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tutuhaha wrote:
and you need think about if "use the normal rhythm, unnecessary and overmap is unrankable" is rank rule, how about just unrank all map after 2011？
This... also, if we're looking for the past... U.N. Owen was her? is unrankable, but well, it's still there.Loctav wrote:
Pointing at other maps doesnt make this one better.
Hey, might as well contribute to this.
First of all, tutuhaha, I respect you as a mapper, but I don't like your ONE OK ROCK maps at all for too high spacing, overmapping, jumps at calm parts etc.etc.
a few examples in Dance diff
00:27:680 (1) - what's with this slider. it looks like 2008
00:35:262 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
00:49:768 (1,2,3) - overmapped, flowbreaking
01:04:797 (1,2,3) - like really bad
01:31:183 (1,2,3,4,5) - the first slider is flowbreaking and the jumps just don't make sense at all.
Also, the thousands of triplets
You are forcing too much difficulty in this song =/
First of all, tutuhaha, I respect you as a mapper, but I don't like your ONE OK ROCK maps at all for too high spacing, overmapping, jumps at calm parts etc.etc.
a few examples in Dance diff
00:27:680 (1) - what's with this slider. it looks like 2008
00:35:262 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
00:49:768 (1,2,3) - overmapped, flowbreaking
01:04:797 (1,2,3) - like really bad
01:31:183 (1,2,3,4,5) - the first slider is flowbreaking and the jumps just don't make sense at all.
Also, the thousands of triplets
You are forcing too much difficulty in this song =/
it was only coincidence for me :vMr Color wrote:
man Germany's all over this
Loctav's popular ain't he
hi tutuhahatutuhaha wrote:
more XAT come to discuss it？
I'm here to just tell only my opinion xD
firstly, I'm sorry but I quite disagree the way you map on Dance diff.
The map is really good , it's clean and easy to read.. but I just feel "is it too hard?"
I'm one of many average players as you may know. I like playing lot of hard maps too !! but it's just..
it fits the atmosphere of the song.. but it's quite overdone in my opinion.. some jumps are too hard but the music isn't hard like that
hope you understand my point = =" and Good Luck for the map : )
Topic Starter
pointing at other map because I try to explain my way which use this map is feasible because in first post you said it is unrankableLoctav wrote:
Pointing at other maps doesnt make this one better.
100 people has 100 idea about "better"
I dont think your guys's proposal can make this map more better now because we have different idea about how to design map and design rhythm
it is another cause why I pointing other map
This is not about "better" or "worse".
The [Dance] has huge flaws. Not like "optional stuff that MIGHT be changed", but like "stuff that is OBVIOUSLY and CLEARLY wrong".
Just because the map is fitting all existing ranking criteria, it does not mean, it is rankable at all.
I won't hinder your creativity or ambitions to map or anything. But if you put a map as huge clusterfuck without any point and sense, where anything in the music is getting totally lost, then this is unrankable.
The map is utterly nonsense and not creative.
We discussed this internally before I unranked it. And everyone agreed.
The [Dance] has huge flaws. Not like "optional stuff that MIGHT be changed", but like "stuff that is OBVIOUSLY and CLEARLY wrong".
Just because the map is fitting all existing ranking criteria, it does not mean, it is rankable at all.
I won't hinder your creativity or ambitions to map or anything. But if you put a map as huge clusterfuck without any point and sense, where anything in the music is getting totally lost, then this is unrankable.
The map is utterly nonsense and not creative.
We discussed this internally before I unranked it. And everyone agreed.
The page was last updated on 3 September 2012, when the new ranking criteria page has not been created. I question its credibility.MMzz wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/InsaneFlower wrote:
You are wrong. We map as music, not to the music. This is the basic concept as a mapper.
Please read.
To say the least,
If there is no sudden change that requires (or could greatly be supplemented with) difficulty increasing techniques, then simply don't add them.It suggests that if such change applies, then those techniques could be performed. E.g. the triple notes on 00:23:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - .
I wonder if more than 50% maps with Insane this year (and in the future) would (have) been ranked according to the criteria. Clicking the notes when drum hits or the singer gives a word? Is that fun? Remember, osu is not a instrument-following training application, it is made just for fun.
Besides, such light overmapping (if it really exists) does not affect it to be ranked. It can be raised in the moddings, but the mapper has right to choose taking it or not, while not affecting the ranking procress.
You are absolutely correct. All power to change a beatmap lies solely in the mapper's hands, but the staff has the final say of whether something will be ranked or not.Flower wrote:
It can be raised in the moddings, but the mapper has right to choose taking it or not.
Dude, that's the concept of rhythm games: performing according to the music. If you don't like this then rhythm games are not your genre.Flower wrote:
Clicking the notes when drum hits or the singer gives a word? Is that fun? Remember, osu is not a instrument-following training application, it is made just for fun.
Really high spacing, high SV, anti flow patterns.... even if there was no overmapping, this is just completely unnecessary for this type of song.
If you want this map to get ranked again, im sure a lot of us will be happy to help you and mod it.
If you want this map to get ranked again, im sure a lot of us will be happy to help you and mod it.
Nope. You are stating the rigid definition which does not fit all music games such as Taiko no Tasujin, DJMAX Technika, Groove Coaster, and of course Osu!. Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training, or enjoy rhythmic tapping. On this level, such triples is totally reasonable and is rather creative as they create a rhythm, even some of players don't like.Tshemmp wrote:
Dude, that's the concept of rhythm games: performing according to the music. If you don't like this then rhythm games are not your genre.Flower wrote:
Clicking the notes when drum hits or the singer gives a word? Is that fun? Remember, osu is not a instrument-following training application, it is made just for fun.
Move your fundamental discussions elsewhere. This map won't get rerankd in it's overmapped state.
Now this is something new.Flower wrote:
Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training.
Just accept it, the BATs say it is unranakable in it current state.Flower wrote:
Nope. You are stating the rigid definition which does not fit all music games such as Taiko no Tasujin, DJMAX Technika, Groove Coaster, and of course Osu!. Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training, or enjoy rhythmic tapping. On this level, such triples is totally reasonable and is rather creative as they create a rhythm, even some of players don't like.
Also 100% agree with Makar.
edit: wow i messed this post up lol
The Dance diff is pretty awesome and fun to play. I have no idea why you guys are attacking him over this
I'm just saying...
I'm just saying...
I could link you a thousand notes in a thousand maps that don't follow the music at all, you wouldn't listen though.Loctav wrote:
You are supposed to create the perfect overlay of the song.
This map is an overlay of a song that is somehow not included in this mapset.
OK you dudes win. It is the rule so I won't discuss on the irrational actions taken by some team members. However, as to be obviously rankable, I will watch later progress on discussing and modification.Zarerion wrote:
Just accept it, the BATs say it is unranakable in it current state.Flower wrote:
Nope. You are stating the rigid definition which does not fit all music games such as Taiko no Tasujin, DJMAX Technika, Groove Coaster, and of course Osu!. Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training, or enjoy rhythmic tapping. On this level, such triples is totally reasonable and is rather creative as they create a rhythm, even some of players don't like.
Also 100% agree with Makar.
edit: wow i messed this post up lol
We don't attack the mapper, we only address the issues with the map.
Please calm down people.
Please don't try to solve this problem just by saying "it is rankable because it is one of mapping style". If you claim so, we have to admit a map like consists all of 1/8 steams with BPM100 relax song. To prevent it happens, we set the standard. And also we are here.
I don't say we're perfect. But I think we have a better sense than other people. That's one of reason we're XAT.
Please discuss(not only claim) with us and try to find a way to make a map better.
I'm one who think Dance is overmapped.
The big space is used although there is unexcited place of the song. Especially after KIAI, for example 01:34:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6).
Many unnecessary notes are used. For example 01:09:001 (5,7,1), I don't know which sound they are following.
If you say they're used to design a map, I say no for it. Mapper should design a map with "variation of pattern", "unique rhythm", and etc. Many elements constitute a map. But using unnecessary notes to design a map is wrong.
Uhm...it is AM8 here...I can't reply until I'll be back to my home.
I hope we'll discuss constructively together.
Please don't try to solve this problem just by saying "it is rankable because it is one of mapping style". If you claim so, we have to admit a map like consists all of 1/8 steams with BPM100 relax song. To prevent it happens, we set the standard. And also we are here.
I don't say we're perfect. But I think we have a better sense than other people. That's one of reason we're XAT.
Please discuss(not only claim) with us and try to find a way to make a map better.
I'm one who think Dance is overmapped.
The big space is used although there is unexcited place of the song. Especially after KIAI, for example 01:34:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6).
Many unnecessary notes are used. For example 01:09:001 (5,7,1), I don't know which sound they are following.
If you say they're used to design a map, I say no for it. Mapper should design a map with "variation of pattern", "unique rhythm", and etc. Many elements constitute a map. But using unnecessary notes to design a map is wrong.
Uhm...it is AM8 here...I can't reply until I'll be back to my home.
I hope we'll discuss constructively together.
You guys speak as if there is only one way to map a song, lol. People interpret music differently, and mapping is a way to express your own interpretation of the song.
I'll take a look at the [Dance] diff later, but just wanted to throw this out first.
I'll take a look at the [Dance] diff later, but just wanted to throw this out first.
Of course. But it goes overboard when a mapper suddenly thinks "this straight 1/2 drum beat was definitely meant to be 1/4; the performers just didn't play it like that but I'm free to interpret it however I want!"CXu wrote:
You guys speak as if there is only one way to map a song, lol. People interpret music differently, and mapping is a way to express your own interpretation of the song.
Forgive me for the extreme example, but it seems we are having a hard time getting the point across to you guys.
Mm, Just looked at [Dance] and I guess the overmap is the chorus?
Actually, most of them play pretty well, similar to if the sliders were 3/4 instead of 1/2 + note.
Anyhow, you should fix this one somehow 01:13:781 (1,2,3,4) - . The spacing is really hard to read because of stacking, and iirc all other 1/4 jumps are stacks of two notes, so this is kind of a misfit imo.
Edit: Regarding spacing, what I get from the music is a powerful and somewhat fastpaced song. The spacing and SV fits fairly well for me. THEN AGAIN I enjoy most everything with huge spacing.
Actually, most of them play pretty well, similar to if the sliders were 3/4 instead of 1/2 + note.
Anyhow, you should fix this one somehow 01:13:781 (1,2,3,4) - . The spacing is really hard to read because of stacking, and iirc all other 1/4 jumps are stacks of two notes, so this is kind of a misfit imo.
Edit: Regarding spacing, what I get from the music is a powerful and somewhat fastpaced song. The spacing and SV fits fairly well for me. THEN AGAIN I enjoy most everything with huge spacing.
Hi~ just here to drop my opinion..
Despite being an overmapper myself, I have to say this map is ridiculous lol
01:08:588 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1) - this is so beyond overmapped i don't even know :\
and many other parts that were already mentioned..
also all this huge spacing makes no sense to me ._.
I hope you can get this re-ranked after some fixes!
Despite being an overmapper myself, I have to say this map is ridiculous lol
01:08:588 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1) - this is so beyond overmapped i don't even know :\
and many other parts that were already mentioned..
also all this huge spacing makes no sense to me ._.
I hope you can get this re-ranked after some fixes!
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Topic Starter
Fix Cxu and Suzully‘s 01:34:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) problem
then
you guys all talking about big space, unnecessary note
map need give player to play, this is why we make map
XATs is the people who need give mapper help to improve it and try to let player think it is interesting and fun to play
I put nodus in this map is ①big space ②Triples
and I really sure it is follow the rhythm
why you guys exclude the unnecessary note？it is always useful in my ranked map
no xat, please think about player's feeling
normal rhythm AHO and Kiiwa already use it, I want to use diff rhythm in Dance because it is high diff
I will not change many space and triple,and I still want to rank this map
then
you guys all talking about big space, unnecessary note
map need give player to play, this is why we make map
XATs is the people who need give mapper help to improve it and try to let player think it is interesting and fun to play
I put nodus in this map is ①big space ②Triples
and I really sure it is follow the rhythm
why you guys exclude the unnecessary note？it is always useful in my ranked map
no xat, please think about player's feeling
normal rhythm AHO and Kiiwa already use it, I want to use diff rhythm in Dance because it is high diff
I will not change many space and triple,and I still want to rank this map
If it's in the song, it's not unnecessary. It's a skill being able to listen to the music.tutuhaha wrote:
why you guys exclude the unnecessary note？it is always useful in my ranked map
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I will not change many space and triple,and I still want to rank this map
You can want as much as you want, nobody is stopping you from thinking any way you want. Whether you can convince us is another story.
I'm going to give a personal opinion here, and you can agree or disagree.
It was not necessary to unrank this. The map has a high slider velocity, jumps and 1/4 patterns. tutuhaha mapped the song in this style, and this is her map. Some people will find it fun and some will not, but either way no one is forcing you to enjoy it. AngelHoney's difficulty, for example, is a reasonable alternative within the same mapset if you don't find the Dance difficulty to be playable. The supposed overmapping here isn't detracting from the map itself. It received 33 positive votes and 1 negative vote before unranking, and the BAT doesn't need to unrank the map over something that players aren't finding to be a problem and in reality is not a problem.
It was not necessary to unrank this. The map has a high slider velocity, jumps and 1/4 patterns. tutuhaha mapped the song in this style, and this is her map. Some people will find it fun and some will not, but either way no one is forcing you to enjoy it. AngelHoney's difficulty, for example, is a reasonable alternative within the same mapset if you don't find the Dance difficulty to be playable. The supposed overmapping here isn't detracting from the map itself. It received 33 positive votes and 1 negative vote before unranking, and the BAT doesn't need to unrank the map over something that players aren't finding to be a problem and in reality is not a problem.
While I respect the opinions of the XATs very much, I do firmly believe that "overmapping" is entirely an opinion, of course excluding extreme instances, which I do not believe this to be one of them. This map plays amazingly well to me. The jumps are so fluid, it's really enjoyable to play, just like Re:make was. After a few plays, the rhythm becomes quite readable, although for things like 01:16:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) I do believe a better rhythm could have been used, but it's not an issue warrants unrank due to overmapping imho.
One complaint:
01:01:501 (1) - This circle is almost completely hidden by the previous slider 01:01:006 (2) so a lot of the time it leaves the player confused as to where the next note in the 01:01:501 (1,2,3,4) combo is. Better to make it more visible imo.
I just think this mapping is quite unique and epic, and I wouldn't want Tutuhaha to stop mapping in this style because of this unrank. -.-
One complaint:
01:01:501 (1) - This circle is almost completely hidden by the previous slider 01:01:006 (2) so a lot of the time it leaves the player confused as to where the next note in the 01:01:501 (1,2,3,4) combo is. Better to make it more visible imo.
I just think this mapping is quite unique and epic, and I wouldn't want Tutuhaha to stop mapping in this style because of this unrank. -.-
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
Topic Starter
change it and thankyouUnitedWeSin wrote:
While I respect the opinions of the XATs very much, I do firmly believe that "overmapping" is entirely an opinion, of course excluding extreme instances, which I do not believe this to be one of them. This map plays amazingly well to me. The jumps are so fluid, it's really enjoyable to play, just like Re:make was. After a few plays, the rhythm becomes quite readable, although for things like 01:16:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) I do believe a better rhythm could have been used, but it's not an issue warrants unrank due to overmapping imho.
One complaint:
01:01:501 (1) - This circle is almost completely hidden by the previous slider 01:01:006 (2) so a lot of the time it leaves the player confused as to where the next note in the 01:01:501 (1,2,3,4) combo is. Better to make it more visible imo.
I just think this mapping is quite unique and epic, and I wouldn't want Tutuhaha to stop mapping in this style because of this unrank. -.-
overmap is it up to XAT or Player？lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
If Player can listen it and follow the rhythm {beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument} which I use, it is sill overmap？
overmap can not be a point that XAT use to unrank
the thing is, overmapping isn't exactly defined. Some call overmapping placing circles where nothing is in the music, as lolcubes said.
However others refer to overmapping as adding jumps where no belong or making the map too hard and unfitting.
Since both apply here (IMO), it doesn't really matter right now though.
However others refer to overmapping as adding jumps where no belong or making the map too hard and unfitting.
Since both apply here (IMO), it doesn't really matter right now though.
Ok correction, "overmapping" always being a negative thing is entirely an opinion. I do not think that mappers should be forbidden from making the rhythm set more complicated, even if such a rhythm set isn't performed in the song note by note, as long as it makes sense rhythmically and people can follow it, which is the case here. Mapping like this can create a really unique experience imo if done correctly.lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
I agree ShapphireGhost's point. Everyone had their own thought, forcing others to do something when they resist would just lead the whole thing to a bad side- and it actually happened here. I'd wonder why we can't use a gentle way, to get both side calmed and get the problem solved. 
Hey, in this set there are many difficulties that follow the rhythm to the best of the mappers abilities. So for Dance difficulty, can't the mapper create some unique rhythm?
I think it's unfair for a XAT to tell her to remake her whole difficultly even after all this modding because some 1/4's isn't in the music. If the map can still be played well, who cares?
I think it's unfair for a XAT to tell her to remake her whole difficultly even after all this modding because some 1/4's isn't in the music. If the map can still be played well, who cares?
completely disregarding the whole overmapping argument I haven't even looked at the map tbh
wasn't this also unranked for bad timing? Shouldn't that be fixed?
wasn't this also unranked for bad timing? Shouldn't that be fixed?
Please keep in mind that some stuff has already been changed.
Still gathering even more opinions and giving everyone the chance to express their thoughts before we start rechecking it.
Still gathering even more opinions and giving everyone the chance to express their thoughts before we start rechecking it.
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
You don't even say where in the map this is!those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
How the hell can anyone tell if this plays well or not if we can can't hear if for ourselves and can judge only off one picture?
What a stupid reply.
The point is, you can put that anywhere on the map, and you can back it up with "I think it fits", where in reality this rhythm pattern doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this song.
Sorry for overestimating your ability, I should be more thorough in my explanations.
Sorry for overestimating your ability, I should be more thorough in my explanations.
you guys think its overmap 
I told you that T_TAndrea wrote:
I don't like Dance difficulty, it's really too overmapped and destroys the mapset.
And yet you ranked it
Kiiwa and those: Not all overmapping is bad to the same extent. I believe Kiiwa's point is that tutuhaha used overmapping in a way that was still reasonable and people found playable, and those's point is a general point against overmapping, that if you overmap to an extreme then it's not playable or fun.
Now, I think Kiiwa's response is a bit harshly worded, but I agree with her point that you can use overmapping to a certain extent without it becoming unplayable. You can see an example of unplayable overmapping in those's post, but it's not relevant to the extent of overmapping found in this map.
Like any mapping technique, you can use just some overmapping, or you can go too far. If I'm using new combo spam as a mapping technique, it can be done reasonably (example) or not (example). Overmapping is not inherently bad, but it is often done badly which is why people tend to draw that conclusion. As it pertains to this map, it's a question of whether it's being done reasonably or not, and in my opinion yes, it is and there wasn't a need to unrank it for that reason.
Now, I think Kiiwa's response is a bit harshly worded, but I agree with her point that you can use overmapping to a certain extent without it becoming unplayable. You can see an example of unplayable overmapping in those's post, but it's not relevant to the extent of overmapping found in this map.
Like any mapping technique, you can use just some overmapping, or you can go too far. If I'm using new combo spam as a mapping technique, it can be done reasonably (example) or not (example). Overmapping is not inherently bad, but it is often done badly which is why people tend to draw that conclusion. As it pertains to this map, it's a question of whether it's being done reasonably or not, and in my opinion yes, it is and there wasn't a need to unrank it for that reason.
i just get this map and test some times, the map is really cool from all kinds of aspects when i'm standing in the point of view of a normal player.
should the power to make decision not be grasped by most players? what i want to express is that people (who has ability to play Dance diff) is enjoy the experience during the play mostly. since we can all heard there are most strong beat from drum, the style of this diff can integrate the emotion of people into the song, the rhythm, also including the lyric.. these things are all the part of the song and also can not be express by the beat we can only find in the vocal or instrument.
should the power to make decision not be grasped by most players? what i want to express is that people (who has ability to play Dance diff) is enjoy the experience during the play mostly. since we can all heard there are most strong beat from drum, the style of this diff can integrate the emotion of people into the song, the rhythm, also including the lyric.. these things are all the part of the song and also can not be express by the beat we can only find in the vocal or instrument.
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
I can't find it in this map. can you point it?those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
You should try to play DJMAX TECHNIKA then you will change your mind.those wrote:
The point is, you can put that anywhere on the map, and you can back it up with "I think it fits", where in reality this rhythm pattern doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this song.
Why a beatmap has many diff?
I think the key point is:RHYTHM
basic diff's rhythm is sparse but higher diff's rhythm intensive.For example,jubeat's Basic,Advanced and Extreme,DJMAX TECHNIKA's Normal,Hard and Maximum.In Extreme or Maximum,there are so much rhythm pattern(can't find in the song),but nobody think it's unplayable or overmap.I think this map is analogous,you know,Rating of the map is 9.6,it means that this map is playable.A map is playable or no is depends on most of player instead of some BAT/MAT.
so,rerank it plz.
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Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
someone always force his mind into others. 
anyway. *support for rerank
anyway. *support for rerank
Loctav unranked, 10058pc , 3 ranked maps ，83 kds ，cool~
and why you think overmapped = unplayable ?
and why you think overmapped = unplayable ?
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.Gundam wrote:
Imagine this plays well:I can't find it in this map. can you point it?
You get the point.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
Why a beatmap has many diff?This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.
I think the key point is:RHYTHM
basic diff's rhythm is sparse but higher diff's rhythm intensive.For example,jubeat's Basic,Advanced and Extreme,DJMAX TECHNIKA's Normal,Hard and Maximum.In Extreme or Maximum,there are so much rhythm pattern(can't find in the song),but nobody think it's unplayable or overmap.I think this map is analogous,you know,Rating of the map is 9.6,it means that this map is playable.A map is playable or no is depends on most of player instead of some BAT/MAT.
so,rerank it plz.
edit:How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
@Zarerion: overmap is a style, where you found "too much" here? also, same as DJMAX, remember osu! is also the mug. you can't defeat all that Gundam said. btw, what's your certain standards?
I am sorry, but this picture explains nearly nothing. As SG mentioned, the extreme example does not prove impropriety of overmap conditions in the diff.Zarerion wrote:
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.It is not decided by a certain BAT as human is not perfect. The rating before unrank is overwhelmingly positive, whitch means this overmap does not affect playing. On the contrary, simply following the existing drum and vocal is quite plain, less creative and will get less rating, as I suggested.
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?lol Do you think this question is based on nothing?
I already did bring up some parts in the map I dislike.Strawberry wrote:
@Zarerion: overmap is a style, where you found "too much" here? also, same as DJMAX, remember osu! is also the mug. you can't defeat all that Gundam said. btw, what's your certain standards?
In my opinion, this map didn't play well because of overmapping, too high spacing and unneeded jumps. (As well as totally broken flow, but that's something which is really up to the mapper)
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues.
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.But now we are talk about this map,and I can't find it anywhere on the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.DJMAX is a music game,so is osu!.Overmapping is too much here?why it can be ranked?
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?hehe,I don't think so.Maybe you should read page3~page8 SERIOUSLY
Topic Starter
Now many people agree this is playable so this is not the pointZarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues.
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.tutuhaha wrote:
Now many people agree this is playable so this is not the pointZarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues.
*sigh* Why do you even bother? It's decided already, it's not like your complaining would change anything.
Exactly.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
Flower wrote:
It is not decided by a certain BAT as human is not perfect. The rating before unrank is overwhelmingly positive, whitch means this overmap does not affect playing. On the contrary, simply following the existing drum and vocal is quite plain, less creative and will get less rating, as I suggested. Since when did ratings ever fully determine that argument? Do you even realize how skewed the ratings are when you compare it to map quality? Positive ratings does not support the use of overmap at all. Just question your skill and your reasons for rating.How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?lol Do you think this question is based on nothing? Do you think accusations will do this any good? Please, be productive.
Zarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues. It's not that they have the most, they generally have higher standards of quality and precision when it comes to modding. They know how to rectify problems they see in mapping, which is why they are given their titles so they can share that wealth of knowledge for the greater good.
Gundam wrote:
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.But now we are talk about this map,and I can't find it anywhere on the map. Did you not read the previous posts? People, learn to read before you enter an argument otherwise you just look silly and foolish.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
Topic Starter
you need know when i make some crazy map like this I will find many player come to play it like nanaya, Uan, Sco, DzH, DeA, also SGStefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
They are all play it and think this map has not big problem
If someone just want to play it 1 time and then FC it, yes it can not, but when this map is rank before 6 hour, someone can FC it just use 5 min, then after 10min someone can SS it
But the BAT is wrong.So we should correct it.Zarerion wrote:
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.
*sigh* Why do you even bother? It's decided already, it's not like your complaining would change anything.
you are right so it shoule be reranked.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
What. Are you even reading the posts?Gundam wrote:
But the BAT is wrong.So we should correct it.Zarerion wrote:
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.
*sigh* Why do you even bother? It's decided already, it's not like your complaining would change anything.
You are not. making. any. sense. Really.you are right so it shoule be reranked.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
Are you just stubborn or do you ignore us on purpose?
So epic thread, I must leave my 500th post here. cheers~
inb4 deletedSieg wrote:
So epic thread, I must leave my 500th post here. cheers~
That is slippery. I agree that rating is often subjective, but we are not talking about like this or this (Xakyrie wrote:
Since when did ratings ever fully determine that argument? Do you even realize how skewed the ratings are when you compare it to map quality? Positive ratings does not support the use of overmap at all. Just question your skill and your reasons for rating.
Do you think accusations will do this any good? Please, be productive.I agree with your idea. Then, the one who starts satirizing the mapper and accusing the mapper's difficulty of understanding due to the criticizer's lack of ability of presenting clear expression should take the resposibility.
FOOL.Talking about another rhythm pattern which can't find anywhere on the map,and the mapper DOES NOT put that anywhere on the map.It's too flloish,isn't it?Maybe you should test this map then post your impression here.I'm busy.thxbyeXakyrie wrote:
Did you not read the previous posts? People, learn to read before you enter an argument otherwise you just look silly and foolish.
爬完整层楼感觉XAT在犯二，没救
2ha加油!!!!!!!!
1.
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria
No Rules say that "overmap" is an unrankable issue. why unrank?
2.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/kudosu
3. Try to find out why you can't play the map. Useless complaint makes no sense at all. :<
poor english
Edit: the silliest unranking with the non-sense unrank reason. good job guys.
2ha加油!!!!!!!!
1.
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria
No Rules say that "overmap" is an unrankable issue. why unrank?
2.
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http://osu.ppy.sh/p/kudosu
3. Try to find out why you can't play the map. Useless complaint makes no sense at all. :<
poor english
Edit: the silliest unranking with the non-sense unrank reason. good job guys.
I'm giving up. This discussion makes no sense at all. You are asking the same questions and saying the same stuff over. and over. again.
This is just stupid.
This is just stupid.
Strawberry wrote:
anyway. *support for rerank
I even get more lol, but this does not mean Loc is incapable with modding. The conclusion is, "贵圈真乱".384059043 wrote:
83kds?
Topic Starter
we said the same stuff over and over because you dont give use answer, and we dont really understand your pointZarerion wrote:
I'm giving up. This discussion makes no sense at all. You are asking the same questions and saying the same stuff over. and over. again.
This is just stupid.
We dont say you are stupid but you said we are stupid, who stupid more？
all we know
我很好奇既然admin不需要kds就能上 为什么admin允许unrank/rank图 柑橘没救 贵圈真乱XDFlower wrote:
I even get more lol, but this does not mean Loc is incapable with modding. The conclusion is, "贵圈真乱".384059043 wrote:
83kds?
再继续为一个问题重复来重复去感觉会变成一个骗分帖子 怒回骗顶吧
support for reranking!
support for reranking!
This is getting crazy..
Just pointing out that no one called anyone stupid. The level of misinterpreting here (language barriers?) is just taking this discussion to a whole different realm. How about shifting the focus on the goal?tutuhaha wrote:
we said the same stuff over and over because you dont give use answer, and we dont really understand your point
We dont say you are stupid but you said we are stupid, who stupid more？
all we know
I'm just going to leave this here in hopes that maybe, just maybe you'll get why you're not making much sense.those wrote:
The point is, you can put that anywhere on the map, and you can back it up with "I think it fits", where in reality this rhythm pattern doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this song.
Sorry for overestimating your ability, I should be more thorough in my explanations.
I hope to see some form of progression in this thread really soon.
Mercurial
Topic Starter
It is the Bad things that I dont want it happenMercurial wrote:
If the mapper refuse to change something in this mapset, then this will end as Justice Breaker when Rin nuked his own map.
so I try to find more people and explain they idea
then this map is not unrankable, it is really sure things, and it is readable and playable
The only think unrankable here imo is that it's not the full version. ;_;
I'll leave my opinions here
we need to accept a fact is that things are always being developing, so osu! is. the osu community has developing for 5 years, there's more and more players and mappers nowadays. the average of the play skill nowadays is much higher than what you thought, also the map difficulty. if we put an usual Insane diff which ranked in this year into 2 or 3 years ago, I think mostly of people would say it's overmapped
about this map, it's a bit hard to play, but it's acceptable nowadays. just like what 0108 did, he put many unreasonable jumps and streams in his map everywhere, and he became one the best of 2012
this is a precise tangible that osu has developed, there comes out many new things, maybe someone don't like new things but please remember: reject new things, there won't be history anymore, it'll be the end of the dynasty
we need to accept a fact is that things are always being developing, so osu! is. the osu community has developing for 5 years, there's more and more players and mappers nowadays. the average of the play skill nowadays is much higher than what you thought, also the map difficulty. if we put an usual Insane diff which ranked in this year into 2 or 3 years ago, I think mostly of people would say it's overmapped
about this map, it's a bit hard to play, but it's acceptable nowadays. just like what 0108 did, he put many unreasonable jumps and streams in his map everywhere, and he became one the best of 2012
this is a precise tangible that osu has developed, there comes out many new things, maybe someone don't like new things but please remember: reject new things, there won't be history anymore, it'll be the end of the dynasty
I always found overmapping being bad when putting objects that follows nothing in the song, leaving the jumps aside, the so called overmapped difficulty would be more fun if those overmapped triplets and similar were changed, but I'm nobody to force you, I just came here to throw my opinion~
Also felt AngelHoney inconcluded :c
And drumrolls are missing~ :C
Also felt AngelHoney inconcluded :c
And drumrolls are missing~ :C
UnitedWeSin wrote:
The only think unrankable here imo is that it's not the full version. ;_;
Ahahaha.
You guys are all pro players and pro mappers.
Here comes a ordinary dude without standing on either side.
First to say, I can't even pass the Dance diff, not like some one boasting an SS =.=
Then, although I can't even play it, I think it able and worth existing.
Do you guys ever think about why did HDR10 CS7 OD10 and snap divisor of 1/12 and 1/16 exist even it was not used even once?
Because it is reasonable at the right place.
Haven't the disagreeing guys ever read this thread ?
You know, when a supposed-to-be-epic song was chosen by someone to be mapped, and the mapper made just the right stuff, then the epic becomes real.
If the Airman lost its AR10, it won't be that exctiting as it is now.
If this Dance diff lost its intense tripples and huge jumps, it won't rock just as well.
I Don't mean the diff is flawless and need nothing to be fixed by saying this.
I've viewed the diff thoroughly and I have my opinions.
Sucha s I love 1/4 sliders but don't like them be in the way like this 01:25:566 (1,2,3) - , which is not smooth to play.
And I don't agree with this 00:55:567 (1,2,3,4) - and this 00:38:065 (3,4,5,6) - increasing distance for there is just repeated words and music (but not crescendo) which can match with them
Also I agree on the point that the distance between obejects after Kiai should be shorther, for the song obviously slowed down.
But I think stuffs like this 00:23:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is definitely alright because this indicates that the rhythm changes from soft to intense at here.
And similar arrangements like this 00:41:609 (4,5) - is so suitable because with all dadadadadadadada 1/2 beats you won't get excited and fueled up, will you?
Remember, I agree to rerank it after some fixing but without removing the so called overamapping, even I can't even reach anything during the huge jumps.
If this got ranked again, you know, I won't get an FC with HT and instead I will dig a big "discusting" hole with NF.
Because when this map is like what it is, it rocks, and I may be so exciting struglling with hundreds of misses.
I'm noob at timing, so if this map has timing problem and got unranked, it's reasonable and acceptable.
Then fix it with the skills from you all great guys who joined the argument and bring the rank back.
On the contrary, if this was unranked because some of you XATs who was always regarding whomselves as majority can't got pp from it and was not satisfied,
Then Go rank your fucking maps which is kind enough to bring up everyone's rank in to #100.
So Go! Go! tutuhaha! Get your fucking great map back to the ranked.
Here comes a ordinary dude without standing on either side.
First to say, I can't even pass the Dance diff, not like some one boasting an SS =.=
Then, although I can't even play it, I think it able and worth existing.
Do you guys ever think about why did HDR10 CS7 OD10 and snap divisor of 1/12 and 1/16 exist even it was not used even once?
Because it is reasonable at the right place.
Haven't the disagreeing guys ever read this thread ?
You know, when a supposed-to-be-epic song was chosen by someone to be mapped, and the mapper made just the right stuff, then the epic becomes real.
If the Airman lost its AR10, it won't be that exctiting as it is now.
If this Dance diff lost its intense tripples and huge jumps, it won't rock just as well.
I Don't mean the diff is flawless and need nothing to be fixed by saying this.
I've viewed the diff thoroughly and I have my opinions.
Sucha s I love 1/4 sliders but don't like them be in the way like this 01:25:566 (1,2,3) - , which is not smooth to play.
And I don't agree with this 00:55:567 (1,2,3,4) - and this 00:38:065 (3,4,5,6) - increasing distance for there is just repeated words and music (but not crescendo) which can match with them
Also I agree on the point that the distance between obejects after Kiai should be shorther, for the song obviously slowed down.
But I think stuffs like this 00:23:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is definitely alright because this indicates that the rhythm changes from soft to intense at here.
And similar arrangements like this 00:41:609 (4,5) - is so suitable because with all dadadadadadadada 1/2 beats you won't get excited and fueled up, will you?
Remember, I agree to rerank it after some fixing but without removing the so called overamapping, even I can't even reach anything during the huge jumps.
If this got ranked again, you know, I won't get an FC with HT and instead I will dig a big "discusting" hole with NF.
Because when this map is like what it is, it rocks, and I may be so exciting struglling with hundreds of misses.
I'm noob at timing, so if this map has timing problem and got unranked, it's reasonable and acceptable.
Then fix it with the skills from you all great guys who joined the argument and bring the rank back.
On the contrary, if this was unranked because some of you XATs who was always regarding whomselves as majority can't got pp from it and was not satisfied,
Then Go rank your fucking maps which is kind enough to bring up everyone's rank in to #100.
So Go! Go! tutuhaha! Get your fucking great map back to the ranked.
1.) I didn't decide this unrank alone
2.) this step is for quality assurance. I can see what the map tries to achieve. Overmapping is okay to an extend. But this diff was going too far. This wouldn't have been unranked if several people wouldn't have agreed.
Do not turn this thread into a fundamental discussion about what-is-overmapping.
I don't want to sound arrogant, but this decision has been made as team and will stay.
You should all use your focus to improve this map. I am saying that certain triplets are optionally "okay".
But my post showed up all notes that are technically overmapped. It's not that every single note is unrankable as its sole. The SUM of the infringements and the exaggerated useage of notes ruins the whole map to a level that it looks like you face rolled over your keyboard and made it unrankable.
Please consider that if you check the map now, you are not seeing the initial version which got unranked. Also keep in mind that XATs are players, too. Even if I might not be in the top 2000, others of us are. And yet majority of us agree.
I can see everyone's point here. I also agree to an extend. But this diff was OVERDOING what it was trying.
Refrain from getting personal.
This style can't be considered as "development". This map as a whole was neither art, creative nor made sense together with the mp3 it overlayed.
If we start to accept blantly random clusterpoot as the new future of this game, the quality will run rapidly downhill.
Try to fix for what the map got unranked for. And stop trying to explain me, why this should be ranked. It shouldn't in the state it has been.
2.) this step is for quality assurance. I can see what the map tries to achieve. Overmapping is okay to an extend. But this diff was going too far. This wouldn't have been unranked if several people wouldn't have agreed.
Do not turn this thread into a fundamental discussion about what-is-overmapping.
I don't want to sound arrogant, but this decision has been made as team and will stay.
You should all use your focus to improve this map. I am saying that certain triplets are optionally "okay".
But my post showed up all notes that are technically overmapped. It's not that every single note is unrankable as its sole. The SUM of the infringements and the exaggerated useage of notes ruins the whole map to a level that it looks like you face rolled over your keyboard and made it unrankable.
Please consider that if you check the map now, you are not seeing the initial version which got unranked. Also keep in mind that XATs are players, too. Even if I might not be in the top 2000, others of us are. And yet majority of us agree.
I can see everyone's point here. I also agree to an extend. But this diff was OVERDOING what it was trying.
Refrain from getting personal.
This style can't be considered as "development". This map as a whole was neither art, creative nor made sense together with the mp3 it overlayed.
If we start to accept blantly random clusterpoot as the new future of this game, the quality will run rapidly downhill.
Try to fix for what the map got unranked for. And stop trying to explain me, why this should be ranked. It shouldn't in the state it has been.
I don't if it's just me but I find this map a lot more overmapped than this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48979
This read is about this map. Not another one. If you think, it is overlapped, feel free to post in the thread there.
Eh, I think this quote could never be more true.
People make mistakes. Therefore, if a map makes it through the approval system with a drastic error, then it might become temporarily unranked. If your map gets unranked, it's recommended to talk to the approval team member who unranked it in order to fix what was wrong so that your map may become reranked and enjoyed as quickly as possible.Emphasis on "let go of your pride and just fix it"
Note: You'll sometimes be asked to change things you don't want to change. Sometimes you may be able to get away without changing it, but if half the Beatmap Approval Team agree that you should change it, then let go of your pride and just fix it.
I don't mean to cause any trouble. Just pointing out that this map shouldn't be unranked if compared to mythologia. But anyway, I understand the story of each side. Good luck with whatever's gonna happen next.
Val's maps always fit to the music though, even if it is a bit overmapped. His styles like that.
PortalLife wrote:
Eh, I think this quote could never be more true.People make mistakes. Therefore, if a map makes it through the approval system with a drastic error, then it might become temporarily unranked. If your map gets unranked, it's recommended to talk to the approval team member who unranked it in order to fix what was wrong so that your map may become reranked and enjoyed as quickly as possible.Emphasis on "let go of your pride and just fix it"
Note: You'll sometimes be asked to change things you don't want to change. Sometimes you may be able to get away without changing it, but if half the Beatmap Approval Team agree that you should change it, then let go of your pride and just fix it.
Emphasize on "but if half the Beatmap Approval Team agree that you should change it" then. I estimate that about 2 BATs insist the patterns to be fatal, not 15, while 3 appear to be more neutral, with 2 supporting the mapper. Theoretically, your statement is not credible.
So please accept the styles presented by 2ha. Her patterns are like that too. Why are you talking about similiar or maybe more extreme example and keep denying the rationality of this map?PortalLife wrote:
Val's maps always fit to the music though, even if it is a bit overmapped. His styles like that.
I didn't even mention any of my opinions on the map, and you're saying i'm denying the rationality of it?
what
what
Alright, I checked the map just now and I have to say it is totally fine except of the triplet spam during the kiai time because it doesn't fit and sounds/feels extremely awkward imo. There are just too much at once/in a row. That said they give this map something "special" which makes it enjoyable in it's own way.
Pointing some things out:
Just some opinions, you don't have to change it. But at least consider it. Remember, we only want to help you and make your map better.
Pointing some things out:
- 01:07:023 (2,4) - too much, remove at least one of these
- 01:09:001 (5,7) - ^
- 01:09:660 (1,2,3) - delete the circle and turn the sliders into circles
- 01:10:072 (1,2) - this is way better than using triplets imo, you should definitely use this pattern more often
- 01:11:720 (3,4) - uh, this spacing is too big, it makes it more "exciting" to play than the song implies imo
- 01:17:242 (4,6) - remove both imo
- 01:25:566 (1,2) - try ctrl+g on these, it improves the flow imo because you can continue the counter clockwise circular movement from 01:25:072 (7,8,9) -
Just some opinions, you don't have to change it. But at least consider it. Remember, we only want to help you and make your map better.
so give me reason
to prove her wrong
to do such an "overmap"
let the pattern cross the distance between rules and BATs
give me reason
to fill this hole
connect the rules and styles
let it be enough to rank this map again
across this old divide
(/me flees
edit 2ha is a moe girl
to prove her wrong
to do such an "overmap"
let the pattern cross the distance between rules and BATs
give me reason
to fill this hole
connect the rules and styles
let it be enough to rank this map again
across this old divide
(/me flees
edit 2ha is a moe girl
why all the people argue here for this map, it's just unranked, don't think it's a top level map in any aspect
if it can rerank, change the map get it reranked
if not possible to rerank, just wait for graveyard or become MAT and nuke it
for either way it's no use to argue here
also, argue in my map plz, i have 16 maps in graveyard and never ranked, some of which much more overmapped than this
hontoni ball ball you
你们吵得怎么这么欢乐, 不行我要来个混乱邪恶的
if it can rerank, change the map get it reranked
if not possible to rerank, just wait for graveyard or become MAT and nuke it
for either way it's no use to argue here
also, argue in my map plz, i have 16 maps in graveyard and never ranked, some of which much more overmapped than this
hontoni ball ball you
你们吵得怎么这么欢乐, 不行我要来个混乱邪恶的
I have nothing against creativity, but overmapping is not creativity.
Overmapping is bad and it will always be. It is not enjoyable and it will never be. It doesn't make sense and it will never do.
Many people have stated in this thread that most 1/4 notes don't follow anything in the music and are obviously here to add some ridiculous difficulty, osu! is a rhythm game, if you think otherwise you are wrong, even the slogan says it. Keep in mind that if a map doesn't follow the music, then something is wrong. Nothing will ever change in this aspect, even if mapping keeps changing and developping everyday.
It looks like you are not willing to fix your map yet, therefore I am nuking the map and locking the thread (no need for endless discussions), it will not get reranked until the issues are fixed.
Contact me if someday you change your mind.
Overmapping is bad and it will always be. It is not enjoyable and it will never be. It doesn't make sense and it will never do.
Many people have stated in this thread that most 1/4 notes don't follow anything in the music and are obviously here to add some ridiculous difficulty, osu! is a rhythm game, if you think otherwise you are wrong, even the slogan says it. Keep in mind that if a map doesn't follow the music, then something is wrong. Nothing will ever change in this aspect, even if mapping keeps changing and developping everyday.
It looks like you are not willing to fix your map yet, therefore I am nuking the map and locking the thread (no need for endless discussions), it will not get reranked until the issues are fixed.
Contact me if someday you change your mind.
Ok, I have discussed with the mapper by PM and I have done some modding via the chat. The map is still far from reaching the ranking standards, but at least there is some improvement and it looks like the mapper is willing to improve it even more to get it reranked.
I'm re-opening the thread and un-nuking the map. Please, focus on modding the map instead of trolling and flaming. Any irrelevant post will be removed and you'll likely be silenced if you do.
I don't want to lock the thread again so behave.
I'm re-opening the thread and un-nuking the map. Please, focus on modding the map instead of trolling and flaming. Any irrelevant post will be removed and you'll likely be silenced if you do.
I don't want to lock the thread again so behave.
Topic Starter
这件事情告诉我们以后遇到各种某人只能~自分の原因を探~
然后端坐，深呼吸
然后端坐，深呼吸
Go go tutuhaha~ :3
Had a rechecking with mapper via irc
According to Kurai's opinion, I'd suggest for getting few more moddings before having a rebubble.
SPOILER
09:21:43 <Pokie> http://puu.sh/24iKn 我乾脆irc mod了...下載這個 替代一下現有的slidertick2, blank file替代一下現在的silenced sliderslide
09:22:20 <tutuhaha> 直接覆盖对吧？
09:22:31 <Pokie> Hard: 00:41:361 (2) - 碰到HP bar了...雖說不修都行, 但改掉比較好 http://puu.sh/24i3Y
09:22:33 <Pokie> 對
09:22:47 <Pokie> 現在的tick沒有底音
09:22:52 <Pokie> 聽起來有點獵奇
09:23:14 <Pokie> 繼續Hard: 01:45:029 (3,4,5) - 這三個之間的間距不一樣...故意的麼
09:24:24 <Pokie> Kiiwa: 01:45:853 (1) - 她這spinner比你的短了1/2拍..而且也沒用normal set, 音效如果是故意的話可不修, 但長度一定得移到1/4 或 1/2 拍後
09:22:20 <tutuhaha> 直接覆盖对吧？
09:22:31 <Pokie> Hard: 00:41:361 (2) - 碰到HP bar了...雖說不修都行, 但改掉比較好 http://puu.sh/24i3Y
09:22:33 <Pokie> 對
09:22:47 <Pokie> 現在的tick沒有底音
09:22:52 <Pokie> 聽起來有點獵奇
09:23:14 <Pokie> 繼續Hard: 01:45:029 (3,4,5) - 這三個之間的間距不一樣...故意的麼
09:24:24 <Pokie> Kiiwa: 01:45:853 (1) - 她這spinner比你的短了1/2拍..而且也沒用normal set, 音效如果是故意的話可不修, 但長度一定得移到1/4 或 1/2 拍後
According to Kurai's opinion, I'd suggest for getting few more moddings before having a rebubble.
I talked to the mapper and help her fix something imo actually overmapped and flow breaking.
From now on all things we need to do is to solve the problem but not arguing here.
log 1, Feb 17
09:09 popner: 00:23:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这里明显是折返或者来回的1/2跳好啊
09:09 tutuhaha: 折返跳或者大跳后面都有我就想三连
09:09 popner: 两个三连凝滞感太重了
09:10 tutuhaha: 恩就是要那个感觉
09:10 popner: 关键这两个是白线三连
09:10 tutuhaha: 恩所以
09:11 popner: 00:28:669 (4,5,6) - 这种就没什么问题
09:12 tutuhaha: 我看看
09:12 tutuhaha: 稍等
09:13 tutuhaha: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/615964
09:13 tutuhaha: 你的意思是这样
09:13 tutuhaha: 么
09:13 popner: 不是
09:14 tutuhaha: 那是
09:14 popner: http://puu.sh/23JTU
09:16 tutuhaha: 行改了
09:17 popner: 00:45:977 (1,2,3) -
09:18 popner: 白线三连，一般是在过渡段节奏变化的地方才用
09:19 popner: 你知道为啥
09:19 popner: 因为白线三连一用，固定的节奏就被打破了
09:21 tutuhaha: 所以你是建议剪掉？
09:22 tutuhaha: 因为这边有个重音是在那个蓝线上的
09:23 tutuhaha: 但是当时把slider拖到蓝线开始有人说太坑了
09:23 tutuhaha: 后面就该成这样了
09:09 tutuhaha: 折返跳或者大跳后面都有我就想三连
09:09 popner: 两个三连凝滞感太重了
09:10 tutuhaha: 恩就是要那个感觉
09:10 popner: 关键这两个是白线三连
09:10 tutuhaha: 恩所以
09:11 popner: 00:28:669 (4,5,6) - 这种就没什么问题
09:12 tutuhaha: 我看看
09:12 tutuhaha: 稍等
09:13 tutuhaha: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/615964
09:13 tutuhaha: 你的意思是这样
09:13 tutuhaha: 么
09:13 popner: 不是
09:14 tutuhaha: 那是
09:14 popner: http://puu.sh/23JTU
09:16 tutuhaha: 行改了
09:17 popner: 00:45:977 (1,2,3) -
09:18 popner: 白线三连，一般是在过渡段节奏变化的地方才用
09:19 popner: 你知道为啥
09:19 popner: 因为白线三连一用，固定的节奏就被打破了
09:21 tutuhaha: 所以你是建议剪掉？
09:22 tutuhaha: 因为这边有个重音是在那个蓝线上的
09:23 tutuhaha: 但是当时把slider拖到蓝线开始有人说太坑了
09:23 tutuhaha: 后面就该成这样了
log 2, Feb 18
09:46 tutuhaha: 泡泡帮忙过来纯mod支持一下好不好:O
09:46 tutuhaha: the beginning解锁了
09:46 tutuhaha: kurai非说离rank还far
09:47 tutuhaha: pokie姐姐说找几个权限mod一下然后她给rebubble:O
09:47 tutuhaha: 所以过来纯支持mod下好不好Orz
09:49 popner: 我昨天那样就算mod过了。。
09:49 popner: zhijietielog
09:49 tutuhaha: 要post 要post Orz
09:49 tutuhaha: 我没保存Orz
09:54 popner: 00:32:295 (1,2,3) - 这块flow太差了啊
09:55 tutuhaha: 何解
09:55 popner: 把滑条弄弯点
09:57 popner: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/617628
09:57 popner: 这是我瞎拉的
09:57 tutuhaha: 噗
09:58 tutuhaha: 我现在开不了osu的所有page因为锁网
09:58 tutuhaha: 大概说一下，是不是滑条往下走？
09:59 popner: 用qq
10:00 tutuhaha: 我在群里说话了你M我一下
10:01 popner: 发了
10:06 popner: 01:48:985 (1) - 转盘结尾
10:06 popner: 改成whistle好一些
10:08 tutuhaha: 改了
10:09 popner: 别的diff也是
10:09 tutuhaha: 恩
10:10 popner: hard
10:10 popner: 00:32:460 (3,4) - 把这弄平行?
10:11 tutuhaha: 好了
10:12 popner: 就这样吧
10:12 popner: 光靠mod不会有什么大的改变
10:12 tutuhaha:.....恩也对
09:46 tutuhaha: the beginning解锁了
09:46 tutuhaha: kurai非说离rank还far
09:47 tutuhaha: pokie姐姐说找几个权限mod一下然后她给rebubble:O
09:47 tutuhaha: 所以过来纯支持mod下好不好Orz
09:49 popner: 我昨天那样就算mod过了。。
09:49 popner: zhijietielog
09:49 tutuhaha: 要post 要post Orz
09:49 tutuhaha: 我没保存Orz
09:54 popner: 00:32:295 (1,2,3) - 这块flow太差了啊
09:55 tutuhaha: 何解
09:55 popner: 把滑条弄弯点
09:57 popner: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/617628
09:57 popner: 这是我瞎拉的
09:57 tutuhaha: 噗
09:58 tutuhaha: 我现在开不了osu的所有page因为锁网
09:58 tutuhaha: 大概说一下，是不是滑条往下走？
09:59 popner: 用qq
10:00 tutuhaha: 我在群里说话了你M我一下
10:01 popner: 发了
10:06 popner: 01:48:985 (1) - 转盘结尾
10:06 popner: 改成whistle好一些
10:08 tutuhaha: 改了
10:09 popner: 别的diff也是
10:09 tutuhaha: 恩
10:10 popner: hard
10:10 popner: 00:32:460 (3,4) - 把这弄平行?
10:11 tutuhaha: 好了
10:12 popner: 就这样吧
10:12 popner: 光靠mod不会有什么大的改变
10:12 tutuhaha:
.....恩也对From now on all things we need to do is to solve the problem but not arguing here.
皆大歡喜
坐等
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