okay let me look at all pertienent BagelBob posts cus i dont remember being attacked by him
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o (here as well as at bottom cus this is a hugeass post"I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!"
<-- not really an attack on me, or really serious."strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
parody wrote:
Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.
Also, no one should be getting pissed off right now. There hasn't been enough time for anyone to act super-suspicious, so votes at this point don't really mean much.
Oh, and I'm CDT (gmt-5). But I have a weird schedule."
<--- looks like hes accusing strager a little bit but nothing more"I'm sorry, I must have missed it.
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Also, I'd have to agree that it was just kuu raging. Maybe some time away from these games will do him good. And whare be An SFG?"
<--- no accusationBagelBob wrote:
Echo wrote:
edit:
note to everyone: I've probably made just as many posts as strager has. If I can pick holes in strager's arguments and claims, then any lies, inconsistencies or logical fallacies I've made should also be just as evident. I encourage you to through and confirm or deny, for yourself, the authenticity of my train of thought.
Well, if you insist.
Echo wrote:
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.
I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.
I've never heard of this rule. Furthermore, I feel as though you're putting words in his mouth. He never claimed to be the cop, and you were the first person who said he was the doc.
Also, I'd like to point out.
Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role.
viewtopic.php?p=139874#p139874
Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor.
viewtopic.php?p=139897#p139897
Echo wrote:
First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed.
viewtopic.php?p=140180#p140180
Thus, I repeat
BagelBob wrote:
Echo, could you point me to where strager claims?
However, I don't want to give the wrong idea. I agree with most of the things you've said about strager(one disagreement is that when he gives up, you think that's more scummy while I think it doesn't show anything but fatigue while another is that I'd like to give him more credit than doubt for backing off his claim that he should consider adam town for the day rather than have him continue pushing that adam is still town). But everything else looks right on the money.
I'd also like to add
strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.
That statement both implies that you were not defending yourself and states that you have a defense.
Oh, and Derekuu-Chan, this is a summery, not a suspicion list. However, I feel that I should apologize. I forgot that sarcasm can't be conveyed over the internets.
When I said before
BagelBob wrote:
I Vote Kuu for lying! This is NO wolf game!
It was in response to
kuu wrote:
I FORGOT AM I INVITED HERE---OH RIGHT IT'S THE WOLF GAME IM NOT IN.
Where I meant to show that kuu was lying about being in the game. Trying to stay low on the radar or just being kuu? I'll never know.
And any parodies I do are for my own amusement. If they should happen to point out a newbie mistake that could be a scum-tell, so be it.
this looks more like an attack on ECHO than anything else, and a defense on stragerBagelBob wrote:
First, I want to finish up what I started.
I believe this is the full list concerning the doktor.
s: The Doctor PM says "If your protection is successful" -- does this mean the protection can fail? Or does it mean that the protection fails if the Mafia did not target the person you targeted?
E: Doesn't that mean you're doctor >.>
E: dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
s: D= I didn't mean to.
E: strager hasn't even role claimed - I said he was doctor
D: Sounds like he confirmed it to me. >_>
E: That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion.
E: First, you claim an important role.
E: Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.
E: First, I suggested that strager was doctor, to which he immediately confirmed. The real doctor wouldn't have wanted to expose himself - he'd die night 1 and the whole town would be in a bit of trouble.
BB: Echo, could you post where strager role claims?
E: viewtopic.php?p=139263#p139263 (s: D= I didn't mean to.)
When I say he "claimed" doctor, I was referring to this incident in the post above. I merely suggested he was doctor, and he "claimed" it by saying he "didn't mean to". As (I think) I've pointed out before, strager didn't claim doctor explicitly, which is what I mean by him not "claiming" doctor.
What I learned from all of this is that I didn't read thoroughly enough. It turns out that that second time that Echo says firstly, he expands it to say that he did admit the claim soon. The only part that isn't exactly consistent now is "That's not a claim, it's a passing suggestion", but that's negligible.
Result: strager has claimed to be the doc (by which I mean that I won't say it's too suspicious)
Also, FOS, is a Finger of Suspicion. It's a way of saying that you think someone is a candidate for lynching, but not as strong as a vote.(feel free to say I'm wrong about the weight, Echo, you are the one who used it)
strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!
However, I do like the idea of a fake-claim of the doktor, like I thought Suburu and kuu were doing in WW2. I've seen it work before, and I know it has the potential to be really great.
strager wrote:
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Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in his latest next-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.
I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?
lulz @ adam for the Monty Python reference
I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.
However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.
he's still arguing over strager and Echook fuck the text walls im going to start only pulling the pertinent stuff
"this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.
Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?"
directing suspicion on strager"...Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic."
again, attacking strager"I meant to get mad at Olinad. You said that you were busy on weekdays, but that you would post Saturday. You show up Sunday, say you've read the thread, and then nothing. Post your thoughts, your opinions. Isn't there anything you want to say?
Nardii, what's up with you, did you forget about us?
0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier? You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut? I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor? If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member? I'm not saying you have to vote for either one, but it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole mess.
SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?"
no specific attack on any one person, just a lot of suggestions for leading discussion"From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?
This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.
A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell. In addition, scum might try and keep a claimed-doctor alive in order that not being night killed sets them up for a lynch later on. There could be any number of reasons going through a scum's head.
Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case."
attacking strager"nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor."
attacking strager"
I call BS, you meant to claim your roll. I was in the IRC with you before the game started. You could have sent your question as a PM to Suburu. You could have easily said that you were just curious. While lies generally do not help the town, the doctor role-claiming on the first day is worse.
Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?
Neither of those two pieces of code deals with our set-up. Why are you wasting time with things that don't apply? You can code all day, but when you get down to it, we aren't lynching someone at random. All that code does is consume time and block discussion."
attacking strager"20:56 < BagelBob> strager
20:57 < strager> yo
20:57 < BagelBob> the reason that it turns out that no lynch is good for your 1 maf 7 town
20:57 < BagelBob> is because it's an even number of people
20:57 < strager> I know
20:57 < strager> But I know that only for one-Mafia games.
20:57 < strager> I wanted to check for OUR games.
20:57 < BagelBob> we have an odd number of people"
attacking strager"strager wrote:
One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.
To put this simply, I don't believe you. "
attacking strager"strager wrote:
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):
Would you care to contradict yourself again?"
attacking strager"For one, I wasn't talking about our game on the IRC. I was telling strager that his comments didn't apply to our game.
For another, I refuse to read strager and derekuu's conversation on the IRC."
attacking strager and Derekku"With SFG having switched to believing strager(at least for now), there aren't enough votes to lynch strager.
Regarding the decision between adam and nardi:
Adam has been here since the beginning of the game. He first voted for strager in a random vote, but then when strager started to act suspicious, he stated his thoughts and has since continued posting and keeping up with the game.
nardi, on the other hand, showed up for a little bit and voted strager without adding anything new. He has since posted a few times, but mostly just says he doesn't know what to think, that he's in the middle of the road, despite still voting for strager.
Thus, for bandwagoning and lurking, I
Unvote: strager
Vote: nardi"
standpoint on strager is very obvious"When you say "his buddy" who are you referring to? (nardi is "a Mafia" in that sentence, yes?)
Also, I don't want to lynch him before he gets a chance to speak so
Unvote Nardi"
attacking strager (strager is the "you")"I'm sorry, I read that wrong.
"If he is a Mafia, he's trying to sabotage the game by the same cause so Mafia loses."
This reasoning escapes me so much, I must have changed Mafia loses to Town loses just to keep my sanity."
attacking strager"Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
and I think Echo said "Thank you very much," but I'm not sure."
him = strager. not really talking much"0_o, I think you said you're voting for nardi. Do you have any reasons for the vote, or is it just bandwagoning?"
prodding 0_o"Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor."
questioning 0_o"Maybe I phrased my question in a way that you didn't understand.
What is the difference between Echo, nardi, and adam that makes nardi and adam acceptable candidates for lynch and Echo not?
Also, as for quitting, both a townie and a mafia can quit, that shouldn't be a tell for anything, and he would lie for the same reason any mafia would lie."
logic"nardi, anything else you want to say? At this point, you might want to get out what you want to say while you can...
Also, if you could read this post it might change my mind.
Mod: You're the best.
Where's Olinad? Can I request another prod?"
prompting speech"Any ideas on who strager's buddy is?"
attacking strager"Glad to see all of us are on the same page. Unfortunately, on his own, all 0_o has done is buddy with strager. And from what he says, I think that he's still kind of on the middle of the road you two.
I'd be less inclined to vote for nardi if he participated more, so I could get a better read on him."
attacking strager and 0_o"0_o wrote:
swooping to his rescue whenever someone makes an assusation.
Maybe that's what you meant?"
attacking 0_o"Well, this would have been great, if you had actually posted during those times when other people were inactive, but we've heard from you twice now, and the second time we had to put you at L-1 to do it. Maybe if you had kept posting, like adam did, you would have been in a better position.
Olinad, it's understandable that people do things other than play osu, but you said at the beginning that you would be busy on weekdays but you would post on Saturday. Come Sunday, you show up and say "brb" and we don't hear from you again until Thursday? If you need out, say something now."
you = nardi, prompting people to talkthen he died. And now strager is trying to say he was attacking me. HELLO strager, lrn2read please.
tl;dr the two main people Bobby accused of being mafia were strager and 0_o
vote strager
FOS 0_o
