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Yes it is a loss. That's one Night the Mafia has to waste their kill on.Derekku Chan wrote:
But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<
I doubt your Mafia buddy would kill you, and I doubt today we'll lynch you. You'll have your chance to lynch your own friend someday.Echo wrote:
I just fear I won't be around to lynch a mafia :X
That reasoning goes both ways really. That is, he could be a major asset to the Mafia.0_o wrote:
Echo is coming out very strongly this game, and while he does have that level of suspicion, he can also be very useful if he is pro-town. I don't want to lynch him yet because the potential of Echo being a strong asset for the town is greater than my suspicion that he is mafia.
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
Because you know things we don't I'm more inclined to think you are a Mafia.0_o wrote:
There are a few more specific reasons that I don't want to lynch Echo yet, but I can't say them here because I don't want these reasons to be visible to the mafia.
strager wrote:
That reasoning goes both ways really. That is, he could be a major asset to the Mafia.0_o wrote:
Echo is coming out very strongly this game, and while he does have that level of suspicion, he can also be very useful if he is pro-town. I don't want to lynch him yet because the potential of Echo being a strong asset for the town is greater than my suspicion that he is mafia.
That's true, but again I have other reasons for keeping him around that I can't let the mafia be aware of.So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.Because you know things we don't I'm more inclined to think you are a Mafia.0_o wrote:
There are a few more specific reasons that I don't want to lynch Echo yet, but I can't say them here because I don't want these reasons to be visible to the mafia.
Unless you discovered these reasons through real reasoning, of course.
I don't have evidence per se, but theories of how the mafia will behave (not on how they are behaving now). I obviously can't openly discuss these theories, because the mafia of course will see them and act accordingly.
I see that, but it wasn't in that one sentence (only Echo was) so I got a bit suspicious...0_o wrote:
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.
That's because Bagelbob was only asking about Echo, nardi and adam. I just threw you in as another example.strager wrote:
I see that, but it wasn't in that one sentence (only Echo was) so I got a bit suspicious...0_o wrote:
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.
Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?Echo wrote:
I think lynching nardi is a mistake.
I'm inclined to think too. 0_oEcho wrote:
I'm inclined to think 0_o
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
What? Proposing to lynch someone who isn't being grilled is scum tell? So you are saying that one should just agree with what the majority of people are saying... but oh wait, that's bandwagoning. And hey look, isn't that scum tell too?strager wrote:
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
I have to agree, though, and the buddying is kinda annoying. I understand you trust me but we don't have to be friends for that. ;PI'm not trying to be your bff, I'm trying to keep the person who is most likely to be the doctor alive
Actually I made a mistake. I must have misread what you wrote, because I don't really see how that'd be a Scum tell. =S0_o wrote:
What? Proposing to lynch someone who isn't being grilled is scum tell? So you are saying that one should just agree with what the majority of people are saying... but oh wait, that's bandwagoning. And hey look, isn't that scum tell too?strager wrote:
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
He was exaggerating.BagelBob wrote:
Maybe that's what you meant?0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
What are your other reasons? This isn't a reason itself, really. Forum "conversations" are not real-time and anyone may contribute at any time. Just ignore the timestamps.nardi11011 wrote:
2. One of the reasons I don't post too much is because most of the actual "conversations" happen at times when I'm unable to reply. So all I can do is post my opinion after reading everything that has been said, which hasn't changed much.
I'm smart? xDnardi11011 wrote:
My suspicion for strager comes from the fact that while he seems like a smart guy, a lot of his posts have been pretty vague and I think it's stupid to admit your role on the first day.
I don't know why I myselfadam2046 wrote:
Still voting strager
Well, duh, if you think I'm a Mafia. But of course I don't even consider that.adam2046 wrote:
I can think of another~
No, I didn't look at yours. ;Padam2046 wrote:
I hope you're looking at the right PM...
BagelBob wrote:
Echo wrote:
edit:
note to everyone: I've probably made just as many posts as strager has. If I can pick holes in strager's arguments and claims, then any lies, inconsistencies or logical fallacies I've made should also be just as evident. I encourage you to through and confirm or deny, for yourself, the authenticity of my train of thought.
Well, if you insist.
Echo wrote:
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.
I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.
I've never heard of this rule. Furthermore, I feel as though you're putting words in his mouth. He never claimed to be the cop, and you were the first person who said he was the doc.
Also, I'd like to point out.
Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role.
viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874
Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.
viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180
Thus, I repeat
BagelBob wrote:
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
However, I don't want to give the wrong idea. I agree with most of the things you've said about strager(one disagreement is that when he gives up, you think that's more scummy while I think it doesn't show anything but fatigue while another is that I'd like to give him more credit than doubt for backing off his claim that he should consider adam town for the day rather than have him continue pushing that adam is still town). But everything else looks right on the money.
I'd also like to add
strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.
That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.
Oh, and Derekuu-Chan, this is a summery, not a suspicion list. However, I feel that I should apologize. I forgot that sarcasm can't be conveyed over the internets.
When I said before
BagelBob wrote:
I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!
It was in response to
kuu wrote:
I FORGOT AM I INVITED HERE---OH RIGHT IT'S THE WOLF GAME IM NOT IN.
Where I meant to show that kuu was lying about being in the game. Trying to stay low on the radar or just being kuu? I'll never know.
And any parodies I do are for my own amusement. If they should happen to point out a newbie mistake that could be a scum-tell, so be it.
BagelBob wrote:
First, I want to finish up what I started.
I believe this is the full list concerning the doktor.
s: The Doctor PM says "If your protection is successful" -- does this mean the protection can fail? Or does it mean that the protection fails if the Mafia did not target the person you targeted?
E: Doesn't that mean you're doctor >.>
E: dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
s: D= I didn't mean to.
E: strager hasn't even role claimed - I said he was doctor
D: Sounds like he confirmed it to me. >_>
E: That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.
E: First, you claim an important role.
E: Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.
E: First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed. The real doctor wouldn't have wanted to expose himself - he'd die night 1 and the whole town would be in a bit of trouble.
BB: Echo, could you post where strager role claims?
E: viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263 (s: D= I didn't mean to.)
When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.
What I learned from all of this is that I didn't read thoroughly enough. It turns out that that second time that Echo says firstly, he expands it to say that he did admit the claim soon. The only part that isn't exactly consistent now is "That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion", but that's negligible.
Result: strager has claimed to be the doc (by which I mean that I won't say it's too suspicious)
Also, FOS, is a Finger of Suspicion. It's a way of saying that you think someone is a candidate for lynching, but not as strong as a vote.(feel free to say I'm wrong about the weight, Echo, you are the one who used it)
strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!
However, I do like the idea of a fake-claim of the doktor, like I thought Suburu and kuu were doing in WW2. I've seen it work before, and I know it has the potential to be really great.
strager wrote:
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Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.
I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?
lulz @ adam for the Monty Python reference
I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.
However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.