Oh oh! It might have been me!

More clear:

#forumshit wrote:

19:33 < SFG|Rh> hey Subi can i ask BagelBob if i summarized his posts correctly or is that a no-no
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: In M2?
19:33 < SFG|Rh> yeah
19:33 < BagelBob> and can I ask who the mafiosi are?
19:33 < BagelBob> I'm dead anyway
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: As long as no one notices you misquoted everything you're fine =]
19:33 < strager|irc> SFG|Rh: Misquotes (intentional or not) are legal if that's what you're asking
19:33 < SFG|Rh> misquoted everything?
19:33 < strager|irc> Was kidding
19:34 < SFG|Rh> i was gonna say
19:34 < strager|irc> Not sure why you would think it'd be illegal otherwise though
19:34 < SFG|Rh> how do you misquote with ctrl-v
19:34 < BagelBob> I was gonna say, discussion needs to take place in the thread
19:34 < SFG|Rh> because Bobby is dead
19:34 < BagelBob> Oops, sorry adam
19:34 < BagelBob> I need to kill a "Spirit Dragon"
19:34 < BagelBob> I think spirit implies that it's already dead
19:34 < adam2046> oh
19:34 < LadySuburu> Yeah, you can't ask bobby. If you did something wrong leave it to the others to find it and
point it out
19:34 < LadySuburu> lol
19:34 < adam2046> <caps>motherfucker!</caps>
19:35 < strager|irc> Oh BagelBob's dead?
19:35 < adam2046> runningrunningruninng
19:35 < LadySuburu> @strager: Did you skip the deathscene entirely?
19:35 < strager|irc> eh?
19:35 < LadySuburu> Did you even notice D1 ended?
19:35 < LadySuburu> and N1?
19:35 < BagelBob> fasdf
19:35 < strager|irc> x___________x
19:36 < strager|irc> lol apparently I used his death as an excuse to vote for SFG
19:36 < strager|irc> wtf xD
19:36 < strager|irc> I don't even remember that
19:36 < strager|irc> gah
19:36 < SFG|Rh> of course
19:36 < strager|irc> Well I don't remember voting for him
19:36 < SFG|Rh> strager is digging his hole deeper and deeper
19:37 < strager|irc> I saw your post SFG
19:37 < SFG|Rh> i just posted again
19:37 < strager|irc> yeah saw

Sorry for the confusion. I don't drink but something must have happened. =S I'll be quiet now.

Oh, and this:

#forumshit wrote:

19:39 < SFG|Rh> if strager isnt mafia ill eat my hat

She didn't use punctuation! It doesn't count!

I've decided to reinstate the rule against discussing the game outside the thread.

Any discussion about this game outside of the thread from here on will be in violation of the rules.

I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.

Also,

Bagelbob wrote:

0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.

Maybe that's what you meant?

This was directed at strager in response to him misreading/misquoting a post of mine (not an attack)

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

0_o wrote:

I think I've been slightly misrepresented by SFG's analysis, since it doesn't include answers to his comments/"accusations", and if you look through I've had perfectly legitimate responses to all of his questions.

i was summarizing his intent in each post. i didnt include responses because the point of all that was to analyze the Bobbys-eye-view of the game. Which happened to be pointing straight at straiger when he died, despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

despite strangers insistance that he wanted to kill ME

I didn't insist.

And this is where I was confused earlier.

All I said was this:

strager wrote:

BagelBob was most suspicious of SFG, which may mean SFG killed him.

And a response:

0_o wrote:

I can't find anywhere where Bagelbob attacks SFG.. link/quote?

SFG may have mistaken me by 0_o's comment.

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

I don't either.

Then again I'm confused as it is.

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

But yeah, anyway
vote adam
and you all know why by now

I don't.

I don't either.

maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? inno

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

maybe b/c adam and nardi were supposedly mafia mates? inno

Uh, what?

nardi isn't a Mafia, so adam cannot be his Mafia mate. So that reason doesn't make sense.

...
really guys...

0_o wrote:

And I'm voting for nardi because as I've already said

0_o wrote:

EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.

I'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.

and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?

and again, I have my reasons for not voting Echo yet.

0_o wrote:

and now nardi's gone. who does that leave?

0_o, adam, Derekku, Echo, Olinad, SFG, strager. BagelBob's gone too.

</troll>

I totally forgot about my whole bandwagon idea. I'm just really relieved I didn't get killed, and at the same time am very pressured by others because I'm a hugeass target.

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

strager wrote:

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

woah, what? where did that come from?

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Unvote
Vote: 0_o

woah, what? where did that come from?

he's um. trying to lynch you instead of himself, apparently. maybe he thinks that turning on his mafia buddy will clear him.

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Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.

I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?

0_o wrote:

Oh come on, if I were mafia with him I wouldn't have made my defence of him so obvious. Although again, I've already gone through this here.

I would really like to hear from strager right now, cause I'm really starting to have doubts about my entire thought process about him... if he really was the doctor then why would he target the person who believes (or believed) him the most?

easy. you two are in the mafia together. he realized hes about to die so hes trying to free you cus if you win its still a mafia win. youre acting clueless to throw us off.

Votecount 1:

strager - 2 (adam2046, SFG)
adam2046 - 1 (0_o)
0_o - 1 (strager)

Not Voting - 3 (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)

THIS IS NOT A VOTE

I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. Please say which of the two you would vote for (ie. who do you think is more likely to be mafia) and some sort of reason as to why, preferably backed up with evidence (but not necessary). If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.

I'd also like adam to reiterate or point out the post(s) that explain why you're still voting for strager.

I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on L-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.

THIS IS NOT A VOTE

Echo wrote:

I'd like to know what derekku and sfg think about voting for adam and 0_o. If you can, present some sort of argument for who you would vote for and why.

I believe i made my position on strager crystal clear - i am completely convinced that he is mafia and im wondering a bit why you're defending him now. I mentally cleared adam when nardi was cleared (by lynch, sadly...i should have stuck with my original vote for strager), although he still falls under the "i dont know what to make of you" kind of suspicion.

I am fairly sure 0_o is strager's partner in crime, however i still believe there is a possibility that hes just a highly misled citizen. stragers recent attack on him is a bit confusing and i believe i stated my thoughts on it in an earlier post.


for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?

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I'm voting for strager purely based on how he has acted the entire game, I haven't seen many posts by him that actually make me less suspicious of him.
I've also had a feeling since I first seriously voted strager that Derek was his buddy, but that might be paranoia.

...Why are people suspicious of me anyway? I don't think anyone has actually brought any valid points up against me(at least not that I remember...)

adam: would you vote derekku or 0_o if you had to pick one of the two, and why?

Yep I guess today I'll do something new and try to show a bit of thinking from my side.
The names arein random order as I'm writing from the Wii and have no time nor will to write an alphabetical list :E

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it. So I gues that even if the chances he's Mafia are high, the chances of him being the doctor are quite as high so I wont' vote for him right now.

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

So I guess I'll vote SFG

If I had to, I would probably vote Derekku since he seems to subtley be all buddy budddy with strager in this game...hmm actually
Then again 0_o has been acting rather weird...I haven't really seen him play much so I don't really know.
Also I don't like his "gut feeling" excuse for voting, it makes him sound like a weirdo.

Oh and this is one of the things that made me suspicious of Derek:

Derekku Chan wrote:

I'm really sick of all this shit flying back and forth. To sum up how I feel without having to type a 20-page essay, Echo needs to stop being so fucking aggresive. strager has never even played before, and you're throwing every fucking thing in the book at him. We're human. We make mistakes. We slip up. It doesn't mean that strager is the bad guy, and the way that you keep pushing shit at him is really making you look the most suspicious in my book.

I'm finally throwing my vote down.

Vote. Echo.

*goes to lay down because his back is killing him*

I saw this as pretty much trying to derail discussion on strager.

If strager is mafia I would probably vote Derek over 0_o (unless something else comes up) if strager is human I would most likely vote for Echo (but I would probably be lynched that next day though)

Too bored...

...I should be worse at being mafia so it's easier to tell when I'm a human.

Thanks adam, I'm waiting for derekku's and sfg's responses now, feel free to continue with whatever other discussion that may cross your mind.

Echo wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

for that matter, its 4 to lynch and strager has 2 votes - doesnt that put him on L-2?

My mistake, fixed. So you would pick 0_o over adam? Can you show me what makes you think that adam must be paired with nardi?

the reason adam and nardi were under heightened suspicion in the first place was because of strager's bandwagon theory - a point which is entirely moot now that i know that strager is mafia and nardi is not. i also, i must confess, have not gone back to do a post study of adam to try and move him back off of the default suspicion again. perhaps i should do that after church.


0_o on the other hand has made like 90% of his posts in defense of strager. Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments? at least thats the feel i got from them. It looks to me like hes trying to defend strager but doesnt know how, and i personally say that a VILLAGER should always know why theyre defending someone before they actually start defending them. Since 0_o apparently didnt, i strongly suspect that he more than any other player is likely to be strager's accomplace.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

As SFG said, I was not the only one to defend strager, so don't try using that as an argument that I'm scum. Also, I've said at least once that I don't like strager's suspicious behavior and that I'm suspicious of him. If I was in cahoots with strager, I wouldn't be pushing suspicion on him (or obviously myself).

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

What I think about the other players in no particular order

Echo - I don't think he's mafia. But he's really good at this game so maybe he is and he's just covering it up good. I'm not sure what to think atm~

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went... I won't use the same thing on olinad. Unless that's what he wants me to think... brb WIFOM (PS Oli, post moar plz)

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

strager - I'm very suspicious of him. On one hand he could truthfully be the doctor and we should keep him safe, but on the other hand he could easily be mafia. I'm still trying to analyze information in my head about what I think about strager. :/

0_o wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Furthermore unlike most other people who defended strager with logic and basic mafia concepts (me, BagelBob, etc.) he generally either restated points or went with sort of emotional arguments?

Mind posting some quotes? I may have restated a few points, but I don't recall making any "emotional arguments"?

lol the reason the "?" was there is cus i dont remember specifics, lemme go back and look


"We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent " <--- lol i found an emotional argument but it wasnt talking about strager really lemme keep looking


"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."


"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."


"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"

thats prolly enough

Derekku wrote:

SFG - Has also been pointing towards adam for no reason. I must be missing something here. -_-

Echo asked me what i thought about adam. what ive said is basically that i dont particularly suspect him but i also havent done my research on him yet

Since everyone else seems to be doing this I'll do it myself, in the order I want to say something.

Echo
Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me. I can only think of two reasons:

He is a Mafia and will kill me later. This doesn't seem to convincing for me.
He is a Cop and looked at my role last Night, and realizes I am not a Mafia.

Echo, can you please explain yourself as to why you haven't mentioned me today?

adam
He seems to be random voting today, and generally playing with everyone because of that. I doubt that means he's a Mafia but of course that can't be ruled out.

0_o
Until you explain why you're not considering Echo as a Mafia I'm keeping my vote on you as some pressure. I know why you are defending me, and I am grateful, but as I said before sometimes you defend me when I don't need to be defended (TODO: find references; I may be wrong).

Olinad
Of course Olinad's latest post is only to make sure another nardi incident doesn't happen again, so it's impossible to determine if he's a Mafia or a Townie just by him posting.

But let's look inside his post.

Olinad wrote:

*) strager looks suspicious, but I think he only made a mistake at the beginning and then thought that not claiming as the doctor would be even worse than doing it.

I didn't cover myself up because that'd be a Mafia tell I think.

Olinad wrote:

*) Derekku isn't posting much, but well, even I am not posting much but that doesn't mean I'm part of the mafia... And even not helping the train of thought can lead to mafia, as he could simply be hiding as he has an aux role or not knowing what to say as he's confused (as I am actually! XD). So I guess I have no motivation to vote for him.

Confusion is encouraged by the Mafia I believe. I know I've been confusing but that's by my nature I guess. (If you've spoke to me IRL...) Staying away from the confusion ... I don't know how to take that myself. Whatever; this part doesn't lead me anywhere.

Olinad wrote:

*) Echo is always a big question mark in my head. I have no idea of what his role could be, as he's always attacking and really rarely defending. So... I dunno, really

In his defense he really hasn't been attacked with a convincing argument.

Olinad wrote:

*) SFG seems too resolutive. Simplyfing things is good but could lead to mistakes... and jumping to conclusions about strager and 0_o being Mafia is too much I guess.

Indeed; see below.

adam wrote:

*) dunno what to say about adam ATM, I'll read the topic more carefully and point smth out but I don't see him as really suspicious

Neither I but he seems to be arousing confusion a bit, though I just think he's being playful.

0_o wrote:

*) No idea about 0_o either - I won't hide I think he may be Mafia, but I'm not really sure as others are.

Nothing else to say for him?

SFG
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Genius! But why aren't you voting for 0_o with me, if you think we are both Mafia?

Derekku
I'll just go through his latest post.

Derekku Chan wrote:

I haven't been posting a lot because 1) I've been busy IRL 2) I haven't really had much to say.

lol at point 1.

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o - Keeps pointing fingers at adam for no reason; Defends strager; I don't understand this.

He defends me because he believes me. He also believes in my bandwagon theory, as he has stated, and is most of the reason he's voting for adam.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Olinad - Hasn't posted a whole lot, so I really don't what to make of him. One reason I thought nardi was scum was because he didn't post much, but we know how far that went...

Hmm, I wonder who pushed the vote on nardi for that.

Derekku Chan wrote:

adam - I really see nothing suspicious about adam, but he hasn't said a whole lot either. Please post more =) inb4youtwoaremafiatogetherandyou'redefendinghimyouscum

What hasn't been suspicious about adam, really? He's said a whole lot of nothing lately, IMO.

Ohh ok, I thought by emotional arguments you meant like playing heartstrings Anyway:

"So yes, I have a different opinion than Echo, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for him. Personally I'd rather wait a day and see what happens; some of your posts have been a little strange (hereby suspicious) but the fact that you might be (and probably are) the doctor is keeping me from voting for you."

iirc this was in response to strager wondering why I wasn't voting Echo when I was defending him. And it's true, I thought Echo was wrong about strager, but just because I don't agree with someone's reasoning doesn't necessarily mean I think they are mafia.

"ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi."

I'll admit, there wasn't a lot (or any) of hard evidence here. It was the first day, and we didn't have a lot to go on (and I already said I wasn't voting strager). So yes, this was mainly random/instincts.

"Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut"

Pretty much this The only people who really got any attention conversation-wise was strager and Echo. There was little to no evidence against anyone else, so I didn't want to vote for either of them, then all I really had to go on was intuition.

And to strager: I already said before that I haven't counted him out as mafia. It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.

0_o wrote:

It's just right now the only thing I had going against him is his strong conviction that you were mafia (and now I'm starting to wonder myself). I'm waiting for more information, particularly who the next night kills are, and what he has to say about other people besides you.

Can you respond to what I said elsewhere in that post you responded to?

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

Today Echo doesn't seem to have been suspicious of me at all, whereas yesterday he was crazy about me.

Just because he hasn't mentioned you yet doesn't mean he isn't suspicious of you anymore. I think right now he's just trying to get information from everyone else, since we've been so focused on you so far.

Well this was the tip-off:

Echo wrote:

I would advise that no one else vote strager as he is on L-1 L-2 right now. If you do vote him, you better make sure you have a nice argument.

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