I am quite definitley not relying on you, first time I heavily suspect you of being Mafia, I will lynch you.
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よろしくおねがいしま～す
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Please remember me IIRCnardi11011 wrote:
QFTEcho wrote:
よろしくおねがいしま～す
like i know what it means
Are you trying to be punny?nardi11011 wrote:
Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on strager as he just seems to be acting too strange to me.
Again, claiming Doctor was a mistake. I didn't mean to "risk dying" by doing it because I didn't mean to do it.nardi11011 wrote:
Especially his very first slip-up doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of his posts, as I don't see why someone would rather risk dying the first night than lie about their role.
Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?nardi11011 wrote:
Holy shit, 6 pages? I hate timezones. Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on strager as he just seems to be acting too strange to me. Especially his very first slip-up doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of his posts, as I don't see why someone would rather risk dying the first night than lie about their role. I don't see anyone else as overly suspicious, so I'm not changing my vote.
also,QFTEcho wrote:
よろしくおねがいしま～す
like i know what it means
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
and I think Echo said "Thank you very much," but I'm not sure.
I'm indifferent on whether we lynch nardi or adam, and nardi hasn't said anything that would convince me to change my vote, so for now, my vote stands.BagelBob wrote:
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
BagelBob was referring to this:0_o wrote:
I'm indifferent on whether we lynch nardi or adam, and nardi hasn't said anything that would convince me to change my vote, so for now, my vote stands.BagelBob wrote:
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
Please state CLEARLY who you are voting for.0_o wrote:
Funny, that's exactly what someone who is in the mafia would saystrager wrote:
I am not a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
That means you are mafia? :<
vote stra-
lol
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That vote for you was a joke, I obviously wouldn't defend you this whole time, then vote for you because you said you weren't mafia 
And I'm voting for nardi because as I've already said
And I'm voting for nardi because as I've already said
I'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.0_o wrote:
EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?0_o wrote:
That vote for you was a joke, I obviously wouldn't defend you this whole time, then vote for you because you said you weren't mafia
And I'm voting for him because as I've already saidI'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.0_o wrote:
EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor.
mod: I'd like to know how many hours until night (6pm what timezone?) and a vote count please.
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strager answered your question about Echo aboveBagelBob wrote:
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor.
As for SFG, I'm pretty sure this is the third time I've said this, but it's because kuwarudo complained he was a townie, quit, and was replaced my SFG. 1) I don't think he would quit if he was mafia, 2) why would he lie if he is quitting?
First of all, he's at L-2 - Bagelbob retracted his votestrager wrote:
0_o, IMO voting because of the number of votes on one's head isn't a good idea for a Townie (only a Mafia because a Mafia knows if he's lynching a Townie or not). If you are split between nardi and adam you'll need another reason to vote for one or the other. If you stick to your vote for nardi solely to keep him at L-1 without another reason I'm more incline to believe you are a Mafia. (This is supported by you avoiding voting on Echo.)
I'm not really split between them, I'm indifferent between them. I would be just as happy voting off adam as I would nardi. And since nardi is the more likely candidate right now, it would be pointless to vote for adam since that would just make it more difficult to lynch nardi, whom I believe is just as likely to be mafia as adam.
I hope that made sense?
BagelBob wrote:
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor.
to be fair, the first time i voted for strager i was trying to rush through things because id missed about seven pages of textwall arguments between Echo and strager. I hadn't actually read them in very much detail, i just wanted to ensure i got to vote. (I obviously hadnt checked when the deadline was either ._.)
Well, it is kuu...0_o wrote:
1) I don't think he would quit if he was mafia
I don't see a reason not to lie, other than wanting to be truthful.0_o wrote:
2) why would he lie if he is quitting?
strager wrote:
0_o, IMO voting because of the number of votes on one's head isn't a good idea for a Townie (only a Mafia because a Mafia knows if he's lynching a Townie or not). If you are split between nardi and adam you'll need another reason to vote for one or the other. If you stick to your vote for nardi solely to keep him at L-1 without another reason I'm more incline to believe you are a Mafia. (This is supported by you avoiding voting on Echo.)
Not at the time you voted.0_o wrote:
First of all, he's at L-2 - Bagelbob retracted his vote
Still doesn't mean anything to me. I understand it, but it's definitely not a reason from what I can see.0_o wrote:
I'm not really split between them, I'm indifferent between them. I would be just as happy voting off adam as I would nardi. And since nardi is the more likely candidate right now, it would be pointless to vote for adam since that would just make it more difficult to lynch nardi, whom I believe is just as likely to be mafia as adam.
I hope that made sense?
Can someone explain to me why we just jumped to voting for nardi when strager has been so suspicious and refusing to defend himself?
edit: @strager:
kuu is obviously townie
the way sfg has posted is obviously townie
You're trying to bring suspicion onto someone who is obviously townie. Now why would you do that?
strager wrote:
Well you're not getting it.Echo wrote:
I would like you to do two things:Echo wrote:
Whereas I've conjured up a single sentence with enough evidence to send you to kingdom come, none of which you've satisfactorily defended against, you've brought none of my posts against me.
- refute my 3 points in the linked post
- attack me with my posts
edit: @strager:
kuu is obviously townie
the way sfg has posted is obviously townie
You're trying to bring suspicion onto someone who is obviously townie. Now why would you do that?
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I defended too, somewhat:Echo wrote:
You're trying to bring suspicion onto someone who is obviously townie. Now why would you do that?
And isn't the point of the game is to present likely possibilities and have others debunk them?strager wrote:
SFG's first vote on me was just a bandwagon vote it seems, because I was the more suspicious.
SFG's second vote on me was a misunderstanding: viewtopic.php?p=141154#p141154
Because nardi hasn't defended himself either. He was at L-1 and still hadn't posted. He may just be a townie that does't give a crap about the game, though. =/Echo wrote:
Can someone explain to me why we just jumped to voting for nardi when strager has been so suspicious and refusing to defend himself?
But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<
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Yes it is a loss. That's one Night the Mafia has to waste their kill on.Derekku Chan wrote:
But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<
I doubt your Mafia buddy would kill you, and I doubt today we'll lynch you. You'll have your chance to lynch your own friend someday.Echo wrote:
I just fear I won't be around to lynch a mafia :X
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That reasoning goes both ways really. That is, he could be a major asset to the Mafia.0_o wrote:
Echo is coming out very strongly this game, and while he does have that level of suspicion, he can also be very useful if he is pro-town. I don't want to lynch him yet because the potential of Echo being a strong asset for the town is greater than my suspicion that he is mafia.
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
Because you know things we don't I'm more inclined to think you are a Mafia.0_o wrote:
There are a few more specific reasons that I don't want to lynch Echo yet, but I can't say them here because I don't want these reasons to be visible to the mafia.
Unless you discovered these reasons through real reasoning, of course.
strager wrote:
That reasoning goes both ways really. That is, he could be a major asset to the Mafia.0_o wrote:
Echo is coming out very strongly this game, and while he does have that level of suspicion, he can also be very useful if he is pro-town. I don't want to lynch him yet because the potential of Echo being a strong asset for the town is greater than my suspicion that he is mafia.
That's true, but again I have other reasons for keeping him around that I can't let the mafia be aware of.So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.Because you know things we don't I'm more inclined to think you are a Mafia.0_o wrote:
There are a few more specific reasons that I don't want to lynch Echo yet, but I can't say them here because I don't want these reasons to be visible to the mafia.
Unless you discovered these reasons through real reasoning, of course.
I don't have evidence per se, but theories of how the mafia will behave (not on how they are behaving now). I obviously can't openly discuss these theories, because the mafia of course will see them and act accordingly.
I see that, but it wasn't in that one sentence (only Echo was) so I got a bit suspicious...0_o wrote:
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.
That's because Bagelbob was only asking about Echo, nardi and adam. I just threw you in as another example.strager wrote:
I see that, but it wasn't in that one sentence (only Echo was) so I got a bit suspicious...0_o wrote:
So there isn't much rick in lynching me either?0_o wrote:
Now adam and nardi on the other hand, haven't been contributing a whole lot to the game, so as opposed to the case with Echo, there isn't much risk in lynching them.
If you read my next sentence you would see..You are risky to lynch because of the possibility you are the doctor.0_o wrote:
If it turns out they aren't mafia, it wouldn't be as much of a loss to the town as Echo and strager would if they were pro-town.
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nardi, anything else you want to say? At this point, you might want to get out what you want to say while you can...
Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.
Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?
Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.
Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?
I think lynching nardi is a mistake.
Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?Echo wrote:
I think lynching nardi is a mistake.
I'm inclined to think 0_o
I'm inclined to think too. 0_oEcho wrote:
I'm inclined to think 0_o
EDIT: I wrote include instead of inclined. wtf.
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I don't know if this means anything, but if I really was in league with strager I would distance myself from him as much as possible; frankly I think it'd be pretty stupid of me if we were mafia to blatantly defend him like that, since if one of us gets lynched and was revealed to be mafia, the other would be the obvious partner.
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
I don't know if there is some logic fallacy in this argument, I'm just saying that's how my mind would work.
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
I don't know if there is some logic fallacy in this argument, I'm just saying that's how my mind would work.
Topic Starter
Votecount 6:
nardi - 3 (Derekku, SFG, 0_o)
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
Echo - 1 (strager)
Not voting: 2 - (Olinad, BagelBob)
Deadline, unless Olinad chooses not to post before then, is Thursday 6:00PM, GMT -5/6 (Central)
nardi - 3 (Derekku, SFG, 0_o)
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
Echo - 1 (strager)
Not voting: 2 - (Olinad, BagelBob)
Deadline, unless Olinad chooses not to post before then, is Thursday 6:00PM, GMT -5/6 (Central)
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
I have to agree, though, and the buddying is kinda annoying. I understand you trust me but we don't have to be friends for that. ;P
<strager|irc> LS is in TX?
<strager|irc> and so is BagelBob?
<strager|irc> </guesses>
<BagelBob> so?
<BagelBob> If Olinad posts 5 min before the deadline, he's a dead-man
<SFG|Rh> ^
<SFG|Rh> oh i should post that
<BagelBob> I think that it's generally understood
<strager|irc> and so is BagelBob?
<strager|irc> </guesses>
<BagelBob> so?
<BagelBob> If Olinad posts 5 min before the deadline, he's a dead-man
<SFG|Rh> ^
<SFG|Rh> oh i should post that
<BagelBob> I think that it's generally understood
What? Proposing to lynch someone who isn't being grilled is scum tell? So you are saying that one should just agree with what the majority of people are saying... but oh wait, that's bandwagoning. And hey look, isn't that scum tell too?strager wrote:
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
I have to agree, though, and the buddying is kinda annoying. I understand you trust me but we don't have to be friends for that. ;PI'm not trying to be your bff, I'm trying to keep the person who is most likely to be the doctor alive
Actually I made a mistake. I must have misread what you wrote, because I don't really see how that'd be a Scum tell. =S0_o wrote:
What? Proposing to lynch someone who isn't being grilled is scum tell? So you are saying that one should just agree with what the majority of people are saying... but oh wait, that's bandwagoning. And hey look, isn't that scum tell too?strager wrote:
But that's an obvious Scum tell, if you're carefully read (and since you don't have TOO many posts I wouldn't think it'd be difficult to read).0_o wrote:
Sure I would try to keep him alive, but I would do it passively by pushing someone else, not by swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
He was exaggerating.BagelBob wrote:
Maybe that's what you meant?0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
K lets do some posting!
1. I am a Townie, though I obviously would say that too if I was a Mafia.
2. One of the reasons I don't post too much is because most of the actual "conversations" happen at times when I'm unable to reply. So all I can do is post my opinion after reading everything that has been said, which hasn't changed much.
3. What else can I use to defend myself?
My suspicion for strager comes from the fact that while he seems like a smart guy, a lot of his posts have been pretty vague and I think it's stupid to admit your role on the first day.
1. I am a Townie, though I obviously would say that too if I was a Mafia.
2. One of the reasons I don't post too much is because most of the actual "conversations" happen at times when I'm unable to reply. So all I can do is post my opinion after reading everything that has been said, which hasn't changed much.
3. What else can I use to defend myself?
My suspicion for strager comes from the fact that while he seems like a smart guy, a lot of his posts have been pretty vague and I think it's stupid to admit your role on the first day.
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What are your other reasons? This isn't a reason itself, really. Forum "conversations" are not real-time and anyone may contribute at any time. Just ignore the timestamps.nardi11011 wrote:
2. One of the reasons I don't post too much is because most of the actual "conversations" happen at times when I'm unable to reply. So all I can do is post my opinion after reading everything that has been said, which hasn't changed much.
I'm smart? xDnardi11011 wrote:
My suspicion for strager comes from the fact that while he seems like a smart guy, a lot of his posts have been pretty vague and I think it's stupid to admit your role on the first day.
I agree I've been pretty vague but there's not much I can talk about in terms of specifics.
And again, I know it was stupid to claim Doctor. >_>
Olinad, are you going to be more active now?
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<LadySuburu> Attention Mafia 2 players: Although late, it is time for me to post the deathscene!
<LadySuburu> So, I'm writing it up now.
<SFG|Rh> yay~
<SFG|Rh> who died o-o
<Echo> mafia 2?
<Echo> but there wasn't even a VOTE END post
<strager> wait
<strager> WTF
<strager> FUCK
<strager> <caps>i forgot</caps>
<strager> @%@!%!@$!
<strager> damnit
<Echo> HAHA
<Echo> strager was going to switch from me to nardi
<strager> lol
<strager> No I forgot to check posts
<Echo> because iirc it's 3-3 between strager and nardi
<Echo> and strager got his votes first
<strager> oh shit
<strager> x_x
<LadySuburu> Actually
<LadySuburu> Nardi did.
<Echo> no wai
<LadySuburu> Because Nardi was at 4 votes
<LadySuburu> then lowered to 3
<Echo> fffffffff
<SFG|Rh> so strager lives?
<LadySuburu> Nardi was placed ahead of strager
<Echo> nardi is villager dammit
<LadySuburu> therefore, strager lives
<LadySuburu> nardi dies.
<Echo> townie
<Echo> i swear
<SFG|Rh> :/
<Echo> if he's not i fail
<strager> oshi
<strager> oshi
<strager> wtf
<strager> stupid chat
<SFG|Rh> okay Echo ill post this
<SFG|Rh> but if nardi is a villager i will vote for strager tomorrow
<strager> D=
<strager> Weren't you split between adam and nardi?
<SFG|Rh> yeah
<SFG|Rh> assuming both were mafia
<SFG|Rh> if im wrong
<SFG|Rh> youre mafi
<strager> ah
<LadySuburu> Better post before I hit submit.
<LadySuburu> :3
<LadySuburu> So, I'm writing it up now.
<SFG|Rh> yay~
<SFG|Rh> who died o-o
<Echo> mafia 2?
<Echo> but there wasn't even a VOTE END post
<strager> wait
<strager> WTF
<strager> FUCK
<strager> <caps>i forgot</caps>
<strager> @%@!%!@$!
<strager> damnit
<Echo> HAHA
<Echo> strager was going to switch from me to nardi
<strager> lol
<strager> No I forgot to check posts
<Echo> because iirc it's 3-3 between strager and nardi
<Echo> and strager got his votes first
<strager> oh shit
<strager> x_x
<LadySuburu> Actually
<LadySuburu> Nardi did.
<Echo> no wai
<LadySuburu> Because Nardi was at 4 votes
<LadySuburu> then lowered to 3
<Echo> fffffffff
<SFG|Rh> so strager lives?
<LadySuburu> Nardi was placed ahead of strager
<Echo> nardi is villager dammit
<LadySuburu> therefore, strager lives
<LadySuburu> nardi dies.
<Echo> townie
<Echo> i swear
<SFG|Rh> :/
<Echo> if he's not i fail
<strager> oshi
<strager> oshi
<strager> wtf
<strager> stupid chat
<SFG|Rh> okay Echo ill post this
<SFG|Rh> but if nardi is a villager i will vote for strager tomorrow
<strager> D=
<strager> Weren't you split between adam and nardi?
<SFG|Rh> yeah
<SFG|Rh> assuming both were mafia
<SFG|Rh> if im wrong
<SFG|Rh> youre mafi
<strager> ah
<LadySuburu> Better post before I hit submit.
<LadySuburu> :3
Topic Starter
Final Votecount:
nardi - 3 (Derekku, SFG, 0_o)
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
Echo - 1 (strager)
Not voting: 2 - (Olinad, BagelBob)
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*As the day dragged on, it seemed nobody was going to be lynched. Two people were tied in votes.*
"STRAGER!" Shouted adam, nardi, and Echo.
"NARDI!" Yelled back Derekku, SFG, and 0_o.
Unsure of what to do, the group went to a mystic.
Mystic: I will summon up a spirit of the dead, to help you in your choice....
*The mystic began a long ritual of summoning, and brought forth a spirit to be the judge. The room shook, the windows broke, and the spirit of LadySuburu appeared in the room.*
LadySuburu: .....
*The spirit looked angry, vengeful... Quickly, Suburu's spirit went inside of nardi...*
Nardi: ...
*Nardi's body was wracked with convulsions, before exploding into bits, covering everyone with guts.*
*Shocked and apologetic, the Mystic offered the use of her shower, and her washer and dryer. Before you went to clean off the guts, you looked for any trace of guilt on nardi's remains. You found nothing.*
nardi - Vanilla Townie - lynched (exploded) D1.
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Please send in all night actions by 8:00 PM Saturday.
nardi - 3 (Derekku, SFG, 0_o)
strager - 3 (adam, nardi, Echo)
Echo - 1 (strager)
Not voting: 2 - (Olinad, BagelBob)
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*As the day dragged on, it seemed nobody was going to be lynched. Two people were tied in votes.*
"STRAGER!" Shouted adam, nardi, and Echo.
"NARDI!" Yelled back Derekku, SFG, and 0_o.
Unsure of what to do, the group went to a mystic.
Mystic: I will summon up a spirit of the dead, to help you in your choice....
*The mystic began a long ritual of summoning, and brought forth a spirit to be the judge. The room shook, the windows broke, and the spirit of LadySuburu appeared in the room.*
LadySuburu: .....
*The spirit looked angry, vengeful... Quickly, Suburu's spirit went inside of nardi...*
Nardi: ...
*Nardi's body was wracked with convulsions, before exploding into bits, covering everyone with guts.*
*Shocked and apologetic, the Mystic offered the use of her shower, and her washer and dryer. Before you went to clean off the guts, you looked for any trace of guilt on nardi's remains. You found nothing.*
nardi - Vanilla Townie - lynched (exploded) D1.
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I died? 
...that's it.
...seriously, what more do you expect, I'm dead for gods sake!
(go town!)
...that's it.
...seriously, what more do you expect, I'm dead for gods sake!
(go town!)
Topic Starter
*Upon awaking, you immediately check for casualties.*
Someone: Guys! Bagelbob's dead!
*You go over to BagelBob, but quickly realize that it's fake blood on him, not real.*
Someone: Real funny, Bagel. Get up.
Someone: ...Bagel?
BagelBob - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1.
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With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is next saturday at 2:00 PM, Central.
Someone: Guys! Bagelbob's dead!
*You go over to BagelBob, but quickly realize that it's fake blood on him, not real.*
Someone: Real funny, Bagel. Get up.
Someone: ...Bagel?
BagelBob - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1.
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With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is next saturday at 2:00 PM, Central.
Vote: SFG
BagelBob was most suspicious of SFG, which may mean SFG killed him.
BagelBob was most suspicious of SFG, which may mean SFG killed him.
Still voting strager
I don't know why I myselfadam2046 wrote:
Still voting strager
The only reason I can think of BagelBob being killed, though, is that SFG is a Mafia. I don't believe kuu raging, stating he was a Townie, and quitting is reason to believe he/SFG is a Townie.
EDIT: Correction with [strike].
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Well, duh, if you think I'm a Mafia. But of course I don't even consider that.adam2046 wrote:
I can think of another~
Wait.
/me looks at PM again.
Yeah, not a Mafia. xD
I hope you're looking at the right PM...
No, I didn't look at yours. ;Padam2046 wrote:
I hope you're looking at the right PM...
I can't find anywhere where Bagelbob attacks SFG.. link/quote?
okay let me look at all pertienent BagelBob posts cus i dont remember being attacked by him
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o (here as well as at bottom cus this is a hugeass post
"I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!" <-- not really an attack on me, or really serious.
"strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
parody wrote:
Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.
Also, no one should be getting pissed off right now. There hasn't been enough time for anyone to act super-suspicious, so votes at this point don't really mean much.
Oh, and I'm CDT (gmt-5). But I have a weird schedule." <--- looks like hes accusing strager a little bit but nothing more
"I'm sorry, I must have missed it.
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Also, I'd have to agree that it was just kuu raging. Maybe some time away from these games will do him good. And whare be An SFG?" <--- no accusation
this looks more like an attack on ECHO than anything else, and a defense on strager
he's still arguing over strager and Echo
ok fuck the text walls im going to start only pulling the pertinent stuff
"this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.
Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?"
directing suspicion on strager
"...Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic."
again, attacking strager
"I meant to get mad at Olinad. You said that you were busy on weekdays, but that you would post Saturday. You show up Sunday, say you've read the thread, and then nothing. Post your thoughts, your opinions. Isn't there anything you want to say?
Nardii, what's up with you, did you forget about us?
0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier? You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut? I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor? If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member? I'm not saying you have to vote for either one, but it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole mess.
SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?"
no specific attack on any one person, just a lot of suggestions for leading discussion
"From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?
This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.
A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell. In addition, scum might try and keep a claimed-doctor alive in order that not being night killed sets them up for a lynch later on. There could be any number of reasons going through a scum's head.
Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case."
attacking strager
"nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor."
attacking strager
"
I call BS, you meant to claim your roll. I was in the IRC with you before the game started. You could have sent your question as a PM to Suburu. You could have easily said that you were just curious. While lies generally do not help the town, the doctor role-claiming on the first day is worse.
Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?
Neither of those two pieces of code deals with our set-up. Why are you wasting time with things that don't apply? You can code all day, but when you get down to it, we aren't lynching someone at random. All that code does is consume time and block discussion."
attacking strager
"20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people"
attacking strager
"strager wrote:
One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.
To put this simply, I don't believe you. "
attacking strager
"strager wrote:
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):
Would you care to contradict yourself again?"
attacking strager
"For one, I wasn't talking about our game on the IRC. I was telling strager that his comments didn't apply to our game.
For another, I refuse to read strager and derekuu's conversation on the IRC."
attacking strager and Derekku
"With SFG having switched to believing strager(at least for now), there aren't enough votes to lynch strager.
Regarding the decision between adam and nardi:
Adam has been here since the beginning of the game. He first voted for strager in a random vote, but then when strager started to act suspicious, he stated his thoughts and has since continued posting and keeping up with the game.
nardi, on the other hand, showed up for a little bit and voted strager without adding anything new. He has since posted a few times, but mostly just says he doesn't know what to think, that he's in the middle of the road, despite still voting for strager.
Thus, for bandwagoning and lurking, I
Unvote: strager
Vote: nardi"
standpoint on strager is very obvious
"When you say "his buddy" who are you referring to? (nardi is "a Mafia" in that sentence, yes?)
Also, I don't want to lynch him before he gets a chance to speak so
Unvote Nardi"
attacking strager (strager is the "you")
"I'm sorry, I read that wrong.
"If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses."
This reasoning escapes me so much, I must have changed Mafia loses to Town loses just to keep my sanity."
attacking strager
"Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
and I think Echo said "Thank you very much," but I'm not sure."
him = strager. not really talking much
"0_o, I think you said you're voting for nardi. Do you have any reasons for the vote, or is it just bandwagoning?"
prodding 0_o
"Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor."
questioning 0_o
"Maybe I phrased my question in a way that you didn't understand.
What is the difference between Echo, nardi, and adam that makes nardi and adam acceptable candidates for lynch and Echo not?
Also, as for quitting, both a townie and a mafia can quit, that shouldn't be a tell for anything, and he would lie for the same reason any mafia would lie."
logic
"nardi, anything else you want to say? At this point, you might want to get out what you want to say while you can...
Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.
Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?"
prompting speech
"Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?"
attacking strager
"Glad to see all of us are on the same page. Unfortunately, on his own, all 0_o has done is buddy with strager. And from what he says, I think that he's still kind of on the middle of the road you two.
I'd be less inclined to vote for nardi if he participated more, so I could get a better read on him."
attacking strager and 0_o
"0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?"
attacking 0_o
"Well, this would have been great, if you had actually posted during those times when other people were inactive, but we've heard from you twice now, and the second time we had to put you at L-1 to do it. Maybe if you had kept posting, like adam did, you would have been in a better position.
Olinad, it's understandable that people do things other than play osu, but you said at the beginning that you would be busy on weekdays but you would post on Saturday. Come Sunday, you show up and say "brb" and we don't hear from you again until Thursday? If you need out, say something now."
you = nardi, prompting people to talk
then he died. And now strager is trying to say he was attacking me. HELLO strager, lrn2read please.
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o
vote strager
FOS 0_o
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o (here as well as at bottom cus this is a hugeass post
"I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!" <-- not really an attack on me, or really serious.
"strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
parody wrote:
Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.
Also, no one should be getting pissed off right now. There hasn't been enough time for anyone to act super-suspicious, so votes at this point don't really mean much.
Oh, and I'm CDT (gmt-5). But I have a weird schedule." <--- looks like hes accusing strager a little bit but nothing more
"I'm sorry, I must have missed it.
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Also, I'd have to agree that it was just kuu raging. Maybe some time away from these games will do him good. And whare be An SFG?" <--- no accusation
BagelBob wrote:
Echo wrote:
edit:
note to everyone: I've probably made just as many posts as strager has. If I can pick holes in strager's arguments and claims, then any lies, inconsistencies or logical fallacies I've made should also be just as evident. I encourage you to through and confirm or deny, for yourself, the authenticity of my train of thought.
Well, if you insist.
Echo wrote:
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.
I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.
I've never heard of this rule. Furthermore, I feel as though you're putting words in his mouth. He never claimed to be the cop, and you were the first person who said he was the doc.
Also, I'd like to point out.
Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role.
viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874
Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.
viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180
Thus, I repeat
BagelBob wrote:
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
However, I don't want to give the wrong idea. I agree with most of the things you've said about strager(one disagreement is that when he gives up, you think that's more scummy while I think it doesn't show anything but fatigue while another is that I'd like to give him more credit than doubt for backing off his claim that he should consider adam town for the day rather than have him continue pushing that adam is still town). But everything else looks right on the money.
I'd also like to add
strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.
That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.
Oh, and Derekuu-Chan, this is a summery, not a suspicion list. However, I feel that I should apologize. I forgot that sarcasm can't be conveyed over the internets.
When I said before
BagelBob wrote:
I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!
It was in response to
kuu wrote:
I FORGOT AM I INVITED HERE---OH RIGHT IT'S THE WOLF GAME IM NOT IN.
Where I meant to show that kuu was lying about being in the game. Trying to stay low on the radar or just being kuu? I'll never know.
And any parodies I do are for my own amusement. If they should happen to point out a newbie mistake that could be a scum-tell, so be it.
this looks more like an attack on ECHO than anything else, and a defense on strager
BagelBob wrote:
First, I want to finish up what I started.
I believe this is the full list concerning the doktor.
s: The Doctor PM says "If your protection is successful" -- does this mean the protection can fail? Or does it mean that the protection fails if the Mafia did not target the person you targeted?
E: Doesn't that mean you're doctor >.>
E: dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
s: D= I didn't mean to.
E: strager hasn't even role claimed - I said he was doctor
D: Sounds like he confirmed it to me. >_>
E: That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.
E: First, you claim an important role.
E: Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.
E: First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed. The real doctor wouldn't have wanted to expose himself - he'd die night 1 and the whole town would be in a bit of trouble.
BB: Echo, could you post where strager role claims?
E: viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263 (s: D= I didn't mean to.)
When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.
What I learned from all of this is that I didn't read thoroughly enough. It turns out that that second time that Echo says firstly, he expands it to say that he did admit the claim soon. The only part that isn't exactly consistent now is "That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion", but that's negligible.
Result: strager has claimed to be the doc (by which I mean that I won't say it's too suspicious)
Also, FOS, is a Finger of Suspicion. It's a way of saying that you think someone is a candidate for lynching, but not as strong as a vote.(feel free to say I'm wrong about the weight, Echo, you are the one who used it)
strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!
However, I do like the idea of a fake-claim of the doktor, like I thought Suburu and kuu were doing in WW2. I've seen it work before, and I know it has the potential to be really great.
strager wrote:
----------
Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.
I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?
lulz @ adam for the Monty Python reference
I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.
However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.
he's still arguing over strager and Echo
ok fuck the text walls im going to start only pulling the pertinent stuff
"this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.
Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?"
directing suspicion on strager
"...Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic."
again, attacking strager
"I meant to get mad at Olinad. You said that you were busy on weekdays, but that you would post Saturday. You show up Sunday, say you've read the thread, and then nothing. Post your thoughts, your opinions. Isn't there anything you want to say?
Nardii, what's up with you, did you forget about us?
0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier? You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut? I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor? If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member? I'm not saying you have to vote for either one, but it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole mess.
SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?"
no specific attack on any one person, just a lot of suggestions for leading discussion
"From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?
This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.
A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell. In addition, scum might try and keep a claimed-doctor alive in order that not being night killed sets them up for a lynch later on. There could be any number of reasons going through a scum's head.
Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case."
attacking strager
"nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor."
attacking strager
"
I call BS, you meant to claim your roll. I was in the IRC with you before the game started. You could have sent your question as a PM to Suburu. You could have easily said that you were just curious. While lies generally do not help the town, the doctor role-claiming on the first day is worse.
Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?
Neither of those two pieces of code deals with our set-up. Why are you wasting time with things that don't apply? You can code all day, but when you get down to it, we aren't lynching someone at random. All that code does is consume time and block discussion."
attacking strager
"20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people"
attacking strager
"strager wrote:
One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.
To put this simply, I don't believe you. "
attacking strager
"strager wrote:
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):
Would you care to contradict yourself again?"
attacking strager
"For one, I wasn't talking about our game on the IRC. I was telling strager that his comments didn't apply to our game.
For another, I refuse to read strager and derekuu's conversation on the IRC."
attacking strager and Derekku
"With SFG having switched to believing strager(at least for now), there aren't enough votes to lynch strager.
Regarding the decision between adam and nardi:
Adam has been here since the beginning of the game. He first voted for strager in a random vote, but then when strager started to act suspicious, he stated his thoughts and has since continued posting and keeping up with the game.
nardi, on the other hand, showed up for a little bit and voted strager without adding anything new. He has since posted a few times, but mostly just says he doesn't know what to think, that he's in the middle of the road, despite still voting for strager.
Thus, for bandwagoning and lurking, I
Unvote: strager
Vote: nardi"
standpoint on strager is very obvious
"When you say "his buddy" who are you referring to? (nardi is "a Mafia" in that sentence, yes?)
Also, I don't want to lynch him before he gets a chance to speak so
Unvote Nardi"
attacking strager (strager is the "you")
"I'm sorry, I read that wrong.
"If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses."
This reasoning escapes me so much, I must have changed Mafia loses to Town loses just to keep my sanity."
attacking strager
"Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
and I think Echo said "Thank you very much," but I'm not sure."
him = strager. not really talking much
"0_o, I think you said you're voting for nardi. Do you have any reasons for the vote, or is it just bandwagoning?"
prodding 0_o
"Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor."
questioning 0_o
"Maybe I phrased my question in a way that you didn't understand.
What is the difference between Echo, nardi, and adam that makes nardi and adam acceptable candidates for lynch and Echo not?
Also, as for quitting, both a townie and a mafia can quit, that shouldn't be a tell for anything, and he would lie for the same reason any mafia would lie."
logic
"nardi, anything else you want to say? At this point, you might want to get out what you want to say while you can...
Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.
Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?"
prompting speech
"Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?"
attacking strager
"Glad to see all of us are on the same page. Unfortunately, on his own, all 0_o has done is buddy with strager. And from what he says, I think that he's still kind of on the middle of the road you two.
I'd be less inclined to vote for nardi if he participated more, so I could get a better read on him."
attacking strager and 0_o
"0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?"
attacking 0_o
"Well, this would have been great, if you had actually posted during those times when other people were inactive, but we've heard from you twice now, and the second time we had to put you at L-1 to do it. Maybe if you had kept posting, like adam did, you would have been in a better position.
Olinad, it's understandable that people do things other than play osu, but you said at the beginning that you would be busy on weekdays but you would post on Saturday. Come Sunday, you show up and say "brb" and we don't hear from you again until Thursday? If you need out, say something now."
you = nardi, prompting people to talk
then he died. And now strager is trying to say he was attacking me. HELLO strager, lrn2read please.
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o
vote strager
FOS 0_o
Damnit, I think I made a mistake.
I know someone was questioning SFG, but I guess it wasn't BagelBob.
Unvote until I find out who it was (or I'm convinced to vote for someone else).
I know someone was questioning SFG, but I guess it wasn't BagelBob.
Unvote until I find out who it was (or I'm convinced to vote for someone else).
strager wrote:
Damnit, I think I made a mistake.
I know someone was questioning SFG, but I guess it wasn't BagelBob.
Unvote until I find out who it was (or I'm convinced to vote for someone else).
nice try. Do you even bother reading the thread before deciding which villager to kill off today, or were you just hoping no one would notice that you were dead wrong.
Edit:
<strager|irc> lol apparently I used his death as an excuse to vote for SFG
<strager|irc> wtf xD
<strager|irc> I don't even remember that
Oh oh! It might have been me!
More clear:
Sorry for the confusion. I don't drink but something must have happened. =S I'll be quiet now.#forumshit wrote:
19:33 < SFG|Rh> hey Subi can i ask BagelBob if i summarized his posts correctly or is that a no-no
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: In M2?
19:33 < SFG|Rh> yeah
19:33 < BagelBob> and can I ask who the mafiosi are?
19:33 < BagelBob> I'm dead anyway
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: As long as no one notices you misquoted everything you're fine =]
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: Misquotes (intentional or not) are legal if that's what you're asking
19:33 < SFG|Rh> misquoted everything?
19:33 < strager|irc> Was kidding
19:34 < SFG|Rh> i was gonna say
19:34 < strager|irc> Not sure why you would think it'd be illegal otherwise though
19:34 < SFG|Rh> how do you misquote with ctrl-v
19:34 < BagelBob> I was gonna say, discussion needs to take place in the thread
19:34 < SFG|Rh> because Bobby is dead
19:34 < BagelBob> Oops, sorry adam
19:34 < BagelBob> I need to kill a "Spirit Dragon"
19:34 < BagelBob> I think spirit implies that it's already dead
19:34 < adam2046> oh
19:34 < LadySuburu> Yeah, you can't ask bobby. If you did something wrong leave it to the others to find it and
point it out
19:34 < LadySuburu> lol
19:34 < adam2046> <caps>motherfucker!</caps>
19:35 < strager|irc> Oh BagelBob's dead?
19:35 < adam2046> runningrunningruninng
19:35 < LadySuburu> @strager: Did you skip the deathscene entirely?
19:35 < strager|irc> eh?
19:35 < LadySuburu> Did you even notice D1 ended?
19:35 < LadySuburu> and N1?
19:35 < BagelBob> fasdf
19:35 < strager|irc> x___________x
19:36 < strager|irc> lol apparently I used his death as an excuse to vote for SFG
19:36 < strager|irc> wtf xD
19:36 < strager|irc> I don't even remember that
19:36 < strager|irc> gah
19:36 < SFG|Rh> of course
19:36 < strager|irc> Well I don't remember voting for him
19:36 < SFG|Rh> strager is digging his hole deeper and deeper
19:37 < strager|irc> I saw your post SFG
19:37 < SFG|Rh> i just posted again
19:37 < strager|irc> yeah saw
Oh, and this:
#forumshit wrote:
19:39 < SFG|Rh> if strager isnt mafia ill eat my hat
She didn't use punctuation! It doesn't count!
Topic Starter
I've decided to reinstate the rule against discussing the game outside the thread.
Any discussion about this game outside of the thread from here on will be in violation of the rules.
Any discussion about this game outside of the thread from here on will be in violation of the rules.
I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.
Also,
But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now
Also,
This was directed at strager in response to him misreading/misquoting a post of mine (not an attack)Bagelbob wrote:
0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?
But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now
i was summarizing his intent in each post. i didnt include responses because the point of all that was to analyze the Bobbys-eye-view of the game. Which happened to be pointing straight at straiger when he died, despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME0_o wrote:
I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.
I didn't insist.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME
And this is where I was confused earlier.
All I said was this:
And a response:strager wrote:
BagelBob was most suspicious of SFG, which may mean SFG killed him.
SFG may have mistaken me by 0_o's comment.0_o wrote:
I can't find anywhere where Bagelbob attacks SFG.. link/quote?
I don't.0_o wrote:
But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now
I don't either.adam2046 wrote:
I don't.0_o wrote:
But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now
Then again I'm confused as it is.
maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? innostrager wrote:
I don't either.adam2046 wrote:
I don't.0_o wrote:
But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now
Uh, what?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? inno
nardi isn't a Mafia, so adam cannot be his Mafia mate. So that reason doesn't make sense.
...
really guys...
and again, I have my reasons for not voting Echo yet.
really guys...
and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?0_o wrote:
And I'm voting for nardi because as I've already saidI'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.0_o wrote:
EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.
and again, I have my reasons for not voting Echo yet.
0_o, adam, Derekku, Echo, Olinad, SFG, strager. BagelBob's gone too.0_o wrote:
and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?
</troll>
I totally forgot about my whole bandwagon idea. I'm just really relieved I didn't get killed, and at the same time am very pressured by others because I'm a hugeass target.
Unvote
Vote: 0_o
woah, what? where did that come from?strager wrote:
Unvote
Vote: 0_o
0_o wrote:
woah, what? where did that come from?strager wrote:
Unvote
Vote: 0_o
he's um. trying to lynch you instead of himself, apparently. maybe he thinks that turning on his mafia buddy will clear him.
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Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.
I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?
I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?
0_o wrote:
Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.
I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?
easy. you two are in the mafia together. he realized hes about to die so hes trying to free you cus if you win its still a mafia win. youre acting clueless to throw us off.
Topic Starter
Votecount 1:
strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
adam2046 - 1 (0_o)
0_o - 1 (strager)
Not Voting - 3 (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)
strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
adam2046 - 1 (0_o)
0_o - 1 (strager)
Not Voting - 3 (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)
THIS IS NOT A VOTE
I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. Please say which of the two you would vote for (ie. who do you think is more likely to be mafia) and some sort of reason as to why, preferably backed up with evidence (but not necessary).If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.
I'd also like adam to reiterate or point out the post(s) that explain why you're still voting for strager.
I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is onL-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.
THIS IS NOT A VOTE
I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. Please say which of the two you would vote for (ie. who do you think is more likely to be mafia) and some sort of reason as to why, preferably backed up with evidence (but not necessary).
I'd also like adam to reiterate or point out the post(s) that explain why you're still voting for strager.
I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on
THIS IS NOT A VOTE
Echo wrote:
I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.
I believe i made my position on strager crystal clear - i am completely convinced that he is mafia and im wondering a bit why you're defending him now. I mentally cleared adam when nardi was cleared (by lynch, sadly...i should have stuck with my original vote for strager), although he still falls under the "i dont know what to make of you" kind of suspicion.
I am fairly sure 0_o is strager's partner in crime, however i still believe there is a possibility that hes just a highly misled citizen. stragers recent attack on him is a bit confusing and i believe i stated my thoughts on it in an earlier post.
for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?
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I'm voting for strager purely based on how he has acted the entire game, I haven't seen many posts by him that actually make me less suspicious of him.
I've also had a feeling since I first seriously voted strager that Derek was his buddy, but that might be paranoia.
...Why are people suspicious of me anyway? I don't think anyone has actually brought any valid points up against me(at least not that I remember...)
I've also had a feeling since I first seriously voted strager that Derek was his buddy, but that might be paranoia.
...Why are people suspicious of me anyway? I don't think anyone has actually brought any valid points up against me(at least not that I remember...)
adam: would you vote derekku or 0_o if you had to pick one of the two, and why?
Yep I guess today I'll do something new and try to show a bit of thinking from my side. 
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E
*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.
*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.
*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really
*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.
*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious
*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.
So I guess I'll vote SFG
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E
*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.
*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.
*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really
*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.
*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious
*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.
So I guess I'll vote SFG
If I had to, I would probably vote Derekku since he seems to subtley be all buddy budddy with strager in this game...hmm actually
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.
Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:
If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)
Too bored...
...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.
Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:
I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.Derekku Chan wrote:
I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.
I'm finally throwing my vote down.
Vote. Echo.
*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*
If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)
Too bored...
...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.
Thanks adam, I'm waiting for derekku's and sfg's responses now, feel free to continue with whatever other discussion that may cross your mind.
the reason adam and nardi were under heightened suspicion in the first place was because of strager's bandwagon theory - a point which is entirely moot now that i know that strager is mafia and nardi is not. i also, i must confess, have not gone back to do a post study of adam to try and move him back off of the default suspicion again. perhaps i should do that after church.Echo wrote:
My mistake, fixed. So you would pick 0_o over adam? Can you show me what makes you think that adam must be paired with nardi?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?
0_o on the other hand has made like 90% of his posts in defense of strager. Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments? at least thats the feel i got from them. It looks to me like hes trying to defend strager but doesnt know how, and i personally say that a VILLAGER should always know why theyre defending someone before they actually start defending them. Since 0_o apparently didnt, i strongly suspect that he more than any other player is likely to be strager's accomplace.
Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?
As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).
I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.
What I think about the other players in no particular order
Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good.
I'm not sure what to think atm~
0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.
Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)
adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum
SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-
strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/
I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.
What I think about the other players in no particular order
Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good.
I'm not sure what to think atm~0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.
Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)
adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum
SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-
strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/
0_o wrote:
Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?
lol the reason the "?" was there is cus i dont remember specifics, lemme go back and look
"We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent
" <--- lol i found an emotional argument but it wasnt talking about strager really lemme keep looking"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."
"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."
"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"
thats prolly enough
Echo asked me what i thought about adam. what ive said is basically that i dont particularly suspect him but i also havent done my research on him yetDerekku wrote:
SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-
Since everyone else seems to be doing this I'll do it myself, in the order I want to say something.
Echo
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me. I can only think of two reasons:
He is a Mafia and will kill me later. This doesn't seem to convincing for me.
He is a Cop and looked at my role last Night, and realizes I am not a Mafia.
Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?
adam
He seems to be random voting today, and generally playing with everyone because of that. I doubt that means he's a Mafia but of course that can't be ruled out.
0_o
Until you explain why you're not considering Echo as a Mafia I'm keeping my vote on you as some pressure. I know why you are defending me, and I am grateful, but as I said before sometimes you defend me when I don't need to be defended (TODO: find references; I may be wrong).
Olinad
Of course Olinad's latest post is only to make sure another nardi incident doesn't happen again, so it's impossible to determine if he's a Mafia or a Townie just by him posting.
But let's look inside his post.
SFG
viewtopic.php?p=145925#p145925
Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?
Derekku
I'll just go through his latest post.
Echo
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me. I can only think of two reasons:
He is a Mafia and will kill me later. This doesn't seem to convincing for me.
He is a Cop and looked at my role last Night, and realizes I am not a Mafia.
Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?
adam
He seems to be random voting today, and generally playing with everyone because of that. I doubt that means he's a Mafia but of course that can't be ruled out.
0_o
Until you explain why you're not considering Echo as a Mafia I'm keeping my vote on you as some pressure. I know why you are defending me, and I am grateful, but as I said before sometimes you defend me when I don't need to be defended (TODO: find references; I may be wrong).
Olinad
Of course Olinad's latest post is only to make sure another nardi incident doesn't happen again, so it's impossible to determine if he's a Mafia or a Townie just by him posting.
But let's look inside his post.
I didn't cover myself up because that'd be a Mafia tell I think.Olinad wrote:
*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it.
Confusion is encouraged by the Mafia I believe. I know I've been confusing but that's by my nature I guess. (If you've spoke to me IRL...) Staying away from the confusion ... I don't know how to take that myself. Whatever; this part doesn't lead me anywhere.Olinad wrote:
*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.
In his defense he really hasn't been attacked with a convincing argument.Olinad wrote:
*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really
Indeed; see below.Olinad wrote:
*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.
Neither I but he seems to be arousing confusion a bit, though I just think he's being playful.adam wrote:
*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious
Nothing else to say for him?0_o wrote:
*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.
SFG
viewtopic.php?p=145925#p145925
Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?
Derekku
I'll just go through his latest post.
lol at point 1.Derekku Chan wrote:
I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.
He defends me because he believes me. He also believes in my bandwagon theory, as he has stated, and is most of the reason he's voting for adam.Derekku Chan wrote:
0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.
Hmm, I wonder who pushed the vote on nardi for that.Derekku Chan wrote:
Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went...
What hasn't been suspicious about adam, really? He's said a whole lot of nothing lately, IMO.Derekku Chan wrote:
adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum
Ohh ok, I thought by emotional arguments you meant like playing heartstrings Anyway:
The only people who really got any attention conversation-wise was strager and Echo. There was little to no evidence against anyone else, so I didn't want to vote for either of them, then all I really had to go on was intuition.
And to strager: I already said before that I haven't counted him out as mafia. It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.
Anyway:"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."iirc this was in response to strager wondering why I wasn't voting Echo when I was defending him. And it's true, I thought Echo was wrong about strager, but just because I don't agree with someone's reasoning doesn't necessarily mean I think they are mafia.
"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."I'll admit, there wasn't a lot (or any) of hard evidence here. It was the first day, and we didn't have a lot to go on (and I already said I wasn't voting strager). So yes, this was mainly random/instincts.
"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"Pretty much this
The only people who really got any attention conversation-wise was strager and Echo. There was little to no evidence against anyone else, so I didn't want to vote for either of them, then all I really had to go on was intuition.And to strager: I already said before that I haven't counted him out as mafia. It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.
Can you respond to what I said elsewhere in that post you responded to?0_o wrote:
It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.
strager wrote:
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.
Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.strager wrote:
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.