still don't miss then your play is good.

Then again some streams are hard because of spacing.

Streaming CAN BE a natural talent, some people just have a better sense of rhythm/stronger fingers. Same can happen with aim though but I don't think it's that notorious.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker
Ok. Apparently the different ideas of skill development are like religions on here..
makeamove
1,127 posts
Joined July 2010
makeamove

thelewa wrote:

buny wrote:

Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
Bullshit.
Totally bullshit lol... everything is training unless you have some kind of bone/muscles/hands disorder lol
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Oh yeah, about stream speed. Just start working out or something, it's all about muscles. Nothing else, really.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
"mostly just natural skill"

Also better clicking abilities is meaningless if you can't support it with cursor movement, so basically this

winber1 wrote:

If you have movement accuracy, you can easily learn to stream, at a at least semi-decent speed. If you can stream with godlike speed and have no movement accuracy, you can't do shit.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

thelewa wrote:

Oh yeah, about stream speed. Just start working out or something, it's all about muscles. Nothing else, really.
Mashing your keyboard works best there, there's no real workout to those few muscles in your forearm you need for streaming.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
Personally I think cursor movement is the most important. But if you ask "which is more important to train first?" then I'll say streaming, or I prefer to say accuracy, is the most important. It'll help you in the long run.
Cho_old
Cho_old
Cursor movement > Fast streaming. Cusor movemenet == Accurate streaming.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

buny wrote:

"mostly just natural skill"
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Lance
626 posts
Joined August 2010
Lance
Both.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
what this guys said.
I lack streaming speed so bad but i'm decent in movements :? So i've always looked jelly the faster stramers :cry:
But i do think they are equally important.
jesse1412
1,457 posts
Joined January 2010
jesse1412
You need aim for EVERY map whilst streaming only applies to some.

Either way I think they're both important. I find aim is harder to improve. Honestly there's no right answer, different people have different strengths.
Pettanko
246 posts
Joined September 2012
Pettanko
You can always practice songs with both jumps and spaced streams if you want to improve at both simultaneously.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
What kind of streaming we're talking about here by the way. Endurance, speed, or accuracy?
Each of them has different priority for me.
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
but i suck at streaming :(
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
*looks at poll results* Yeah no seriously guys what

Streaming/everything related to clicking on buttons is WAAAAAAY more important in this game than jumps. Being good at jumps won't get you anywhere. Jumps in this game are frigging free anyway... FCing Atama/Big Black/Sousei with relax is as easy as a walk in the park (which is almost as easy as CTB!). clicking on circles fast or with good accuracy is the real thing that takes a ton of experience and training. There is no natural skill in this. Gotta practice like mad
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

JappyBabes wrote:

buny wrote:

"mostly just natural skill"
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first place

Aqo wrote:

*looks at poll results* Yeah no seriously guys what

Streaming/everything related to clicking on buttons is WAAAAAAY more important in this game than jumps. Being good at jumps won't get you anywhere. Jumps in this game are frigging free anyway... FCing Atama/Big Black/Sousei with relax is as easy as a walk in the park (which is almost as easy as CTB!). clicking on circles fast or with good accuracy is the real thing that takes a ton of experience and training. There is no natural skill in this. Gotta practice like mad
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz

buny wrote:

Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

darkmiz wrote:

buny wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Pacemaker wrote:

Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
physicall limitation is completly different for every human. look at bodystatures, some people are to small to reach for something in 2 meter height.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

darkmiz wrote:

buny wrote:

Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
I agree but disagree with your first statement, unless you're treating 3/5 stack notes as streams.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?

darkmiz wrote:

Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
I used tablet once and I couldn't even pass osu!tutorial. Your argument is invalid.
threenash
1,043 posts
Joined May 2010
threenash
I suck at streams. I always sucked at it anyway. Cursor movement is something you get sooner or later by practicing.
Tako
16 posts
Joined July 2010
Tako
I can't even do 160 bpm streams D:
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Frizz wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?
untill a couple of months ago i couldnt even pass 185 bpm for more than 9ish notes
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

Frizz wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?

I still can't properly stream above 160 with over a year of playing. I can't keep up over 175ish at all.
Lance
626 posts
Joined August 2010
Lance
I think this comes down to what level of play you are at. Once you get near the top streaming will be much more important since the hardest maps are typically high bpm. At the beginning, though, accurate cursor movement is key to getting better.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

buny wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first place
What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Aqo wrote:

What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
If bpm was the bigger problem on freedom dive, there'd be a lot more no mod scores on it.
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
This game is combo based, cursor movement relates to combo while streaming relates to accuracy. If your aim is good then you can FC lots of maps, then again you will probably fail at stuff like chipscape, but it's not like there are many maps like that. Then again if your aim is bad, even if you're a godlike streamer (see KeigoClear) you gonna have trouble with lots of maps, failing to FC even while getting top tier accuracy. Of course, other players gonna have a lot of trouble beating you, but then again you gonna go mad trying to FC any kind of hard map + mods since all of them end up requiring very good aim.

Both are important, but if I had to choose godlike aim or streaming, I'd get aim, no doubt. Remember how those most impressive scores you see from Niko, WW, Cookiezi and rrtyui are pretty much aim based. Even if their accuracy is great too, there are some other players that probably can get the same accuracy as them, but yet they can't do it because their aim is not good enough.

Freedom Dive is not hard because of 300 hit long 222 BPM streams, not at all, the stream practice version is way more exhausting and demanding than 4D, yet it is way easier to clear.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz
Even KeigoClear can't FC Freedom Dive, so I consider it a jump map.
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
It's not really a jump map tho.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
Jump = snapping
Tracing streams = flow movement

it's not jumps. it's movement. there's a big difference.

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Trust me when I tell you that you won't. It's harder than it looks. :(
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
it's so hard my mind melts and becomes mush even by trying to comprehend how hard it is
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

JappyBabes wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
how much does keigoclear-san's hand go for on e-bay?
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
One of the most important key to stream >200bpm is to keep your fingers relaxed. Proven by myself and Gatyaa, I was able to FC 4/5 part of rog-unlimitation with good accuracy (>95% I think before combobreak) on rubberdome keyboard while Gatyaa himself was able to reach >700 combo in Mad Machine on laptop keyboard.

Both of us didn't tense up our fingers on streams.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
And absolutely everyone can do this?

Everyone?

Even me?
Zamura_old
22 posts
Joined August 2010
Zamura_old
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Zamura wrote:

personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant stream
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Zamura_old
22 posts
Joined August 2010
Zamura_old

MMzz wrote:

Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Thanks, I'll try that out

silmarilen wrote:

Zamura wrote:

personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant stream
Yes, I've seen on more than one occasion people mention the "magical" playcount number of 50-60k. I'm not really content to stay where I'm at skill-wise though, so I'm working towards it pretty actively these days, you'll notice my play history graph has increased significantly in the last two months (since we're checking profiles).
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

Frizz wrote:

Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
So Renard was not lying about the mindcontrol thing DDDDDDDDDDD:
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
ive noticed that i get the most skill increase when i get a very high monthly playcount. in the past 4 months ive probably improved as much as the whole year before it.
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
i improve when god wills me to improve.

recently, god hasn't really been too nice.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

silmarilen wrote:

well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
what

are you saying cookiezi doesn't exist

I refuse to believe that. he's out there somewhere, watching us from above
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
fuck
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r
Why would you want to rank either of these as more important? They are both necessary skills to be an Osu! player.
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?
Laharl
1,394 posts
Joined January 2011
Laharl

MxG PhiLL wrote:

movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
Is fine with me.
SteRRuM
678 posts
Joined October 2008
SteRRuM
movement, with movement you can basically play any map hdhr, with streaming... fc freedom dive?
YodaSnipe
1,378 posts
Joined February 2011
YodaSnipe

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo
　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

Just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnezk_LIds like WTF am i doing...

Those who say streaming is harder to train, did someone even tried to train it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8wos4fQBc
If someone needs it http://puu.sh/1lDo8
Doing this at least once a day(well not every day but you got what im saying...) gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
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Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah no.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah no.
ahahahhahahah yes.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut
i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers

Tanzklaue wrote:

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?
That makes both equally important. Go figure.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
Improve? You have the stamina of a horse, what do you wanna improve at lol
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
speed
cirno-_old
cirno-_old
Training on Shinsekai is great and all, but reading maps correctly is what will get you to pass stuff. There are some tricky 130BPM w/ 8 AR maps that I still can't FC. But there are plenty of 150BPM-160BPM maps I can FC my first try. Training like that will help you pass something like Banned Forever. But will it help with AR10? Will it help with jump maps like Rainbow Dash Likes Girls? Well maybe if it has sudden fast streams.

I guess it depends on what the person wants to get good at. There might be some guy who does nothing but streams just so he can one day stream 300+ BPM.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here
SPOILER
What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
Well you have extreme accuracy + you can press ~220+(i believe that's the point when your speed increases really slow, well at least for me D:)

Question i have, those who stream 250+ kb only, don't you get pain after some time? D:(if i stream around that speed, hour or two is maximum without finger pain(bone/or whatever is causing pain)
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

LoGo wrote:

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here
SPOILER
What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...
It's impossible what ? To play the stream maps all days ? Just spectate me whenever you want.
Even though like you mentioned i have ( i'll have) to play less in the next months :?
Learning to do long stream it's not that easy like you were trying to say ( too bad for me :?) i mean , look at Silvia and White Wolf , they're considerated top players and play since years but yet they suck at long stream :roll:
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

It's impossible what ? To play the stream maps all days ? Just spectate me whenever you want.
Even though like you mentioned i have ( i'll have) to play less in the next months :?
Learning to do long stream it's not that easy like you were trying to say ( too bad for me :?) i mean , look at Silvia and White Wolf , they're considerated top players and play since years but yet they suck at long stream :roll:
No, i meant that it's impossible that you didn't get decent stamina playing like that. White Wolf had good high speed and stamina.(look at most stream maps i don't see him only on FD but i don't quite remember was he even playing so active that time + to actually play FD(for good result) you need day when you actually feel like you can do it. And he is on mad machine with good accuracy...
About Silvia i never saw him actually playing long stream maps, well at least more than 1 time in a week/month... But he can do decent speed look at rog-unlimitation.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
lol
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Cygnus
Nothing is more important than your PC. You can have all the best skills in osu! but that won't be good enough if you're just using crappy old PCs.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
I'm right handed, and I hold my pen with my right hand. And I suck.

also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

winber1 wrote:

also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
Same here. Only after like 4 hours straight of playing can I even keyboard stream over 180 bpm for 50+ notes, and that's still pushing it. But bpms like 155-160ish that I can actually keep up with, I can do forever.

My speed when I first started playing was probably capped at 160, and now it's 180 :S guess it just takes a long time.
LoGo
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LoGo

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Good aim? Nice joke D: If i had good aim then i would be #1 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321 few months ago...
Adding HD helps on accuracy http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/482276 but then i can't do those pentagons at the start :/( even without HD i do them rarely)

winber1 wrote:

I'm right handed, and I hold my pen with my right hand. And I suck.
also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
Well i played with DT ~80% of my play count and speed just came naturally.

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
I can single tap a lot faster with my right hand(by straining it around elbow but i can't get same speed with left hand) and that's pretty confusing considering i got 2 injuries on my palm joint, first when i was kid, second 2 years ago.

But i ended whining about lefthanded thing for a while now( i guess i never would whine about it if there wouldn't be one friend who just by playing 15min with tablet got better aim than i in one month D:)
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winber1
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winber1

Dude learn to quote. I didn't say that LOL
LoGo
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LoGo

winber1 wrote:


Dude learn to quote. I didn't say that LOL
0.0 lol, i was writing quote by myself(just to not make quote of quote and so on...) so i guess messed up nicknames D:
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Good aim? Nice joke D: If i had good aim then i would be #1 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321 few months ago...
But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
how do you do that
you're scary man
LoGo
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LoGo

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o
nononono, that sentence can be understood in different ways like:
1. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( figuratively translating - i have good aim but there's no way that i have it)
2. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( literally translating - i can't have good aim because i am playing with right hand)

And in situation when you parody my post how can it be literal translation? o.o
winber1
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winber1

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o
nononono, that sentence can be understood in different ways like:
1. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( figuratively translating - i have good aim but there's no way that i have it)
2. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( literally translating - i can't have good aim because i am playing with right hand)

And in situation when you parody my post how can it be literal translation? o.o
English being my first language and my primary language, that sentences (disregarding a grammatical error) only means that... you don't have good aim... and that it is impossible for you to have good aim. I don't see how it could mean anything else.

Also,

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it
is completely contradictory. This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

Now this thread is about how to speak English.

Come join everyone.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

winber1 wrote:

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it
I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
kriers
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kriers
ITT: PEDATIC PEOPLE
winber1
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winber1

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
You realize I'm just being an ass about grammatical English, right? I know what he means; I'm just explaining his attempt to translate the sentence did not logically make sense.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

winber1 wrote:

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
You realize I'm just being an ass about grammatical English, right? I know what he means; I'm just explaining his attempt to translate the sentence did not logically make sense.
yeah i realize.
buny
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buny
u gui so smart!@
LoGo
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LoGo
well, English isn't my native language, so let's assume, subconsciously i think that i am pro and i wanted show off.
/how to speak English
silmarilen
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silmarilen
mouse movement = hand-eye coordination
accuracy = sense of rythm
speed = physical ability

comparing apples with oranges
winber1
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winber1

silmarilen wrote:

comparing apples with oranges
What's wrong with that?

I have 5 apples and 6 oranges. I have more oranges.
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
LoGo
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LoGo

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
Bullshit.
buny
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buny

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
The only problem I had with going back to my mouse was that it was a piece of shit.
Aqo
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Aqo

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet
why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
CXu
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CXu
I wish tablet made me better at streaming.
Aqo
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Aqo
start tapping
s ranker disc
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s ranker disc

Aqo wrote:

start tapping
obviously moving cursor if ur my rank and ur gd at it or experienced streams are easy but moving the cursor to 20 different circles at the same time is not try it :) :idea:
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Aqo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet
why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
tablet makes you better at aiming and jumps, especially on small circles and squares where mouse is inferior for most people. only because it's different for you it doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, and in fact most of the people who bought a tablet got better at jumps and movement overall almost instantly.

so in 99% of the cases, yes, a tablet is like buying movement and jumpskills.

and tapx is a lot harder to learn than keyboardstreaming, and your acc won't be as good as the acc of a keyboardstreamer unless you are really good with tapx.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

Tanzklaue wrote:

Aqo wrote:

why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
tablet makes you better at aiming and jumps, especially on small circles and squares where mouse is inferior for most people. only because it's different for you it doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, and in fact most of the people who bought a tablet got better at jumps and movement overall almost instantly.

so in 99% of the cases, yes, a tablet is like buying movement and jumpskills.

and tapx is a lot harder to learn than keyboardstreaming, and your acc won't be as good as the acc of a keyboardstreamer unless you are really good with tapx.
I think Aqo meant that mouse is better than tablet for jumps because snapping is a lot better and easier with mouse.
Aqo
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Aqo
The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
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