MMzz wrote:

Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.

silmarilen wrote:

Zamura wrote:

personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.

you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant stream

Frizz wrote:

Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.

silmarilen wrote:

well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

MxG PhiLL wrote:

movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...

Liutprando wrote:

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...

ahahahhahahah no.

Tanzklaue wrote:

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.

SPOILER

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

LoGo wrote:

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.

When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here

SPOILER

What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...

Liutprando wrote:

It's impossible what ? To play the stream maps all days ? Just spectate me whenever you want.
Even though like you mentioned i have ( i'll have) to play less in the next months
Learning to do long stream it's not that easy like you were trying to say ( too bad for me ) i mean , look at Silvia and White Wolf , they're considerated top players and play since years but yet they suck at long stream

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.

winber1 wrote:

also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.

winber1 wrote:

I'm right handed, and I hold my pen with my right hand. And I suck.
also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability

winber1 wrote:

Dude learn to quote. I didn't say that LOL

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.

Good aim? Nice joke D: If i had good aim then i would be #1 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321 few months ago...

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o

nononono, that sentence can be understood in different ways like:
1. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( figuratively translating - i have good aim but there's no way that i have it)
2. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( literally translating - i can't have good aim because i am playing with right hand)

And in situation when you parody my post how can it be literal translation? o.o

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it

winber1 wrote:

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.

winber1 wrote:

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.

You realize I'm just being an ass about grammatical English, right? I know what he means; I'm just explaining his attempt to translate the sentence did not logically make sense.

silmarilen wrote:

comparing apples with oranges

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet

Aqo wrote:

start tapping

Aqo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet

why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk

Tanzklaue wrote:

Aqo wrote:

why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk

tablet makes you better at aiming and jumps, especially on small circles and squares where mouse is inferior for most people. only because it's different for you it doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, and in fact most of the people who bought a tablet got better at jumps and movement overall almost instantly.

so in 99% of the cases, yes, a tablet is like buying movement and jumpskills.

and tapx is a lot harder to learn than keyboardstreaming, and your acc won't be as good as the acc of a keyboardstreamer unless you are really good with tapx.

MxG PhiLL wrote:

The thing is, mouse play takes more skill and more practice than tablet from what I've seen. At least for me, tablet learning curve was much steeper than mouse learning curve

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet?

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me

kriers wrote:

oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't stream =/

jesus1412 wrote:

kriers wrote:

oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't stream =/

Oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't accuracy =/

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet?

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.

Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.

Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi

Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.

Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi

LoGo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet?

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me

Streaming is easiest thing in this game, what can be hard is high bpm streams(220+) or accuracy on slow ones(but with time you kinda feel each tap so it's not that hard)
Answer me, what is so hard in pressing button which stays on place all the time???
From your words i can clearly see that you never used tablet, playing with tablet brings a lot of things which can't be fixed in short period... For example grip if you are comfortable with grip which allows you move 1x1cm big area you are pretty much screwed. One more thing, corners i think that's the "best" place for all tablet players.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck

how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck

how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences

silmarilen wrote:

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences

wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the title

silmarilen wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important

Azumi Shizuko wrote:

it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers

Azumi Shizuko wrote:

i can stream ascension to heaven or say mad machine pretty decent, but when it comes to a part in a song where it's like, stream note note stream stream note, then i have trouble, so it's more about control in streaming and aim, not just how fast you can spam your fingers

Zook wrote:

Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.

You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)

buny wrote:

Zook wrote:

Spam through it with perfect accuracy? Maybe mad machine yeah, but then again that map has almost 0 importance.

You cannot mindlessly spam your keys on OD8 and get perfect accuracy. (Ascension)

just because you can't doesn't mean others can't also.

Wishy wrote:

It's funny because best players ever are actually movement gods.

/thread?