any ideas??? just wanted to know 
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Tanzklaue wrote:
(let's change streaming into "overall clicking abilities")
Tanzklaue wrote:
(let's change streaming into "overall clicking abilities")
Bullshit.buny wrote:
Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
my aiming recently got upgraded from "horrible" to "decent".winber1 wrote:
If you have movement accuracy, you can easily learn to stream, at a at least semi-decent speed. If you can stream with godlike speed and have no movement accuracy, you can't do shit.
Movement hard thothelewa wrote:
Bullshit.buny wrote:
Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
There are people that can learn how to stream properly and there are people that can naturally stream better than top rank players.Hika wrote:
You can easily learn how to stream properly. It's not a natural skill. I started learning how to stream under 175 BPM & realized that it wasn't too bad.
Also, movement is crucial to play the game in my personal opinion since not all the maps in the game have streams.
no, there are people who learn to stream, people who just spam and claim that they can stream, people who think clicking 5 1/4 notes means to stream the given BPM, people who use macros, and maybe >1% people who are just natural streaming talents (hello jesus).buny wrote:
There are people that can learn how to stream properly and there are people that can naturally stream better than top rank players.Hika wrote:
You can easily learn how to stream properly. It's not a natural skill. I started learning how to stream under 175 BPM & realized that it wasn't too bad.
Also, movement is crucial to play the game in my personal opinion since not all the maps in the game have streams.
Well all we're doing is just comparing opinions here so there isn't really a right answer to it.Tanzklaue wrote:
no, there are people who learn to stream
Those are the people who probably just started playing osu
people who just spam and claim that they can stream
in the end that's what streaming is, except in rhythm
people who think clicking 5 1/4 notes means to stream the given BPM
what does that have to do with anything?
people who use macros
same as above
maybe >1% people who are just natural streaming talents (hello jesus).
jesse also worked hard to get to where he is now
Totally bullshit lol... everything is training unless you have some kind of bone/muscles/hands disorder lolthelewa wrote:
Bullshit.buny wrote:
Movement requires more training whereas streaming is mostly just natural skill.
winber1 wrote:
If you have movement accuracy, you can easily learn to stream, at a at least semi-decent speed. If you can stream with godlike speed and have no movement accuracy, you can't do shit.
Mashing your keyboard works best there, there's no real workout to those few muscles in your forearm you need for streaming.thelewa wrote:
Oh yeah, about stream speed. Just start working out or something, it's all about muscles. Nothing else, really.
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or whatbuny wrote:
"mostly just natural skill"
what this guys said.silmarilen wrote:
people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
but i suck at streamingsilmarilen wrote:
people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first placeJappyBabes wrote:
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or whatbuny wrote:
"mostly just natural skill"
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.Aqo wrote:
*looks at poll results* Yeah no seriously guys what
Streaming/everything related to clicking on buttons is WAAAAAAY more important in this game than jumps. Being good at jumps won't get you anywhere. Jumps in this game are frigging free anyway... FCing Atama/Big Black/Sousei with relax is as easy as a walk in the park (which is almost as easy as CTB!). clicking on circles fast or with good accuracy is the real thing that takes a ton of experience and training. There is no natural skill in this. Gotta practice like mad
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.buny wrote:
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.darkmiz wrote:
buny wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
physicall limitation is completly different for every human. look at bodystatures, some people are to small to reach for something in 2 meter height.Pacemaker wrote:
Who's that lmfao? Physical limitation and development applies for every human equally, so that's obviously complete bullcrap.
I agree but disagree with your first statement, unless you're treating 3/5 stack notes as streams.darkmiz wrote:
Being good at streams will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous jumps.buny wrote:
Being good at jumps will help you pass nearly every map without some ridiculous stream.
ok. Both streaming and jumps are hard, but streaming is harder to train.
There is a thing called physical limitation.
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
Mind telling us who the examples are?darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
I used tablet once and I couldn't even pass osu!tutorial. Your argument is invalid.darkmiz wrote:
Jumps? Just buy a tablet and instant pro.
untill a couple of months ago i couldnt even pass 185 bpm for more than 9ish notesFrizz wrote:
Mind telling us who the examples are?darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
Mind telling us who the examples are?Frizz wrote:
darkmiz wrote:
Even after years of playing, some people cannot stream past bpm 180.
What. Yes it is.buny wrote:
Only if you can't stream 222bpm which isn't even what makes freedom dive hard in the first placeJappyBabes wrote:
so the only reason you can pass freedom dive whereas I can't is because you had massive luck with your birth. man I am unlucky or what
If bpm was the bigger problem on freedom dive, there'd be a lot more no mod scores on it.Aqo wrote:
What. Yes it is.
I can stream 220bpm for 10 notes. 215bpm for 20 notes. 205bpm for 50 notes. 185bpm for 100 notes.
The above is more or less true for the large part of people who play this game actively and are keyboard-only streamers - i.e. 200bpm short term, 180bpm long term. Being able to stream 220bpm long-term is literally something most players are not physically capable of.
Are you a wizard. How the hell do you stream this fast this long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LYAqo wrote:
how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
how much does keigoclear-san's hand go for on e-bay?JappyBabes wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant streamZamura wrote:
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
Thanks, I'll try that outMMzz wrote:
Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Yes, I've seen on more than one occasion people mention the "magical" playcount number of 50-60k. I'm not really content to stay where I'm at skill-wise though, so I'm working towards it pretty actively these days, you'll notice my play history graph has increased significantly in the last two months (since we're checking profiles).silmarilen wrote:
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant streamZamura wrote:
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
So Renard was not lying about the mindcontrol thing DDDDDDDDDDD:Frizz wrote:
Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
whatsilmarilen wrote:
well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?kriers wrote:
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Is fine with me.MxG PhiLL wrote:
movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
kriers wrote:
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
ahahahhahahah no.LoGo wrote:
Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah yes.Liutprando wrote:
ahahahhahahah no.LoGo wrote:
Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
That makes both equally important. Go figure.Tanzklaue wrote:
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?kriers wrote:
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
Improve? You have the stamina of a horse, what do you wanna improve at lolthelewa wrote:
Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...Liutprando wrote:
i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
Well you have extreme accuracy + you can press ~220+(i believe that's the point when your speed increases really slow, well at least for me D:)thelewa wrote:
Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.LoGo wrote:
Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)