Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen?

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

ghoulybits wrote:

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it
is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
and
will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

ghoulybits wrote:

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer

ghoulybits wrote:

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

ghoulybits wrote:

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

-Remi wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

I feel like on top of the 8 month requirement, there should be something else, at least from here on out.

I personally liked ShinRun's checklist method (though there can be improvements).
This is all just to be considered as a candidate for Denizenship, the real approval comes from the government. Think of it like a minimum requirements kind of thing, you don't have to be amazing, but OT should know you're here and you've made contributions.

Of course, if a checklist is decided upon, serious work should go into making sure its contents are agreed upon by a large majority of OT users.



Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

-Remi wrote:

Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

Felixland wrote:

ghoulybits wrote:

Karmine wrote:

The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).

Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.

The issue with a contribution-based system is that it

1. is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
   and
2. will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen

It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen?

In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.

Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.

TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads

Fair enough. Waiting 8 months then being approved by parliament members is a good system.

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

why dont we start doing it to normal denizens? "hall of fame" sounds pretty pretentious and will bring back the "competition" for who makes the best thread

ShinRun wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

the system I'm proposing should basically eliminates this pressure, since no one will have the rights to claim their denizenship, only the worthy will become denizens after their "death".

That actually sounds cool, like a memorial for fallen warriors.

Yk I actually proposed that option to the government a month back. I basically said to create a separate group like a hall of fame and only denizen who have actually done shit and been inactive for a while can be elected into it.

why dont we start doing it to normal denizens? "hall of fame" sounds pretty pretentious and will bring back the "competition" for who makes the best thread

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

I think part of this questions you can find the answer in here, I'll just answer what you cant find there.

you can consider the user inactive when he clearly lost interest in the subforum (not posting for a long time [+-3 months if you want numbers] and not interacting with the community anymore) at the moment we put his name on the generation map he'll be considered a denizen for all his participation on OT. If he ever comes back he'll be considered something like the osu!alumni that osu! have, he'll still be a denizen for what he did in the past and not for what he'll do in the future.

I dont understand where this elitist mindset is coming from since I literally said we're going to add the ones who stick to us more and not the ones who did more.

There is no problem with too many people in the first generations since we're in constant development, the denizen admission system that worked in the past is not the optimal way anymore, since osu! has grown a lot as a game and community. the generation map and the ot!chronicles are nothing more than a history book, marking the insanities, misadventures and projects OT has seen since the beggining. its not our right to change the past and what they did, but we cant limit ourselves to an outdated system because "there is going to be too many people"... so let it be, they were the foundation and now we're here to polish and make what they created work in this day and age.

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Ok so the parliament brought up three cons about my proposal
1 - What would be considered enough contribution and how long would the inactivity requirement be as some user might come back after a year or two of inactivity
2 - Once again, the elitist mindset
3 - There would simply be way too many people especially in the first few gen as they are the OT dwellers who laid the foundation for what we have now

I think part of this questions you can find the answer in here, I'll just answer what you cant find there.

you can consider the user inactive when he clearly lost interest in the subforum (not posting for a long time [+-3 months if you want numbers] and not interacting with the community anymore) at the moment we put his name on the generation map he'll be considered a denizen for all his participation on OT. If he ever comes back he'll be considered something like the osu!alumni that osu! have, he'll still be a denizen for what he did in the past and not for what he'll do in the future.

I dont understand where this elitist mindset is coming from since I literally said we're going to add the ones who stick to us more and not the ones who did more.

There is no problem with too many people in the first generations since we're in constant development, the denizen admission system that worked in the past is not the optimal way anymore, since osu! has grown a lot as a game and community. the generation map and the ot!chronicles are nothing more than a history book, marking the insanities, misadventures and projects OT has seen since the beggining. its not our right to change the past and what they did, but we cant limit ourselves to an outdated system because "there is going to be too many people"... so let it be, they were the foundation and now we're here to polish and make what they created work in this day and age.

Preach!

Cerno wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)

this system is actually used on the yearly ot presidential election

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

Stomiks wrote:

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users.

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

-Remi wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users.

Bit of a stretch, I doubt anybody is doing it for fame, considering osu! forums don't get millions of active users anyway, especially OT.

If they are, guess they are after a really small amount (?)
I guess people will do anything

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Patatitta wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

quote

Stomiks wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

I think this is really a problem of definition of what a denizen means, if it means someone to has been active in ot, current system is fine, but if we instead take it into someone who has left a big impact then we have a problem

basicamint it on contrubiunton is a weird thing, as someone could be considered to be very impactful on OT by just being absolutely awful and being exiled, while someone who just does thsi cool threads from time to time and doesn't really doesnt change anything in the long run would be totally accepted

In the current age we're in the denizen tag does not offer you any value, it kets you a "you were here" pin and that's it, only real value i've seen in it was to vote in the elections and honestly I haven't really seen any changes in ot coming from parlament or so, and most ot focused threads like the song contests or the interviuwus really do not require it at all, which I think is totally fine

making it a more complex system would only increase the competition there is for it, not reduce it, the fact it's harder to get would only incraese their aparent value, even if the end product is the exact same, even if people start pushing for the highest quality thread to gain denizen, would that really even be a good a thing?

If you're going out of your way to gain denizen, those threads would be made out of obligation, not because a love to OT, can you really call a denizen someone who doesn't care about OT and only cares about their own status on it?

we need to define what being a denizen really means befoer we can disscuss any alternative models I feel like

I agree as well.

What does it mean to be a denizen? Does it mean that you'd just posted continously for 8 months? Does it mean that you'd contributed to OT in a big way? There needs to be a concrete defintion of the term before we could make rules for it or else we won't really get anywhere imo.

Most people view it as a way to get clout, to be eternally engraved on a forum with millions of active users. Looking at that way, being a denizen really feels you were just here for that title, a "hey I existed" posted on this thread.

I personally think what it means to be a denizen is to be "a contributor to OT." It means getting involved with people, making threads, making friends here and just being a part of the community. You don't have to do something big like changing the OT landscape, just that you were worth remembering and that people here would gladly welcome you.


As a side note, I think I have an idea to solving this problem. Why not separate the denizen status into tiers? That would solve the "people would post just for denizen" by putting them in a lower bracket and we could recognize those who did something big OT into the higher ones. We could have past denizens vote for which future denizens are gonna be in each bracket, something like that.

People would still just post for denizen, just to climb tiers, and the problem still stasnds of what does it mean to actually contribute to OT,

Won’t that be better though? People would work harder to deserve their denizenship, making better threads, engaging in OT more and being an easily recognizable denizen. I don’t why climbing tiers would be bad anymore.

But yeah, we still need to define what it means to be a denizen.

Read my ealier post, that on itself is a problem, you aren't doing it for OT, you're doing it for yourself, can a community acknowledge and give prestige for someone who doesn't give that same respect back?

ShinRun wrote:

We probably just gotta wait til the next election

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

We probably just gotta wait til the next election

how does this election thing work?

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

ShinRun wrote:

maybe I'll run for president this year
but like fr this time

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

Felixland wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

It is, and I'm forced to win it 😢

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

MFGSTC wrote:

i opened this thread and i thought the November thread was revived

It is, and I'm forced to win it 😢

Haha you're infertile now

Felixland wrote:

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Now for my delayed reaction: AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

YyottaCat wrote:

Felixland wrote:

-

Cerno wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Felixland wrote:

Patatitta has a lot of good DT plays on ctb. Add them.

What do you mean add them?

Make them a denizen I mean.

You can't just make someone a denizen based on their osu play stats lmao

It was a 🌟joke🌟.

We don’t joke around here, now we gotta castrate you

✂️
🥚🥚

Now I can win NNN for the rest of the month.

quite literally a no nut november

Now for my delayed reaction: AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Speaking of which, how long has AH*14 not been here?

YyottaCat wrote:

Here are the people on this list that I’ve seen (and perhaps talked to):

Gen 1: RemmyX25

Gen 2: Ephemeral, silmarilen, Flanster, Sakura

Gen 3: ColdTooth, GSG95, jaaakb

Gen 4: abraker, Meah, levesterz, KatouMegumi, Ashton (still banned lol), Serraionga, kai99

Gen 5: -

Gen 6: Achromalia, Penguin, TeeArctic1, Westonini, Aiseca, pentaqola, Tad Fibonacci, samX500

Gen 7-: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH, eblf2013, Lights, Zelzatter Zero, and everyone onwards.

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Manishh wrote:

Ohh kermine, didn't saw you in a while

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

And I have a family crisis right now and my internet has been disabled (actually it's been the case since like two weeks...). That's why I tend to be mostly inactive and why I can only post at frikin school..(;_;)

abraker wrote:

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

-Remi wrote:

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Yyotta's been here for way over a year, I think he'd know

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

honestly I dont think I contributed anything to OT, I could probably have never posted and OT would be the exact same

it's just, the current concept of contributing is by making high effort threads, and I just dont like the metas we're in, I dont want to make appreciation threads or churches or anything, I dont want to take part in the padoru war or attack furries

I just chill out and share what I enjoy, but the things I share, no one else here really thinks about it, I would like to post about my mangas and to have debates about them, but people would not care, I can host a ctb tournament, but no one would participate, maybe even a tetris one, but the result would probably be the same, I've sometimes posted threads without anyone really caring about it, but for the cooler stuff I would need user interaction I just dont have access too

i'm not really bothered by this really, forums are a chill way to communicate and talk to people, it feels more relaxing and less demanding than something like discord, that's the reason why I really use this

another reason I have to talk in the forums is pretty selfish, I wish that people that look at my profile years after I quit, can get an idea of how I am as a person by looking at my post history, which is something I think I have archived already

I've already stated before I dont feel like I dont form part of this community, I made a thread about it long ago, I'll admit it's kind of a shame not being able to contribute or really be anyone important, but I cant really blame anyone for it other than myself, at the end of my days, my decisions in here are the one that made me feel that way

If you dont have anything to say about me, then it's fair, just dont make me a denizen, I dont want you to rush adding someone who you dont feel really has done much to a generation that is yet to be defined

still, the rest of OT should probably evaluate what this community really means to then and come to a conclusion what a denizen should really be, instead of throwing out random solutions to arbitrary problems

Karmine wrote:

Manishh wrote:

Ohh kermine, didn't saw you in a while

I post daily

YyottaCat wrote:

-Remi wrote:

Felixland wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

Cerno wrote:

nah yyotta, gen 5’s got kere wdym

Oh I didn’t recognize keremal.

He's that dude who always uses the pink font.

Yyotta's been here for way over a year, I think he'd know

It’s been over two years now.

BTW it’s “she”. Pronouns are quite a deal these days.

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

My 2 cents: Nobody is affected by this more than Patatitta right now. They tick every checkmark by older standards, but I have no idea what their announcement should be cause I can't remember what they did. It also doesn't help that they slipped under the radar and were totally forgot about until recently.

I guess for such cases we can come to the candidates and ask them directly what they think they contributed to OT. Might do with all of them at that point I guess cause fossils like Penguin stopped looking at OT at some point but still retain a seat.

honestly I dont think I contributed anything to OT, I could probably have never posted and OT would be the exact same

it's just, the current concept of contributing is by making high effort threads, and I just dont like the metas we're in, I dont want to make appreciation threads or churches or anything, I dont want to take part in the padoru war or attack furries

I just chill out and share what I enjoy, but the things I share, no one else here really thinks about it, I would like to post about my mangas and to have debates about them, but people would not care, I can host a ctb tournament, but no one would participate, maybe even a tetris one, but the result would probably be the same, I've sometimes posted threads without anyone really caring about it, but for the cooler stuff I would need user interaction I just dont have access too

i'm not really bothered by this really, forums are a chill way to communicate and talk to people, it feels more relaxing and less demanding than something like discord, that's the reason why I really use this

another reason I have to talk in the forums is pretty selfish, I wish that people that look at my profile years after I quit, can get an idea of how I am as a person by looking at my post history, which is something I think I have archived already

I've already stated before I dont feel like I dont form part of this community, I made a thread about it long ago, I'll admit it's kind of a shame not being able to contribute or really be anyone important, but I cant really blame anyone for it other than myself, at the end of my days, my decisions in here are the one that made me feel that way

If you dont have anything to say about me, then it's fair, just dont make me a denizen, I dont want you to rush adding someone who you dont feel really has done much to a generation that is yet to be defined

still, the rest of OT should probably evaluate what this community really means to then and come to a conclusion what a denizen should really be, instead of throwing out random solutions to arbitrary problems

ShinRun wrote:

I miss Yyotta’s old pfp

YyottaCat wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

I miss Yyotta’s old pfp

Don’t remind me about that.

ShinRun wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

I miss Yyotta’s old pfp

Don’t remind me about that.

It was a good pfp

Felixland wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

I miss Yyotta’s old pfp

Don’t remind me about that.

It was a good pfp

What was their last pfp?

Felixland wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

YyottaCat wrote:

ShinRun wrote:

I miss Yyotta’s old pfp

Don’t remind me about that.

It was a good pfp

What was their last pfp?

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

THERE'S A 9TH GEN???

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

THERE'S A 9TH GEN???

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

THERE'S A 9TH GEN???

Serraionga wrote:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote:

THERE'S A 9TH GEN???

would you like some stew zekks

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

eblf2013 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

He's nedd83

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

Stefan wrote:

this is some deep lore shit

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

things might change...


not soon though wait mid 2023

Stomiks wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

things might change...


not soon though wait mid 2023

What's gonna happen mid 2023?

Stomiks wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

things might change...


not soon though wait mid 2023

What's gonna happen mid 2023?

Manishh wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

ninore wrote:

can i get denizen

Come back in 8 month

things might change...


not soon though wait mid 2023

What's gonna happen mid 2023?

Your mom

MrMcMikey22 wrote:

wait minute tho..I looked up my threads on ot and then I realized that I actually got 8 months into being an ot denizen!
(actually idk I don't feel like a real ot denizen yet..gimme uhh...2 more months..? or 4???