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You had a right to, though. *hugs Echo* =)Echo wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.
Aww, gay love. <3Derekku Chan wrote:
You had a right to, though. *hugs Echo* =)Echo wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.
"almost 2am" huh.Derekku Chan wrote:
Okay, I'm gonna click off this topic for now. I'd rather not try and do any critical thinking at almost 2am.
You're the one that wanted gay sex earlier :<strager wrote:
Aww, gay love. <3Derekku Chan wrote:
You had a right to, though. *hugs Echo* =)Echo wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't have blown off like I did. I'm sorry.
How soon is that? =SLadySubaru wrote:
Edit: Deadline next Thurs at 6:00 PM
This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.strager wrote:
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Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in hislatestnext-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.
Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gutadam2046 wrote:
Oh and I didn't realise 0_o changed his vote yet again without reasoning (and to me of all people!...jk)
I don't remember making a Monty Python reference...
lol?0_o wrote:
Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut
I agree that bolded part is quite suspicious...Echo wrote:
lol?0_o wrote:
Well I said before that I was thinking either you or nardi, and from the general feel of your posts I just started to lean towards you. It's the first day and there isn't a lot of evidence from anyone to go on, so for today I'm just playing by my gut
To clarify:BagelBob wrote:
This confuses me so much, I'll probably end up dropping it unless I can make sense of it when I wake up.strager wrote:
By the "defense" I meant Echo accusing me of using my role claim as a Doctor to defend myself. I didn't mean defending myself against his arguments.
I then I responded:Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?
The "claiming Doctor to defend myself" is what I meant by "defending myself" there, and that's what I tried explaining in the post you quoted.strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.
I was responding to this:strager wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.
I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
ohi adam! <3strager wrote:
Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!
Mainly in response to this:BagelBob wrote:
I re-read that post and I don't think Echo is being even slightly defensive of adam.strager wrote:
Echo seems to be super defensive of adam in hislatestnext-to-latest post. Why? I'm not pointing my finger at him.
In fact, he says specifically "None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie"
I don't know how you came up with this, would you care to explain?
He claims no one should know anything, yet says I do know something. Also, I haven't "confirmed" this -- confirmation requires more information, not a reiteration of the same information.Echo wrote:
None of adam's posts in any way indicate that he is townie, and no one should be able to confirm this. Yet strager claims to believe, and has managed to convince himself, that adam is townie. I suspect this is because strager is mafia and knows that adam is townie.
Maybe because Derekku voted for him and is being more cautious now?BagelBob wrote:
I still consider strager my major suspect at the moment, and I don't see the reasons why Echo is backing off.
Quite.BagelBob wrote:
However, I think we still have ~6 days left to decide things, so I'm not ready to lynch him yet. I'd really like to hear a bit more from SFG(with her amazing 1 post), Olinad(with double that), and nardii(with a record 3) before doing anything that can't be reversed.
Double wrong...strager wrote:
ohi adam! <3strager wrote:
Seriously, short term- Hey look, a butterfly!
I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor. I just did it because Echo forced me to.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
On to my analysis of strager. he's obviously a noob, its hard to tell if his "claim" was actually intentional or not so im going to say...strager if you fully intended to claim the role of doctor when you supposedly did, please do so in bold in your next post.
I think almost all my mistakes have been me either mistyping or miswriting what I meant (which I clarified shortly thereafter).Saturos-fangirl wrote:
As for his repeated mistakes
Are you suggesting more slip-ups mean someone is less intelligent? And how are my slips "out-of-proportion"? Please point them out (I would like to know).Saturos-fangirl wrote:
The relative numbers of slip-ups made in the first game are pretty reasonably proportional to how intelligent the player is outside of the game, and strager's slips are out-of-proportion unless he has a serious mental disability that he's been hiding (take it as a compliment, strager, i think you're intelligent).
That supports my strong belief that Echo is a Mafia.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
However if Echo is mafia than strager is not mafia, and vice versa, because both are intelligent and no intelligent mafia team would attack each other like that.
As I have said, I really don't know what to think of 0_o and I don't know what he's up to (if anything).Saturos-fangirl wrote:
0_o is doing a beautiful job of defending strager. there are really three possibilities. 1. strager and 0_o are both mafia - if Echo is mafia this is completely invalid. If Echo is town, either 0_o and strager are misled citizens or mafia. 2. strager is mafia and 0_o is a misled citizen. 3. strager and 0_o are both citizens.
based on tone, im guessing that 0_o is a citizen, but that doesnt give me any help at all as to identifying strager.
Eek!Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.
unvote
vote strager
Think anyway.nardi11011 wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of the current situation.
so you confirm that you are a Doctor then? ugh i dont know which direction to go now. despite all my logic my gut instinct is still to trust Echo on these things.....but one of the things Echo said is that you should never lynch someone who claims Doctor on day 1. im pretty sure 0_o is a civvy and for above reason i cant vote for either strager or Echo.strager wrote:
Eek!
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
This, along withstrager wrote:
I was responding to this:strager wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.strager wrote:
Eek!Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.
unvote
vote strager
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
I don't know how to explain this better. =SBagelBob wrote:
strager wrote:
I was responding to this:strager wrote:
I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier.I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation.BagelBob wrote:
Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working.
Okay, let me (try to) clarify.BagelBob wrote:
this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning.strager wrote:
Eek!Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh.
unvote
vote strager
I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor.
Obviously, because almost all of what Echo has been doing is "making a case on me." There's nothing else to go on from him, really.BagelBob wrote:
Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that?
S: Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say ... he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.That is basically the exchange that went on. Every line is a direct quote from chronological posts in this thread.
E: adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia.
S: I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target.
E: [quoting first line] Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced.
S: I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
E: So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie?
S: You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that? Okay, I will.
strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.
I'll stop hammering strager.strager wrote:
I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.
Claim: Doctor.Echo wrote:
btw - strager, can you claim doctor in bold without using a negative sentence construct? Something like "claim: doctor"strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.strager wrote:
I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor.
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
Obviously, I don't want the identity of the doctor leaked. I actually did expect strager to deny doctor but instead he said he didn't mean to leak his role. However, theoretically speaking the real doctor has nothing to gain by repeated affirming the fact that he was doctor since he can't protect himself, making revealing his role a really stupid thing to do, which is what makes me extremely suspicious of him.SFG wrote:
Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened.
Echo wrote:
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
You're right. You may have been deceived right there.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Echo wrote:
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.SFG wrote:
If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this.
Oops; when I read that I thought you were quoting your entire post, not part of it.Echo wrote:
I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context.