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I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.Derekku Chan wrote:
I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.
I'm finally throwing my vote down.
Vote. Echo.
*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*
the reason adam and nardi were under heightened suspicion in the first place was because of strager's bandwagon theory - a point which is entirely moot now that i know that strager is mafia and nardi is not. i also, i must confess, have not gone back to do a post study of adam to try and move him back off of the default suspicion again. perhaps i should do that after church.Echo wrote:
My mistake, fixed. So you would pick 0_o over adam? Can you show me what makes you think that adam must be paired with nardi?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?
Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?
0_o wrote:
Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?
Echo asked me what i thought about adam. what ive said is basically that i dont particularly suspect him but i also havent done my research on him yetDerekku wrote:
SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-
I didn't cover myself up because that'd be a Mafia tell I think.Olinad wrote:
*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it.
Confusion is encouraged by the Mafia I believe. I know I've been confusing but that's by my nature I guess. (If you've spoke to me IRL...) Staying away from the confusion ... I don't know how to take that myself. Whatever; this part doesn't lead me anywhere.Olinad wrote:
*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.
In his defense he really hasn't been attacked with a convincing argument.Olinad wrote:
*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really
Indeed; see below.Olinad wrote:
*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.
Neither I but he seems to be arousing confusion a bit, though I just think he's being playful.adam wrote:
*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious
Nothing else to say for him?0_o wrote:
*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.
lol at point 1.Derekku Chan wrote:
I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.
He defends me because he believes me. He also believes in my bandwagon theory, as he has stated, and is most of the reason he's voting for adam.Derekku Chan wrote:
0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.
Hmm, I wonder who pushed the vote on nardi for that.Derekku Chan wrote:
Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went...
What hasn't been suspicious about adam, really? He's said a whole lot of nothing lately, IMO.Derekku Chan wrote:
adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum
"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."iirc this was in response to strager wondering why I wasn't voting Echo when I was defending him. And it's true, I thought Echo was wrong about strager, but just because I don't agree with someone's reasoning doesn't necessarily mean I think they are mafia.
"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."I'll admit, there wasn't a lot (or any) of hard evidence here. It was the first day, and we didn't have a lot to go on (and I already said I wasn't voting strager). So yes, this was mainly random/instincts.
"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"Pretty much this The only people who really got any attention conversation-wise was strager and Echo. There was little to no evidence against anyone else, so I didn't want to vote for either of them, then all I really had to go on was intuition.
Can you respond to what I said elsewhere in that post you responded to?0_o wrote:
It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.
strager wrote:
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.
Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.strager wrote:
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.
Well this was the tip-off:0_o wrote:
Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.strager wrote:
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.
Echo wrote:
I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on L-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.
I said that because I was sick of the arguing back and forth. Now I see that I shouldn't have posted that and I was just raging that night because I wasn't feeling good. Like I said earlier, I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager. I'm very suspicious of him just like most of us are.adam2046 wrote:
If I had to, I would probably vote Derekku since he seems to subtly be all buddy buddy with strager in this game...hmm actually
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.
Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.Derekku Chan wrote:
I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.
I'm finally throwing my vote down.
Vote. Echo.
*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*
If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)
Too bored...
...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.
After rereading, I'm going with adam.Echo wrote:
Derekku, you missed this post. Please answer this question:
Out of adam and 0_o, who would you vote and why?
D=Derekku Chan wrote:
I'm not "buddy buddy" with strager.
I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.Derekku Chan wrote:
In this post, I said that I wasn't suspicious of adam. I said that because he hasn't said a whole lot, but now that I think about it, that only makes him MORE suspicious.
I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.Derekku Chan wrote:
He has hardly backed up any of his claims at all. What started off as a random vote against strager quickly turned into some sort of plan. Every time he has voted for strager, he's acted like strager is just another person instead of scum.
I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?Derekku Chan wrote:
If adam is mafia, then this fits. His goal is to eliminate all townies, which makes strager one too (save his possible aux role). I've hardly seen anything useful from adam's posts. 0_o, Echo, SFG, strager, and myself all defend our accusations on others and accusations against ourselves.
nardi barely posted at all. But I meant: Whenever adam posts, it's nothing useful.strager wrote:
I see how far that reasoning went with nardi.
Exactly. adam keeps saying over and over that you're "suspicious", but hasn't backed it up with anything of his own. At least Echo had arguments.strager wrote:
I guess that is true. If I recall his reasoning for voting for me yesterday was because I was suspicious and Echo had a convincing argument.
What I said above in this post =)strager wrote:
I still don't see how this makes adam a Mafia. Can you try explaining in a different way?
I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.strager wrote:
Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?
Eh, so you're claiming Cop? Because you say you know something about me.Echo wrote:
I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.strager wrote:
Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?
I'm not. I'm trying to find out why Derekku says he is a Mafia. Maybe I'm just missing something in his logic, but it seems as if he's giving bogus reasoning.Echo wrote:
edit: strager, why are you suddenly so defensive of adam?
That doesn't mean you know unless you trust.Echo wrote:
I never claimed anything of that sort. I know more about you than anyone else because I focussed only on you yesterday?strager wrote:
Eh, so you're claiming Cop? Because you say you know something about me.Echo wrote:
I realise I don't know enough about anyone other than you, since I spent too much of yesterday focussing on only one person. I'm just trying to salvage as much information as I can.
I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.0_o wrote:
I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day
Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?strager wrote:
I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.0_o wrote:
I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day
Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.
Because he probably isn't the cop. >_> Like strager said, I think cop can only do something at night 1.0_o wrote:
Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?strager wrote:
I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.0_o wrote:
I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day
Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.
That's what I saidDerekku Chan wrote:
Because he probably isn't the cop. >_>
I know and I was agreeing with you ^_^0_o wrote:
That's what I saidDerekku Chan wrote:
Because he probably isn't the cop. >_>
He tried to get me killed because he was a Mafia. If I were a Mafia he probably thought I would kill him. In that case, he wouldn't have the chance to use his ability.0_o wrote:
Yeah, but why would he have made such a case against you the first day if all he had to do to know for sure was wait till the next day?strager wrote:
I thought the Doctor can only investigate at Night.0_o wrote:
I don't think Echo is cop; if he was he probably would have investigated you before accusing you all day
Thus Echo may have investigated me at Night and saw I was the Doctor, thus getting off my case.
That still doesn't explain why you think he is a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
@strager: I'm just saying that adam has been using baseless accusations against you other than "you're suspicious".
True, but that makes adam more suspicious / likely to be a Mafia. That doesn't make him a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
@strager: Well, we don't really have anything to go on. Something is better than nothing.
I meant to say, why don't you help me lynch 0_o, if you think he's a Mafia? (I think you misread "with" as "as well as.")Saturos-fangirl wrote:
if you'd bother reading my other posts, 1. i FOS'd 0_o 2. i cant vote for two people at the same time 3. i still think there is a chance that 0_o is some poor misguided human soul.strager wrote:
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Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?
I have to admit I forgot for a second I voted for you (I just recalled my unvote), and I forgot BagelBob was dead. After a reread though I realized I had made a mistake.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
again, if you bother reading my other posts and for that matter some of the things strager says ("HEY lets go accuse SFG of murdering Bobby cus yknow he was TOTALLY attacking her (plus she actually bothers reading and thinking so that makes her dangerous)...oh shit she caught me lets pretend i didnt know i was voting for her *whistle*")