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[ELECTIONS RESULTS!!!!!] OT!Elections 2025

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Karmine
ohhhhhh scyla threads are clearly awful we should go scorched earth on them
Scyla
Why are you running for president?
"I Am Running", that time it was raining and I was running

anything new you have in mind for OT?
no, stay natural

will you exile users who keeps making threads in less than 24 hours?
no, this place needs new threads until page 5 per day

Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: Thread quality, respect between OT members, preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?
no, you have common sense for that and forum rules

Why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?
refty, save the best for last

If you couldn't vote for youself, who would you vote for?
my other self
Scyla

Karmine wrote:

ohhhhhh scyla threads are clearly awful we should go scorched earth on them
my threads are masterpieces, it has a 90% chance of me getting banned or silenced yet i am still alive

100% calculated
Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated
Corne2Plum3

Question 1 wrote:

Why are you running for president?
At the beginning of the candidate registration, when I saw the 3 first candidate, which none convinced me, I felt like I have to do something, that why I'm running for president. I won't go for why I don't want some candidate to be president, we're not here for personal attacks.

I also want to know exactly what do people want, giving them the power to change OT, not just a group of person.


Question 2 wrote:

anything new you have in mind for OT?
I have a few projects, maybe an OT!skin 2 or a new OT!Book project within more restricted context to avoid turning into chaos. But honestly I can do that without being president...

What I'd like and that I can do as president is to formalize the rules regarding the governement, such as writing a new constitution, define what's make a denizen on objective criteria, avoid confusing or not clear elements which are sources of drama.


Question 3 wrote:

will you exile users who keeps making threads in less than 24 hours?
I do think exile isn't something that the OT!governement should handle. Giving users the power to exclude other users is just bad in my opinion, and it would just bring more tension into OT (in worse case, it will be like in the first 2 days of the elections but every day). I don't want to have people to feel superior to other just because of a f*cking title.

The exile is something that should be managed by the moderation, who have the competences to decide if such punishement should be published or not (I'd like to emphasis that the OT!governement doesn't have "all of the elements" about an user in particular regarding their bad actions).

To actually answer the question, sure I'd do. This is an infrignement of the very rules of OT, and if repeated more, then the user must be punished. But then, is the exile a very effective punishement? In one hand it avoid getting real punishement such as silences, but I feel like it rarely stopped some users to continue to misbehave, especially for severe faults.


Question 4 wrote:

Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: Thread quality, respect between OT members, preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?
Yes, as I said for question 2, we need more formal rules to avoid drama. For thread quality, maybe requiring a minimum of "quality", if yes, under which criteria? I think this is a question that should be debated with the whole active OT community, if they want to see very low effort threads or a bit of quality at minimum. For the respect between OT members and the bad influence of minors, I do think the official osu! rules are doing that in some extend, but in my opinion, this is common sense.


Question 5 wrote:

Why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?
I do think some candidates (I won't give name) will have a bad influence on OT if not killing the governement and maybe the whole subforum. I do think I have enough time with OT (nearly 5 years wtf) to fulfull such a role. I'm also doing this for the good of OT!, and not trying to get a personal gain at all cost. If I'm GMT, it's not for the power but to answer the lack of OT! moderators back then, honestly I don't care about having control over OT. Just writing this sentence to ensure that people understand I'm not a power-hungry beast.


Question 6 wrote:

If you couldn't vote for youself, who would you vote for?
Achromalia, they do have a long experience in OT, and a very good ability to express calmly and to cool down the people when needed. I don't see any issue with them.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
I will accept every answer, regardless of my opinion, so thread updated (well i'm in the process of)

but surround corne's question 4, "if yes, under which criteria? I think this is a question that should be debated with the whole active OT community", That debate in specific is one that has existed for a couple years and I don't think going "I don't have any suggestions myself but I'm willing to debate it once again!" is really a strong argument when that has been tried and failed a dozen or so times now.

Also, the reason why i'm answering to you and not scyla is because you're an actually serious candidate
Corne2Plum3

Patatitta wrote:

I will accept every answer, regardless of my opinion, so thread updated (well i'm in the process of)

but surround corne's question 4, "if yes, under which criteria? I think this is a question that should be debated with the whole active OT community", That debate in specific is one that has existed for a couple years and I don't think going "I don't have any suggestions myself but I'm willing to debate it once again!" is really a strong argument when that has been tried and failed a dozen or so times now.

Also, the reason why i'm answering to you and not scyla is because you're an actually serious candidate
I still think doing this with people instead of imposing in some sort is the best way to go, otherwise people will cry "1984" or "this is censor", and feel like this was decided by a few person insead of OT! in a whole, which would give more weight and legitimacy at this rule if it was implemented.
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I will accept every answer, regardless of my opinion, so thread updated (well i'm in the process of)

but surround corne's question 4, "if yes, under which criteria? I think this is a question that should be debated with the whole active OT community", That debate in specific is one that has existed for a couple years and I don't think going "I don't have any suggestions myself but I'm willing to debate it once again!" is really a strong argument when that has been tried and failed a dozen or so times now.

Also, the reason why i'm answering to you and not scyla is because you're an actually serious candidate
I still think doing this with people instead of imposing in some sort is the best way to go, otherwise people will cry "1984" or "this is censor", and feel like this was decided by a few person insead of OT! in a whole, which would give more weight and legitimacy at this rule if it was implemented.
you're jumping to extremes, there is a logical and moral middle, the fact that you want to vote on your solution doesn't imply you shouldn't say what your proposed solution is. You can say, "IMO, I would evaluate thread quality based on the ammount of vowels it has (just to say some random example), but I wont implement anything until it's been voted"

you can "the will of the people!" all that you want, but you got to remember you're part of the people and therefore allowed to make suggestions
Ephemeral
the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
Reyalp51
bird
Achromalia
uh oh the seagulls are here,, shoo go home shoo!! ;(

(hello again birdlord :p)

...not a convenient morning for giving attention to these questions, but let's see about something sometime later...
- Marco -

Ephemeral wrote:

the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
SO TRUE!
Topic Starter
Patatitta
if there was a time to exile scyla, it is not now, they have been chill for a while now

Achromalia wrote:

uh oh the seagulls are here,, shoo go home shoo!! ;(

(hello again birdlord :p)

...not a convenient morning for giving attention to these questions, but let's see about something sometime later...
you got a whole week, don't rush them if you're not on a good spot to answer, just make sure to have answered all by next week
Polyspora

Ephemeral wrote:

the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
he doesnt even post anymore! he already ascended, you want to exile a saint!
Karmine

Ephemeral wrote:

the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
SO TRUE!
Farfocele

Ephemeral wrote:

the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
i'm not even running but i think that yeah
Corne2Plum3
Why exiling Scyla actually?
Polyspora

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Why exiling Scyla actually?
funny I guess
- Marco -

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Why exiling Scyla actually?
Because Ephemeral is ALWAYS RIGHT AND BASED
Polyspora

z0z wrote:

damn 9 candidates
only 2 really
Corne2Plum3

Polyspora wrote:

z0z wrote:

damn 9 candidates
only 2 really
3 or 4 seems actually able to win imo
Topic Starter
Patatitta
I expect some candidates to get DQed this round tbh
igorsprite

Patatitta wrote:

I expect some candidates to get DQed this round tbh
who 👀
Topic Starter
Patatitta

igorsprite wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I expect some candidates to get DQed this round tbh
who 👀
you for example have yet to answer the questions
igorsprite

Patatitta wrote:

igorsprite wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I expect some candidates to get DQed this round tbh
who 👀
you for example have yet to answer the questions
😭
Wimpy Cursed

Question 1 wrote:

Why are you running for president?
I got bored

Question 2 wrote:

anything new you have in mind for OT?
No, everything is okay as is. Events are more so on the community itself, not to be govern.

Question 3 wrote:

will you exile users who keeps making threads in less than 24 hours?
No, what's the point in that? It's a post, often not harmful in any way. A lock takes a simple click.

Question 4 wrote:

Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: Thread quality, respect between OT members, preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?
I don't believe there should be for thread quality and respect. Off-Topic as a general meaning is basically just shitpost central, so that can be subsided. And respect within a forum page just sounds stupid to me.

I don't believe Off-Topic should be the place to regulate rules within minors though I guess it can be good to put some rules as a "layer." Though, official ruling should be set in general.


Question 5 wrote:

Why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?
I don't. I'm not a person with strong opinions nor can I recognize changes to better suit OT.


Question 6 wrote:

If you couldn't vote for youself, who would you vote for?
Achromalia
Topic Starter
Patatitta
updated
Achromalia
...it took a while to draft anything at all :'p but i expect that to change in a couple days when i'm presumably more available

[question #6] "if you couldn't vote for yourself, who would you vote for?"

i wonder if some candidates here may have sweet/interesting ideals to play with, or personalities which imply decisions and creations and philosophies that i would be interested in observing and appreciating, but

...i'll trust in patatitta, most likely :)

beyond him being a likely pick, there is presumable administrative aptitude and experience from the year he spent learning from his work... truthfully, i believe patatitta built/maintained a reasonable-enough administrative basis of community preservation through resources (archival, encyclopedic records, "eras", revising institutions/customs) and security ("denizenship", political integrity in elections and governance, gmt presence and moderation). i partly intended to adopt that foundation alongside my own priorities, while nourishing something else from it...

...

this was one of the easier ones to answer, but it might funnily be the least politically helpful for any kind of campaign i could write

i'll leave the rest of the questions for another time, maybe when i can dedicate more attention and care to my thoughts?

similarly, i may write more on what i note from patatitta and his presence/influence throughout and around/for off-topic
reffty_gag
oh wait




Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: Thread quality, respect between OT members, preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?
  1. no, OT is a place for shitposting. But im appreciate users who make a high quality thread in OT.
  2. For respect between OT members, im agree. I dont want OT become a place for degenerate ppl and i dont want there is a drama like EVERYDAY.
  3. maybe yes, at least do NOT post NSFW things. Maybe 13+ would be okay

If you couldn't vote for youself, who would you vote for?
Achromalia, i like her personality. I am no an OG OT user, but i think she can handle thing in OT, especially with her way of respond and maturity.

Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated and new questions released
Achromalia
quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
Topic Starter
Patatitta
- What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it what would you do with it? (So far it has almost only ever been used for elections)

Keep it as it is, like it or not this model worked and did everything I want it to do, it's a objective way to grand denizenship, this avoids drama, it also gets rid of the generations, which were even more drama, when should it end, what title should it be?. One of the common complaints i've seen is "you've left randoms into being denizen", and I disagree with this notion, if they got in it is because they were active, so not a random first of all, but I know the argument then follows that they have not made a contribution to OT

Contribution is hard to define, abraker and the previous govs kinda defined it as participating in lore, hosting events, making high quality threads, etc, but personally I see this as a dated and borderline erroneous view of OT, it's a highly subjective messurement with high degrees of bias. If you make threads I like (so high effort), then you're more likely to make it to denizen!

that also ties in a problem with the there will be people (and have been) users who under one gov or period of time didn't get recognized as having contributed enough, who then by another gov is recognized and placed in a generation that isn't where they should have been just because that infinite waiting room.

There is also a clear lack of clarity of if someone has been rejected for denizen temporarily or if they haven't noticed you qualify.

That system is a mess and if we want to make it more relaxed the old system wont help that cause.

now, what is the use of the denizenship system?, in the past there were many threads that had it as requirements to participate in certain events or whatever, but I personally don't like this, it's gatekeeping and bad for the health of OT IMO. We want more people to come to OT and for OT to grow, however, if we make threads that new users cant partake in, it's less likely that they stick in

an argument to that would be "the thought of finally partaking in threads like that is a motivator that will make people more likely to stay", and I don't agree with this, what we're creating by gatekeeping things to denizen only is a culture where newfags are looked down upon, and while some people may be motivated for this, I firmly believe that this is a net negative for OT, as more people will retire than the ones that will stick.

Again, in a now deleted thread someone talked about "the tensions about oldfags and newfags", that is something that really hasn't existed for a while now, and one of the reasons why that tension went away is because we kinda stopped shaming newfags for their newfag status

also, I want to note, the deprication of the denizen system as a requirement for anything was something that was already pretty rarely seen even from before I made my changes.

I have a lot more thoughts about old denizenship, I explained most of them in this thread before I was president and before I made eras that kinda illustrates why the previous model of denizenship just doesn't work, I would highly encourage everyone (at least the other candidates) to read it in full.

community/forums/topics/1817951?n=1


- What normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?

I of course have a sense of morals, but these are not what I would be able to qualify. I do not follow a religion or consider myself a firm believer of a certain philosophy which dictates morals. I just do what feels right you know?

- Will you host events if you were to win?, If the answer is yes, what events have you hosted WITHOUT being president?

I don't think i'm ever going to use my president status to host events. I may host events, but they wont be official government things, mainly because I don't see the point on them being so. The only real event I can see being improved because of me hosting is a gov is a RP one where it directly ties into that, but I do not like those type of events.

Some examples of events i've hosted in the past is OT plays chess, OT book 2 (big flop), OT gd mecollab (equally big flop), rate your ot thread, some interactive threads here and there, etc.

- Do we need an OT! government nowadays? If yes, what powers the president should have?

The use of the word "Nowadays" implies that at some point in history it WAS needed and that it no longer is. I disagree with this premise. The OT government has not peaked in usefulness and that is not something I believe we are going to see soon. The gov is a way for the OT community to choose the changes they want to see in OT. This could be changes for denizen to example, that IMO shouldn't be in the hands of GMT because I don't see how having admin priviliges on here should give you the authority to also take control of a off topic user grouping list.

Now, it also has the function of regulating GMT, but this is just kinda appealing into them untill they either give in or veto it. IMO I don't think there is nothing that the gov should not be able to appeal to the GMT, so yeah, any administrator permission a GMT may have, the gov may also ask to use it, and if that is accepted by both parties, it should be acted upon.

We as the gov can't force GMT at gunpoint to do whatever we want it to say, so I don't think it makes sense to set arbitrary limits of "oh you may NEVER ask for a exile on a user that is going too far", like yeah, if you disagree with that just veto all exile requests, but don't remove the ability to ask it in the first place.

- Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?

No, and that is because what I said earlier, one of the current function of the govs is regulating the GMT, having a GMT be president would just kill that whole line of duty of the government.

- Your opinions on Patatitta's presidency, whatever it's about their behavior or their actions taken? (WITHOUT BEING SALTY)

I think I did pretty good, no regrets
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Achromalia wrote:

quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
I have no clue what you mean by that second part but I will fix it
igorsprite

Anything new you have in mind for OT?
maybe an easier way to find someone here to play a game together, for example i wouldn't mind playing CS with 150 ms if it's with someone i like and i think most people here think the same. i think the moment i had the most fun with someone here was when i started playing Panel del Pon with Endaris, i never beat him but it was fun anyway

Will you exile users who keep making threads less than 24 hours?
no, and i think that with the exception of moderation, no user should have the power to exile someone. just lock the thread if someone is doing that.

Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: Thread quality, respect between OT members, preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?
there shouldn't be any rules or guidelines on these topics other than those that already exist here.
Thread quality: if the thread is bad, no one will post in it and it will soon be forgotten on the second page. we don't need anyone to tell us if a thread is good or bad.
respect between OT members: respect other people, that's common sense.
preventing bad influences on minors: this is the responsibility of the forum moderation, but if you want to help them, don't be weird toward minors here.

If you couldn't vote for youself, who would you vote for?
i was going to vote for Patatitta, but since he's being a bitch and admitting defeat, i will probably vote for Achromalia

Why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?
i don't think i should be president because i'm no better than most of the candidates

What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it what would you do with it? (So far it has almost only ever been used for elections)
i wouldn't do anything with the denizen system. ot!eras is a fair system that rewards users who are active. anything beyond that is a cult

What normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?
wtf is this question. i'm not a religious person and i follow my own beliefs

Will you host events if you were to win?, If the answer is yes, what events have you hosted WITHOUT being president?
yes. i hosted a mafia game and a forum game that led to a new rule being created, does that count? xd


Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?
no, they already have enough power and the premise of ot! government is to balance the relationship between users and moderation. if we're going to have a GMT as president, it's better that there isn't even a president.

Your opinions on Patatitta's presidency, whatever it's about their behavior or their actions taken? (WITHOUT BEING SALTY)
i think all the changes he made were good, and i have no criticisms. 🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated
DeletedUser_32597938
I will post my responses in the next day or two.
Achromalia

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
I have no clue what you mean by that second part but I will fix it
this time i made that phrase up, what i mean is the use of empty bold/italics/strikethrough (et cetera) bbcode brackets in between specific emoticons like :) and :o and :D so they dont become :) or :o or :D
ShinRun
The gov should hire me to host event
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Achromalia wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
I have no clue what you mean by that second part but I will fix it
this time i made that phrase up, what i mean is the use of empty bold/italics/strikethrough (et cetera) bbcode brackets in between specific emoticons like :) and :o and :D so they dont become :) or :o or :D
ah, honestly didn't know people did that, honestly i'm going to let it stay as it is, kinda lazy to change it
Behrauder

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
I have no clue what you mean by that second part but I will fix it
this time i made that phrase up, what i mean is the use of empty bold/italics/strikethrough (et cetera) bbcode brackets in between specific emoticons like :) and :o and :D so they dont become :) or :o or :D
ah, honestly didn't know people did that, honestly i'm going to let it stay as it is, kinda lazy to change it
This is actually a very useful feature and is not meant to be fixed. It's much easier than Googling for a zero-width space and copying and pasting it.

[spoiler]
Very useful. :)
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[[img] [/img]spoiler]
Very useful. :[img] [/img])
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Topic Starter
Patatitta

Behrauder wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

quotes broke, and the italics-code emoticon-breaker was missing :<
I have no clue what you mean by that second part but I will fix it
this time i made that phrase up, what i mean is the use of empty bold/italics/strikethrough (et cetera) bbcode brackets in between specific emoticons like :) and :o and :D so they dont become :) or :o or :D
ah, honestly didn't know people did that, honestly i'm going to let it stay as it is, kinda lazy to change it
This is actually a very useful feature and is not meant to be fixed. It's much easier than Googling for a zero-width space and copying and pasting it.

[spoiler]
Very useful. :)
[/spoiler]

[[img] [/img]spoiler]
Very useful. :[img] [/img])
[/spoiler]
what?, I don't think you understood me, I meant that I didn't know people put stuff to prevent the autoconversion of the emotes, not that it doesn't make sense, I just had never thought about that. I'm talking about how i'm too lazy to put that bbcode in so that it doesn't convert the emojis. How would I have the authority to change how the forum operates to remove that interaction?
MistressRemilia
So can I still throw in my name at this point, or is it too late? Just answer the questions?
Topic Starter
Patatitta

MistressRemilia wrote:

So can I still throw in my name at this point, or is it too late? Just answer the questions?
too late, just answer the questions if you want to, you wont be included in the OP tho.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
Batch 3 released

note: we currently have gone through every question in the form, unless there are new questions asked to the sheet, this will be the last batch, which is fine, we've already asked way more questions than any other election,

note 2: this question "Was working with the other people from the government (president, GMTs, parliaments member) was a good experience? If not, what should be improved?" is directed only to myself and other parliament members, so it's only required for me (and only really possible) for me to answer it from every candidate, feel free to skip this one
Topic Starter
Patatitta
- What's your goals regarding role playing in OT?

No goals, as I've said before i'm not a rp person and honestly I don't think bringing rp back is something only gov can do, if you really care about RP, make RP threads and if you it the thread goes well gg, if not, maybe people just aren't very generally in RP anymore, in which case to keep pushing for RP when you're aware most people are not into it wouldn't be a good idea

- Was working with the other people from the government (president, GMTs, parliaments member) was a good experience? If not, what should be improved?

Depends on the individual, generally well for gov memebers, only complaint was hydreigon that went inactive, if I get president again and see something like that happen again I will kick them and add the next voted given they're active.

For GMTS, abraker and kobold were nice, corne was tougher to work with mainly because they don't like me very much but they were understanding enough to where things got done

- Do you think the government's group chat should be public? (for transparency for example)

I don't think it needs to be public, however I don't oppose it, but I honestly don't know if people would actually read it given that people don't even read threads and that is like 1/10 of a discord conversation, could be something that could be talked depending on what the general opinion is but personally it's not something i'm going to actively push

- Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?

No and no, moderation is good as it is, we don't need more moderation, also no, I don't want them to quit, they're not my enemy. I don't have enemies.

- What actions should be taken in case of necropost in OT?

What we have been doing is fine, lock and maybe delete the offending post

- Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?

I see some couple problems rn, moderation, which I think i've improved it as much as I personally could, and then you have toxicity which it's not something I think I can solve as gov, or that really can be solved by moderation given how some of this people act (you kinda would have to start exiling people left and right and I don't think that would be good), but it can be solved (hopefully and eventually) as long as people look down upon into this issue, which may seem dumb but it's not the popular belief among a considerable subset of OT.
Scyla
BATCH 2:

What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it what would you do with it? (So far it has almost only ever been used for elections)
dissolve

What normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?
John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life".

Will you host events if you were to win?, If the answer is yes, what events have you hosted WITHOUT being president?
no

Do we need an OT! government nowadays? If yes, what powers the president should have?
no

Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?
yes, i don't see any difference between gmts and users. all humans

Your opinions on Patatitta's presidency, whatever it's about their behavior or their actions taken? (WITHOUT BEING SALTY)
PATATITA IS THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER
PATATITA is SUGOI


BATCH 3:


What's your goals regarding role playing in OT?
people are free to do whatever they want

(DIRECTED TO Patatitta and ALL current parliament members) Was working with the other people from the government (president, GMTs, parliaments member) was a good experience? If not, what should be improved?
i don't work with other people, i go solo

Do you think the government's group chat should be public? (for transparency for example)
don't really care about other peoples convo, not my business, not my problem

Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?
yes, no

What actions should be taken in case of necropost in OT?
necropost is an art www

Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?
the only problem OT has is that people are so fixated on making quality threads but refuse to connect genuinely with others
Scyla

Ephemeral wrote:

the will of the people is for scylla to be exiled

which of you will answer?
hatrick of exilement, you never sing that
Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated
DeletedUser_32597938
Why are you running for president?

Because I care about OT and think it has the potential to be better than it is now. There’s a lot of creativity and community here, but sometimes it gets buried under spam or a lack of direction. I want to encourage engagement, bring more structure without making things rigid, and make leadership something that actually listens and responds to the people here.


Anything new you have in mind for OT?

Yes. I’d like to see more structured events to keep things interesting, better organization so discussions don’t feel like they get lost in the chaos, and a leadership approach that’s more in touch with the community. Right now, OT can feel either too chaotic or too slow, and I think we can find a balance that keeps things fun while also making it a place people want to stick around in.


Will you exile users who keep making threads in less than 24 hours?

No, that’s too much. But I do think there should be something in place to discourage spam, like a cooldown for people who repeatedly make low-effort threads. Instead of outright banning people, guiding them toward making better content would be a better approach.


Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for thread quality, respect between OT members, and preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?

Some basic guidelines wouldn’t hurt, but I wouldn’t want OT to feel overregulated. Encouraging quality discussion and mutual respect is important, but too many rules could take away what makes OT fun. There needs to be a middle ground where people can still be themselves without making the space unwelcoming for others.


Why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?

Because I want to actually do something with this role. A lot of leadership in the past has either been inactive or just maintaining the status quo, and I think OT could benefit from a fresh perspective. I might not have the most experience, but I’m willing to put in the effort to make real improvements.


If you couldn't vote for yourself, who would you vote for?

Whoever has a clear plan and genuinely cares about OT, not just someone running because they can. The best leader would be someone who listens to the community and wants to make positive changes rather than just holding the title.


What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it, what would you do with it?

Right now, it doesn’t serve much of a purpose. If we’re going to keep it, it should actually mean something—maybe giving denizens a role in community decisions or exclusive participation in certain events. If not, we should be honest about whether it’s even necessary.


What ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?

I believe in fairness, accountability, and treating people with respect. I don’t think leadership should be about control—it should be about making sure things stay balanced and that everyone feels like their voice matters.


Will you host events if you were to win? If yes, what events have you hosted without being president?

Yes, absolutely. Community engagement is one of the most important things for keeping OT active. Before running, I’ve been part of events and discussions that bring people together, and I’d love to build on that with bigger, better-organized activities. Things like game nights, creative contests, and interactive discussions could all make OT more engaging.


Do we need an OT government nowadays? If yes, what powers should the president have?

I think having some form of leadership helps keep things organized, but it shouldn’t be overcomplicated. The president should be a representative and organizer, not someone with unchecked power. Their role should be about encouraging engagement, keeping things running smoothly, and making sure the community has a say in how OT is shaped.


Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?

Yes, as long as there are boundaries. A GMT president would need to separate their mod duties from their leadership role to avoid conflicts of interest. If they can do that fairly, I don’t see an issue.


Your opinions on Patatitta’s presidency?

There were some good intentions and solid ideas, but there were also areas where things could have been handled better. I think there could have been more transparency and communication with the community. Instead of focusing on the past, I’d rather take lessons from it and improve moving forward.


What are your goals regarding role-playing in OT?

Role-playing has always been part of OT, and I don’t think that should change. My goal is to make sure it stays fun and accessible while also keeping it organized so that it doesn’t take over everything else.


Was working with the other government officials a good experience? If not, what should be improved?

(Not my question to answer, but if I were in that position, I’d say that communication is key. Any leadership group is going to have different personalities and opinions, but working together should always be the priority.)


Do you think the government's group chat should be public?

Not completely, but there should be public summaries of major decisions. Some discussions need privacy, but the community should still know what’s happening at a broader level.


Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?

If the current team is overwhelmed, adding more GMTs makes sense. As for whether someone should quit, that depends on whether they’re actively doing their job. It’s not about personal opinions—it’s about whether they’re contributing in a way that benefits OT.


What actions should be taken in case of necroposting in OT?

If a post is still relevant, I don’t see the harm. But if someone is just reviving old threads for no reason, a soft reminder or temporary lock might help prevent unnecessary spam.


Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?

Yes, like any community, there are things that could be better. A few issues I see are:
1. Spam and low-quality threads. There needs to be a way to encourage better discussions without making people feel like they have to overthink every post.
2. Leadership that feels disconnected. I want to make sure there’s real communication between leadership and the people in OT so that decisions reflect what the community actually wants.
3. Lack of engagement. More structured events and ways to interact could make OT feel more active and welcoming.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated, tho with a small caviat

okay acroba, you seem you've mastered the arts of politics IRL because you haven't said shit, let me go point by point


- Why are you running for president

IAMACROBA wrote:

I want to encourage engagement, bring more structure without making things rigid, and make leadership something that actually listens and responds to the people here.
How do you plan to do this, how will you bring more structure without making things rigid, how will you make leadership into something that acutally listens to the people in here, you can claim your goals, yes, that's honorable, but you need to stablish a how




- Anything new you have in mind for OT?

IAMACROBA wrote:

Yes. I’d like to see more structured events to keep things interesting
like which ones?, what do you suggest?, what events will you host when you get president?


IAMACROBA wrote:

"and I think we can find a balance that keeps things fun while also making it a place people want to stick around in. "
what's your suggestion to achieve that balance?


- Do you believe formal rules or guidelines should be put in place for thread quality, respect between OT members, and preventing bad influences on minors? Why or why not?


IAMACROBA wrote:

Some basic guidelines wouldn’t hurt, but I wouldn’t want OT to feel overregulated. Encouraging quality discussion and mutual respect is important, but too many rules could take away what makes OT fun. There needs to be a middle ground where people can still be themselves without making the space unwelcoming for others.
how do you plan to reach that middle ground?, why do you think we're not on that middle ground yet?


IAMACROBA wrote:

Because I want to actually do something with this role
you've yet to really say anything you want to do with this role

If you couldn't vote for yourself, who would you vote for?


IAMACROBA wrote:

Whoever has a clear plan and genuinely cares about OT, not just someone running because they can. The best leader would be someone who listens to the community and wants to make positive changes rather than just holding the title.
be specific, say a name, don't dodge the questiom.


- What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it, what would you do with it?

IAMACROBA wrote:

Right now, it doesn’t serve much of a purpose. If we’re going to keep it, it should actually mean something—maybe giving denizens a role in community decisions or exclusive participation in certain events. If not, we should be honest about whether it’s even necessary.
You're like corne on this one, "The will of the people!" but you have forgotten you yourself are part of the people, do you want it to stay?, do you want for it to be gone?, this is a political race, you got to show your programs, you cant just go like "ohhhh yeahhh if I get power then I will see what the people want". Specially with denizen, I don't think we're going to reach a concensus by just more debate without anyone proposing any solution, and the first ones that should be proposing solution is us the presidents, so suggest something god damn it

Will you host events if you were to win? If yes, what events have you hosted without being president?

IAMACROBA wrote:

Yes, absolutely. Community engagement is one of the most important things for keeping OT active. Before running, I’ve been part of events and discussions that bring people together, and I’d love to build on that with bigger, better-organized activities. Things like game nights, creative contests, and interactive discussions could all make OT more engaging.
What events would you host, what events have you hosted in the past? "I’ve been part of events and discussions that bring people together" can't you name an example?, a specific thread you've made?

Do we need an OT government nowadays? If yes, what powers should the president have?

IAMACROBA wrote:

I think having some form of leadership helps keep things organized, but it shouldn’t be overcomplicated. The president should be a representative and organizer, not someone with unchecked power. Their role should be about encouraging engagement, keeping things running smoothly, and making sure the community has a say in how OT is shaped.
They shouldn't have unchecked power, okay, what powers shouldn't they have?, how would a good president look like, what options would they take? be specific. Name exact policies.



- Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?

IAMACROBA wrote:

Yes, as long as there are boundaries. A GMT president would need to separate their mod duties from their leadership role to avoid conflicts of interest. If they can do that fairly, I don’t see an issue.
which boundaries do you suggest?

- Your opinions on Patatitta’s presidency?



IAMACROBA wrote:

There were some good intentions and solid ideas, but there were also areas where things could have been handled better. I think there could have been more transparency and communication with the community. Instead of focusing on the past, I’d rather take lessons from it and improve moving forward.
be specific, which were my good intentions and soldi ideas?, where did I drop the ball? what are the lessons we are meant to learn?


What are your goals regarding role-playing in OT?


IAMACROBA wrote:

Role-playing has always been part of OT, and I don’t think that should change. My goal is to make sure it stays fun and accessible while also keeping it organized so that it doesn’t take over everything else.
how do you plan to keep things organized so it doesn't take over everything else?


Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?

IAMACROBA wrote:

If the current team is overwhelmed, adding more GMTs makes sense. As for whether someone should quit, that depends on whether they’re actively doing their job. It’s not about personal opinions—it’s about whether they’re contributing in a way that benefits OT.
you claim it's nto about personal opinions, yet measuring their contribution IS subjective and opinion-based, now answer, do you, acroba, think corne is contributing in a way that benefits OT?


Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?

IAMACROBA wrote:

Yes, like any community, there are things that could be better. A few issues I see are:
1. Spam and low-quality threads. There needs to be a way to encourage better discussions without making people feel like they have to overthink every post.
2. Leadership that feels disconnected. I want to make sure there’s real communication between leadership and the people in OT so that decisions reflect what the community actually wants.
3. Lack of engagement. More structured events and ways to interact could make OT feel more active and welcoming.
"there needs to be a better way"
"I want to make sure"
"More structured events"

for the love of god be specific, the questions is asking how would YOU go about FIXING them, you've not named a single solution, just that "ohhhh this is bad we should fix it" but HOW



i've submitted this as a official question directed to you and it's been whitelisted, so you either respond or get DQ.
DeletedUser_32597938
And to think being an American politician was gonna work out. I appreciate you calling me out on my vagueness. Give me a couple hours and I’ll reply properly, I’m at work at the moment.
ShinRun
Acroba wins by realism
igorsprite
What's your goals regarding role playing in OT?
i support RP and i think it's cool, but in my opinion the best RP is the one that comes naturally, so trying to say whether an RP is good or bad or telling people to RP something is not ideal

Do you think the government's group chat should be public? (for transparency for example)
yes, transparency is necessary when decisions are made regarding a community

Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?
yes, i don't see how anyone dedicating themselves to OT could be a bad thing, but whether someone dedicates themselves to OT or not is not my decision.

no, i don't see any reason for Corne2Plum3 to quit

What actions should be taken in case of necropost in OT?
lock the thread and delete the post if it was not relevant

Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?
this is a tricky question because different people see different problems, so i think that as president the ideal would be to listen to others instead of trying to solve the topics that i find problematic on my own
DeletedUser_32597938
Why are you running for president?

I want to encourage engagement, bring some structure without making things too strict, and make leadership actually listen to the people here.

How?
- Polls for events and changes so people actually have a say. I literally do not recall a single “Feedback Megathread” so that people know what’s going on.
- Thread spotlights to highlight good discussions and keep them from getting buried. I haven’t seen any OT!Awards since ghouly left but I was also banned for a period of time.
- Fun but organized events to give people something to look forward to.

Listening isn’t just about reading complaints—it means responding, adjusting, and actually being part of the conversation.


Anything new you have in mind for OT?

Yeah, I’d love to see more structured events to keep things interesting.

What kind of events?
- In-forum game nights.
- Creative challenges (writing, meme contests, short-form storytelling).
- Fun challenge threads (like “Explain a movie badly” or “Write a short horror story in 10 words”). Sure, these could be Forum Games, but they’re still apart of OT.
- Community awards (stuff like “Funniest user” or “Best thread-maker”). See above.

Basically, making sure there’s always something going on.


"How do you suggest balancing fun with making OT a place people want to stick around in?"

OT swings between being way too chaotic (spam) and way too strict (when things get over-moderated). The best way to fix that is:

- Mega-threads for repetitive topics so spam doesn’t take over. (hey, the, AMA, etc.)
- Encouraging effort over quantity—giving people better spaces to post so they don’t feel like they have to spam.
- Some basic posting guidelines, but nothing that kills the fun.

People should still feel free to be themselves, just without making the whole place a mess.


"Should there be more rules about thread quality, respect between members, and protecting minors?"

Some basic guidelines wouldn’t hurt, but too many rules would take the fun out of OT.

How do we find a middle ground?
- A clear baseline for thread quality—no one wants to read “Hi.” as an OP.
- A warning system before threads get deleted or locked. Give people a chance to fix things first. This is kind of already implemented but I thought I’d make it known.
- More engaging discussion prompts so people naturally post better stuff.


"If you couldn’t vote for yourself, who would you vote for?"

Achromalia because I believe their ideals and way of thinking align with what OT used to be and how I wish I could’ve seen it. Whether or not the word “fag/faggot” was thrown around I still hear a lot about that era and a lot of oldfags seem to recall it as an important time period in OT history.


"What do you think should happen with the Denizen system?"

I want it to go back to the way it was, before the era changes, before the gen swaps. It was the only reason I stayed in this forum because I *WANTED* it. Nowadays it just seems like some worn down synonym for a citizen.


"Will you host events if you win? What have you hosted before?"

Yeah, absolutely. Keeping OT active means actually giving people stuff to do.

Events I’d host:
- Game nights
- Writing/meme contests
- Debate-style threads
- Community awards

As for the past, participated in discussions, but never hosted any event aside from supporter giveaways. Should I become president I plan on changing my involvement towards the creation of events.


"Do we even need an OT government anymore? If yes, what powers should the president have?"

I think some leadership is useful, but it shouldn’t be overcomplicated. The president should be an organizer, not someone with unchecked power.

They should:
- Organize events
- Help keep discussions going
- Represent the community’s interests

They shouldn’t have moderation power or the ability to make major rule changes without input, which is what we have set up to my knowledge. The president should be the face of OT, not some almighty dictator. Leave the moderation to the mods.


"Do you think GMTs should be able to be president?"

Yeah, as long as they keep their mod duties and leadership role separate. No one should be making decisions based on personal bias.

A few boundaries would help—like making sure a GMT president doesn’t handle reports related to political stuff in OT.


"What do you think of Patatitta’s presidency?"

I think you did great for what you could. I think you got fucked. I think everyone who used to care is gone now and all we have left is a hollow out shell of a community that relies on half-baked memes and ragebait, which isn’t your fault.


"What’s your plan for role-playing in OT?"

It’s always been part of OT, and that shouldn’t change. The main thing is making sure it stays fun without taking over everything else.

The best way to do that?
- Keeping dedicated spaces for RP so it doesn’t flood the board.
- Encouraging more structured RP events so people have a place to join in.
- Making sure other types of discussion don’t get drowned out.


"Should there be more GMTs for OT? Should Corne2Plum3 quit?"

If the current team is overwhelmed, yeah, adding more GMTs makes sense.

As for Corne—if they’re doing their job and contributing to OT, then there’s no reason for them to quit. If they aren’t, that’s a different story. I feel as it that’s more of a peppy decision rather than a president of a forum.

"What problems does OT have, and how would you fix them?"

There are definitely issues, and just pointing them out doesn’t do much—so here’s how I’d actually fix them.

Spam and low-quality threads → Mega-threads for common topics, better discussion prompts, and spotlighting good threads.
Leadership feeling disconnected → More community polls, monthly feedback threads where leadership responds directly.
Lack of engagement → Regular events, scheduled discussions, and fun challenges to keep people involved.

If you believe my responses are inadequate, then DQ me.

I have no business, nor interest with some who does not value my ideals.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
igor accepted

acroba response accepted but you seem mistaken in some of the points, maybe because of your long periods of absence

- Polls for events and changes so people actually have a say. I literally do not recall a single “Feedback Megathread” so that people know what’s going on.

A feedback megathread was never formerly introduced, but there were multiple official government threads and the changes WERE voted, including denizen among other things

- Thread spotlights to highlight good discussions and keep them from getting buried. I haven’t seen any OT!Awards since ghouly left but I was also banned for a period of time.

this is kinda subjective, are you sure giving an actual official ot seal of quality to things is a good idea?

- Fun but organized events to give people something to look forward to.

vague but I guess you specified later




The events you propose don't require presidentship at all?, like you can do all of this fine without being a president, I don't see why you want presidentship for this.



OT swings between being way too chaotic (spam) and way too strict (when things get over-moderated). The best way to fix that is:

- Mega-threads for repetitive topics so spam doesn’t take over. (hey, the, AMA, etc.)
- Encouraging effort over quantity—giving people better spaces to post so they don’t feel like they have to spam.
- Some basic posting guidelines, but nothing that kills the fun.

People should still feel free to be themselves, just without making the whole place a mess.

I don't think megathreads are going to solve metas at all, how would a "talk like you're x " work in a megathread?, a lot of the meta REQUIRES the title to be different

- Encouraging effort over quantity—giving people better spaces to post so they don’t feel like they have to spam.

vague, elaborate


- Some basic posting guidelines, but nothing that kills the fun.

again, vague, elaborate



Some basic guidelines wouldn’t hurt, but too many rules would take the fun out of OT.

How do we find a middle ground?
- A clear baseline for thread quality—no one wants to read “Hi.” as an OP.
- A warning system before threads get deleted or locked. Give people a chance to fix things first. This is kind of already implemented but I thought I’d make it known.
- More engaging discussion prompts so people naturally post better stuff.


What do you mean exactly by engaging discussion prompts, and could you give a indepth explanation of what your thread quality baseline is and how you determine it?


I want it to go back to the way it was, before the era changes, before the gen swaps. It was the only reason I stayed in this forum because I *WANTED* it. Nowadays it just seems like some worn down synonym for a citizen.

why do you want to go back to it?


Yeah, absolutely. Keeping OT active means actually giving people stuff to do.

Events I’d host:
- Game nights
- Writing/meme contests
- Debate-style threads
- Community awards

As for the past, participated in discussions, but never hosted any event aside from supporter giveaways. Should I become president I plan on changing my involvement towards the creation of events.


I don't like how you've generally worded this whole thing, that it's the gov duty to keep the forum active, like, the forum is going to be active with or without gov, why are you so insistent on this?, also again, you don't need presidentship to do all of this, in fact, it's better if you host events without being president because you can make things that flop without that actually having backlash.


It’s always been part of OT, and that shouldn’t change. The main thing is making sure it stays fun without taking over everything else.

The best way to do that?
- Keeping dedicated spaces for RP so it doesn’t flood the board.
- Encouraging more structured RP events so people have a place to join in.
- Making sure other types of discussion don’t get drowned out.

I don't think it's always been part of OT. RP was not a thing that was there for the couple first years of OT and it for sure isn't something that has been in the couple most recent years of OT. Also you seem optimistic saying "I will make sure RP doesn't flood the board", the reason why rp isn't that much of a thing anymore it's because people don't seem to engage with it that much, I feel you're missdiagnosing the problem

Most of your suggestions don't require presidentship, just go do those things right now, the only thing that does is restoring denizenship, but that doens't have any justification behind

the whole responses feels out of touch, not actually using any of the powers a president has, only to picture is as a mainly RP position and the kinda ideal that RP is still very much alive and you're going to bring it back and it's going to be super successful and everyone is going to love it

this would also explain your previous answer, you were talking like a president does yes, but like that's not what we're exactly looking here, we mimic politics but are not polticians. You say "i'm glad you called me out" but did you really?, if the scam had worked and had you recieved president wouldn't you be happy?

This has NOT been submited as a official question, you may not answer it
DeletedUser_32597938
It seems like a lot of candidates are running just for the sake of it or out of spite—do you not feel the same way?

This whole "political" RP has actually brought the community together. Your megathread has sparked more engagement than we've seen in months, aside from spam. And if you’re grilling me this much, doesn’t that show you care just as much as I do?

You call *me* out of touch, but I’ve cared about this from the start. It wasn’t a scam—I was invested until it became a game of nitpicking every idea I had.

I’ve always been vocal about my views on this community. I might not have as much experience as others, know every detail of its history, or be the most active, but I care. I speak up because I hate the lack of transparency and constant discourse.

I never wanted the *title* of president—I wanted change. I wanted people to actually listen instead of brushing me off. My frustration comes from passion, from caring about where this community is headed. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t bother speaking up.

Even if I’m not around 24/7, I still check in, report issues, and try to offer solutions. Maybe I’m too idealistic, but I just want OT to feel like it used to—like the place older users talk about. Right now, it just feels like a space for shitposting and arguments.
Topic Starter
Patatitta

IAMACROBA wrote:

It seems like a lot of candidates are running just for the sake of it or out of spite—do you not feel the same way?

This whole "political" RP has actually brought the community together. Your megathread has sparked more engagement than we've seen in months, aside from spam. And if you’re grilling me this much, doesn’t that show you care just as much as I do?

You call *me* out of touch, but I’ve cared about this from the start. It wasn’t a scam—I was invested until it became a game of nitpicking every idea I had.

I’ve always been vocal about my views on this community. I might not have as much experience as others, know every detail of its history, or be the most active, but I care. I speak up because I hate the lack of transparency and constant discourse.

I never wanted the *title* of president—I wanted change. I wanted people to actually listen instead of brushing me off. My frustration comes from passion, from caring about where this community is headed. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t bother speaking up.

Even if I’m not around 24/7, I still check in, report issues, and try to offer solutions. Maybe I’m too idealistic, but I just want OT to feel like it used to—like the place older users talk about. Right now, it just feels like a space for shitposting and arguments.
no, the whole poltiiacl rp has not brought the community together, have you seen the drama it caused?, gmts were talking about canceling the elections and gov, we now have the question of if gov is even necessary just because of that, yes, there are meme candidates but even scyla kinda has their ideas more clear, actually saying how they would use their powers rather than just suggesting things they could do without them

i'm not nitpicking every thing you say, I don't have a ny reason why I would do so, there has never been any blood between us, I don't dislike you, I just disagree with you and i'm giving my opinion like you gave yours

another old OT users kinda commented the same, that the drama is what made OT, OT, and honestly, I think I talk with the majority when I say that is not healthy for OT or what the people now want. The people posting on this thread are a very small fraction of denizens, look at any other thread and you will see dozens of faces that aren't here just because they don't fuck with this.

I call you out of touch not because you're innactive, but because your ideals seem stuck.

How can you say you want the best for OT when you just admitted running because of anger of spite?, can you in good conciousness say that you're a good candidateA?
DeletedUser_32597938
Anger and frustration don’t cancel out wanting the best for something. They come from seeing problems and wanting them fixed. If I didn’t care, I wouldn’t have bothered running or putting this much thought into it.

I won’t pretend I’m a perfect candidate, but I stepped up because I wanted to make a difference. Whether that makes me a good candidate is up to the community, but I wasn’t here just to sit back and watch things stay the same or decline.
Ymir
Are people going to vote for someone who just recently came back from hiatus and had no previous involvement in the government to balance that?
I don't know.

Are people going to vote for Achromalia?
Definitely.

Vote Achro 2025.
Polyspora
can this government usurper just stop talking please??
Asian Warlord
This is a question for everyone

1.
If my right ballsack becomes itchy either you A. lick the itchy part or B. stretch it with your nails.

2.
Can we just talk about the political and economic state of the world instead of this child's play

3.
What would you guys do to help the egg prices rise?

4.
What can you do to provide affordable health care?

5.
What can you do to decrease the unemployment rate?

6.
How can you fix the problem for the illegal immigrants coming into the country?

7.
What can you do about climate change?

8.
What can you do to solve the crime and gun violence that's going on around the country as we speak right now?
Asian Warlord
also last question

What day do you think Playboi Carti is going to drop "I Am Music"?
Ymir
Pata is to blame for immigration into OT. Report him.
z0z
this place has no economy other than social interaction
Asian Warlord

z0z wrote:

this place has no economy other than social interaction
I see people doing a lot of things to get that osu supporter if you know what I mean
sametdze
esketit gamers


what do you plan for denizen system?
unfreeze it, start a new generation, build from there

What normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?
what in the..??

will you host events if you win?
i don't really host events anymore

do we need an OT government nowadays?
no lol

do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?
no because bro they literally already have all the power in the forum WHY do they need more

your opinions on pataitta's presidency
he did a fine job, i didn't notice anything so i can't really say

what's your goals regarding role playing in OT?
idk, i dont have any "goals", i just want to have fun

do you think the government's group chat should be public?
nah, unless it's called for (like a misunderstanding or whatever) i reckon it should be kept private

should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? should corne quit?
no, we already have two (three if you include kobold but i haven't seen him in a while) and while corne sucks at his job i dont think he should quit but rather reflect and improve

what actions should be taken in case of necropost in OT?
nothing. let the thread die again after two days, its really not that deep

do you think OT has any problems?
regarding things that would be in my control, no. regarding things out of my control, yes (respecting other users for example)
Topic Starter
Patatitta
sametdze accepted, thread updated
Ashton
Achro definitely is about to post a novel answering these questions
burgernfat

Asian Warlord wrote:

also last question

What day do you think Playboi Carti is going to drop "I Am Music"?
abraker

z0z wrote:

this place has no economy other than social interaction
not yet
Corne2Plum3

Question 7 wrote:

What do you plan for the denizen system? If keeping it what would you do with it? (So far it has almost only ever been used for elections)
I think there was good ideas with Patatitta OT!Eras, however it's not really perfect, such as handling people between 2 years and I feel like it's been used to exclude inactive OT!users, which I think it shouldn't be. I think I'd keep the denizen system in place, but with objective criteria, as Patatitta was looking for, to avoid drama. It may change but I'd set the requirements as:
  1. 300 posts, including 30 within the previous month.
  2. 3 months since first post
  3. 1 created thread
You may think this does lower the bar to be denizen but I'm totally okay with it. I feel like these 6 months requirements are too high and really separate the denizens into 2 groups, and exclude some who actually deserved at some point. For diving denizens into groups/generation, either per year or per president. I don't want a "elitist" title as denizen. Maybe if people want a "elite" list, of people who changed OT significantly, then why not, but the problem is, how you can objective here? I'm open for suggestions.


Question 8 wrote:

What normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?
None 🐺

If it's about my "ethical framework" as president, it would be the interest of OT as a whole, not putting my own interest in priority. This is how I always acted (even without being president), even as GMT. I'm not GMT to take over of OT or anything but because OT was lacking of GMT, and it could have been in long term the end of OT (or maybe not, but who knows?).


Question 9 wrote:

Will you host events if you were to win?, If the answer is yes, what events have you hosted WITHOUT being president?
Weird question to talk about future and if answering yes, talking about the past.

Let's talk about the past project I made. I hosted the succesful OT!Skin, or other ideas such as Google Docs public documents or the OT! OC collab in collaboration with LostSiver a few times after my fursona reveal . I was also very active in the OT!Book and it's sequel, and on very important event, I can be here and to help making others' events a success and fun for everyone. I also made some epic threads during the RP eras such as the french osu! shop or OT! currrency design. There are for sure other projects I didn't mentionned here, some with success, and some with failure.

Whatever RP will be back or not, I can be creative and make some very good events where people have fun. For ideas I have:
  1. OT!Skin collab 2, it's been 4 years already...
  2. A card game (like pokemon) but with OT! denizen. I already did this before but failed because the rules were too complicated...
  3. Maybe a new version of the OT!Book if people are motivated, in a more restricted area (no magic, demons, explosions, etc.)
  4. I'll try a few RP threads and if they fails, well I'll consider RP dead but this won't stop me
  5. And more...
Those are collaborative projects that everyone can join, to unite people, which is fun, really. I did take part to some epic threads and I still want to do that again.

I can do this without being president tho. If I was president, I'd try to make denizens more actors of the governement and how OT is going, and not just watching what's the governement do in their private group. I'll organize more vote, more choice to people to decide what they wants for OT and its future.


Question 10 wrote:

Do we need an OT! government nowadays? If yes, what powers the president should have?
Depends of what OT!governement is. It is just RP and/or a counter power against GMT? I've seen both since I'm GMT in 2023...

If it's just RP, I'd say no because I feel like it caused more harm than good. We have people very involved, and taking this (too?) seriously (see the shitshow during the 2 first days of these current elections, and yeah, I know I wasn't good regarding that point either)... If it's to have a counter-power against GMT, I'm divided. I feel like this is a bit overkill for a shitposting subforum, and we aren't in a context where it's raining locks (remember Stefan last year, or even with abraker years ago). I think with how I handle the forums, maybe it's unnecessary, as I'm trying to locks and delete posts/threads when it's really needed, cases where the gov can't even intervene.

But in another side, hearing the feedback from people can help me in the others pointing out what I'm doing wrong, and thus in a process of improvement, which is benefical for both parts. Seriously I did so much shit at the beginning of my GMT role. (and I duuno how I didn't got fired after nearly 2 years lol) I'm not against getting yelled at when it's really needed, even if it's not making me happy. So at this point, I'm okay to keep that "report" thread that Patatitta made, and if I really want to be a moron, I could just ignore it.

And about what powers a president should have, not subtitute a GMT for sure, they don't really have the competences and not always have all elements when action should be taken. They can contest some decisions, on not severe cases, but not severe ones. (to give an idea (not absolute), when silences are given or when threads wastelanded) I'm personally doing my best to not abuse my moderation powers. And they also shouldn't be able to bend rules of the system without or with little discussion, at least everyone should be able to discuss it. For RP, I'm fine the president can do whatever he wants as long this isn't used to create drama or "crush" people because of a f*cking title which has (almost) no value, for real!


Question 11 wrote:

Do you think GMTs should be able to be president and why?
I don't see the GMT role and the president role as mutually exclusive. abraker had both roles at the same time (more exactly, he became GMT during his presidency) and it went well, not too much drama, overall it worked!

I can understand that some people doesn't see well this idea of a GMT president, but what if at some point people want that? Not wanting a governement and all the drama that slow down in some sense the moderation, and just people and GMTs like a normal forum? And if they don't want, I want to them to at least having the choice, and if they don't want, they just vote someone else, as simple as that. Why being so aggressive and preventing at all cost a GMT being president? In 2024 this wasn't even an issue...

I can't tell about the plans of other GMTs if they eventually become denizen, but I promise, I swear, that I won't use the governement to assert some sort of dominance, to my interest only, but for everyone. I don't want to be seen as a god or "the face of OT" or any shitty title you come with. And a dictatorship RP doesn't interest me at all, I don't want that! At least, I'd like to show you that yes, GMT + president role is possible without things go wrong.


Question 12 wrote:

Your opinions on Patatitta's presidency, whatever it's about their behavior or their actions taken? (WITHOUT BEING SALTY)
For behaviour, I'm clearly not happy of Patatitta's behavior, and I've spat enough (probably too much) at him, so I won't spend any more time saying what I thought was wrong. But I do think there's still room for improvement. At least despite the bad experience I personnaly had the whole year, things got done. So I'll just say that with more transparancy, less stubborn and arrogant behaviour, he would have been a very great president.

Because beyond his behaviour, I do think the actions taken as president are good, or very good sometimes. There was genuinely good idea to implement new stuff and changes to OT, some very interesting and exiting changes in a OT a bit "sleepy" and "boring" as some may think, after the gov being inactive during 2022-2023. About the actions I don't really have criticism about the result, really.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
accepted, I just want to make one thing clear, eras is NOT denizen. Eras is my own thread and it has nothing to do with GOV, what is denizen is the thread called "hall of shame", that have a different format and requirements.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
apparently two questions were requested and I missed them, sucks, accepted now, these are the LAST questions that will be accepted into this, you got until saturday to anwer them.
Topic Starter
Patatitta
- Can you send your best thread?

community/forums/topics/1829424?n=1

- What do you think about the OT community? What do you like/dislike about it?

it generally is chill, I dislike when drama arises or when some people throw slurs around like winny when they get heated, or ymir on discord, but everything else is fine, believe me or not I like waifus.
Corne2Plum3

Question 13 wrote:

What's your goals regarding role playing in OT?
Try to bring in back, not forcing too much into the political side of OT (OT!governement, etc.) because it causes more heated discussions than fun. Then, if it fails, I'll just give up. I can't force RP of there are nobody to engage with, and the only way to eventually revive it is new people wanting to RP comes to OT.


Question 15 wrote:

Do you think the government's group chat should be public? (for transparency for example)
Yes, for transparency. The denizens should know what the government is going.


Question 16 wrote:

Should we have more GMTs dedicated to OT? Also, should Corne2Plum3 quit?
I'm not against 1 or 2 more GMTs dedicated to OT. At the moment there's only me and abraker (who's sometimes inactive) who are GMTs especially for OT. And for the 2nd question, I'm not the best placed to answer it.


Question 17 wrote:

What actions should be taken in case of necropost in OT?
I'd delete the reply in addition of locking the thread (without replying), to avoid giving attention to the necroposter, which is sometimes what they're looking for.


Question 18 wrote:

Do you think OT has any problems? If yes, how would you go about fixing them?
I don't think OT as is doesn't have a ton of problem, put aside the government crisis, which isn't really a big issue, thinking about. I'd say there are some toxic users but then the responsibility is for people, not me. However the only thing I can do is doing my job as GMT.
igorsprite

What do you think about the OT community? What do you like/dislike about it?
it's fine. i like when people make more casual threads and talk about their day to day or something that happened recently, but i don't like when people keep forcing some meta
Corne2Plum3

Question 19 wrote:

Can you send your best thread?
I'm hesitating between these two:
  1. community/forums/topics/1246838
  2. community/forums/topics/1527564


Question 20 wrote:

What do you think about the OT community? What do you like/dislike about it?
I think the community is fine, a lot better than what we could except from a shitposting subforum. I find some people annoying but this is a minority. I feel like it's a nice place to act "weird" without being judged too hard.
Achromalia
hi so instead of me answering questions how about i give you art to buy your vote and to stall until any questions are answered :)

(/joking, im acknowledging the rules go unchanged!! but i am lazy so the stalling part is true lol)

quirky off-topic subforum gijinka/mascot draft v1
w/ indecisively mediocre(?) design except that humanoid thing is a thinly veiled [recycled character]

abraker


we got an OT flag before GTA 6
Achromalia
copypasting a thing since its related to the following quote!! >:)

abraker wrote:



we got an OT flag before GTA 6
off-topic characteristics... im not exactly sure yet

i usually think of its interpersonal politics with titles and power and dramatic misunderstandings/objections/grudges, and of mildly polarized gmt-versus-user dynamics when theyre not necessarily at war or anything but people have problems with moderation choices and moderators' personalities/behaviors in general

but i dont really care for stoking that fire unless its an artistic narrative and that dramatized narrative has consequences from validating peoples' opinions or propagandizing something i dont think is even representative of the subforum anyway

some notes:

+ black and dark-grey and brown and burgundy, all of these seem like primary colors to focus on as a theme-- my color choices are really very on-the-nose from the website design and i think it's a fair-enough characteristic feature for representing off-topic users. i hoped to use black/grey/brown for something that "cloaks" or "hides" in the background or as a mundane feature, so hair and eyes and cardigans(?)/jackets seemed ok for that, but i think the actual little puppet mascot at the side would have burgundy eyes or something... in the meanwhile, burgundy would be the primary color of self-expression and taking up attention first and foremost, so i believed it should be "closest to the heart" as well as eyes and lips but i was not really into the secondary parts and left it at eyeshadow

+ yellow for those warnings/silences, using stickers seemed very intuitive and satisfying but then i realized i didnt know what to do with that. people will probably only ever see yellow because of some kind of forum infraction so i bundle it up with the idea of gmt moderation

+ green has been the most difficult for me, because the green is for very different things on the site... green outlines new posts and activity here in the "other" category of subforums, but in current relevant subforum politics we also have gmts who are viewed by some with suspicion. as a result i think of cuffs and collars as sites of control/suffocation, but green buttons are intended to represent both threads new posts (the ring outline) as well as moderator activity (the green dot beside the name of each gmt). notably, buttoning together and veiling the red-and-blue "expression and freedom" under the cardigan/jacket seemed intuitive to me

+ blue is the second-most difficult, because by now the color palette is a lot harder to organize and balance appealingly, but blue is typically representing normal user activity and a few other secondary buttons, so i tried a ton of things with the turtleneck sweater and jacket before settling on a dotted pattern that represents a multitude of individual users and their "dots"

+ for the puppet... the burgundy spiral eye is shaped with the community's dizzy disorganized disposition and the "you can never leave" meme in mind, while the green button eye is a literal button that would revisit the "post" button and the theme of new activity. the collar is probably green and/or yellow again. the "off" of "off-topic" is shaping the eye and the grin because i love doing that with letters, and the grin is stitched up because it just seemed to fit somehow, meanwhile the turtleneck collar is itself the "t" of "topic" and the zipper could somehow be the "o"

+ for the flag... the same color principles apply, i was super indecisive with it and went through maybe ten or eleven iterations before i gave up and left it with the overlapping green-tab and blue-cursor design, their meanings were hopefully easy enough to infer
sametdze
can you send your best thread?
no because i don't remember any threads of mine that ended up being "my best", OT world cup maybe? i'm quite indecisive on this

what do you think about the OT community? what do you like/dislike about it?
its a fun community, great and funny people, what's not to love? i don't really like the "drama" when two users get heated but eh it all goes away in two days so Ecks Dee!
Topic Starter
Patatitta
thread updated, also moved to phase 3,

Allowed candidates are:

-Patatitta
-Corne2Plum3
-Igorsprite
-Sametdze

the voting procedure is: dm me your vote, and then say in this thread that you voted
Polyspora
what where is achro
Polyspora
all the fucking options are horrible what the fuck lmao
Topic Starter
Patatitta

Polyspora wrote:

what where is achro
dq, only answered 1 question in a whole week like I know they were the fan favourite but come on, even with previous elections rules where you only had to answer 4 questions total they would have been dqed
Reyalp51
i voted and stuff
shame scyla isnt here
sametdze
what if we just didnt vote
Topic Starter
Patatitta

sametdze wrote:

what if we just didnt vote
idk gov cancelled I guess but reyalp already voted also you can selfvote

on that topic, I voted
sametdze
i voted
reffty_gag
it's a shame that achro isn't included......
anyway, can i vote ? nvm, i voted
Achromalia
splitting this into a couple parts...

oh... wait did daylight savings already happen?? i thought i had forty-five more minutes :sob: i didnt know the thread updated either but thats on me for tunnel-visioning

no, even daylight savings is a couple days later, i think i just misremembered what time the deadline was... that's really really cringe :<

i am suddenly not really invested in this anymore, unless there were exceptions for the misunderstanding but i think the rules said it quite clearly and patatitta doesnt seem to be one to make those kinds of exceptions, it's my own fault for procrastinating (and it would likely reflect on my presidency anyway)

maybe a run for parliament would be fine, or i could do things regardless of the government, or actively roleplay a rebellion against it, i'm not really sure

[ question #1: "why are you running for president?" ]

...admittedly, the primary case of my candidacy was my own boredom x')

but it also seemed to me like troubled institutions like denizenship have costed time and attention with ambiguous reward, and concerns about recent gmt behavior/activity had been floating at the forefront for a while with limited apparent benefit to user experience. it seemed to loom and linger rather than being a subject of interest (or rather, those who wrote passionate[?] objections would go on with underwhelming reception) and many more people expressed exhaustion with these issues (introducing absolutist solutions like "drop denizenship entirely", "dissolve government entirely", "drop presidency entirely"). most of anything this subforum's government has ever uniquely been capable of, beyond denizens themselves, appears to be minimal in scope

in essence, i'm another loosely-sentimental "give voting power to the people" candidate, somewhere between patatitta and corne, and flexible toward any of those political directions and perhaps beyond the platforms of either of them depending on contextually-informed communal consensus wherever/whenever it proves to concern us

for patatitta, i imagine the flexibility and lax platform makes it difficult to find what you're looking for from off-topic if i were too aimless or receptive to something diverging from your platform... but i imagine you yourself would continue to have a voice, and i think i'd be sympathetic to your thoughts/concerns from what you've been expressing throughout your time here

for corne, i imagine some cultural and interpersonal contexts make it a bit touchy to address where we stand on the gmt-and-user power-dynamic issue when this imbalance is concentrated in people uniquely capable of enforcing the nature of expression and culture. it's easy enough for me to imagine it being concerning regardless of precedent when you would be someone who has forum-wide discretion to exercise that power, regardless of stated intentions, especially because past behaviors and moderation choices have made it difficult to believe and trust in that promise you're making. but at the same time, i don't really believe that deeply or strongly in "legislating" against it, in a position where our "government" is barely in a position to regulate anything at all. we have limited power to affect moderators beyond report buttons for extreme offenses, of which we normally don't see from anyone in any way

[ question #2: "anything new you have in mind for ot?" ]

i'd characterize my response as mostly being something between wimpy and patatitta... specifically, i'm sympathetic to the belief that events should largely survive on community approval and utility and be freely created and hosted by any of y'all who want to see something and are willing to do something. if there was to be any institutional presence in hosting events, then i'm interested in supplementing community activity with an optional thread-drafting service for brainstorming and supplying aesthetic materials and editing/curating for an intended purpose, possibly also maintaining or refining a service in someone's stead in case they're inactive or busy so that they can catch up a little easier :>

but there's a touch of corne's administrative touch in my thoughts. i'd probably hover over the prospect of formalizing rules and rewriting a modernized constitution, prioritizing clarity with conciseness and ease of application in mind... defining denizenship is not exactly a personal plan but may be included as a result for the sake of consistency and efficiency

either way, i've been describing and expressing myself as "the arts-and-culture candidate", and that's generally something i do believe i could contrast the recent administrative/security focus with. demographics and history and biography, art and music and writing, i will likely be searching for a lot since i'm here a lot anyway and am interested in answering those questions for myself... furthermore, it's probably easier if that pursuit exists as an institution that is given credibility and that others can contribute to :>

i'm sure i would be open to a lot more, it's a bit disappointing that i'm not really listing quite as directly concise of an answer as this would merit in order to really demonstrate what i'd submit for introduction into off-topic daily life, but this is a timed assignment and i'm writing this in last-minute;;

[question #3: "will you exile users who keep making threads in less than 24 hours?" ]

it wouldnt really seem proportionate to me...

still, i could understand spam/shitposting being frustrating/exhausting to some :') i imagine some are more likely to value and rely on coherent discussions and resources for specific interests, or they have strained relationships/sentiments with someone they dislike seeing in a community they occupy, or they suspect these behaviors to be damaging for us in general even if expected from off-topic

...i likely wouldnt be interested in strict observation of threadlocking either (with some opportunity for exception and further definition depending on consensus of user opinions), but any issue (including spam/shitposting and exile/restriction) will affect more people than myself, so, my position is only a starting point from which i'd deliberate and negotiate with anyone actively concerned :0

[ question #4: "do you believe formal rules/guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: thread quality, respect between ot members, preventing bad influences on minors? why or why not?" ]

this is a case-by-case kind of question for me, so

for thread quality, absolutely not. independent of defining thread quality itself, different people enjoy different threads anyway and are catered to by threads that others may consider to be "low-quality" or are bored by ones other consider "high-quality". any effect i could imagine a government having is a sort of supplemental thread-support service that has no enforceable weight in compelling a user to do anything beyond what is agreed... for threads that seem questionable either by some morally/ethically objectionable basis or by sheer annoyance/frustration, i'm more likely to approach this with patatitta's framework-- lock when people appeal for it, or when the content is otherwise proving to be actively harming someone

for interpersonal respect, to a legislative extent, i'm open to some additional guidelines but currently am more inclined to let this remain informal. i don't disagree with the premise of wanting to encourage civility or peacemaking, it's actually my preference, but making it into a formal rule in some way is difficult to enforce and in many cases is needlessly restrictive. if i were to do anything, then it'd be more of an interpersonal and individual thing that isn't enforced so much as it is an offer. like stated by patatitta, you can report behavior upstream when it's serious, given that we have a very minimal influence beyond what is effectively social shunning

for preventing influence on minors, the more grave things are already addressed in the forum-wide rules but i imagine people could offer their thoughts if there was anything they believed should be legislated. i'm tentatively in limbo both for and against this, but i do feel a bit more likely to be personally-motivated to formalize something if it had popular appeal and was given adequate consideration

[ question #5: "why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?" ]

i don't quite believe that, no. this is more of an option if people think i would be in any way better suited in their own perspectives, rather than mine alone... but i do think there are things that can best be done when you're put in a credible position to practice what you preach directly with the responsibility of influence granted to you


[ question #7: "what do you plan for the denizen system? if keeping it, what would you do with it? so far, it has almost only ever been used for elections..." ]

i... don't have a strong answer here. i'm not very personally interested in any particular approach and would probably defer to others on this. i think i would keep it, and possibly offer to curate it-- an important distinction to make is also one of who has the responsibility/ownership of a thread and whether the government would/should have any power in compelling someone like patatitta with his own denizen-related or denizen-adjacent systems to change that model as a result of new administration. in fact, i'm curious whether there would be other possible approaches, where we create separate systems that can eventually be voted on

...but that's somewhere in the midground or background for me, unless some sort of popular appeal is made

[ question #8: "what normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?" ]

a normative ethical framework...? it's possible there's an informal code of ethics i follow, but most of this is an extension of a very vague interpretation of a do-no-harm principle according to my own biases, or something like that. it's not something i could really imagine listing explicitly, and anything i follow is also often-times something i apply to myself more than being anything i would apply for anyone else

i'm... not adherent to a religious code or spiritual faith at all, as far as i'm aware

[ question #0: "will you host events if you were to win? if the answer is yes, what events have you hosted without being president?" ]

most likely, yes!! i've mostly aimed for art-related events though, which i think i've done twice now. once maybe six-ish years ago (something like "ot amateur artwork avenue") and again somewhere within the past several months (something like "ms paint, and a survey of off-topic culture", but i forgot most of the titles throughout its lifetime)

i've likely done a couple other things, some threads related to presidency and one as an extension of a custom/tradition called "ot executions" which i barely remembered just now and am pretty sure i failed to maintain at the time;;

from here on, i... am probably going to be a bit more crazed with the events. again, arts and culture, including "whiteboard"-related events like possible aggie.io sessions (if applicable?) or art collaborations, possibly events retelling or revising old off-topic lore, or threads outlining intraforum subcultures of people and biographies, yearbooks and so on :D

...but that's not unique to something a president or government official would be capable of, really

[ question #10: "do we need an off-topic government nowadays? if yes, what powers should the president have?" ]

...my nitpick is with "need" and "should", but i can imagine there being a use for it, even if not very clear or immediate. whether that utility is wielded well within our lifespans of activity here, i'm not sure i could say. i could only hope we make it easier if we do deem a quasi-roleplay government to be our best way to achieve that ^^;; i'll likely start with appealing to what we already have, but leaving changes up to appeal or suggestions by other people
igorsprite
i voted
sametdze

Achromalia wrote:

splitting this into a couple parts...

oh... wait did daylight savings already happen?? i thought i had forty-five more minutes :sob: i didnt know the thread updated either but thats on me for tunnel-visioning

no, even daylight savings is a couple days later, i think i just misremembered what time the deadline was... :< that's really cringe

[ question #1: "why are you running for president?" ]

...admittedly, the primary case of my candidacy was my own boredom x')

but it also seemed to me like troubled institutions like denizenship have costed time and attention with ambiguous reward, and concerns about recent gmt behavior/activity had been floating at the forefront for a while with limited apparent benefit to user experience. it seemed to loom and linger rather than being a subject of interest (or rather, those who wrote passionate[?] objections would go on with underwhelming reception) and many more people expressed exhaustion with these issues (introducing absolutist solutions like "drop denizenship entirely", "dissolve government entirely", "drop presidency entirely"). most of anything this subforum's government has ever uniquely been capable of, beyond denizens themselves, appears to be minimal in scope

in essence, i'm another loosely-sentimental "give voting power to the people" candidate, somewhere between patatitta and corne, and flexible toward any of those political directions and perhaps beyond the platforms of either of them depending on contextually-informed communal consensus wherever/whenever it proves to concern us

for patatitta, i imagine the flexibility and lax platform makes it difficult to find what you're looking for from off-topic if i were too aimless or receptive to something diverging from your platform... but i imagine you yourself would continue to have a voice, and i think i'd be sympathetic to your thoughts/concerns from what you've been expressing throughout your time here

for corne, i imagine some cultural and interpersonal contexts make it a bit touchy to address where we stand on the gmt-and-user power-dynamic issue when this imbalance is concentrated in people uniquely capable of enforcing the nature of expression and culture. it's easy enough for me to imagine it being concerning regardless of precedent when you would be someone who has forum-wide discretion to exercise that power, regardless of stated intentions, especially because past behaviors and moderation choices have made it difficult to believe and trust in that promise you're making. but at the same time, i don't really believe that deeply or strongly in "legislating" against it, in a position where our "government" is barely in a position to regulate anything at all. we have limited power to affect moderators beyond report buttons for extreme offenses, of which we normally don't see from anyone in any way

[ question #2: "anything new you have in mind for ot?" ]

i'd characterize my response as mostly being something between wimpy and patatitta... specifically, i'm sympathetic to the belief that events should largely survive on community approval and utility and be freely created and hosted by any of y'all who want to see something and are willing to do something. if there was to be any institutional presence in hosting events, then i'm interested in supplementing community activity with an optional thread-drafting service for brainstorming and supplying aesthetic materials and editing/curating for an intended purpose, possibly also maintaining or refining a service in someone's stead in case they're inactive or busy so that they can catch up a little easier :>

but there's a touch of corne's administrative touch in my thoughts. i'd probably hover over the prospect of formalizing rules and rewriting a modernized constitution, prioritizing clarity with conciseness and ease of application in mind... defining denizenship is not exactly a personal plan but may be included as a result for the sake of consistency and efficiency

either way, i've been describing and expressing myself as "the arts-and-culture candidate", and that's generally something i do believe i could contrast the recent administrative/security focus with. demographics and history and biography, art and music and writing, i will likely be searching for a lot since i'm here a lot anyway and am interested in answering those questions for myself... furthermore, it's probably easier if that pursuit exists as an institution that is given credibility and that others can contribute to :>

i'm sure i would be open to a lot more, it's a bit disappointing that i'm not really listing quite as directly concise of an answer as this would merit in order to really demonstrate what i'd submit for introduction into off-topic daily life, but this is a timed assignment and i'm writing this in last-minute;;

[question #3: "will you exile users who keep making threads in less than 24 hours?" ]

it wouldnt really seem proportionate to me...

still, i could understand spam/shitposting being frustrating/exhausting to some :') i imagine some are more likely to value and rely on coherent discussions and resources for specific interests, or they have strained relationships/sentiments with someone they dislike seeing in a community they occupy, or they suspect these behaviors to be damaging for us in general even if expected from off-topic

...i likely wouldnt be interested in strict observation of threadlocking either (with some opportunity for exception and further definition depending on consensus of user opinions), but any issue (including spam/shitposting and exile/restriction) will affect more people than myself, so, my position is only a starting point from which i'd deliberate and negotiate with anyone actively concerned :0

[ question #4: "do you believe formal rules/guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: thread quality, respect between ot members, preventing bad influences on minors? why or why not?" ]

this is a case-by-case kind of question for me, so

for thread quality, absolutely not. independent of defining thread quality itself, different people enjoy different threads anyway and are catered to by threads that others may consider to be "low-quality" or are bored by ones other consider "high-quality". any effect i could imagine a government having is a sort of supplemental thread-support service that has no enforceable weight in compelling a user to do anything beyond what is agreed... for threads that seem questionable either by some morally/ethically objectionable basis or by sheer annoyance/frustration, i'm more likely to approach this with patatitta's framework-- lock when people appeal for it, or when the content is otherwise proving to be actively harming someone

for interpersonal respect, to a legislative extent, i'm open to some additional guidelines but currently am more inclined to let this remain informal. i don't disagree with the premise of wanting to encourage civility or peacemaking, it's actually my preference, but making it into a formal rule in some way is difficult to enforce and in many cases is needlessly restrictive. if i were to do anything, then it'd be more of an interpersonal and individual thing that isn't enforced so much as it is an offer. like stated by patatitta, you can report behavior upstream when it's serious, given that we have a very minimal influence beyond what is effectively social shunning

for preventing influence on minors, the more grave things are already addressed in the forum-wide rules but i imagine people could offer their thoughts if there was anything they believed should be legislated. i'm tentatively in limbo both for and against this, but i do feel a bit more likely to be personally-motivated to formalize something if it had popular appeal and was given adequate consideration

[ question #5: "why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?" ]

i don't quite believe that, no. this is more of an option if people think i would be in any way better suited in their own perspectives, rather than mine alone... but i do think there are things that can best be done when you're put in a credible position to practice what you preach directly with the responsibility of influence granted to you


[ question #7: "what do you plan for the denizen system? if keeping it, what would you do with it? so far, it has almost only ever been used for elections..." ]

i... don't have a strong answer here. i'm not very personally interested in any particular approach and would probably defer to others on this. i think i would keep it, and possibly offer to curate it-- an important distinction to make is also one of who has the responsibility/ownership of a thread and whether the government would/should have any power in compelling someone like patatitta with his own denizen-related or denizen-adjacent systems to change that model as a result of new administration. in fact, i'm curious whether there would be other possible approaches, where we create separate systems that can eventually be voted on

...but that's somewhere in the midground or background for me, unless some sort of popular appeal is made

[ question #8: "what normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?" ]

a normative ethical framework...? it's possible there's an informal code of ethics i follow, but most of this is an extension of a very vague interpretation of a do-no-harm principle according to my own biases, or something like that. it's not something i could really imagine listing explicitly, and anything i follow is also often-times something i apply to myself more than being anything i would apply for anyone else

i'm... not adherent to a religious code or spiritual faith at all, as far as i'm aware

[ question #0: "will you host events if you were to win? if the answer is yes, what events have you hosted without being president?" ]

most likely, yes!! i've mostly aimed for art-related events though, which i think i've done twice now. once maybe six-ish years ago (something like "ot amateur artwork avenue") and again somewhere within the past several months (something like "ms paint, and a survey of off-topic culture", but i forgot most of the titles throughout its lifetime)

i've likely done a couple other things, some threads related to presidency and one as an extension of a custom/tradition called "ot executions" which i barely remembered just now and am pretty sure i failed to maintain at the time;;

from here on, i... am probably going to be a bit more crazed with the events. again, arts and culture, including "whiteboard"-related events like possible aggie.io sessions (if applicable?) or art collaborations, possibly events retelling or revising old off-topic lore, or threads outlining intraforum subcultures of people and biographies, yearbooks and so on :D

...but that's not unique to something a president or government official would be capable of, really

[ question #10: "do we need an off-topic government nowadays? if yes, what powers should the president have?" ]

...my nitpick is with "need" and "should", but i can imagine there being a use for it, even if not very clear or immediate. whether that utility is wielded well within our lifespans of activity here, i'm not sure i could say. i could only hope we make it easier if we do deem a quasi-roleplay government to be our best way to achieve that ^^;; i'll likely start with appealing to what we already have, but leaving changes up to appeal or suggestions by other people
in another universe you just barely made it in the thread :(

i would've voted you
reffty_gag

sametdze wrote:

Achromalia wrote:

splitting this into a couple parts...

oh... wait did daylight savings already happen?? i thought i had forty-five more minutes :sob: i didnt know the thread updated either but thats on me for tunnel-visioning

no, even daylight savings is a couple days later, i think i just misremembered what time the deadline was... :< that's really cringe

[ question #1: "why are you running for president?" ]

...admittedly, the primary case of my candidacy was my own boredom x')

but it also seemed to me like troubled institutions like denizenship have costed time and attention with ambiguous reward, and concerns about recent gmt behavior/activity had been floating at the forefront for a while with limited apparent benefit to user experience. it seemed to loom and linger rather than being a subject of interest (or rather, those who wrote passionate[?] objections would go on with underwhelming reception) and many more people expressed exhaustion with these issues (introducing absolutist solutions like "drop denizenship entirely", "dissolve government entirely", "drop presidency entirely"). most of anything this subforum's government has ever uniquely been capable of, beyond denizens themselves, appears to be minimal in scope

in essence, i'm another loosely-sentimental "give voting power to the people" candidate, somewhere between patatitta and corne, and flexible toward any of those political directions and perhaps beyond the platforms of either of them depending on contextually-informed communal consensus wherever/whenever it proves to concern us

for patatitta, i imagine the flexibility and lax platform makes it difficult to find what you're looking for from off-topic if i were too aimless or receptive to something diverging from your platform... but i imagine you yourself would continue to have a voice, and i think i'd be sympathetic to your thoughts/concerns from what you've been expressing throughout your time here

for corne, i imagine some cultural and interpersonal contexts make it a bit touchy to address where we stand on the gmt-and-user power-dynamic issue when this imbalance is concentrated in people uniquely capable of enforcing the nature of expression and culture. it's easy enough for me to imagine it being concerning regardless of precedent when you would be someone who has forum-wide discretion to exercise that power, regardless of stated intentions, especially because past behaviors and moderation choices have made it difficult to believe and trust in that promise you're making. but at the same time, i don't really believe that deeply or strongly in "legislating" against it, in a position where our "government" is barely in a position to regulate anything at all. we have limited power to affect moderators beyond report buttons for extreme offenses, of which we normally don't see from anyone in any way

[ question #2: "anything new you have in mind for ot?" ]

i'd characterize my response as mostly being something between wimpy and patatitta... specifically, i'm sympathetic to the belief that events should largely survive on community approval and utility and be freely created and hosted by any of y'all who want to see something and are willing to do something. if there was to be any institutional presence in hosting events, then i'm interested in supplementing community activity with an optional thread-drafting service for brainstorming and supplying aesthetic materials and editing/curating for an intended purpose, possibly also maintaining or refining a service in someone's stead in case they're inactive or busy so that they can catch up a little easier :>

but there's a touch of corne's administrative touch in my thoughts. i'd probably hover over the prospect of formalizing rules and rewriting a modernized constitution, prioritizing clarity with conciseness and ease of application in mind... defining denizenship is not exactly a personal plan but may be included as a result for the sake of consistency and efficiency

either way, i've been describing and expressing myself as "the arts-and-culture candidate", and that's generally something i do believe i could contrast the recent administrative/security focus with. demographics and history and biography, art and music and writing, i will likely be searching for a lot since i'm here a lot anyway and am interested in answering those questions for myself... furthermore, it's probably easier if that pursuit exists as an institution that is given credibility and that others can contribute to :>

i'm sure i would be open to a lot more, it's a bit disappointing that i'm not really listing quite as directly concise of an answer as this would merit in order to really demonstrate what i'd submit for introduction into off-topic daily life, but this is a timed assignment and i'm writing this in last-minute;;

[question #3: "will you exile users who keep making threads in less than 24 hours?" ]

it wouldnt really seem proportionate to me...

still, i could understand spam/shitposting being frustrating/exhausting to some :') i imagine some are more likely to value and rely on coherent discussions and resources for specific interests, or they have strained relationships/sentiments with someone they dislike seeing in a community they occupy, or they suspect these behaviors to be damaging for us in general even if expected from off-topic

...i likely wouldnt be interested in strict observation of threadlocking either (with some opportunity for exception and further definition depending on consensus of user opinions), but any issue (including spam/shitposting and exile/restriction) will affect more people than myself, so, my position is only a starting point from which i'd deliberate and negotiate with anyone actively concerned :0

[ question #4: "do you believe formal rules/guidelines should be put in place for, among other things: thread quality, respect between ot members, preventing bad influences on minors? why or why not?" ]

this is a case-by-case kind of question for me, so

for thread quality, absolutely not. independent of defining thread quality itself, different people enjoy different threads anyway and are catered to by threads that others may consider to be "low-quality" or are bored by ones other consider "high-quality". any effect i could imagine a government having is a sort of supplemental thread-support service that has no enforceable weight in compelling a user to do anything beyond what is agreed... for threads that seem questionable either by some morally/ethically objectionable basis or by sheer annoyance/frustration, i'm more likely to approach this with patatitta's framework-- lock when people appeal for it, or when the content is otherwise proving to be actively harming someone

for interpersonal respect, to a legislative extent, i'm open to some additional guidelines but currently am more inclined to let this remain informal. i don't disagree with the premise of wanting to encourage civility or peacemaking, it's actually my preference, but making it into a formal rule in some way is difficult to enforce and in many cases is needlessly restrictive. if i were to do anything, then it'd be more of an interpersonal and individual thing that isn't enforced so much as it is an offer. like stated by patatitta, you can report behavior upstream when it's serious, given that we have a very minimal influence beyond what is effectively social shunning

for preventing influence on minors, the more grave things are already addressed in the forum-wide rules but i imagine people could offer their thoughts if there was anything they believed should be legislated. i'm tentatively in limbo both for and against this, but i do feel a bit more likely to be personally-motivated to formalize something if it had popular appeal and was given adequate consideration

[ question #5: "why do you believe you should be the president over the other candidates?" ]

i don't quite believe that, no. this is more of an option if people think i would be in any way better suited in their own perspectives, rather than mine alone... but i do think there are things that can best be done when you're put in a credible position to practice what you preach directly with the responsibility of influence granted to you


[ question #7: "what do you plan for the denizen system? if keeping it, what would you do with it? so far, it has almost only ever been used for elections..." ]

i... don't have a strong answer here. i'm not very personally interested in any particular approach and would probably defer to others on this. i think i would keep it, and possibly offer to curate it-- an important distinction to make is also one of who has the responsibility/ownership of a thread and whether the government would/should have any power in compelling someone like patatitta with his own denizen-related or denizen-adjacent systems to change that model as a result of new administration. in fact, i'm curious whether there would be other possible approaches, where we create separate systems that can eventually be voted on

...but that's somewhere in the midground or background for me, unless some sort of popular appeal is made

[ question #8: "what normative ethical framework guides you, whether it be religiously ordained or otherwise?" ]

a normative ethical framework...? it's possible there's an informal code of ethics i follow, but most of this is an extension of a very vague interpretation of a do-no-harm principle according to my own biases, or something like that. it's not something i could really imagine listing explicitly, and anything i follow is also often-times something i apply to myself more than being anything i would apply for anyone else

i'm... not adherent to a religious code or spiritual faith at all, as far as i'm aware

[ question #0: "will you host events if you were to win? if the answer is yes, what events have you hosted without being president?" ]

most likely, yes!! i've mostly aimed for art-related events though, which i think i've done twice now. once maybe six-ish years ago (something like "ot amateur artwork avenue") and again somewhere within the past several months (something like "ms paint, and a survey of off-topic culture", but i forgot most of the titles throughout its lifetime)

i've likely done a couple other things, some threads related to presidency and one as an extension of a custom/tradition called "ot executions" which i barely remembered just now and am pretty sure i failed to maintain at the time;;

from here on, i... am probably going to be a bit more crazed with the events. again, arts and culture, including "whiteboard"-related events like possible aggie.io sessions (if applicable?) or art collaborations, possibly events retelling or revising old off-topic lore, or threads outlining intraforum subcultures of people and biographies, yearbooks and so on :D

...but that's not unique to something a president or government official would be capable of, really

[ question #10: "do we need an off-topic government nowadays? if yes, what powers should the president have?" ]

...my nitpick is with "need" and "should", but i can imagine there being a use for it, even if not very clear or immediate. whether that utility is wielded well within our lifespans of activity here, i'm not sure i could say. i could only hope we make it easier if we do deem a quasi-roleplay government to be our best way to achieve that ^^;; i'll likely start with appealing to what we already have, but leaving changes up to appeal or suggestions by other people
in another universe you just barely made it in the thread :(

i would've voted you
real bro :(
Achromalia
at this point im kind of just relieved x') disappointed but mostly just at myself

i was writing all this for about three hours straight, with screenshots and questions laid out so i could draft effectively when i could get myself to really start

but um, again, that doesnt really matter now;;

well, for posterity im going to just post the rest of what i had!! you may now cry in agony as you plead for an alternate universe that doesn't exist </3 im not sure it was really the best platform in my opinion lol

...

[center][ question #11: do you think gmts should be able to be president? why or why not? ][/center]

again, "should" is probably not how i would address this, but i'm pretty split between my sympathies. disallowing gmt participation is understandable from a self-governance and regulation-against-detached-aristocratic-interference position, but i would also imagine the ability to enforce that self-governance and self-defense/self-preservation is not very realistic beyond appealing to gmts and hoping they relent. i could be open to corne's position on this, not really from the same sentimentality beyond understang that it's possible for a moderator to not be entirely tyrannical in practice, but open nonetheless :>

i'm vaguely curious if any of this happens to be a more personal thing, and i'm curious what would have happened if i were a moderator appealing to become the president of off-topic, with the responses people have made in my favor

...i don't know, i would defer to democracy and deliberation for this, i don't currently have any strong principles on hand regarding this

[center][ question #12: what is your opinion on patatitta's presidency, from their behavior to their administrative decisions? ][/center]

"presidency" could encompass a few things here...

personality-wise, temperamentally, patatitta was adequate ^^ not necessarily the friendliest in subjective appearance, with priorities that make it a bit difficult to view this presidential administration as much of anything more than an internalized legislative one while being something of a coarse but reasonable/respectable figure in the community

i haven't paid attention to all of the policies he applied or institutions he maintained but am generally complacent with them, nothing more and nothing less. i'm not sure i'm content, because something here feels empty... and identifying that was difficult until i landed on "art/culture", which seemed to be something that was left to the community to supply for itself, which, with no organization or encouragement, was mostly unproductive in my loose opinion

that's probably part of why i was bored, and why i intended to run for presidency x')

[center][ question #13: what are your goals for roleplay in off-topic? ][/center]

not compulsory goals, exactly, but i would like to encourage it from a point of personal interest outside government. i would likely try to record what exists and attempt to add something of my own if i find the time :>

[center][ question #15: do you think the government's group chat should be public? would it be motivated by political transparency? ][/center]

copypasting from another drafted message...

"we could also, for transparency, indicate whether a given moderator was receptive to having their thoughts publicized or represented for public opinion, or whether they believe it is within users' best interests to keep it private, among other things", except we may apply this to the government

...except again, i'm not sure i would describe it as a should so much as it would be an offer

[center][ question #16: should we have more gmts dedicated to off-topic? should corne2plum3 quit? ][/center]

i think it'd be useful if we had gmts who are familiar with off-topic users and internal cultures. but should we have more of them as they are? i lean toward a no on that

for corne, i'm... not really very opinionated on that. your choices and presence can be controversial, but i'm not sure i would ask you to quit. if anything, that should be up to you, and although i worry more for your own mental wellbeing, i trust you to know when you've reached your limits. i can only hope you can grow along with us and have a moment to understand people a little better :>

...

and that was all i have as of the time of writing

no idea whats going wrong w the bbcode :'( im tired i need to sleep and pack and urghhhhhh let me disappear forever
Polyspora
let achro in!!!!
Achromalia
also wouldnt it be funny if we had a function of popular-vote override

...no at this point im grasping for straws i dont even completely want x'p

Achromalia wrote:

hi so instead of me answering questions how about i give you art to buy your vote and to stall until any questions are answered :)

(/joking, im acknowledging the rules go unchanged!! but i am lazy so the stalling part is true lol)

quirky off-topic subforum gijinka/mascot draft v1
w/ indecisively mediocre(?) design except that humanoid thing is a thinly veiled [recycled character]

im actually more saddened that this got nothing other than abraker's attention.....

note to self, make the art i care about After the questions i dont care as much about
igorsprite

Achromalia wrote:

also wouldnt it be funny if we had a function of popular-vote override

...no at this point im grasping for straws i dont even completely want x'p

Achromalia wrote:

hi so instead of me answering questions how about i give you art to buy your vote and to stall until any questions are answered :)

(/joking, im acknowledging the rules go unchanged!! but i am lazy so the stalling part is true lol)

quirky off-topic subforum gijinka/mascot draft v1
w/ indecisively mediocre(?) design except that humanoid thing is a thinly veiled [recycled character]

im actually more saddened that this got nothing other than abraker's attention.....

note to self, make the art i care about After the questions i dont care as much about
this flag looks like an LGBT thing
Corne2Plum3
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