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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming

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Cursor movement or Streaming?

Movement
366
70.11%
Streaming
156
29.89%
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buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

thelewa wrote:

buny wrote:

Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
Bullshit.
Movement hard tho

Hika wrote:

You can easily learn how to stream properly. It's not a natural skill. I started learning how to stream under 175 BPM & realized that it wasn't too bad.
Also, movement is crucial to play the game in my personal opinion since not all the maps in the game have streams.
There are people that can learn how to stream properly and there are people that can naturally stream better than top rank players.
I'm really only talking about stream speeds because while people that have played for years could only stream say 240bpm, people that could have just joined could stream 280bpm, whereas cursor movement is just ALL practice/training.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

buny wrote:

Hika wrote:

You can easily learn how to stream properly. It's not a natural skill. I started learning how to stream under 175 BPM & realized that it wasn't too bad.
Also, movement is crucial to play the game in my personal opinion since not all the maps in the game have streams.
There are people that can learn how to stream properly and there are people that can naturally stream better than top rank players.
no, there are people who learn to stream, people who just spam and claim that they can stream, people who think clicking 5 1/4 notes means to stream the given BPM, people who use macros, and maybe >1% people who are just natural streaming talents (hello jesus).
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Tanzklaue wrote:

no, there are people who learn to stream
Those are the people who probably just started playing osu

people who just spam and claim that they can stream
in the end that's what streaming is, except in rhythm

people who think clicking 5 1/4 notes means to stream the given BPM
what does that have to do with anything?

people who use macros
same as above

maybe >1% people who are just natural streaming talents (hello jesus).
jesse also worked hard to get to where he is now
Well all we're doing is just comparing opinions here so there isn't really a right answer to it.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Aim is harder and more important, if you miss then your play is no good, if you get somewhat bad acc@streams but still don't miss then your play is good.

Then again some streams are hard because of spacing.

Streaming CAN BE a natural talent, some people just have a better sense of rhythm/stronger fingers. Same can happen with aim though but I don't think it's that notorious.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker
Ok. Apparently the different ideas of skill development are like religions on here..
Snepif
1,127 posts
Joined July 2010
Snepif

thelewa wrote:

buny wrote:

Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
Bullshit.
Totally bullshit lol... everything is training unless you have some kind of bone/muscles/hands disorder lol
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Oh yeah, about stream speed. Just start working out or something, it's all about muscles. Nothing else, really.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
"mostly just natural skill"

Also better clicking abilities is meaningless if you can't support it with cursor movement, so basically this

winber1 wrote:

If you have movement accuracy, you can easily learn to stream, at a at least semi-decent speed. If you can stream with godlike speed and have no movement accuracy, you can't do shit.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

thelewa wrote:

Oh yeah, about stream speed. Just start working out or something, it's all about muscles. Nothing else, really.
Mashing your keyboard works best there, there's no real workout to those few muscles in your forearm you need for streaming.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
Personally I think cursor movement is the most important. But if you ask "which is more important to train first?" then I'll say streaming, or I prefer to say accuracy, is the most important. It'll help you in the long run.
Cho_old
Cho_old
Cursor movement > Fast streaming. Cusor movemenet == Accurate streaming.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

buny wrote:

"mostly just natural skill"
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Lance
626 posts
Joined August 2010
Lance
Both.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
what this guys said.
I lack streaming speed so bad but i'm decent in movements :? So i've always looked jelly the faster stramers :cry:
But i do think they are equally important.
jesse1412
1,457 posts
Joined January 2010
jesse1412
You need aim for EVERY map whilst streaming only applies to some.

Either way I think they're both important. I find aim is harder to improve. Honestly there's no right answer, different people have different strengths.
Pettanko
246 posts
Joined September 2012
Pettanko
You can always practice songs with both jumps and spaced streams if you want to improve at both simultaneously.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
What kind of streaming we're talking about here by the way. Endurance, speed, or accuracy?
Each of them has different priority for me.
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
but i suck at streaming :(
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
*looks at poll results* Yeah no seriously guys what

Streaming/everything related to clicking on buttons is WAAAAAAY more important in this game than jumps. Being good at jumps won't get you anywhere. Jumps in this game are frigging free anyway... FCing Atama/Big Black/Sousei with relax is as easy as a walk in the park (which is almost as easy as CTB!). clicking on circles fast or with good accuracy is the real thing that takes a ton of experience and training. There is no natural skill in this. Gotta practice like mad
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

JappyBabes wrote:

buny wrote:

"mostly just natural skill"
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first place

Aqo wrote:

*looks at poll results* Yeah no seriously guys what

Streaming/everything related to clicking on buttons is WAAAAAAY more important in this game than jumps. Being good at jumps won't get you anywhere. Jumps in this game are frigging free anyway... FCing Atama/Big Black/Sousei with relax is as easy as a walk in the park (which is almost as easy as CTB!). clicking on circles fast or with good accuracy is the real thing that takes a ton of experience and training. There is no natural skill in this. Gotta practice like mad
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz

buny wrote:

Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

darkmiz wrote:

buny wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Pacemaker wrote:

Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
physicall limitation is completly different for every human. look at bodystatures, some people are to small to reach for something in 2 meter height.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

darkmiz wrote:

buny wrote:

Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
I agree but disagree with your first statement, unless you're treating 3/5 stack notes as streams.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?

darkmiz wrote:

Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
I used tablet once and I couldn't even pass osu!tutorial. Your argument is invalid.
threenash
1,043 posts
Joined May 2010
threenash
I suck at streams. I always sucked at it anyway. Cursor movement is something you get sooner or later by practicing.
Tako
16 posts
Joined July 2010
Tako
I can't even do 160 bpm streams D:
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Frizz wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?
untill a couple of months ago i couldnt even pass 185 bpm for more than 9ish notes
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

Frizz wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?

I still can't properly stream above 160 with over a year of playing. I can't keep up over 175ish at all.
Lance
626 posts
Joined August 2010
Lance
I think this comes down to what level of play you are at. Once you get near the top streaming will be much more important since the hardest maps are typically high bpm. At the beginning, though, accurate cursor movement is key to getting better.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

buny wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first place
What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Aqo wrote:

What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
If bpm was the bigger problem on freedom dive, there'd be a lot more no mod scores on it.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
This game is combo based, cursor movement relates to combo while streaming relates to accuracy. If your aim is good then you can FC lots of maps, then again you will probably fail at stuff like chipscape, but it's not like there are many maps like that. Then again if your aim is bad, even if you're a godlike streamer (see KeigoClear) you gonna have trouble with lots of maps, failing to FC even while getting top tier accuracy. Of course, other players gonna have a lot of trouble beating you, but then again you gonna go mad trying to FC any kind of hard map + mods since all of them end up requiring very good aim.

Both are important, but if I had to choose godlike aim or streaming, I'd get aim, no doubt. Remember how those most impressive scores you see from Niko, WW, Cookiezi and rrtyui are pretty much aim based. Even if their accuracy is great too, there are some other players that probably can get the same accuracy as them, but yet they can't do it because their aim is not good enough.

Freedom Dive is not hard because of 300 hit long 222 BPM streams, not at all, the stream practice version is way more exhausting and demanding than 4D, yet it is way easier to clear.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz
Even KeigoClear can't FC Freedom Dive, so I consider it a jump map.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
It's not really a jump map tho.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
Jump = snapping
Tracing streams = flow movement

it's not jumps. it's movement. there's a big difference.

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Trust me when I tell you that you won't. It's harder than it looks. :(
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
it's so hard my mind melts and becomes mush even by trying to comprehend how hard it is
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
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