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Why do we pretend that liberalism/capitalism is not god awful? (Pokemon thread, not political!!!!)

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Topic Starter
Ashton
Like if you support capitalism, especially laissez faire capitalism, sorry to say that you are deficient in the critical thinking department. Marx is unironically correct about a lot of his critiques of capitalism and you don't need to be a fucking communist to realize the system we live in within all western civilizations is hella stupid.

On a side note to not be too political, what pokemon do you resonate most with? For me it's snorlax because eating a really good meal and then falling asleep is fun,.
z0z
a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
Farfocele
i still think this will probably get locked
Topic Starter
Ashton
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL THREAD THIS IS A POKEMON THREAD
- Marco -
I resonate with Vaporeon
z0z
tauros/machoke
Topic Starter
Ashton

- Marco - wrote:

I resonate with Vaporeon
Are you a gooner?
- Marco -

Ashton wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

I resonate with Vaporeon
Are you a gooner?
I posted Brazilian Miku on OT! how can i not be.
Topic Starter
Ashton

- Marco - wrote:

Ashton wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

I resonate with Vaporeon
Are you a gooner?
I posted Brazilian Miku on OT! how can i not be.
I saw ojibwe miku so I respect you
- Marco -

Ashton wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

Ashton wrote:

- Marco - wrote:

I resonate with Vaporeon
Are you a gooner?
I posted Brazilian Miku on OT! how can i not be.
I saw ojibwe miku so I respect you
thanks :3
Polyspora
funny
Karmine

z0z wrote:

a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action

Pikachu.
abraker
ok but...

Corne2Plum3
Fresh Water



+30 HP or +50 HP
(depends of the game)
Potion



+20 HP

Corpos spent a lot of money to make a medical product that's less efficient than regular water (real). This is money well spent which of course could have been invested into something more useful, like erasing hunger in the world or do something against the global warming.
MistressRemilia
Yeah I don't pretend that.

And I don't know many pokemon, but I have a psyduck plushie...
z0z

Karmine wrote:

z0z wrote:

a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action

Pikachu.
good luck organizing numbers for change

abraker wrote:

ok but...

why is majora's mask on there
Polyspora

z0z wrote:

Karmine wrote:

z0z wrote:

a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action

Pikachu.
good luck organizing numbers for change
yes! hypothetical violence! the only way we know how to try solving shit

anyway if the desire is an all out revolution of sort, you need a sponsor (no armed revolution in history was put into effect solely by popular effort, you know, you gotta have some means to fight lol) so uh, I guess some billionaire thats also mad at the government idk.

from my understanding capitalism is only a problem on the internet, irl low working class people just want to feed themselves, their child and maybe buy something cool on the end of the month for them, they rely heavily on family values, of course they like material things, but its not their main objective earning 100 thousand more or having the same quality of life as a saudi prince. wanting better working conditions is totally valid.
DM FOR MUTUAL

Polyspora wrote:

z0z wrote:

Karmine wrote:

z0z wrote:

a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action

Pikachu.
good luck organizing numbers for change
yes! hypothetical violence! the only way we know how to try solving shit

anyway if the desire is an all out revolution of sort, you need a sponsor (no armed revolution in history was put into effect solely by popular effort, you know, you gotta have some means to fight lol) so uh, I guess some billionaire thats also mad at the government idk.

from my understanding capitalism is only a problem on the internet, irl low working class people just want to feed themselves, their child and maybe buy something cool on the end of the month for them, they rely heavily on family values, of course they like material things, but its not their main objective earning 100 thousand more or having the same quality of life as a saudi prince. wanting better working conditions is totally valid.
so are you ok that there's massive class divisions only because some people are rich and some people aren't and because the upper class have power they are able to and actively choose to exploit and make things worse for the lower classes in the name of selfish profit?

Honestly it's probably better than what we were doing in like the dark ages or whatever when all this shit was worse, at least now class divisions are less inherent and we got like cool medicine and science and art and technology and stuff although idk if it was capitalism that allowed all of this to happen

I feel like capitalism is god awful but also not because everything else feels like it's either worse or a pipe dream or I don't know it exists because I'm dumb and not well read

Back on topic, I really resonate with Mega Medicham. I used to use a mega medicham team during Gen 7 competitive singles, and it kinda became a meme between my friends that I really liked mega medicham, and I still have that connection to this day. When you had medicham in safely and could click high-jump-kick and kill something it was the best feeling ever
Polyspora
oh god its gonna be one of those threads
DM FOR MUTUAL

Polyspora wrote:

oh god its gonna be one of those threads
yeah I love pokemon, but I don't really think it could exist as it does now without capitalism so yeah capitalism must be good
Polyspora

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

z0z wrote:

Karmine wrote:

z0z wrote:

a lot of people don't, they just can't do much about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action

Pikachu.
good luck organizing numbers for change
yes! hypothetical violence! the only way we know how to try solving shit

anyway if the desire is an all out revolution of sort, you need a sponsor (no armed revolution in history was put into effect solely by popular effort, you know, you gotta have some means to fight lol) so uh, I guess some billionaire thats also mad at the government idk.

from my understanding capitalism is only a problem on the internet, irl low working class people just want to feed themselves, their child and maybe buy something cool on the end of the month for them, they rely heavily on family values, of course they like material things, but its not their main objective earning 100 thousand more or having the same quality of life as a saudi prince. wanting better working conditions is totally valid.
so are you ok that there's massive class divisions only because some people are rich and some people aren't and because the upper class have power they are able to and actively choose to exploit and make things worse for the lower classes in the name of selfish profit?
I'm ok with classes, if everyone is living with dignity. I dont feel envy.

the upper class have power, like they had for all human history. even in USSR (that seems like the model people enjoy), high command officers had more choosing power on the country than some random farmers (wait farmers lost their lands uh, so some random guy handling machines)

the upper class exploiting the working class usually ends with lawsuits, the worker usually wins. dunno what else to add to this. selfish and selfless companies both fall eventually, decreasing the quality of a product for profits usually ends in a bad product/service, people will look elsewhere. too high quality and cheap products will make no profit, and the company wont be able to pay the workers or sustain the costs of operation (DMC).
DM FOR MUTUAL

Polyspora wrote:

I'm ok with classes, if everyone is living with dignity. I dont feel envy.
I would ok with this as well, but not everyone lives with dignity, and a easiest target for this is people that hold power abusing that power

I'd go as far to say that as long as power is exploitable then people will exploit it leading to indignity


Polyspora wrote:

even in USSR (that seems like the model people enjoy)
Not sure where you got that from, I think most people can agree that shit was pretty ass, dare I say even worse than pokemon sword and shield


Polyspora wrote:

the upper class exploiting the working class usually ends with lawsuits, the worker usually wins. dunno what else to add to this. selfish and selfless companies both fall eventually, decreasing the quality of a product for profits usually ends in a bad product/service, people will look elsewhere. too high quality and cheap products will make no profit, and the company wont be able to pay the workers or sustain the costs of operation (DMC).
Isn't it more like the rich guy with the better lawyer wins unless it's like a gross violation of human rights or a big ass union or something, like why does like every country have a cost of living crisis

People in power can easily decrease the quality of a product because poorer people have no choice, like how gamefreak makes shitty games but we just gotta live with them because we don't have anything else
Polyspora

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

I'm ok with classes, if everyone is living with dignity. I dont feel envy.
I would ok with this as well, but not everyone lives with dignity, and a easiest target for this is people that hold power abusing that power

I'd go as far to say that as long as power is exploitable then people will exploit it leading to indignity


Polyspora wrote:

even in USSR (that seems like the model people enjoy)
Not sure where you got that from, I think most people can agree that shit was pretty ass, dare I say even worse than pokemon sword and shield


Polyspora wrote:

the upper class exploiting the working class usually ends with lawsuits, the worker usually wins. dunno what else to add to this. selfish and selfless companies both fall eventually, decreasing the quality of a product for profits usually ends in a bad product/service, people will look elsewhere. too high quality and cheap products will make no profit, and the company wont be able to pay the workers or sustain the costs of operation (DMC).
Isn't it more like the rich guy with the better lawyer wins unless it's like a gross violation of human rights or a big ass union or something, like why does like every country have a cost of living crisis

People in power can easily decrease the quality of a product because poorer people have no choice, like how gamefreak makes shitty games but we just gotta live with them because we don't have anything else
the rich guy with a lawyer will not win against someone with proper reason, like getting mauled by a heavy machine because of an unsafe work environment.

living costs, demand and supply. you'll find cheap homes in the middle of nowhere I can guarantee you that. (some open market countries built cheap giant buildings for people that cannot afford a house to live on.)

multiple companies controlling a product price (monopoly) is called a "cartel", and its a crime.

what? there are plenty of pokemon fan made games, if people stop buying the games they'll probably need to change their ways to survive lol.
Polyspora
auuugh I'm tired already, I'm past my debating phase sorry
Corne2Plum3
I have a bad feeling about this thread rn
Polyspora

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

I have a bad feeling about this thread rn
dont worry, the only capitalism defender in this subforum is now gone, you guys can keep talking about le bad system and pokemon now
Topic Starter
Ashton
Sword and shield was a good game wtf
DM FOR MUTUAL

Laxxer wrote:

Sword and shield was a good game wtf


metacritic scores from 2 years ago

source: random reddit post that popped up on google

Looks like pokemon SV is back in the 70s

And I agree, out of all the mainline pokemon games I played the only game I have 0 fondness of is SwSh
Isshiki Kaname
No political system is perfect, everything has its issues. Sorry Americans, communism is good on paper, HOWEVER, it was always abused by the people higher in power to do heinous acts.
Personally, leaning towards demsoc

In any case, imagine being a Rotom stuck in a pokedex.
ColdTooth
what a lovely thread! i sure hope nothing political is happening!
Blushing
something I really despise is the switch from 2D to 3D. While cool we get to see Pokémon in the way the game creators envisioned it… I fear the 2D games held a lot of substance rather than the frivolous stuff they’ve added to the recent games.

I will say I’ve also kind of out grown Pokémon in my own opinion. Last game I played seriously was X and Y, maybe Ruby and Sapphire remakes (where is my emerald remake, and platinum remake?!?!?!?!?). So I don’t nearly have an interest in the games as I once did.

2D and black and white, that’s how I like my gamefreak games!

I think the Pokémon I resonate with the most isssssssssssssss shuckle
DM FOR MUTUAL

Blushing wrote:

something I really despise is the switch from 2D to 3D. While cool we get to see Pokémon in the way the game creators envisioned it… I fear the 2D games held a lot of substance rather than the frivolous stuff they’ve added to the recent games.

I will say I’ve also kind of out grown Pokémon in my own opinion. Last game I played seriously was X and Y, maybe Ruby and Sapphire remakes (where is my emerald remake, and platinum remake?!?!?!?!?). So I don’t nearly have an interest in the games as I once did.

2D and black and white, that’s how I like my gamefreak games!

I think the Pokémon I resonate with the most isssssssssssssss shuckle
I think it was inevitable, Gamefreak can't keep being a AAA game company and just keep making 2D games, they have to get with the times, which is sad because I liked the 2D games too. I don't think it's 3D that's the problem, I think Gamefreak is just bad at making 3D games somehow even though they hold the keys to a flagship nintendo franchise. It is 100% possible for there to be a fully realised 3D pokemon game that blows every 2D game out of the water, but idk if that'll ever happen. However, pokemon SV is a promising step in that direction even with all it's flaws imo. I wish they'd just take a few years off of pumping out games and really reimagine pokemon as a 3D game, while leaving behind all the baggage that the formulaic 2D games came with in the past, but that probably won't happen because CAPITALISM (politics jumpscare)
Polyspora

KatouMegumi wrote:

No political system is perfect, everything has its issues. Sorry Americans, communism is good on paper, HOWEVER, it was always abused by the people higher in power to do heinous acts.
we're all equal, but some of us are more equal than the others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

also I dont think americans are interested on full communism lol, that would be a funny turn of events
- Marco -

abraker wrote:

ok but...

you know what? firetruck it

Patatitta
idk how hot of a take that is, but seeing discussion about modern pokemon, I just have to say, pokemon has never really been that good?

The way I see it, pokemon is an inherently social game, this is a game that has very weak storytelling and gameplay across all entries, (no, the story of black and white isn't peak just for the sake of it being slightlier edgier for the standards of a pokemon game). The point of pokemon, right from the start was trading and talking about your friends about pokemon

the most fun i've had with pokemon was situations outside the game. It was trading pokemon cards at school, it was talking about ways we found to capture legendary pokemon, it was battling my friends, it was booting up my old copy of pokemon omega ruby and seeing in my secret base I somehow I still remembered the location the trainer of a friend I haven't talked with for 10 years

pokemon is a VERY unique game in that regard, no other game has a social component that strong IMO, the ones that do are highly competitive. The only other game that maybe comes to mind would be tomodachi life

While I do agree that recent games are glitchier, and while I do prefeer the old 2D sprites, I don't think the essence of pokemon has gone anywhere, the culture of pokemon is still very much alive, it's just, we're not in the right social circles.

When I see people talking about how to improve pokemon, a lot of arguments repeat, which are often stuff like "the game should be harder" or "the story should be better", but I think this is missing the point. These are the standards we uphold to all RPG's, but pokemon isn't your normal RPG, it isn't trying to be xenogears or whatever, what pokemon is trying to do, is, entirerily and completely different, and when talking about how to improve pokemon or what makes a certain pokemon game good and another bad, we should take that into consideration
ColdTooth
the last GOOD pokemon was platinum, anything after it was a mix of either "eh, whatever" to "wow this is complete and utter shit"

i feel like the latest 2 generations of pokemon feel just out of place compared to other generations, it wouldnt surprise me if they used ai-generated pokemon and then refined it as their own
WitherMite

Patatitta wrote:

idk how hot of a take that is, but seeing discussion about modern pokemon, I just have to say, pokemon has never really been that good?

The way I see it, pokemon is an inherently social game, this is a game that has very weak storytelling and gameplay across all entries, (no, the story of black and white isn't peak just for the sake of it being slightlier edgier for the standards of a pokemon game). The point of pokemon, right from the start was trading and talking about your friends about pokemon

the most fun i've had with pokemon was situations outside the game. It was trading pokemon cards at school, it was talking about ways we found to capture legendary pokemon, it was battling my friends, it was booting up my old copy of pokemon omega ruby and seeing in my secret base I somehow I still remembered the location the trainer of a friend I haven't talked with for 10 years

pokemon is a VERY unique game in that regard, no other game has a social component that strong IMO, the ones that do are highly competitive. The only other game that maybe comes to mind would be tomodachi life

While I do agree that recent games are glitchier, and while I do prefeer the old 2D sprites, I don't think the essence of pokemon has gone anywhere, the culture of pokemon is still very much alive, it's just, we're not in the right social circles.

When I see people talking about how to improve pokemon, a lot of arguments repeat, which are often stuff like "the game should be harder" or "the story should be better", but I think this is missing the point. These are the standards we uphold to all RPG's, but pokemon isn't your normal RPG, it isn't trying to be xenogears or whatever, what pokemon is trying to do, is, entirerily and completely different, and when talking about how to improve pokemon or what makes a certain pokemon game good and another bad, we should take that into consideration
Yea, all my best memories of pokemon were playing the gen 4 games with my brother, trading back and forth between multiple HG/SS playthroughs, showing each other the full odds shinies we got (mine were hoothoot in diamond and tentacool in SS), collecting/breeding cool pokemon, and occasionally having battles.

Though in gen 6 I got bored of the games despite that, idk if its something different about the games or if I just got tired of the same thing idk. We slowed down alot in gen 5 too but I think thats just because the games main stories were so much longer and school was getting more time consuming for us.

actually now that I think about it I remember we only had one 3DS because they were so expensive. that was honestly probably the reason.
keremaru

abraker wrote:

ok but...

i wouldve been completely fine with forgetting that gates to infinity was a game

but im legitimately surprised that dusknoir isnt higher on the authoritarian scale (he is literally the head honcho underneath primal dialga)

also grovyle is my goat
Topic Starter
Ashton
gen 1 was kinda garbo to me but i loved gen 2. i also really liked gen 6 in spite of it being dumbed down and super easy. mostly because of the new graphics, the vibe of paris, mega evo's (still the best gimmick mechanic in any pokemon game to this date. miss me with that tera / z move / gigantimax bullshit) and high character customizability as well as the usual online features for trading and battling.

i agree with the new game hate though. i miss the difficulty from the older gens even if most of the difficulty was more or less on how long you were willing to beat up wild pokemon. new games just feel like a super long cutscene
Patatitta

Laxxer wrote:

gen 1 was kinda garbo to me but i loved gen 2. i also really liked gen 6 in spite of it being dumbed down and super easy. mostly because of the new graphics, the vibe of paris, mega evo's (still the best gimmick mechanic in any pokemon game to this date. miss me with that tera / z move / gigantimax bullshit) and high character customizability as well as the usual online features for trading and battling.

i agree with the new game hate though. i miss the difficulty from the older gens even if most of the difficulty was more or less on how long you were willing to beat up wild pokemon. new games just feel like a super long cutscene
yeah, old games really wasn't difficult, it just was more annoying
DM FOR MUTUAL

Patatitta wrote:

idk how hot of a take that is, but seeing discussion about modern pokemon, I just have to say, pokemon has never really been that good?

The way I see it, pokemon is an inherently social game, this is a game that has very weak storytelling and gameplay across all entries, (no, the story of black and white isn't peak just for the sake of it being slightlier edgier for the standards of a pokemon game). The point of pokemon, right from the start was trading and talking about your friends about pokemon

the most fun i've had with pokemon was situations outside the game. It was trading pokemon cards at school, it was talking about ways we found to capture legendary pokemon, it was battling my friends, it was booting up my old copy of pokemon omega ruby and seeing in my secret base I somehow I still remembered the location the trainer of a friend I haven't talked with for 10 years

pokemon is a VERY unique game in that regard, no other game has a social component that strong IMO, the ones that do are highly competitive. The only other game that maybe comes to mind would be tomodachi life

While I do agree that recent games are glitchier, and while I do prefeer the old 2D sprites, I don't think the essence of pokemon has gone anywhere, the culture of pokemon is still very much alive, it's just, we're not in the right social circles.

When I see people talking about how to improve pokemon, a lot of arguments repeat, which are often stuff like "the game should be harder" or "the story should be better", but I think this is missing the point. These are the standards we uphold to all RPG's, but pokemon isn't your normal RPG, it isn't trying to be xenogears or whatever, what pokemon is trying to do, is, entirerily and completely different, and when talking about how to improve pokemon or what makes a certain pokemon game good and another bad, we should take that into consideration
I don't think saying pokemon games aren't that good is a hot take, especially if you put a pokemon game next to most other games, they start looking pretty mid. I think if you look at a pokemon game in a vacuum chamber it's hard not to agree.

However maybe this is just nostalgia but I do think that when you try and look at pokemon in an objective manner, it's very easy to underrate how good pokemon games actually are I feel. Like maybe you look at pokemon through it's story, it's characters, the gameplay, if you as a player grow and get better throughout a playthrough, through it's ability to challenge and test a player and give satisfaction for overcoming those challenges, in the 3D games the graphics and their polish, whatever, and Pokemon kinda does all of these pretty poorly. But I think there's something to be said in how enjoyable they are and how they stick as precious memories for a lot of people. Before high school I don't think there was a single game I enjoyed more than Pokemon games, and even with all their presumed flaws they are some of my favourite games to this day, and the only "finite" games that I regularly replay. Yeah a lot of this is due to the social nature of pokemon as a kid, but I still think that is part of what makes pokemon such great games, as you said as a kid pokemon was in it's own tier socially (shout out to skylanders that shit was fire, beat it with my 7 year old cousin recently and he loved it too)

And even though I said that I feel like overall the social nature of the games wasn't that big of a reason why I liked them. Talking about pokemon with my friends was a big reason I played these games, but I really feel like I enjoyed the games for what they were. I think this is true with gen 5, I don't really remember talking about BW or B2W2 with any of my friends except them saying they were shit because they had 2D graphics, I think the school's pokemon interest was over by then, but it's still my second favourite generation. Maybe that might just be me though, for some reason I never lost my pokemon interest and kept playing even though my friends didn't.
[ Sebastian ]
Patatitta

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

idk how hot of a take that is, but seeing discussion about modern pokemon, I just have to say, pokemon has never really been that good?

The way I see it, pokemon is an inherently social game, this is a game that has very weak storytelling and gameplay across all entries, (no, the story of black and white isn't peak just for the sake of it being slightlier edgier for the standards of a pokemon game). The point of pokemon, right from the start was trading and talking about your friends about pokemon

the most fun i've had with pokemon was situations outside the game. It was trading pokemon cards at school, it was talking about ways we found to capture legendary pokemon, it was battling my friends, it was booting up my old copy of pokemon omega ruby and seeing in my secret base I somehow I still remembered the location the trainer of a friend I haven't talked with for 10 years

pokemon is a VERY unique game in that regard, no other game has a social component that strong IMO, the ones that do are highly competitive. The only other game that maybe comes to mind would be tomodachi life

While I do agree that recent games are glitchier, and while I do prefeer the old 2D sprites, I don't think the essence of pokemon has gone anywhere, the culture of pokemon is still very much alive, it's just, we're not in the right social circles.

When I see people talking about how to improve pokemon, a lot of arguments repeat, which are often stuff like "the game should be harder" or "the story should be better", but I think this is missing the point. These are the standards we uphold to all RPG's, but pokemon isn't your normal RPG, it isn't trying to be xenogears or whatever, what pokemon is trying to do, is, entirerily and completely different, and when talking about how to improve pokemon or what makes a certain pokemon game good and another bad, we should take that into consideration
I don't think saying pokemon games aren't that good is a hot take, especially if you put a pokemon game next to most other games, they start looking pretty mid. I think if you look at a pokemon game in a vacuum chamber it's hard not to agree.

However maybe this is just nostalgia but I do think that when you try and look at pokemon in an objective manner, it's very easy to underrate how good pokemon games actually are I feel. Like maybe you look at pokemon through it's story, it's characters, the gameplay, if you as a player grow and get better throughout a playthrough, through it's ability to challenge and test a player and give satisfaction for overcoming those challenges, in the 3D games the graphics and their polish, whatever, and Pokemon kinda does all of these pretty poorly. But I think there's something to be said in how enjoyable they are and how they stick as precious memories for a lot of people. Before high school I don't think there was a single game I enjoyed more than Pokemon games, and even with all their presumed flaws they are some of my favourite games to this day, and the only "finite" games that I regularly replay. Yeah a lot of this is due to the social nature of pokemon as a kid, but I still think that is part of what makes pokemon such great games, as you said as a kid pokemon was in it's own tier socially (shout out to skylanders that shit was fire, beat it with my 7 year old cousin recently and he loved it too)

And even though I said that I feel like overall the social nature of the games wasn't that big of a reason why I liked them. Talking about pokemon with my friends was a big reason I played these games, but I really feel like I enjoyed the games for what they were. I think this is true with gen 5, I don't really remember talking about BW or B2W2 with any of my friends except them saying they were shit because they had 2D graphics, I think the school's pokemon interest was over by then, but it's still my second favourite generation. Maybe that might just be me though, for some reason I never lost my pokemon interest and kept playing even though my friends didn't.
If you ignore all comparasions with other videogames, yes, any videogame is peak.

I think you're missing the point here, what i'm claiming is that while pokemon is an RPG, what pokemon does isn't what most other RPG try to do, and we should measure pokemon by that. The last few pokemon games (or all in general) are bad RPGs, but they're not bad pokemon games, I think that distiction is very important (in fact, I think that feeling has overall improved with pokemon violet?, like, unironically, fuck world ending catastrophes, having a very open, low stakes, slice of life plot is a BANGER fit for pokemon, unironically one of the best pokemon plotlines) . I'm not saying pokemon is a bad videogame or that you cant have it as your fav, what I mean is that a lot of criticism torward pokemon is missguided

Also, you make the assumption here that the social aspect ends at IRL interaction, but interacting with the online pokemon community, calling yourself a pokemon fan, owning pokemon plushies, or making vaporeon jokes, those are all part of that social experience that i'm talking about
Jangsoodlor
workers of the world, unite!
Manishh
Don't use big words, i forgets how to understand english
Polyspora

Jangsoodlor wrote:

workers of the world, unite!
no! please! they'll take all my privileges away!
DM FOR MUTUAL

Patatitta wrote:

If you ignore all comparasions with other videogames, yes, any videogame is peak.

I think you're missing the point here, what i'm claiming is that while pokemon is an RPG, what pokemon does isn't what most other RPG try to do, and we should measure pokemon by that. The last few pokemon games (or all in general) are bad RPGs, but they're not bad pokemon games, I think that distiction is very important
I didn't say it clearly but I agree that pokemon isn't what most rpgs are trying to do, that's kinda what I was trying to get at by saying that it's easy to underrate if you compare it with other games. I was trying to say that pokemon isn't special because of the social aspect but because of other things that are more fundamental to the game itself that can lend itself to creating the social aspect, while it seemed like your original post was implying otherwise.

Patatitta wrote:

I'm not saying pokemon is a bad videogame or that you cant have it as your fav, what I mean is that a lot of criticism torward pokemon is missguided
Yeah I agree, it's just that your post kinda made it seem like you were saying pokemon games were bad

Patatitta wrote:

(in fact, I think that feeling has overall improved with pokemon violet?, like, unironically, fuck world ending catastrophes, having a very open, low stakes, slice of life plot is a BANGER fit for pokemon, unironically one of the best pokemon plotlines)
I disagree, I didn't really care for SV's story until the very end bit, I guess Arven's story was kinda interesting but for everything else I didn't care at all, and it doesn't help that I felt like the story was structured in a super lame/uninteresting way. I'm not sure what type of story I like in pokemon games, I just know that Lillie in pokemon SM is my favourite story thing that pokemon has ever done, even though I don't think it was that good ultimately.

Patatitta wrote:

Also, you make the assumption here that the social aspect ends at IRL interaction, but interacting with the online pokemon community, calling yourself a pokemon fan, owning pokemon plushies, or making vaporeon jokes, those are all part of that social experience that i'm talking about
Yeah I overlooked this but my point still stands

And how is this online social aspect different from any other moderately popular game, it's just that pokemon is bigger and more expansive with everything with fan games etc. I think that IRL interaction was what really made pokemon really stand out though, no other games reached the social impact pokemon had IRL on the schoolground.
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Who would have thought the pokemon part would cause more discourse than politics part of my post
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Who would have thought the pokemon part would cause more discourse than politics part of my post
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Karmine wrote:

Laxxer wrote:

Who would have thought the pokemon part would cause more discourse than politics part of my post
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