adam2046 wrote:

I hope you're looking at the right PM...

No, I didn't look at yours. ;P

I can't find anywhere where Bagelbob attacks SFG.. link/quote?

okay let me look at all pertienent BagelBob posts cus i dont remember being attacked by him



tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o (here as well as at bottom cus this is a hugeass post


"I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!" <-- not really an attack on me, or really serious.

"strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

parody wrote:
Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.

Also, no one should be getting pissed off right now. There hasn't been enough time for anyone to act super-suspicious, so votes at this point don't really mean much.

Oh, and I'm CDT (gmt-5). But I have a weird schedule." <--- looks like hes accusing strager a little bit but nothing more


"I'm sorry, I must have missed it.

Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?

Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.

Also, I'd have to agree that it was just kuu raging. Maybe some time away from these games will do him good. And whare be An SFG?" <--- no accusation

BagelBob wrote:

Echo wrote:
edit:
note to everyone: I've probably made just as many posts as strager has. If I can pick holes in strager's arguments and claims, then any lies, inconsistencies or logical fallacies I've made should also be just as evident. I encourage you to through and confirm or deny, for yourself, the authenticity of my train of thought.


Well, if you insist.

Echo wrote:
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.

I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.

I've never heard of this rule. Furthermore, I feel as though you're putting words in his mouth. He never claimed to be the cop, and you were the first person who said he was the doc.


Also, I'd like to point out.
Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role.
viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874
Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.
viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180

Thus, I repeat

BagelBob wrote:
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?



However, I don't want to give the wrong idea. I agree with most of the things you've said about strager(one disagreement is that when he gives up, you think that's more scummy while I think it doesn't show anything but fatigue while another is that I'd like to give him more credit than doubt for backing off his claim that he should consider adam town for the day rather than have him continue pushing that adam is still town). But everything else looks right on the money.

I'd also like to add
strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.


Oh, and Derekuu-Chan, this is a summery, not a suspicion list. However, I feel that I should apologize. I forgot that sarcasm can't be conveyed over the internets.
When I said before
BagelBob wrote:
I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!

It was in response to
kuu wrote:
I FORGOT AM I INVITED HERE---OH RIGHT IT'S THE WOLF GAME IM NOT IN.

Where I meant to show that kuu was lying about being in the game. Trying to stay low on the radar or just being kuu? I'll never know.

And any parodies I do are for my own amusement. If they should happen to point out a newbie mistake that could be a scum-tell, so be it.

this looks more like an attack on ECHO than anything else, and a defense on strager

BagelBob wrote:

First, I want to finish up what I started.
I believe this is the full list concerning the doktor.

s: The Doctor PM says "If your protection is successful" -- does this mean the protection can fail? Or does it mean that the protection fails if the Mafia did not target the person you targeted?
E: Doesn't that mean you're doctor >.>
E: dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
s: D= I didn't mean to.
E: strager hasn't even role claimed - I said he was doctor
D: Sounds like he confirmed it to me. >_>
E: That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.
E: First, you claim an important role.
E: Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.
E: First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed. The real doctor wouldn't have wanted to expose himself - he'd die night 1 and the whole town would be in a bit of trouble.
BB: Echo, could you post where strager role claims?
E: viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263 (s: D= I didn't mean to.)
When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.

What I learned from all of this is that I didn't read thoroughly enough. It turns out that that second time that Echo says firstly, he expands it to say that he did admit the claim soon. The only part that isn't exactly consistent now is "That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion", but that's negligible.

Result: strager has claimed to be the doc (by which I mean that I won't say it's too suspicious)

Also, FOS, is a Finger of Suspicion. It's a way of saying that you think someone is a candidate for lynching, but not as strong as a vote.(feel free to say I'm wrong about the weight, Echo, you are the one who used it)

strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.

This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.

I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!

However, I do like the idea of a fake-claim of the doktor, like I thought Suburu and kuu were doing in WW2. I've seen it work before, and I know it has the potential to be really great.

strager wrote:

----------

Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.

I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?

lulz @ adam for the Monty Python reference

I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.

However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.

he's still arguing over strager and Echo


ok fuck the text walls im going to start only pulling the pertinent stuff

"this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.

Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?"
directing suspicion on strager


"...Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic."
again, attacking strager



"I meant to get mad at Olinad. You said that you were busy on weekdays, but that you would post Saturday. You show up Sunday, say you've read the thread, and then nothing. Post your thoughts, your opinions. Isn't there anything you want to say?

Nardii, what's up with you, did you forget about us?

0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier? You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut? I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor? If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member? I'm not saying you have to vote for either one, but it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole mess.

SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?"
no specific attack on any one person, just a lot of suggestions for leading discussion


"From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?

This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.

A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell. In addition, scum might try and keep a claimed-doctor alive in order that not being night killed sets them up for a lynch later on. There could be any number of reasons going through a scum's head.


Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case."
attacking strager


"nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor."
attacking strager


"
I call BS, you meant to claim your roll. I was in the IRC with you before the game started. You could have sent your question as a PM to Suburu. You could have easily said that you were just curious. While lies generally do not help the town, the doctor role-claiming on the first day is worse.

Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?

Neither of those two pieces of code deals with our set-up. Why are you wasting time with things that don't apply? You can code all day, but when you get down to it, we aren't lynching someone at random. All that code does is consume time and block discussion."
attacking strager


"20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people"
attacking strager


"strager wrote:
One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.

To put this simply, I don't believe you. "
attacking strager


"strager wrote:
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):

Would you care to contradict yourself again?"
attacking strager


"For one, I wasn't talking about our game on the IRC. I was telling strager that his comments didn't apply to our game.
For another, I refuse to read strager and derekuu's conversation on the IRC."
attacking strager and Derekku


"With SFG having switched to believing strager(at least for now), there aren't enough votes to lynch strager.
Regarding the decision between adam and nardi:

Adam has been here since the beginning of the game. He first voted for strager in a random vote, but then when strager started to act suspicious, he stated his thoughts and has since continued posting and keeping up with the game.

nardi, on the other hand, showed up for a little bit and voted strager without adding anything new. He has since posted a few times, but mostly just says he doesn't know what to think, that he's in the middle of the road, despite still voting for strager.
Thus, for bandwagoning and lurking, I

Unvote: strager
Vote: nardi"
standpoint on strager is very obvious


"When you say "his buddy" who are you referring to? (nardi is "a Mafia" in that sentence, yes?)

Also, I don't want to lynch him before he gets a chance to speak so
Unvote Nardi"
attacking strager (strager is the "you")


"I'm sorry, I read that wrong.

"If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses."
This reasoning escapes me so much, I must have changed Mafia loses to Town loses just to keep my sanity."
attacking strager


"Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?

0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.

and I think Echo said "Thank you very much," but I'm not sure."
him = strager. not really talking much


"0_o, I think you said you're voting for nardi. Do you have any reasons for the vote, or is it just bandwagoning?"
prodding 0_o


"Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor."
questioning 0_o


"Maybe I phrased my question in a way that you didn't understand.

What is the difference between Echo, nardi, and adam that makes nardi and adam acceptable candidates for lynch and Echo not?
Also, as for quitting, both a townie and a mafia can quit, that shouldn't be a tell for anything, and he would lie for the same reason any mafia would lie."
logic


"nardi, anything else you want to say? At this point, you might want to get out what you want to say while you can...

Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.

Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?"
prompting speech


"Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?"
attacking strager


"Glad to see all of us are on the same page. Unfortunately, on his own, all 0_o has done is buddy with strager. And from what he says, I think that he's still kind of on the middle of the road you two.

I'd be less inclined to vote for nardi if he participated more, so I could get a better read on him."
attacking strager and 0_o


"0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.

Maybe that's what you meant?"
attacking 0_o


"Well, this would have been great, if you had actually posted during those times when other people were inactive, but we've heard from you twice now, and the second time we had to put you at L-1 to do it. Maybe if you had kept posting, like adam did, you would have been in a better position.

Olinad, it's understandable that people do things other than play osu, but you said at the beginning that you would be busy on weekdays but you would post on Saturday. Come Sunday, you show up and say "brb" and we don't hear from you again until Thursday? If you need out, say something now."
you = nardi, prompting people to talk


then he died. And now strager is trying to say he was attacking me. HELLO strager, lrn2read please.


tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o

vote strager
FOS 0_o

Damnit, I think I made a mistake.

I know someone was questioning SFG, but I guess it wasn't BagelBob.

Unvote until I find out who it was (or I'm convinced to vote for someone else).

strager wrote:

Damnit, I think I made a mistake.

I know someone was questioning SFG, but I guess it wasn't BagelBob.

Unvote until I find out who it was (or I'm convinced to vote for someone else).

nice try. Do you even bother reading the thread before deciding which villager to kill off today, or were you just hoping no one would notice that you were dead wrong.



Edit:
<strager|irc> lol apparently I used his death as an excuse to vote for SFG
<strager|irc> wtf xD
<strager|irc> I don't even remember that

Oh oh! It might have been me!

More clear:

#forumshit wrote:

19:33 < SFG|Rh> hey Subi can i ask BagelBob if i summarized his posts correctly or is that a no-no
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: In M2?
19:33 < SFG|Rh> yeah
19:33 < BagelBob> and can I ask who the mafiosi are?
19:33 < BagelBob> I'm dead anyway
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: As long as no one notices you misquoted everything you're fine =]
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: Misquotes (intentional or not) are legal if that's what you're asking
19:33 < SFG|Rh> misquoted everything?
19:33 < strager|irc> Was kidding
19:34 < SFG|Rh> i was gonna say
19:34 < strager|irc> Not sure why you would think it'd be illegal otherwise though
19:34 < SFG|Rh> how do you misquote with ctrl-v
19:34 < BagelBob> I was gonna say, discussion needs to take place in the thread
19:34 < SFG|Rh> because Bobby is dead
19:34 < BagelBob> Oops, sorry adam
19:34 < BagelBob> I need to kill a "Spirit Dragon"
19:34 < BagelBob> I think spirit implies that it's already dead
19:34 < adam2046> oh
19:34 < LadySuburu> Yeah, you can't ask bobby. If you did something wrong leave it to the others to find it and
point it out
19:34 < LadySuburu> lol
19:34 < adam2046> <caps>motherfucker!</caps>
19:35 < strager|irc> Oh BagelBob's dead?
19:35 < adam2046> runningrunningruninng
19:35 < LadySuburu> @strager: Did you skip the deathscene entirely?
19:35 < strager|irc> eh?
19:35 < LadySuburu> Did you even notice D1 ended?
19:35 < LadySuburu> and N1?
19:35 < BagelBob> fasdf
19:35 < strager|irc> x___________x
19:36 < strager|irc> lol apparently I used his death as an excuse to vote for SFG
19:36 < strager|irc> wtf xD
19:36 < strager|irc> I don't even remember that
19:36 < strager|irc> gah
19:36 < SFG|Rh> of course
19:36 < strager|irc> Well I don't remember voting for him
19:36 < SFG|Rh> strager is digging his hole deeper and deeper
19:37 < strager|irc> I saw your post SFG
19:37 < SFG|Rh> i just posted again
19:37 < strager|irc> yeah saw

Sorry for the confusion. I don't drink but something must have happened. =S I'll be quiet now.

Oh, and this:

#forumshit wrote:

19:39 < SFG|Rh> if strager isnt mafia ill eat my hat

She didn't use punctuation! It doesn't count!

I've decided to reinstate the rule against discussing the game outside the thread.

Any discussion about this game outside of the thread from here on will be in violation of the rules.

I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.

Also,

Bagelbob wrote:

0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.

Maybe that's what you meant?

This was directed at strager in response to him misreading/misquoting a post of mine (not an attack)

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

0_o wrote:

I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.

i was summarizing his intent in each post. i didnt include responses because the point of all that was to analyze the Bobbys-eye-view of the game. Which happened to be pointing straight at straiger when he died, despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME

I didn't insist.

And this is where I was confused earlier.

All I said was this:

strager wrote:

BagelBob was most suspicious of SFG, which may mean SFG killed him.

And a response:

0_o wrote:

I can't find anywhere where Bagelbob attacks SFG.. link/quote?

SFG may have mistaken me by 0_o's comment.

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

I don't either.

Then again I'm confused as it is.

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

I don't either.

maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? inno

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? inno

Uh, what?

nardi isn't a Mafia, so adam cannot be his Mafia mate. So that reason doesn't make sense.

...
really guys...

0_o wrote:

And I'm voting for nardi because as I've already said

0_o wrote:

EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.

I'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.

and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?

and again, I have my reasons for not voting Echo yet.

0_o wrote:

and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?

0_o, adam, Derekku, Echo, Olinad, SFG, strager. BagelBob's gone too.

</troll>

I totally forgot about my whole bandwagon idea. I'm just really relieved I didn't get killed, and at the same time am very pressured by others because I'm a hugeass target.

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

strager wrote:

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

woah, what? where did that come from?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

woah, what? where did that come from?

he's um. trying to lynch you instead of himself, apparently. maybe he thinks that turning on his mafia buddy will clear him.

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Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.

I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?

0_o wrote:

Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.

I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?

easy. you two are in the mafia together. he realized hes about to die so hes trying to free you cus if you win its still a mafia win. youre acting clueless to throw us off.

Votecount 1:

strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
adam2046 - 1 (0_o)
0_o - 1 (strager)

Not Voting - 3 (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)

THIS IS NOT A VOTE

I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. Please say which of the two you would vote for (ie. who do you think is more likely to be mafia) and some sort of reason as to why, preferably backed up with evidence (but not necessary). If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.

I'd also like adam to reiterate or point out the post(s) that explain why you're still voting for strager.

I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on L-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.

THIS IS NOT A VOTE

Echo wrote:

I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.

I believe i made my position on strager crystal clear - i am completely convinced that he is mafia and im wondering a bit why you're defending him now. I mentally cleared adam when nardi was cleared (by lynch, sadly...i should have stuck with my original vote for strager), although he still falls under the "i dont know what to make of you" kind of suspicion.

I am fairly sure 0_o is strager's partner in crime, however i still believe there is a possibility that hes just a highly misled citizen. stragers recent attack on him is a bit confusing and i believe i stated my thoughts on it in an earlier post.


for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?

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I'm voting for strager purely based on how he has acted the entire game, I haven't seen many posts by him that actually make me less suspicious of him.
I've also had a feeling since I first seriously voted strager that Derek was his buddy, but that might be paranoia.

...Why are people suspicious of me anyway? I don't think anyone has actually brought any valid points up against me(at least not that I remember...)

adam: would you vote derekku or 0_o if you had to pick one of the two, and why?

Yep I guess today I'll do something new and try to show a bit of thinking from my side.
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

So I guess I'll vote SFG

If I had to, I would probably vote Derekku since he seems to subtley be all buddy budddy with strager in this game...hmm actually
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.

Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.

I'm finally throwing my vote down.

Vote. Echo.

*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*

I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.

If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)

Too bored...

...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.

Thanks adam, I'm waiting for derekku's and sfg's responses now, feel free to continue with whatever other discussion that may cross your mind.

Echo wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?

My mistake, fixed. So you would pick 0_o over adam? Can you show me what makes you think that adam must be paired with nardi?

the reason adam and nardi were under heightened suspicion in the first place was because of strager's bandwagon theory - a point which is entirely moot now that i know that strager is mafia and nardi is not. i also, i must confess, have not gone back to do a post study of adam to try and move him back off of the default suspicion again. perhaps i should do that after church.


0_o on the other hand has made like 90% of his posts in defense of strager. Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments? at least thats the feel i got from them. It looks to me like hes trying to defend strager but doesnt know how, and i personally say that a VILLAGER should always know why theyre defending someone before they actually start defending them. Since 0_o apparently didnt, i strongly suspect that he more than any other player is likely to be strager's accomplace.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

What I think about the other players in no particular order

Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good. I'm not sure what to think atm~

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/

0_o wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

lol the reason the "?" was there is cus i dont remember specifics, lemme go back and look


"We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent " <--- lol i found an emotional argument but it wasnt talking about strager really lemme keep looking


"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."


"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."


"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"

thats prolly enough

Derekku wrote:

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

Echo asked me what i thought about adam. what ive said is basically that i dont particularly suspect him but i also havent done my research on him yet

Since everyone else seems to be doing this I'll do it myself, in the order I want to say something.

Echo
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me. I can only think of two reasons:

He is a Mafia and will kill me later. This doesn't seem to convincing for me.
He is a Cop and looked at my role last Night, and realizes I am not a Mafia.

Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?

adam
He seems to be random voting today, and generally playing with everyone because of that. I doubt that means he's a Mafia but of course that can't be ruled out.

0_o
Until you explain why you're not considering Echo as a Mafia I'm keeping my vote on you as some pressure. I know why you are defending me, and I am grateful, but as I said before sometimes you defend me when I don't need to be defended (TODO: find references; I may be wrong).

Olinad
Of course Olinad's latest post is only to make sure another nardi incident doesn't happen again, so it's impossible to determine if he's a Mafia or a Townie just by him posting.

But let's look inside his post.

Olinad wrote:

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it.

I didn't cover myself up because that'd be a Mafia tell I think.

Olinad wrote:

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

Confusion is encouraged by the Mafia I believe. I know I've been confusing but that's by my nature I guess. (If you've spoke to me IRL...) Staying away from the confusion ... I don't know how to take that myself. Whatever; this part doesn't lead me anywhere.

Olinad wrote:

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

In his defense he really hasn't been attacked with a convincing argument.

Olinad wrote:

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

Indeed; see below.

adam wrote:

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

Neither I but he seems to be arousing confusion a bit, though I just think he's being playful.

0_o wrote:

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

Nothing else to say for him?

SFG
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Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?

Derekku
I'll just go through his latest post.

Derekku Chan wrote:

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

lol at point 1.

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

He defends me because he believes me. He also believes in my bandwagon theory, as he has stated, and is most of the reason he's voting for adam.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went...

Hmm, I wonder who pushed the vote on nardi for that.

Derekku Chan wrote:

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

What hasn't been suspicious about adam, really? He's said a whole lot of nothing lately, IMO.