The issue with a checklist is that it's essentially something people will speedrun without actually putting any thought into it. I would rather people figure out on their own what they can personally offer to OT than just follow a list word by word and then expect to be nominated for and subsequently given denizenship.-Remi wrote:
I feel like on top of the 8 month requirement, there should be something else, at least from here on out.ghoulybits wrote:
The issue with a contribution-based system is that itKarmine wrote:
The problem with just having a time based requirement is that it doesn't incentivize making interesting threads (or making threads at all) and ends up giving denizenship to people who just spam low tier shitpost for months (if they've not been bullied out of OT).
Requiring at least some contribution will encourage people to make good threads, or at least try.It's not easy to decide what exactly merits being called a significant contribution to OT. Is organizing a pfp collab enough? Is drawing a pfp collab enough? Should shitposts made about an event going on in OT be considered significant because they contribute to the overall lore, even if they're poorly made with little effort? Should someone who arguably contributes to OT by having a friendly demeanor and posting a lot but otherwise doesn't add much still be a denizen? Everyone's going to have a different answer, and there's inevitably going to be points where someone who one person considers worthy of the status of denizen will be considered undeserving by another. The only way around this would be to assign strict "significant contribution" labels to certain actions but like... who even wants to do that? That'd be fucking stupid.
- is hard to really qualify in a way that would satisfy everyone
and- will probably lead to people whining and complaining about not being denizen
In addition, it's inevitable that if there are quality standards, there will be people naturally excluded because of them. I personally don't really think this is an issue, but like, people are going to get pissed if it's eight months and they're not denizen yet. No one wants to be told "hey your posts honestly suck and OT would be a happier place if you stopped posting so you aren't let into [what you think is] the Cool Kids Club yet", and no one really wants to be the person to say that either. No one wants to be an asshole, and no one wants to face the inevitable backlash that comes from telling someone they just... don't contribute to OT at all.
Trust me, I have no personal objections for a strict contribution-based denizenship system. However, I just... don't really think that there's a way it works, especially in this current system where parliament members kind of feel pressured to let people become denizen once they reach 8 months, even if they don't really deserve it.
TL;DR peer pressure kills any attempt at a contribution based system unless you like starting arguments in threads
I personally liked ShinRun's checklist method (though there can be improvements).
This is all just to be considered as a candidate for Denizenship, the real approval comes from the government. Think of it like a minimum requirements kind of thing, you don't have to be amazing, but OT should know you're here and you've made contributions.
Of course, if a checklist is decided upon, serious work should go into making sure its contents are agreed upon by a large majority of OT users.
Or alternatively, a vote on the denizen itself to be nominated for Denizenship, done periodically, and anonymously. (I just threw that in there I didn't think about any pros or cons)
Also, there's already a huge list of potential denizen candidates in the government server so it'd feel kinda redundant/like it's an extra step that isn't needed
" idea, you dont need to be good, you just need to be there
