yk the only reason gen 8 came to be is because the first few member in gen 8 for a short period of time were like a family, not really a generation.

Stomiks wrote:

Karmine wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Facts

Gen 9 may become the talent generation, with people like octowave and the few contests we created if we keep doing stuff like that we will be remembered for sharing our different skills

I'm talentless

Nah your singing was good

Karmine wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Facts

Gen 9 may become the talent generation, with people like octowave and the few contests we created if we keep doing stuff like that we will be remembered for sharing our different skills

Also lmao at the guy asking for denizenship even though everything he's known for is being exiled

Man I need to find something I'm good at then

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Gen 7 is less gay than gen 8

Isn't Karmine the only gen 9 member right now?

Felixland wrote:

Isn't Karmine the only gen 9 member right now?

yes

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Gen 7 is less gay than gen 8

the majority of the gayness in gen 8 is carried by danny

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Gen 7 is less gay than gen 8

I said statistically by number of gay dudes.

eblf2013 wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Gay Generation!!

Gen 7 statistically is the gayest one.

NVM Gen 9 is comprised of only one dude and it's a gay one, so, technically, this is the gayest generation.

Gen 7 is less gay than gen 8

I said statistically by number of gay dudes.

Me - Gay
Lights - Lesbian and Trans.
Zel - Gay
JAB - Gay
z0z - Gay (I think)
DragonSlayer96 - Gay (or Bi? idk)
Jonarwhal - Gay
Phantonym - Bi (?

That list is so gay.

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

could host dtb and allow people use relax if that sounds better, I like ctb the most and it's the only mode rn I would go through the effort to host something

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

could host dtb and allow people use relax if that sounds better, I like ctb the most and it's the only mode rn I would go through the effort to host something

I would participate in ctb tbh, I played it a bit a long time ago, wouldn't hurt to get back to it, even for just a few days

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

could host dtb and allow people use relax if that sounds better, I like ctb the most and it's the only mode rn I would go through the effort to host something

I would participate in ctb tbh, I played it a bit a long time ago, wouldn't hurt to get back to it, even for just a few days

would be cooler for me to organize, there really aren't that many dtb maps

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

could host dtb and allow people use relax if that sounds better, I like ctb the most and it's the only mode rn I would go through the effort to host something

I would participate in ctb tbh, I played it a bit a long time ago, wouldn't hurt to get back to it, even for just a few days

would be cooler for me to organize, there really aren't that many dtb maps

I can play dtb whatever this means

Polyspora wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Contributing something doesn’t mean jack shit, you literally just have to be active for 8 months. Half of gen 8 was lazy fuck that contributed barely anything to the forums.

Even Karmine was being heavily debated upon on whether or not be chosen for denizen since he didn’t do much.

hope gen 9 can be better than gen 8 and bring some life to this shit

Gen 9 is horny generation

nah gen 8 was the horny one, I hope we can get the "tourney generation" title or the "casual generation" one

I'm waiting for a catch tournament.

I can try hosting one if you want to, might be better to host it as a battle royale or something, idk if that many people will be interested in catch, and battle royale with no bracket and progressing difficulty in maps would give the best odds to everyone

Clicking circles > catching fruits
Also kids who rush higher diffs would be bad at low SR maps so it would be balanced even for those who don't usually play std

could host dtb and allow people use relax if that sounds better, I like ctb the most and it's the only mode rn I would go through the effort to host something

I would participate in ctb tbh, I played it a bit a long time ago, wouldn't hurt to get back to it, even for just a few days

would be cooler for me to organize, there really aren't that many dtb maps

I can play dtb whatever this means

dodge the beat, the problem is what I stated before, there are very few people, and if like more than 5 people sign up I might run out

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

Karmine wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

I don't get being active for 8 months then just leaving.

Karmine wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

thats why the denizification process should be more arbitrary, something that goes like this: we know you, we like you and you're not a weirdo so we are going to officialize your presence here by putting your profile in this little runestone.

the 8 months thing is just a call for attention whores to appear here and have their name on something that doesnt mean shit for them

I feel people that do that would probably that they want to quit by month 6 but they stick around 2 months more so they can have their name be recognised if I had to guess

Patatitta wrote:

I feel people that do that would probably that they want to quit by month 6 but they stick around 2 months more so they can have their name be recognised if I had to guess

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

thats why the denizification process should be more arbitrary, something that goes like this: we know you, we like you and you're not a weirdo so we are going to officialize your presence here by putting your profile in this little runestone.

the 8 months thing is just a call for attention whores to appear here and have their name on something that doesnt mean shit for them

But even after reaching 8 month not everyone gets it I think, they still have to be accepted by the government.

Karmine wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I feel people that do that would probably that they want to quit by month 6 but they stick around 2 months more so they can have their name be recognised if I had to guess

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

thats why the denizification process should be more arbitrary, something that goes like this: we know you, we like you and you're not a weirdo so we are going to officialize your presence here by putting your profile in this little runestone.

the 8 months thing is just a call for attention whores to appear here and have their name on something that doesnt mean shit for them

But even after reaching 8 month not everyone gets it I think, they still have to be accepted by the government.

Yeah

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Karmine wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

Too many, but hopefully most of them just give up after a month or 2

imagine being active for 8 months just to have your profile picture and username on a thread and then leave

Some people have no life and want internet clout more than anything. Just take a look at reddit.

thats why the denizification process should be more arbitrary, something that goes like this: we know you, we like you and you're not a weirdo so we are going to officialize your presence here by putting your profile in this little runestone.

the 8 months thing is just a call for attention whores to appear here and have their name on something that doesnt mean shit for them

I think they do that so that they make sure denizens are dedicated. Or just to lower the amount of them to make it more special.

The denizen process has been talked about and argued about a lot, the reason why the whole contribution = denizen thing isn’t important as the 8 month activity is because the old fags wanna keep denizen more as a symbol of “hey I was here”.

Also, many people believe that by forcing quality contributions into the requirement would make the whole denizen system into a elitist system.

I personally don’t like this type of loose denizen system as I have once made suggest to change the denizenship process however I probably need to wait for all the gen 6 denizens to leave before making any change.

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

ShinRun wrote:

The denizen process has been talked about and argued about a lot, the reason why the whole contribution = denizen thing isn’t important as the 8 month activity is because the old fags wanna keep denizen more as a symbol of “hey I was here”.

Also, many people believe that by forcing quality contributions into the requirement would make the whole denizen system into a elitist system.

I personally don’t like this type of loose denizen system as I have once made suggest to change the denizenship process however I probably need to wait for all the gen 6 denizens to leave before making any change.

I wonder what are your ideas exactly.

I’m too lazy to look for the thread but I’m sure you can find the thread if you search hard enough

The first lesson some grannies taught me is to only have fun and enjoy.

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

coughFarfocelecough


the only reason he even became denizen is becuz Penguin wasnt paying attention when accepting him into denizenship

Cerno wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

I wonder how many people are active just to get denizen and then disappear.

coughFarfocelecough


the only reason he even became denizen is becuz Penguin wasnt paying attention when accepting him into denizenship

yeah lmao. It's been months since he last posted on OT. The only place he recently appears in is shin's Post for Gold Game FG thread.

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen?

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

Fair enough. Waiting 8 months then being approved by parliament members is a good system.

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

I feel like on top of the 8 month requirement, there should be something else, at least from here on out.

I personally liked ShinRun's checklist method (though there can be improvements).
This is all just to be considered as a candidate for Denizenship, the real approval comes from the government. Think of it like a minimum requirements kind of thing, you don't have to be amazing, but OT should know you're here and you've made contributions.

Of course, if a checklist is decided upon, serious work should go into making sure its contents are agreed upon by a large majority of OT users.



Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

ghoulybits wrote:

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it
is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
and
will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

people already complain about not being denizens so wouldnt change much

ghoulybits wrote:

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer

the thing I'm trying to say is that it doesnt needs to be 1 or 0, we dont need a checkmark list to be a denizen, we're not robots and we sure are not doing missions on a videogame. If the majority of the current denizens have a positive memory of an user he should be good enough to be considered a denizen. we can also award the denizen title only to users that have already been gone, this would fix the "waiting to be a denizen" problem and it would be much easier to decide if such person "did enough" to become part of OT history, because his/her path here has already ended.

ghoulybits wrote:

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

I think everyone who posted here have contributed to OT in some way (even the shitposts or dumb questions), being a denizen shouldnt be a goal but a consequence, contributing to OT doesn't resume itself on good threads or how much effort such player has put on his posts, but how much he integrated himself in this community. Someone who just come here and posts the best thread we've ever seen in our lifes shouldnt be considered a denizen because we dont even know him, he's just a "talented" dude. Now the guy who stick around and is friendly to everyone should 100% be part of us, because that guy added more history and spirit to OT than the first one.

ghoulybits wrote:

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

the system I'm proposing basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".




edit: I said we because accordingly to this bullshit system you guys have right now I will inevitably become a denizen in 3 months with the rights to claim this title even if some of you dont even know who I am

-Remi wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

I feel like on top of the 8 month requirement, there should be something else, at least from here on out.

I personally liked ShinRun's checklist method (though there can be improvements).
This is all just to be considered as a candidate for Denizenship, the real approval comes from the government. Think of it like a minimum requirements kind of thing, you don't have to be amazing, but OT should know you're here and you've made contributions.

Of course, if a checklist is decided upon, serious work should go into making sure its contents are agreed upon by a large majority of OT users.



Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

The issue with a checklist is that it's essentially something people will speedrun without actually putting any thought into it. I would rather people figure out on their own what they can personally offer to OT than just follow a list word by word and then expect to be nominated for and subsequently given denizenship.

Also, there's already a huge list of potential denizen candidates in the government server so it'd feel kinda redundant/like it's an extra step that isn't needed

-Remi wrote:

Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

this system is actually used on the yearly ot presidential election

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

why dont we start doing it to normal denizens? "hall of fame" sounds pretty pretentious and will bring back the "competition" for who makes the best thread and how much they need to do to become a denizen

Felixland wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen?

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

Fair enough. Waiting 8 months then being approved by parliament members is a good system.

And this is coming from someone who still has to wait another 7 months.

My thoughts on it

@Ghouly, there is cons in everything and to fix it you need to get another rule

If the only requirement is 8months then people will just post every once in a while and become denzin. To prevent that there is post count of 10pages. But it also have cons, people can just shitpost and get 10pages. To prevent that, there is a "contribution" rule.

Contribution isnt only to make a good thread, it can be a behavior etc.

Parliament is to decide is the contribution enough or not, and if they are selecting denzin based on time then you broke the rule. -100000 social point.


And with the @Shinruin idea

The idea is overall good but the thing is, People will only be here just to become denzin and more likely stop posting after they become one. Including denzin nominees will increase it more. People should be here to spend time with the community, not to become a denzin.


I am new to OT! but my idea would be to keep the 8months of time and increase the post count to at least 20pages(30pages recommended) having 500post does sound lot but compare to 8months its like posting 2 post per day.
'Contribution' shouldnt be about making a good thread or spending a big ass time on a thread. It should be about what your impact on OT!, You dont have to be in roleplay but as impact as a person. If someone saw your name, they know who you are and how you are. For example- Cerno, he done nothing in irl and in OT! but still he is denzin and citizens know him


how tf it took me 40mins to write this shit

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

why dont we start doing it to normal denizens? "hall of fame" sounds pretty pretentious and will bring back the "competition" for who makes the best thread

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

ShinRun wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

why dont we start doing it to normal denizens? "hall of fame" sounds pretty pretentious and will bring back the "competition" for who makes the best thread

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

Great point. This isn't some foundation with thousands of people in it. This is an underground club full of people who like each other in the OT forums. Being a denizen doesn't bring you any advantages anyways.

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

I think part of this questions you can find the answer in here, I'll just answer what you cant find there.

you can consider the user inactive when he clearly lost interest in the subforum (not posting for a long time [+-3 months if you want numbers] and not interacting with the community anymore) at the moment we put his name on the generation map he'll be considered a denizen for all his participation on OT. If he ever comes back he'll be considered something like the osu!alumni that osu! have, he'll still be a denizen for what he did in the past and not for what he'll do in the future.

I dont understand where this elitist mindset is coming from since I literally said we're going to add the ones who stick to us more and not the ones who did more.

There is no problem with too many people in the first generations since we're in constant development, the denizen admission system that worked in the past is not the optimal way anymore, since osu! has grown a lot as a game and community. the generation map and the ot!chronicles are nothing more than a history book, marking the insanities, misadventures and projects OT has seen since the beggining. its not our right to change the past and what they did, but we cant limit ourselves to an outdated system because "there is going to be too many people"... so let it be, they were the foundation and now we're here to polish and make what they created work in this day and age.

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

I think part of this questions you can find the answer in here, I'll just answer what you cant find there.

you can consider the user inactive when he clearly lost interest in the subforum (not posting for a long time [+-3 months if you want numbers] and not interacting with the community anymore) at the moment we put his name on the generation map he'll be considered a denizen for all his participation on OT. If he ever comes back he'll be considered something like the osu!alumni that osu! have, he'll still be a denizen for what he did in the past and not for what he'll do in the future.

I dont understand where this elitist mindset is coming from since I literally said we're going to add the ones who stick to us more and not the ones who did more.

There is no problem with too many people in the first generations since we're in constant development, the denizen admission system that worked in the past is not the optimal way anymore, since osu! has grown a lot as a game and community. the generation map and the ot!chronicles are nothing more than a history book, marking the insanities, misadventures and projects OT has seen since the beggining. its not our right to change the past and what they did, but we cant limit ourselves to an outdated system because "there is going to be too many people"... so let it be, they were the foundation and now we're here to polish and make what they created work in this day and age.

Preach!

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

I think part of this questions you can find the answer in here, I'll just answer what you cant find there.

you can consider the user inactive when he clearly lost interest in the subforum (not posting for a long time [+-3 months if you want numbers] and not interacting with the community anymore) at the moment we put his name on the generation map he'll be considered a denizen for all his participation on OT. If he ever comes back he'll be considered something like the osu!alumni that osu! have, he'll still be a denizen for what he did in the past and not for what he'll do in the future.

I dont understand where this elitist mindset is coming from since I literally said we're going to add the ones who stick to us more and not the ones who did more.

There is no problem with too many people in the first generations since we're in constant development, the denizen admission system that worked in the past is not the optimal way anymore, since osu! has grown a lot as a game and community. the generation map and the ot!chronicles are nothing more than a history book, marking the insanities, misadventures and projects OT has seen since the beggining. its not our right to change the past and what they did, but we cant limit ourselves to an outdated system because "there is going to be too many people"... so let it be, they were the foundation and now we're here to polish and make what they created work in this day and age.

Preach!

lol its one of those nights where inspiration comes from nowhere and I just wanted to clarify my point, sorry if it was somewhat a burden to read

Cerno wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

this system is actually used on the yearly ot presidential election

Yes, it would work well for denizenship too imo.

Unless someone is so shit OT would be better off without them pretty much anyone could become denizen given enough time, without requiring a specific amount of time/contribution (that no one can agree on). All there would be to decide is how much approval is needed (50%? 80%?), but I think it would be much easier to decide that.

There could be a vote for organized once in a while with candidates proposed by the government or current denizens.

It wouldn't be too hard to put in place (considering it's already been done) and would fix the issue of time/contribution by having everyone's opinion on a case by case basis.

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

a drama can change OT, but the person might het nuked out of OT, if you gave denicen to everyone else to contrubuted your sual stuff, then you would be missing half the story if what really happened there, the denizen list would not be representative of the people who where active por importnat during that generation

Stomiks wrote:

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users.

Bit of a stretch, I doubt anybody is doing it for fame, considering osu! forums don't get millions of active users anyway, especially OT.

If they are, guess they are after a really small amount (?)
I guess people will do anything

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

-Remi wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users.

Bit of a stretch, I doubt anybody is doing it for fame, considering osu! forums don't get millions of active users anyway, especially OT.

If they are, guess they are after a really small amount (?)
I guess people will do anything

I meant people who tried to become a denizen, like that one indian guy and many others. People would do anything for a hint of clout.

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Personally I agree with you, some level of decided quality in threads should be a considered factor when choosing a denizen. It can be opinion based, it doesn't really matter, as long as people can't just write half assed responses and low tier posts without absorbing and participating in OT's culture itself, become a denizen, then disappear.

I'm not a denizen so I probably have less of a say on what goes on in that department, but that's just my opinion on it as if I was one.

denizen: a person admitted to residence in a foreign country
foreign country: Off-Topic
it literally means that you now participate in a community, just that.

thats why I brought up the "stick with us x post good " idea, you dont need to be good, you just need to be there

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Read my ealier post, that on itself is a problem, you aren't doing it for OT, you're doing it for yourself, can a community acknowledge and give prestige for someone who doesn't give that same respect back?

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Read my ealier post, that on itself is a problem, you aren't doing it for OT, you're doing it for yourself, can a community acknowledge and give prestige for someone who doesn't give that same respect back?

That's why I propose that current denizens could vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket. The community has a choice in which bracket denizens deserve to be in. If the community feels like a future denizen deserves to be put into a lower bracket despite their efforts being good enough for the higher ones, then they can do just that.

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

Patatitta is the wholesome manga lover potato.

We probably just gotta wait til the next election

Assassinate penguin

ShinRun wrote:

We probably just gotta wait til the next election

how does this election thing work?

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

We probably just gotta wait til the next election

how does this election thing work?

Here’s this year’s election thread, it’s separated into different phases but the thread pretty much explains the gist of it

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

maybe I'll run for president this year
but like fr this time

ShinRun has my vote

ShinRun wrote:

maybe I'll run for president this year
but like fr this time

i still stan for calvin

I'll try it too, cant see a better way to implement the new denizenship idea

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Now for my delayed reaction: AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

It is, and I'm forced to win it 😢

Felixland wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

It is, and I'm forced to win it 😢

Haha you're infertile now

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

It is, and I'm forced to win it 😢

Haha you're infertile now

Shut up!

Felixland wrote:

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Now for my delayed reaction: AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Speaking of which, how long has AH*14 not been here?

YyottaCat wrote:

Felixland wrote:

-

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Now for my delayed reaction: AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Speaking of which, how long has AH*14 not been here?

iirc he did emerge outta no where like a few month ago or smth

Here are the people on this list that I’ve seen (and perhaps talked to):

Gen 1: RemmyX25

Gen 2: Ephemeral, silmarilen, Flanster, Sakura

Gen 3: ColdTooth, GSG95, jaaakb

Gen 4: abraker, Meah, levesterz, KatouMegumi, Ashton (still banned lol), Serraionga, kai99

Gen 5: -

Gen 6: Achromalia, Penguin, TeeArctic1, Westonini, Aiseca, pentaqola, Tad Fibonacci, samX500

Gen 7-: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, eblf2013, Lights, Zelzatter Zero, and everyone onwards.

YyottaCat wrote:

Here are the people on this list that I’ve seen (and perhaps talked to):

Gen 1: RemmyX25

Gen 2: Ephemeral, silmarilen, Flanster, Sakura

Gen 3: ColdTooth, GSG95, jaaakb

Gen 4: abraker, Meah, levesterz, KatouMegumi, Ashton (still banned lol), Serraionga, kai99

Gen 5: -

Gen 6: Achromalia, Penguin, TeeArctic1, Westonini, Aiseca, pentaqola, Tad Fibonacci, samX500

Gen 7-: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, eblf2013, Lights, Zelzatter Zero, and everyone onwards.

Nice

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym, enetro also did return for a good while like last year

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Bruh I don’t need you to tell me that.

I've seen everyone on gen 8 and most of gen 7, only a few from former gens though. Not many stick for a long time.

Ohh kermine, didn't saw you in a while

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Yyotta's been here for way over a year, I think he'd know

Manishh wrote:

Ohh kermine, didn't saw you in a while

I post daily

And I have a family crisis right now and my internet has been disabled (actually it's been the case since like two weeks...). That's why I tend to be mostly inactive and why I can only post at frikin school..(;_;)

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

And I have a family crisis right now and my internet has been disabled (actually it's been the case since like two weeks...). That's why I tend to be mostly inactive and why I can only post at frikin school..(;_;)

I think you're in the wrong thread buddy.

abraker wrote:

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

honestly I dont think I contributed anything to OT, I could probably have never posted and OT would be the exact same

it's just, the current concept of contributing is by making high effort threads, and I just dont like the metas we're in, I dont want to make appreciation threads or churches or anything, I dont want to take part in the padoru war or attack furries

I just chill out and share what I enjoy, but the things I share, no one else here really thinks about it, I would like to post about my mangas and to have debates about them, but people would not care, I can host a ctb tournament, but no one would participate, maybe even a tetris one, but the result would probably be the same, I've sometimes posted threads without anyone really caring about it, but for the cooler stuff I would need user interaction I just dont have access too

i'm not really bothered by this really, forums are a chill way to communicate and talk to people, it feels more relaxing and less demanding than something like discord, that's the reason why I really use this

another reason I have to talk in the forums is pretty selfish, I wish that people that look at my profile years after I quit, can get an idea of how I am as a person by looking at my post history, which is something I think I have archived already

I've already stated before I dont feel like I dont form part of this community, I made a thread about it long ago, I'll admit it's kind of a shame not being able to contribute or really be anyone important, but I cant really blame anyone for it other than myself, at the end of my days, my decisions in here are the one that made me feel that way

If you dont have anything to say about me, then it's fair, just dont make me a denizen, I dont want you to rush adding someone who you dont feel really has done much to a generation that is yet to be defined

still, the rest of OT should probably evaluate what this community really means to then and come to a conclusion what a denizen should really be, instead of throwing out random solutions to arbitrary problems

-Remi wrote:

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Yyotta's been here for way over a year, I think he'd know

It’s been over two years now.

BTW it’s “she”. Pronouns are quite a deal these days.

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

honestly I dont think I contributed anything to OT, I could probably have never posted and OT would be the exact same

it's just, the current concept of contributing is by making high effort threads, and I just dont like the metas we're in, I dont want to make appreciation threads or churches or anything, I dont want to take part in the padoru war or attack furries

I just chill out and share what I enjoy, but the things I share, no one else here really thinks about it, I would like to post about my mangas and to have debates about them, but people would not care, I can host a ctb tournament, but no one would participate, maybe even a tetris one, but the result would probably be the same, I've sometimes posted threads without anyone really caring about it, but for the cooler stuff I would need user interaction I just dont have access too

i'm not really bothered by this really, forums are a chill way to communicate and talk to people, it feels more relaxing and less demanding than something like discord, that's the reason why I really use this

another reason I have to talk in the forums is pretty selfish, I wish that people that look at my profile years after I quit, can get an idea of how I am as a person by looking at my post history, which is something I think I have archived already

I've already stated before I dont feel like I dont form part of this community, I made a thread about it long ago, I'll admit it's kind of a shame not being able to contribute or really be anyone important, but I cant really blame anyone for it other than myself, at the end of my days, my decisions in here are the one that made me feel that way

If you dont have anything to say about me, then it's fair, just dont make me a denizen, I dont want you to rush adding someone who you dont feel really has done much to a generation that is yet to be defined

still, the rest of OT should probably evaluate what this community really means to then and come to a conclusion what a denizen should really be, instead of throwing out random solutions to arbitrary problems

I'm not a denizen, but I think you should.