Now this is something new.Flower wrote:
Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training.
Now this is something new.Flower wrote:
Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training.
Just accept it, the BATs say it is unranakable in it current state.Flower wrote:
Nope. You are stating the rigid definition which does not fit all music games such as Taiko no Tasujin, DJMAX Technika, Groove Coaster, and of course Osu!. Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training, or enjoy rhythmic tapping. On this level, such triples is totally reasonable and is rather creative as they create a rhythm, even some of players don't like.
I could link you a thousand notes in a thousand maps that don't follow the music at all, you wouldn't listen though.Loctav wrote:
You are supposed to create the perfect overlay of the song.
This map is an overlay of a song that is somehow not included in this mapset.
OK you dudes win. It is the rule so I won't discuss on the irrational actions taken by some team members. However, as to be obviously rankable, I will watch later progress on discussing and modification.Zarerion wrote:
Just accept it, the BATs say it is unranakable in it current state.Flower wrote:
Nope. You are stating the rigid definition which does not fit all music games such as Taiko no Tasujin, DJMAX Technika, Groove Coaster, and of course Osu!. Music game is a concept that is to let common people enjoy making music without professional training, or enjoy rhythmic tapping. On this level, such triples is totally reasonable and is rather creative as they create a rhythm, even some of players don't like.
Also 100% agree with Makar.
edit: wow i messed this post up lol
Of course. But it goes overboard when a mapper suddenly thinks "this straight 1/2 drum beat was definitely meant to be 1/4; the performers just didn't play it like that but I'm free to interpret it however I want!"CXu wrote:
You guys speak as if there is only one way to map a song, lol. People interpret music differently, and mapping is a way to express your own interpretation of the song.
If it's in the song, it's not unnecessary. It's a skill being able to listen to the music.tutuhaha wrote:
why you guys exclude the unnecessary note?it is always useful in my ranked map
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I will not change many space and triple,and I still want to rank this map
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
change it and thankyouUnitedWeSin wrote:
While I respect the opinions of the XATs very much, I do firmly believe that "overmapping" is entirely an opinion, of course excluding extreme instances, which I do not believe this to be one of them. This map plays amazingly well to me. The jumps are so fluid, it's really enjoyable to play, just like Re:make was. After a few plays, the rhythm becomes quite readable, although for things like 01:16:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) I do believe a better rhythm could have been used, but it's not an issue warrants unrank due to overmapping imho.
One complaint:
01:01:501 (1) - This circle is almost completely hidden by the previous slider 01:01:006 (2) so a lot of the time it leaves the player confused as to where the next note in the 01:01:501 (1,2,3,4) combo is. Better to make it more visible imo.
I just think this mapping is quite unique and epic, and I wouldn't want Tutuhaha to stop mapping in this style because of this unrank. -.-
overmap is it up to XAT or Player?lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
Ok correction, "overmapping" always being a negative thing is entirely an opinion. I do not think that mappers should be forbidden from making the rhythm set more complicated, even if such a rhythm set isn't performed in the song note by note, as long as it makes sense rhythmically and people can follow it, which is the case here. Mapping like this can create a really unique experience imo if done correctly.lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You don't even say where in the map this is!those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
I told you that T_TAndrea wrote:
I don't like Dance difficulty, it's really too overmapped and destroys the mapset.
I can't find it in this map. can you point it?those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
You should try to play DJMAX TECHNIKA then you will change your mind.those wrote:
The point is, you can put that anywhere on the map, and you can back it up with "I think it fits", where in reality this rhythm pattern doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this song.
Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.Gundam wrote:
Imagine this plays well:I can't find it in this map. can you point it?
You get the point.
Why a beatmap has many diff?This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.
I think the key point is:RHYTHM
basic diff's rhythm is sparse but higher diff's rhythm intensive.For example,jubeat's Basic,Advanced and Extreme,DJMAX TECHNIKA's Normal,Hard and Maximum.In Extreme or Maximum,there are so much rhythm pattern(can't find in the song),but nobody think it's unplayable or overmap.I think this map is analogous,you know,Rating of the map is 9.6,it means that this map is playable.A map is playable or no is depends on most of player instead of some BAT/MAT.
so,rerank it plz.
edit:How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
I am sorry, but this picture explains nearly nothing. As SG mentioned, the extreme example does not prove impropriety of overmap conditions in the diff.Zarerion wrote:
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.It is not decided by a certain BAT as human is not perfect. The rating before unrank is overwhelmingly positive, whitch means this overmap does not affect playing. On the contrary, simply following the existing drum and vocal is quite plain, less creative and will get less rating, as I suggested.
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?lol Do you think this question is based on nothing?
I already did bring up some parts in the map I dislike.Strawberry wrote:
@Zarerion: overmap is a style, where you found "too much" here? also, same as DJMAX, remember osu! is also the mug. you can't defeat all that Gundam said. btw, what's your certain standards?
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.But now we are talk about this map,and I can't find it anywhere on the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.DJMAX is a music game,so is osu!.Overmapping is too much here?why it can be ranked?
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?hehe,I don't think so.Maybe you should read page3~page8 SERIOUSLY