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Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming

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Cursor movement or Streaming?

Movement
366
70.11%
Streaming
156
29.89%
Total votes: 522
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Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
This game is combo based, cursor movement relates to combo while streaming relates to accuracy. If your aim is good then you can FC lots of maps, then again you will probably fail at stuff like chipscape, but it's not like there are many maps like that. Then again if your aim is bad, even if you're a godlike streamer (see KeigoClear) you gonna have trouble with lots of maps, failing to FC even while getting top tier accuracy. Of course, other players gonna have a lot of trouble beating you, but then again you gonna go mad trying to FC any kind of hard map + mods since all of them end up requiring very good aim.

Both are important, but if I had to choose godlike aim or streaming, I'd get aim, no doubt. Remember how those most impressive scores you see from Niko, WW, Cookiezi and rrtyui are pretty much aim based. Even if their accuracy is great too, there are some other players that probably can get the same accuracy as them, but yet they can't do it because their aim is not good enough.

Freedom Dive is not hard because of 300 hit long 222 BPM streams, not at all, the stream practice version is way more exhausting and demanding than 4D, yet it is way easier to clear.
darkmiz
407 posts
Joined August 2011
darkmiz
Even KeigoClear can't FC Freedom Dive, so I consider it a jump map.
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
It's not really a jump map tho.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
Jump = snapping
Tracing streams = flow movement

it's not jumps. it's movement. there's a big difference.

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
Wishy
2,972 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Trust me when I tell you that you won't. It's harder than it looks. :(
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
it's so hard my mind melts and becomes mush even by trying to comprehend how hard it is
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

Aqo wrote:

how do you wizards stream this fast and this long. can you upload videos of your fingers or something
give me the ability to stream 222~230bpm kb-only without getting tired and I'll pass freedom dive every day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

JappyBabes wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srhvQ5qv_LY
Easy
how much does keigoclear-san's hand go for on e-bay?
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
One of the most important key to stream >200bpm is to keep your fingers relaxed. Proven by myself and Gatyaa, I was able to FC 4/5 part of rog-unlimitation with good accuracy (>95% I think before combobreak) on rubberdome keyboard while Gatyaa himself was able to reach >700 combo in Mad Machine on laptop keyboard.

Both of us didn't tense up our fingers on streams.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
And absolutely everyone can do this?

Everyone?

Even me?
Zamura_old
22 posts
Joined August 2010
Zamura_old
personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
Frizz
4,131 posts
Joined April 2011
Frizz
Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Zamura wrote:

personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant stream
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Zamura_old
22 posts
Joined August 2010
Zamura_old

MMzz wrote:

Playing with your fingers flat(?) and not curled helps me stream, less movement involved. I've pretty much adapted to always play like this. I picked it up while DTing maps in taiko, it boosted my speed and accuracy quite a bit.
Thanks, I'll try that out

silmarilen wrote:

Zamura wrote:

personally god-awful at streams, so I truly envy people who are good at them (I'm one of the aforementioned people who after two years of playing still can't stream 170). However, I think that accurate cursor movement will get you further than stream speed given the new accuracy>difficulty way of ranking.
you have 12k playcount, no wonder you cant stream
Yes, I've seen on more than one occasion people mention the "magical" playcount number of 50-60k. I'm not really content to stay where I'm at skill-wise though, so I'm working towards it pretty actively these days, you'll notice my play history graph has increased significantly in the last two months (since we're checking profiles).
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

Frizz wrote:

Pretty sure everyone can. I'm actually not good at streams but I managed to be able to stream up to 220bpm (I was only able to stream around 180bpm-190bpm before). It depends on how one believes that they can actually push their own limit despite all the odds.
So Renard was not lying about the mindcontrol thing DDDDDDDDDDD:
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
ive noticed that i get the most skill increase when i get a very high monthly playcount. in the past 4 months ive probably improved as much as the whole year before it.
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
i improve when god wills me to improve.

recently, god hasn't really been too nice.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

silmarilen wrote:

well. since god doesnt excist that means you will never get better
what

are you saying cookiezi doesn't exist

I refuse to believe that. he's out there somewhere, watching us from above
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
fuck
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
G0r
389 posts
Joined September 2011
G0r
Why would you want to rank either of these as more important? They are both necessary skills to be an Osu! player.
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers
A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?
Laharl
1,394 posts
Joined January 2011
Laharl

MxG PhiLL wrote:

movement is more important, but streaming is more impressive
Is fine with me.
SteRRuM
678 posts
Joined October 2008
SteRRuM
movement, with movement you can basically play any map hdhr, with streaming... fc freedom dive?
YodaSnipe
1,378 posts
Joined February 2011
YodaSnipe

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.

Nothing about osu! is healthy, though.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo
　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)

Just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnezk_LIds like WTF am i doing...

Those who say streaming is harder to train, did someone even tried to train it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8wos4fQBc
If someone needs it http://puu.sh/1lDo8
Doing this at least once a day(well not every day but you got what im saying...) gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
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Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah no.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

LoGo wrote:

Doing this at least once a day gonna make you stream 200+ pretty fast...
Just press until you fail few times then when your fingers barely move take 1 min break and go again, you gonna see that you can hold a lot longer...
ahahahhahahah no.
ahahahhahahah yes.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut
i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
kriers
1,963 posts
Joined April 2010
kriers

Tanzklaue wrote:

kriers wrote:

A healthy way to maintain balanced skill: the weakest of the two is the most important.
what if you suck at both so much that you can't determine which is worse?
That makes both equally important. Go figure.
Pacemaker
106 posts
Joined May 2012
Pacemaker

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
Improve? You have the stamina of a horse, what do you wanna improve at lol
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
speed
cirno-_old
cirno-_old
Training on Shinsekai is great and all, but reading maps correctly is what will get you to pass stuff. There are some tricky 130BPM w/ 8 AR maps that I still can't FC. But there are plenty of 150BPM-160BPM maps I can FC my first try. Training like that will help you pass something like Banned Forever. But will it help with AR10? Will it help with jump maps like Rainbow Dash Likes Girls? Well maybe if it has sudden fast streams.

I guess it depends on what the person wants to get good at. There might be some guy who does nothing but streams just so he can one day stream 300+ BPM.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here
SPOILER
What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...

thelewa wrote:

Yeah I spend a couple of hours constantly grinding streams every day, doesn't really help me improve
Well you have extreme accuracy + you can press ~220+(i believe that's the point when your speed increases really slow, well at least for me D:)

Question i have, those who stream 250+ kb only, don't you get pain after some time? D:(if i stream around that speed, hour or two is maximum without finger pain(bone/or whatever is causing pain)
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

LoGo wrote:

Liutprando wrote:

i've been doing all the stream practice maps all the days since 2 months or more and all i achieved it's streaming a bit faster and still sucking at 20+ notes long streams.
And i'm sure i'm not the only one.
When i read this i was confused because it's just impossible but then i checked your profile... You are playing massive amount of normals or really short insanes and by looking here
SPOILER
What do you expect? There's no game where playing casually will lead to insane skill...
It's impossible what ? To play the stream maps all days ? Just spectate me whenever you want.
Even though like you mentioned i have ( i'll have) to play less in the next months :?
Learning to do long stream it's not that easy like you were trying to say ( too bad for me :?) i mean , look at Silvia and White Wolf , they're considerated top players and play since years but yet they suck at long stream :roll:
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Liutprando wrote:

It's impossible what ? To play the stream maps all days ? Just spectate me whenever you want.
Even though like you mentioned i have ( i'll have) to play less in the next months :?
Learning to do long stream it's not that easy like you were trying to say ( too bad for me :?) i mean , look at Silvia and White Wolf , they're considerated top players and play since years but yet they suck at long stream :roll:
No, i meant that it's impossible that you didn't get decent stamina playing like that. White Wolf had good high speed and stamina.(look at most stream maps i don't see him only on FD but i don't quite remember was he even playing so active that time + to actually play FD(for good result) you need day when you actually feel like you can do it. And he is on mad machine with good accuracy...
About Silvia i never saw him actually playing long stream maps, well at least more than 1 time in a week/month... But he can do decent speed look at rog-unlimitation.
Liut
777 posts
Joined June 2011
Liut

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
lol
Cygnus
1,517 posts
Joined December 2011
Cygnus
Nothing is more important than your PC. You can have all the best skills in osu! but that won't be good enough if you're just using crappy old PCs.
silmarilen
5,582 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
I'm right handed, and I hold my pen with my right hand. And I suck.

also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

winber1 wrote:

also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
Same here. Only after like 4 hours straight of playing can I even keyboard stream over 180 bpm for 50+ notes, and that's still pushing it. But bpms like 155-160ish that I can actually keep up with, I can do forever.

My speed when I first started playing was probably capped at 160, and now it's 180 :S guess it just takes a long time.
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

GoldenWolf wrote:

LoGo wrote:

　　Movement, why? i don't even understand how can you possibly train it when you barely move to all corners, aim just evolves too slow. But streaming... you can press the button all the time, all you need to improve, is raise bpm and stream length but what can you do to improve aim??? all you do is change god damn tablet area then start to reach corners and next day you wake up that speed boost to reach corners goes to nowhere and repeating that ends in completely unstable results...
　　And saying play more jump maps, i think 99,9% of maps have them + there can be billion combinations how you need to move your hand/palm...
Can someone give me some advice what to play to improve snapping??(i think thats how its called) For example this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20328 it's just impossible D:( i dont think that playing <- gonna improve someting i just can't move so far and it almost feels like i cant even read it D:)
What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Good aim? Nice joke D: If i had good aim then i would be #1 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321 few months ago...
Adding HD helps on accuracy http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/482276 but then i can't do those pentagons at the start :/( even without HD i do them rarely)

winber1 wrote:

I'm right handed, and I hold my pen with my right hand. And I suck.
also playing stream maps all day really doesn't help with stream speed. I will admit that it may help with stamina, but stream speed a completely different aspect of the game that I honestly have no idea how to train. I've being doing random shit to get it higher, not really working.
Well i played with DT ~80% of my play count and speed just came naturally.

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
I can single tap a lot faster with my right hand(by straining it around elbow but i can't get same speed with left hand) and that's pretty confusing considering i got 2 injuries on my palm joint, first when i was kid, second 2 years ago.

But i ended whining about lefthanded thing for a while now( i guess i never would whine about it if there wouldn't be one friend who just by playing 15min with tablet got better aim than i in one month D:)
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winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

Dude learn to quote. I didn't say that LOL
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

winber1 wrote:


Dude learn to quote. I didn't say that LOL
0.0 lol, i was writing quote by myself(just to not make quote of quote and so on...) so i guess messed up nicknames D:
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

What do you expect ? You're lefthanded but you hold your pen in your right hand (According to your userpage), there's no way you can have a good aim like that.
Good aim? Nice joke D: If i had good aim then i would be #1 http://osu.ppy.sh/b/124321 few months ago...
But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o

silmarilen wrote:

i am left handed and i play with my right hand and my aim is exeptionally good compared to my streaming ability
how do you do that
you're scary man
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o
nononono, that sentence can be understood in different ways like:
1. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( figuratively translating - i have good aim but there's no way that i have it)
2. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( literally translating - i can't have good aim because i am playing with right hand)

And in situation when you parody my post how can it be literal translation? o.o
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

LoGo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

But I said you can't have a good aim like that, not you have one o.o
nononono, that sentence can be understood in different ways like:
1. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( figuratively translating - i have good aim but there's no way that i have it)
2. there's no way you can have a good aim like that.( literally translating - i can't have good aim because i am playing with right hand)

And in situation when you parody my post how can it be literal translation? o.o
English being my first language and my primary language, that sentences (disregarding a grammatical error) only means that... you don't have good aim... and that it is impossible for you to have good aim. I don't see how it could mean anything else.

Also,

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it
is completely contradictory. This sentence makes absolutely no sense.

Now this thread is about how to speak English.

Come join everyone.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

winber1 wrote:

LoGo wrote:

i have good aim but there's no way that i have it
I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
kriers
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Joined April 2010
kriers
ITT: PEDATIC PEOPLE
winber1
4,519 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
You realize I'm just being an ass about grammatical English, right? I know what he means; I'm just explaining his attempt to translate the sentence did not logically make sense.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

winber1 wrote:

MxG PhiLL wrote:

I think what he was trying to say is that there is seemingly no way that he could have good aim, but he inexplicably does. He just phrased it wrong, but you just gotta think for 2 seconds to figure out what he meant.
You realize I'm just being an ass about grammatical English, right? I know what he means; I'm just explaining his attempt to translate the sentence did not logically make sense.
yeah i realize.
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny
u gui so smart!@
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo
well, English isn't my native language, so let's assume, subconsciously i think that i am pro and i wanted show off.
/how to speak English
silmarilen
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silmarilen
mouse movement = hand-eye coordination
accuracy = sense of rythm
speed = physical ability

comparing apples with oranges
winber1
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winber1

silmarilen wrote:

comparing apples with oranges
What's wrong with that?

I have 5 apples and 6 oranges. I have more oranges.
Hanyuu
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Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
LoGo
133 posts
Joined March 2011
LoGo

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
Bullshit.
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

Hanyuu wrote:

streaming since you can buy movement with a tablet
The only problem I had with going back to my mouse was that it was a piece of shit.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet
why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
CXu
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2009
CXu
I wish tablet made me better at streaming.
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
start tapping
s ranker disc
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s ranker disc

Aqo wrote:

start tapping
obviously moving cursor if ur my rank and ur gd at it or experienced streams are easy but moving the cursor to 20 different circles at the same time is not try it :) :idea:
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Aqo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

you can buy movement with a tablet
why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
tablet makes you better at aiming and jumps, especially on small circles and squares where mouse is inferior for most people. only because it's different for you it doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, and in fact most of the people who bought a tablet got better at jumps and movement overall almost instantly.

so in 99% of the cases, yes, a tablet is like buying movement and jumpskills.

and tapx is a lot harder to learn than keyboardstreaming, and your acc won't be as good as the acc of a keyboardstreamer unless you are really good with tapx.
PhiLL A
PhiLL A

Tanzklaue wrote:

Aqo wrote:

why is this still going even now
Buy tablet get good at jumps yeah right more like buy tablet get bad at small circles and lines and squares. mouse > tablet at snapping.

and flow/stream movement is exactly the same with both when you get used to it

if anything tablet makes you better at streaming. tapx race too stronk
tablet makes you better at aiming and jumps, especially on small circles and squares where mouse is inferior for most people. only because it's different for you it doesn't mean it's like that for everyone, and in fact most of the people who bought a tablet got better at jumps and movement overall almost instantly.

so in 99% of the cases, yes, a tablet is like buying movement and jumpskills.

and tapx is a lot harder to learn than keyboardstreaming, and your acc won't be as good as the acc of a keyboardstreamer unless you are really good with tapx.
I think Aqo meant that mouse is better than tablet for jumps because snapping is a lot better and easier with mouse.
Aqo
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The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
I played with a mouse at low DPI (800) before switching to tablet, but I didn't get better at all :(
PhiLL A
PhiLL A
The thing is, mouse play takes more skill and more practice than tablet from what I've seen. At least for me, tablet learning curve was much steeper than mouse learning curve
LoGo
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LoGo

MxG PhiLL wrote:

The thing is, mouse play takes more skill and more practice than tablet from what I've seen. At least for me, tablet learning curve was much steeper than mouse learning curve
More practice? please... look at my play count, when i joined and what i achieved(started playing with tablet sep 11)... You can achieve same things with any play style, what matters is how determined you are and talent. If all you do is whine(im not saying that you do that) how easy it is to play with tablet by not even trying it(and when most people try it they understand that it's completely not easy) then you gonna end up buying it \:D/.
Look at Kakusi(now Shizuru-) he joined this year and already owns 99% people here... or other mouse players Silvia,Beatrice even Niko- is now playing with mouse...
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu
Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings :?
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet? :x

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me :o :o
GoldenWolf
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Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings :?
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet? :x

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me :o :o

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kriers
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kriers
oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't stream =/
jesse1412
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jesse1412

kriers wrote:

oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't stream =/
Oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't accuracy =/
Emaal
Emaal

jesus1412 wrote:

kriers wrote:

oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't stream =/
Oh yeah? I've played for 2,5 years and I still can't accuracy =/
Oh yeah? I've played for 3,5 years and I still can't play good. =/
winber1
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winber1
Emaal best

#1 osu
LoGo
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LoGo

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings :?
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet? :x

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me :o :o
Streaming is easiest thing in this game, what can be hard is high bpm streams(220+) or accuracy on slow ones(but with time you kinda feel each tap so it's not that hard)
Answer me, what is so hard in pressing button which stays on place all the time???
From your words i can clearly see that you never used tablet, playing with tablet brings a lot of things which can't be fixed in short period... For example grip if you are comfortable with grip which allows you move 1x1cm big area you are pretty much screwed. One more thing, corners i think that's the "best" place for all tablet players.
Kanye West
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Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
kriers
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kriers
I'd play tablet too if I didn’t have this much muscle memory and my hand didn't feel like dying from a few hours of tablet usage.

also puraido.
Ohrami
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Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
The only reason why some people think mouse is worse is because they suck and don't know how to get their setting properly configured. Tablet is easier to just "jump into", whereas mouse requires more knowledge.
LoGo
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LoGo

Kanye West wrote:

Aqo wrote:

The only reason people "get better when they buy tablet" is because those people tried playing with high dpi and acceleration and suddenly the full tablet area with absolute positioning made them more accurate "like magic". Low DPI mouse does everything tablet does and better unless your mouse is abysmally terrible.
Wrong, tablet is objectively better for aiming and jumping (coming from someone who switched from 400 DPI mouse to tablet). Absolute tracking with tablet means that there is a point on the tablet area for every hitcircle (hence defined jump paths) whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory.

I was already equal to my mouse jumping ability within 24 hours of tablet play and am now miles better with tablet.

tl;dr - buy tablet, become cookiezi
That absolute tracking also fucks up everything when you need small movement or hard patterns(its hard to explain but you end up pressing in wrong places or smth). And what you mean by whereas with a mouse, you only learn to jump through practice and muscle memory to move pen you also need muscles besides if you are hovering then you need even higher precision because you can't feel anything in the air whereas with a mouse, you move on actual surface.
　　　　　　　　
Also from my experience even after ~5 months with tablet, 1 day was enough to fc easy hard with mouse but i always was making random miss with tablet.
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kriers
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kriers
lol logo trying to say tablet is hard wwwwwww
thelewa
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thelewa
He's just saying that a mouse is better for small movements such as in this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19691

That's a map that really is a thousand times easier for mouse players to DT fc.
Aqo
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Aqo
It's true tho, not only for weird line patterns and stuff
doing fullscreen 1/2 jumps on 200bpm or higher on CS5 with tablet is hard as hell because of hovering, you end up missing between the jumps. you need to practice being super steady with the hand that holds the pen

meanwhile with mouse it's easy to land exactly on the the circles as long as you moved in the right direction and you have enough speed. stuff like those diamonds on atama is a nightmare with tablet and with mouse it's like a free +combo

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
Hanyuu
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Hanyuu

LoGo wrote:

Hanyuu wrote:

Practicing stream is harder than getting good tablet settings :?
I dont know what you guys problem is. Streaming is harder, if you got a tablet and cant aim there is your problem and its not about flow or jumps or whatever words you make up its only pointing the cursor in the right place and its super easy with tablet? :x

Learning to aim harder than pressing so many clicks in little time.. you got to be kidding me :o :o
Streaming is easiest thing in this game, what can be hard is high bpm streams(220+) or accuracy on slow ones(but with time you kinda feel each tap so it's not that hard)
Answer me, what is so hard in pressing button which stays on place all the time???
From your words i can clearly see that you never used tablet, playing with tablet brings a lot of things which can't be fixed in short period... For example grip if you are comfortable with grip which allows you move 1x1cm big area you are pretty much screwed. One more thing, corners i think that's the "best" place for all tablet players.
Whats so hard pressing a button that stays in place well.. its pretty damn fast and you need to train your fingers so ridiculously that you can press this fast and keep this endurance for the long streams . Also i played tablet by tapping for half a year and then afterwards i switched to kb pressing. it is not hard at all and if you cant move in a 1x1cm big area (well thats a joke i think but anyways) you can adjust with resolution or gameplay area. <-- thats why i said about tablet settings in my earlier post. also those "feared" corner things squares whatever. it does not really matter. the game is just about aim and hit in time. however the pattern may look or where notes are placed it doesnt matter really. anyways my opinion still stands and the topic title is: Which is more important? Cursor movement or Streaming... for me definitely streaming since yeah,you can get a good movement alot easier :?
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
If we could get good at movements alot easier, we should see a tons of new cookiezi everywhere.
Streaming is definitively easier.
winber1
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winber1

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
inb4 peppy now sells osu!-mice instead of tablets.
silmarilen
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silmarilen
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro
Kanye West
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Kanye West

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
QFT lol

And if you're having a hard time with small cursor movements, use a bigger tablet area. 'nuff said. Like I said before, if you miss notes with a tablet, you objectively suck.
Distant years
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Distant years
i think movement is more important because with bad aim you cant get the movement in the streams right

and you can improve faster in streaming
buny
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buny
ITT: preferences
zhurai
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zhurai

winber1 wrote:

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/150406&m=0
the first few seconds on this map
with mouse it's really easy
with tablet it's like buuuuuutttfuuuuuck
how is that any easier for mouse.

it's pretty damn easy on tablet anyways. trollololol
I couldn't click on any of those beats.
and I'm a mouse user lol.
silmarilen
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silmarilen

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences
wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the title
buny
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buny

silmarilen wrote:

buny wrote:

ITT: preferences
wasnt that the whole purpose of this topic? looking at the title
I just wanted to remind everyone that people have different views on certain things.
CXu
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CXu

silmarilen wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/4548
339 combo with mouse /pro
Mesita.
Kalle_old_1
Kalle_old_1

silmarilen wrote:

people who are good at streaming will say movement is more important and people who are good at movement say streaming is more important
since i am good at movement (compared to streaming) i will say streaming is more important
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