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Rule Request : Chainposting & Other Useless Dribble

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Ymir
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Ymir
*Note: A request for a rule change to be seen by GMTs, however feel free to discuss.
*Note 2: The main issue is chainposting, everything else could be just rant.

MAIN ISSUE: Chainposting

Recently, 2 users maliciously chainposted as an act of "revenge" or whatever. Whilst I understand its a joke, lets not let this happen again. Chainposting is the name given to a specific type of spamming on the forums. The term "chainposting" or "chainpost" first appears in General Discussion around 5 months ago, during a discussion regarding quality. Since I'm one who has whined about this specific type of post-farming/spamming variant often, I've decided to give the term a temporary meaning for now, as to ease confusion in discussion and potential implementation:

Chainposting: The act of posting in multiple threads with minimal contribution, with or without the intention of burying other, usually recently made threads.
Note
Chainposting cannot occur on pinned threads, due to a lack of change in bump order.


I REQUEST ANY FORM OF CHAINPOSTING BE PUNISHABLE UNDER RULES OF SPAMMING, AFTER A FIRST WARNING IS ISSUED
(its annoying spam shite)

ISSUE 2: Tradeposting / Alternating / Conversation

Firstly, I have no idea what to call this (in my head I call it alternating but I don't know the actual term), and secondly this is not such a big issue but I'll mention it here anyway.

Threads which consist of two people talking back and forth trading post count should be locked, or should have their trading halted. This doesn't come up often but an example could be the "sing with me thread" that was finally moved to FG after months of 2 people going back and forth (good job GMT!).

I believe rules against this might exist already, but sometimes it isn't enforced.

ISSUE 3: General Post-farming

This may be much more difficult to moderate, therefore I understand why it occurs.

Post-farming has existed for who knows how long, but was made popular by a user known as Stomiks. The main difference between Stomiks and post farmers of today, is that Stomiks never seemed to purposely fill single threads with his own replies, often providing some level of smoothness to his posts. Stomiks was never annoying anyone in this regard (personal experience).

The most annoying practice of 2023/24 post farmers is the act of responding to every single fucking reply on a thread, even when it doesn't involve them. Responses are usually dumbass questions or comments with minimal effort considered to make it look like they actually give a shit about the thread (it's obvious they don't). One of this is fine, now put this on every thread and sometimes recur it multiple times, and we have a bit of an irritating situation.

Am I overreacting? 100%, yes I am.

If we could just ban blatant post-farming under spam, that would be great, but it may not be this simple
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Jangsoodlor
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Jangsoodlor
first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.

But I think punishing "chainposting" in OT! is a bit too much (unless they make more than one thread per approximately a day). Since it's a place for zero braincell contents and random stuffs to begin with.
Karmine
831 posts
Joined November 2015
Karmine

Ymir wrote:

If we could just ban blatant post-farming under spam, that would be great, but it may not be this simple
It is, in fact, that simple.
There are already rules against spamming, especially when done outside of OT, but they're not enforced.

Since most forums have very little activity, spamming (either chainposting/trading) is pretty much the only way to post farm. If spamming actually got people silenced post farming would be almost impossible so there would be no need to do anything about it.

Also yeah, Stomiks was the only one doing it at the time and his posts somewhat added something to the discussion. Now there are multiple people doing it (some on a much larger scale) while contributing nothing to the threads.

Jangsoodlor wrote:

first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.

But I think punishing "chainposting" in OT! is a bit too much (unless they make more than one thread per approximately a day). Since it's a place for zero braincell contents and random stuffs to begin with.
On OT I wouldn't mind chainposting since it's OT as long as it doesn't happen too often.
I very rarely go to page 2, when I do it's either because I was inactive or most likely because someone chainposted.
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Patatitta
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Joined February 2020
Patatitta
that one chainposting thread 2: the nuclear option

I agree with banning chainposting, I disscussed it earlier


for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay


post farming as much as I would like it to get it banned (i'm the #1 post farming hater), I think that rather than banning the practice, you should remove post count on it's entirerity, or at least make it harder to access or in a more obscure place. Just that it isn't below your name, I think if post count wasn't as visible some people wouldn't be as inclined to do it. Also, banning post farming/removing post could would most likely leave every other subforum dead in the water, so you may want to consider that
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Karmine
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Karmine

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
Patatitta
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Joined February 2020
Patatitta

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
idk, that just seems like such a petty issue, just lock those threads or move them or whatever, but outright banning it seems extreme. Chainposting is annoying, post farming by leaving useless posts in every single thread known in human history is annoying, but that?, I dont find it annoying or really something that is big enough to warrant a ban
his everything
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his everything

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
idk, that just seems like such a petty issue, just lock those threads or move them or whatever, but outright banning it seems extreme. Chainposting is annoying, post farming by leaving useless posts in every single thread known in human history is annoying, but that?, I dont find it annoying or really something that is big enough to warrant a ban
so someone can basically spam every threads in OT with the same message over and over and over again and they won't get any consequences? is it a joke?
Ymir
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Ymir
I think we can all agree spamming the same message is an instant silence. Nobody really does that though.
Patatitta
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Patatitta

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
idk, that just seems like such a petty issue, just lock those threads or move them or whatever, but outright banning it seems extreme. Chainposting is annoying, post farming by leaving useless posts in every single thread known in human history is annoying, but that?, I dont find it annoying or really something that is big enough to warrant a ban
I don't think anyone means we should ban people who do it, but not letting people do it, i.e. locking threads where it happens or silencing/removing posts if the thread is otherwise active.
I don't think we should enforce any specific rule on it tho, just whatever gmt sees fit


Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
idk, that just seems like such a petty issue, just lock those threads or move them or whatever, but outright banning it seems extreme. Chainposting is annoying, post farming by leaving useless posts in every single thread known in human history is annoying, but that?, I dont find it annoying or really something that is big enough to warrant a ban
so someone can basically spam every threads in OT with the same message over and over and over again and they won't get any consequences? is it a joke?
I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
his everything
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his everything

Karmine wrote:

You do that on every forum tf are you on about? Get help.
which is exactly the reason i will stay here, to annoy you even more.
Karmine
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Joined November 2015
Karmine

Ymir wrote:

I think we can all agree spamming the same message is an instant silence. Nobody really does that though.
Variations of "huh", "damn", "oof" and the likes are the same message to me.
his everything
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his everything

Patatitta wrote:

I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
wdym on my side? when did i said that chainposting in OT was a good thing? i do that to prove how ridiculous it is to not have a rule like that here lol
Patatitta
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Patatitta

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
wdym on my side? when did i said that chainposting in OT was a good thing? i do that to prove how ridiculous it is to not have a rule like that here lol
I said ban chainposting, but threads like singing songs can stay, maybe read my post before asuming i'm against you?
his everything
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his everything

Patatitta wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
wdym on my side? when did i said that chainposting in OT was a good thing? i do that to prove how ridiculous it is to not have a rule like that here lol
I said ban chainposting, but threads like singing songs can stay, maybe read my post before asuming i'm against you?
since when singing songs is a OT thread now? it was supposed to be a forum game thread where chainposting is basically allowed
Karmine
831 posts
Joined November 2015
Karmine

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
wdym on my side? when did i said that chainposting in OT was a good thing? i do that to prove how ridiculous it is to not have a rule like that here lol
her everything
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her everything
Damn people be angry abt “small” things nowadays lol.
Reyalp51
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Reyalp51
Oh i get whats happening anaxii wanted to leave ot but he is addicted so instead he is just posting hard enough so he will get a ban. Please have my schizo rats like facts
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Jangsoodlor
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Jangsoodlor

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

for the second thing, honestly I can see situations where only 2 people care about a thread and actually only 2 people talk, even here on OT we have alternating with the character rp threads, I would say that can stay
That happens but you can clearly see there's a discussion going on. Sometimes it's just one useless message after another.
idk, that just seems like such a petty issue, just lock those threads or move them or whatever, but outright banning it seems extreme. Chainposting is annoying, post farming by leaving useless posts in every single thread known in human history is annoying, but that?, I dont find it annoying or really something that is big enough to warrant a ban
so someone can basically spam every threads in OT with the same message over and over and over again and they won't get any consequences? is it a joke?
That's literally the point of OT! imo. Since it's a place that keeps non-sensical stuffs away from a more "serious" discussions (wheter osu! related or not).
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Patatitta
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Patatitta

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I'm literally on your side on this one ??????????????????????????????????
wdym on my side? when did i said that chainposting in OT was a good thing? i do that to prove how ridiculous it is to not have a rule like that here lol
I said ban chainposting, but threads like singing songs can stay, maybe read my post before asuming i'm against you?
since when singing songs is a OT thread now? it was supposed to be a forum game thread where chainposting is basically allowed
holy fucking shit actually read the conversation

There were 3 issues brought up

Chainposting (on OT)
"alternating" (outside OT mainly) (This means stuff like that forum game, which has not always been in forum games, but was in the music subforum earlier, and it has like 1K posts yet 950 comes from only two persons)
post farming (outside OT for obvious reasons)



I agree with banning chainposting
I disagree with banning alternating (which was what I was saying right now)
I have some opinions about how to deal with post farming
Cerno
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Cerno
Reyalp51
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Reyalp51
No one asked but heres what i think
i dont really care i think its funny but if people want it gone then sure
Hydreigon
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Hydreigon

Cerno wrote:

Serraionga
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Serraionga

Hydreigon wrote:

Cerno wrote:

Nuuskamuikkunen
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Nuuskamuikkunen

Jangsoodlor wrote:

first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.
Literally every thread I make uses notice
Karmine
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Joined November 2015
Karmine

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.
Literally every thread I make uses notice
But you don't make many.
Dementedduck
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Dementedduck
Remove their fingers irl
Nuuskamuikkunen
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Nuuskamuikkunen

Karmine wrote:

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.
Literally every thread I make uses notice
But you don't make many.
True.
I am those that overthinks what he is going to post then he forgets or leaves unfinished stuff.
Karmine
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Joined November 2015
Karmine

Dementedduck wrote:

Remove their fingers irl
#Dementedduck2024

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Nuuskamuikkunen wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

first time seeing someone using [/notice] in ages.
Literally every thread I make uses notice
But you don't make many.
True.
I am those that overthinks what he is going to post then he forgets or leaves unfinished stuff.
My threads are just parody of other threads :(
Corne2Plum3
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Sent this thread to others GMT so maybe it will end up with something official but I agree that chainposting that does not add to the conversation such as reactions should be considered as spam, and so, should also apply in OT imo, but I think it's hard to tell when it's relevant or not here...
B0ii
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B0ii
The only reason why (i think) chainposting exists is either because people think they are doing something good for the forum by "reviving" it. Or because they are just trying to boost a virtual number that they only have for the sake of having bragging rights.
Dementedjet
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Dementedjet
Oh boy I'm boutta fix this world with my response💯(ofc not)



So, to a certain degree I agree that all those things can be annoying or unpleasant for some thread creators if their thread got moved to the second page during the 'post tsunami' of some user. Yknow, postfarming - booooo, we don't like that

Buuuuut, for me the question comes down to this: how should we treat OT or just forums in general?

This may be question with a different answer for everybody so it could be a bit tough.

If we should treat them as nothing serious, just a place to chit-chat without any really serious stuff we might try to enforce the rules against all those problems, but not too seriously. Just like warnings on a police stop

If we should treat them more seriously, like a place to socialize, create impressive 'piece-of-art' threads like Behrauder did, and as a feature on the osu website that might come in handy to some users, the rules against the problems should've been implemented a while ago, but whatever.

And if it's somewhere in-between, well... I don't know!

It all comes down to how big on a scale those problems are to a person, whether it's a discord osu mod that spends most of his time in osu and it's website, or just some generic dweller that doesn't really care about stuff that is happening here


Disclaimer: it's my opinion, not a universal solution
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Blushing
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Blushing
Legend:
- alternating - This is almost always going to mean they are alternating their conversation without it being sensical or on topic. If I mention this it is almost always the negative and meaningless form and not the ok version.
- post farming - simply what it is, posting just to post and gain another +1 to your farm count.
- chain posting - posting in forums that allow +1 to your post count and doing it on all posts in that subforum

(tl;dr:) What I believe should be allowed:

Allowed:
- Chainposting, if genuinely helping or staying on topic. (I, myself, cannot be a hypocrite).
- Alternating, if the conversation is genuinely back and forth and the posts are of good substance. Not just one liners or "nope", "yep", "lol". Also, the back and forth has to be between more than 2 members.

Not Allowed:
- Chainposting every thread. There is no reason you need to respond to 15 threads in G&R on an hour basis. Touch grass.
- Alternating. Simply take it to DMs, if you want to have a conversation about something on the forums, between 2 people, just take it to DMs.
- Post farming. Seek attention elsewhere.
- Trying to help and you know nothing of the topic you are talking about. If you no naught, ask people who might know how to help, its better than a 10 post thread of just incorrect jargon and has actually just lead the OG poster astray.

1. The main issue I have with the (not so far away topic of post count farming) chainposting, alternating, and other posts is that it is artificially increasing your "reputation" as a poster. There is some stigma that users with a higher post count can be relied upon for accurate answers or to not lead users astray. This is an archaic belief, but it is a way to measure someone's understanding of the forums and its workings on the internet where we cant always assume someone knows what they are talking about.

2. While the easiest fix is to remove post count on all forums, that is not a good resolution. The good resolution is to try and figure out why the culprits of chainposting, alternating, and post farming are doing what they are doing, or to come up with harsh and forced resolutions so that the poster cannot do so again. There is no delusion. The people farm posting, chain posting, or alternating are doing this for some reason, whether it be for fun, for the drama/limelight they get from doing such acts, or for their own reasons.

3. I think that instead of being complacent, more of us that notice these acts just need to send in a report. We are not the makers or the deciders of what happens after the report is sent. If a report is never made then how are the GMT to know that potential rule breaking is happening?

If OT, of all places, is fed up with these acts then it can be inferred that the greater osu! community doesn't exactly want this behavior as well.
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