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The President's Possible Impeachment Investigation

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Kobold84


Let's delve into the constitution and see if the current president really had violated it in any way. First we have to preface that the constitution was not made by the government for the people. Instead, it was written by the people for the government so that the latter remains fair to all denizens and dwellers. As such, for any constitution changes and even amends you have to consult with everyone in OT.

Without further ado, we are beginning the pre-trial investigation submitted by Jangsoodlor, the serving chairman of the UWU party, and led by Kobold84, the serving government clerk. The current agenda is to determine possible constitutional contraventions and if there were any impeachable offenses done within the president term. This is NOT a trial. The investigation is done only to establish whether it's rightful to start a trial that will decide the president's fate.


OT Constitution wrote:

The denizens shall practice their legislative powers through the OTParliament, wherein the representatives being voted for are voted through free elections for which each individual's vote shall be classified as secret.
This is pretty bad. Not for Patatitta, but for the previous president. No parliament was elected if you don't remember. If this goes through, any denizen chosen during the eblf term might get their status revoked. However, this will probably overcomplicate things. So as long as the current parliament doesn't mind that denizens were elected without legitimacy, they can mutually agree to give such legitimacy to the past decisions. All in all, crisis averted.
It is NOT an impeachable offense.


OT Constitution wrote:

IV.a. The right to vote in the elections is reserved for denizens of OT whom have gotten denizenship.
First real issue. The parliament elections were not hold among denizens, the right to vote was given to anyone. This does pose a problem for the parliament elections. However, the current president was chosen by denizens, as such it is NOT an impeachable offense.

If you really wanted to, you could hold new parliament elections, but honestly, it goes against the spirit of the law. After all, dwellers are as important as denizens.

OT Constitution wrote:

VIII. There shall be no less than elected 5 representatives into the OTParliament, wherein one of them serves as the president.
You could argue this is indeed a breach. There are currently 3 elected parliament members along with the president. So 4. One elected individual is not present and that would be Hydreigon. As he was not given a seat in the parliament, all decisions coming from the government are missing that one person. You got it right, it IS an impeachable offense.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXVI. Before entering office, the president shall swear the following oath: "I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution."
XXXVII. The president shall at the start and end of his term, give a speech addressing the State of OT, and recommend to the OTParliament what to do.
So this is why the report was initially submitted. Indeed, it is written in plain text, the president shall swear the oath. Considering Patatitta did not do that, there's an argument he became a president to "unrightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will not to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the constitution". In layman's terms, he became the president in bad faith. Also, you could argue no speech addressing the state of OT was made, but that is more up to your interpretation.
It IS an impeachable offense.

To conclude this investigation, some might ask "can you even indict THE president?" and yes, you can:

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXVIII. The president, and all other civil officers of OT, shall be removed from office on conviction of high crimes and misdemeanors
In this case going against the constitution could be considered a high crime. However, there could also be other issues done by the serving president, if you have any grudges or have something to report against Patatitta, please leave a message in the thread. It will be further discussed during the trial proceedings.

RESULT: THE INVESTIGATION HAD FOUND TWO IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES, THE TRIAL WILL BE HELD IN OT COURT AFTER THE DISCUSSION PHASE IN THIS THREAD IS OVER.

Ymir
Peaches aren't that great of a fruit.
Asian Warlord
they pray on his down fall
DM FOR MUTUAL
this is why democracy is bad patatitta should've immediately seized as much power as he could and established a dictatorship
[ Rynn ]

Ymir wrote:

Peaches aren't that great of a fruit.
at least they taste good tho
Reyalp51
get hydreigon with us
Patatitta


I was misslead (corne was also in the chat)

Nuuskamuikkunen

Ymir wrote:

Peaches aren't that great of a fruit.
I do agree with this.

[ Rynn ] wrote:

Ymir wrote:

Peaches aren't that great of a fruit.
at least they taste good tho
Not much.
Patatitta
I like peaches
Ymir
I don't care about all these, can you impeach him for being a vegetable?
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Patatitta wrote:



I was misslead (corne was also in the chat)

It's one of the president's duties to know the constitution. Ignorantia juris non excusat.
But even so, there's still a trial to decide.

Ymir wrote:

I don't care about all these, can you impeach him for being a vegetable?
I'm peach.
ColdTooth
WOOHOO PUT ME IN CHARGE I'LL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT ASK FOR HUGS
Nuuskamuikkunen

ColdTooth wrote:

WOOHOO PUT ME IN CHARGE I'LL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT ASK FOR HUGS
FINALLY I CAN VOTE FOR SOMEONE THAT HAS THE SAME PRESIDFENT PHILOSOPHY AS ME
anaxii

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

this is why democracy is bad patatitta should've immediately seized as much power as he could and established a dictatorship
First of all, even if he wanted to, he would never be able to initiate a real dictatorship in this place because of he's helped by the government who also have to play their part in the system

Second of all, the people must also play their part in the president's decisions so that we always find a balance between what he wants and what we want. Without that, it would be hell basically
Asian Warlord
so this election was rigged?
[ Rynn ]

ColdTooth wrote:

WOOHOO PUT ME IN CHARGE I'LL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT ASK FOR HUGS
YIPPEEE!!!
Hydreigon

Reyalp51 wrote:

get hydreigon with us
Karmine

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:


I was misslead (corne was also in the chat)

It's one of the president's duties to know the constitution. Ignorantia juris non excusat.
But even so, there's still a trial to decide.
Counterpoint: former government didn't even know there was a constitution and are now trying to use it against the current government.
Parliament not being elected is clearly the worst offense here.

Also considering the constitution was never really enforced and was made at a time when OT was very different it makes no sense to start enforcing it now.
Example of that is the oath, if the constitution was made today it wouldn't be a thing and no one actually cares about it, some dude just dug it up with the intention of abusing it to go against the result of rightful elections.

All in all if there is a trial it will be in bad faith.
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Karmine wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:


I was misslead (corne was also in the chat)

It's one of the president's duties to know the constitution. Ignorantia juris non excusat.
But even so, there's still a trial to decide.
Counterpoint: former government didn't even know there was a constitution and are now trying to use it against the current government.
Parliament not being elected is clearly the worst offense here.

Also considering the constitution was never really enforced and was made at a time when OT was very different it makes no sense to start enforcing it now.
Example of that is the oath, if the constitution was made today it wouldn't be a thing and no one actually cares about it, some dude just dug it up with the intention of abusing it to go against the result of rightful elections.

All in all if there is a trial it will be in bad faith.
I fail to see how the former government is using that against the current government. Jang was never in the government in the first place, not to mention there was no former government. Eblf acted on his own during his term, everyone posing as the parliament or the government during that period were all simple denizens acting on behalf of the president. Which is unconstitutional, mind you.

"it wouldn't be a thing" is not actually true. You don't know for certain if it would or would not be a thing. The oath is in place and it's a duty of the president to upkeep it. It's not hard.
Scyla
I'll replace Patatita as president

Press 1 if you agree
Scyla
This is coup de etat
Patatitta
I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
anaxii

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
Then if it happens, who's going to be the president?
Topic Starter
Kobold84

his everything wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
Then if it happens, who's going to be the president?
The one who is appointed by the parliament to act his place. Could be anyone, really.
anaxii

Kobold84 wrote:

his everything wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
Then if it happens, who's going to be the president?
The one who is appointed by the parliament to act his place. Could be anyone, really.
The OT!Parliament will therefore have to organize mini-elections between them to decide who will replace the president who represents an entire nation...
Scyla

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
Pls no, i was kidding
Karmine

Kobold84 wrote:

his everything wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
Then if it happens, who's going to be the president?
The one who is appointed by the parliament to act his place. Could be anyone, really.
It doesn't explicitly state that it has to be someone else :D
Manishh
WHAT? OUR PRESIDENT? our president did acts like this?? THERE IS NO WAY, THIS IS INHUMAN.
Corne2Plum3
I was gone for like 8 hours because of school work and I missed this!?
anaxii

Karmine wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

his everything wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I want to make an annoucement that if I ever lose presidenship before my term finishes I want scyla to be next
It's actually possible.

OT Constitution wrote:

XXXV. In case of the removal, death, resignation, or inability to perform duties of the President, the OTParliament may appoint an officer who shall act as president until the inability is removed or a new president is elected.
Then if it happens, who's going to be the president?
The one who is appointed by the parliament to act his place. Could be anyone, really.
It doesn't explicitly state that it has to be someone else :D
I wonder who is going to be the "officer" in question...
- Marco -
He was never my president anyway. I obey only My Queen
Polyspora

Kobold84 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:


I was misslead (corne was also in the chat)

It's one of the president's duties to know the constitution. Ignorantia juris non excusat.
But even so, there's still a trial to decide.
Counterpoint: former government didn't even know there was a constitution and are now trying to use it against the current government.
Parliament not being elected is clearly the worst offense here.

Also considering the constitution was never really enforced and was made at a time when OT was very different it makes no sense to start enforcing it now.
Example of that is the oath, if the constitution was made today it wouldn't be a thing and no one actually cares about it, some dude just dug it up with the intention of abusing it to go against the result of rightful elections.

All in all if there is a trial it will be in bad faith.
I fail to see how the former government is using that against the current government.
We’re not lmao
This guy is just biased and I am quite tired of explaining things
So y’all can just go fuck yourselves lol
Topic Starter
Kobold84
So uh…
Every impeachable offense has now been corrected. The president Patatitta is now free of all charges against him.
Ymir
You still haven't charged him for being a literal spud. Do you job, matey.
DM FOR MUTUAL

Kobold84 wrote:

So uh…
Every impeachable offense has now been corrected. The president Patatitta is now free of all charges against him.
crazy plot twist

this shit goes hard
Karmine
So now what about the trial for previous gov so we can revert everything they did?
Jangsoodlor

Karmine wrote:

So now what about the trial for previous gov so we can revert everything they did?
Unfortunately, the constitution does not specify WHO should host the parliamentary election. And we can't find any law that could be used to retroactively prosecute the former president.
Isshiki Kaname
man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
Patatitta

KatouMegumi wrote:

man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
you can still do them
Isshiki Kaname

Patatitta wrote:

KatouMegumi wrote:

man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
you can still do them
ok nerd
Karmine

KatouMegumi wrote:

man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
But this whole thing is brainless posts.
Isshiki Kaname

Karmine wrote:

KatouMegumi wrote:

man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
But this whole thing is brainless posts.
you should check blitzfrog posts back in the day lmao
Manishh
So kobold, if the consistution says that only denizen should be allowed in the election, then why are we allowing a non denizen in the parliament. why should he have the voting power? decisions seems quite biased here
- Marco -

KatouMegumi wrote:

man. this role play thing went for far too long. i want my brainless posts back
but when i do it they call the psychologist :(
we live in a society frfr
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Manishh wrote:

So kobold, if the consistution says that only denizen should be allowed in the election, then why are we allowing a non denizen in the parliament. why should he have the voting power? decisions seems quite biased here
It only mentions denizens participating in the president elections. For parliament elections, there's nothing.
Jarcrafted
This is crazy fr
Manishh

Kobold84 wrote:

Manishh wrote:

So kobold, if the consistution says that only denizen should be allowed in the election, then why are we allowing a non denizen in the parliament. why should he have the voting power? decisions seems quite biased here
It only mentions denizens participating in the president elections. For parliament elections, there's nothing.
lmao you know its a loophole right? Damn we are really going to allow it jeez
Karmine

Manishh wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Manishh wrote:

So kobold, if the consistution says that only denizen should be allowed in the election, then why are we allowing a non denizen in the parliament. why should he have the voting power? decisions seems quite biased here
It only mentions denizens participating in the president elections. For parliament elections, there's nothing.
lmao you know its a loophole right? Damn we are really going to allow it jeez
We allowed a gov with no elections so yeah I don't think that's a problem.
Having a wave of new denizen just before elections has been done before too so that's not really new.
Manishh
of course government will allow something which benefit them lol
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