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If it's in the song, it's not unnecessary. It's a skill being able to listen to the music.tutuhaha wrote:
why you guys exclude the unnecessary note?it is always useful in my ranked map
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I will not change many space and triple,and I still want to rank this map
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
change it and thankyouUnitedWeSin wrote:
While I respect the opinions of the XATs very much, I do firmly believe that "overmapping" is entirely an opinion, of course excluding extreme instances, which I do not believe this to be one of them. This map plays amazingly well to me. The jumps are so fluid, it's really enjoyable to play, just like Re:make was. After a few plays, the rhythm becomes quite readable, although for things like 01:16:665 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) I do believe a better rhythm could have been used, but it's not an issue warrants unrank due to overmapping imho.
One complaint:
01:01:501 (1) - This circle is almost completely hidden by the previous slider 01:01:006 (2) so a lot of the time it leaves the player confused as to where the next note in the 01:01:501 (1,2,3,4) combo is. Better to make it more visible imo.
I just think this mapping is quite unique and epic, and I wouldn't want Tutuhaha to stop mapping in this style because of this unrank. -.-
overmap is it up to XAT or Player?lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
Ok correction, "overmapping" always being a negative thing is entirely an opinion. I do not think that mappers should be forbidden from making the rhythm set more complicated, even if such a rhythm set isn't performed in the song note by note, as long as it makes sense rhythmically and people can follow it, which is the case here. Mapping like this can create a really unique experience imo if done correctly.lolcubes wrote:
Overmapping is not an opinion. Overmapping is mapping notes in spots where there is no music, i.e. beats, melody, vocals or any other instrument. That is not an opinion.UnitedWeSin wrote:
"overmapping" is entirely an opinion
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You don't even say where in the map this is!those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
I told you that T_TAndrea wrote:
I don't like Dance difficulty, it's really too overmapped and destroys the mapset.
I can't find it in this map. can you point it?those wrote:
Imagine this plays well:Kiiwa wrote:
If the map can still be played well, who cares?
You get the point.
You should try to play DJMAX TECHNIKA then you will change your mind.those wrote:
The point is, you can put that anywhere on the map, and you can back it up with "I think it fits", where in reality this rhythm pattern doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this song.
Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.Gundam wrote:
Imagine this plays well:I can't find it in this map. can you point it?
You get the point.
Why a beatmap has many diff?This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.
I think the key point is:RHYTHM
basic diff's rhythm is sparse but higher diff's rhythm intensive.For example,jubeat's Basic,Advanced and Extreme,DJMAX TECHNIKA's Normal,Hard and Maximum.In Extreme or Maximum,there are so much rhythm pattern(can't find in the song),but nobody think it's unplayable or overmap.I think this map is analogous,you know,Rating of the map is 9.6,it means that this map is playable.A map is playable or no is depends on most of player instead of some BAT/MAT.
so,rerank it plz.
edit:How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Why is such a player with little judgement skill to be elected as a Team member? Who did this?those wrote:
A response like this usually means one or both of two things: you think the MAT/BAT teams are unnecessary, and/or you forget MAT/BAT are players.
I am sorry, but this picture explains nearly nothing. As SG mentioned, the extreme example does not prove impropriety of overmap conditions in the diff.Zarerion wrote:
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.It is not decided by a certain BAT as human is not perfect. The rating before unrank is overwhelmingly positive, whitch means this overmap does not affect playing. On the contrary, simply following the existing drum and vocal is quite plain, less creative and will get less rating, as I suggested.
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?lol Do you think this question is based on nothing?
I already did bring up some parts in the map I dislike.Strawberry wrote:
@Zarerion: overmap is a style, where you found "too much" here? also, same as DJMAX, remember osu! is also the mug. you can't defeat all that Gundam said. btw, what's your certain standards?
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.But now we are talk about this map,and I can't find it anywhere on the map.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
This isn't DJMAX though, this is osu!, and we have certain standards. Overmapping is acceptable to a certain extent, but it was just too much here, it simply didn't fit anymore, and since the BAT were agreeing on that, they unranked it.DJMAX is a music game,so is osu!.Overmapping is too much here?why it can be ranked?
How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?Insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?hehe,I don't think so.Maybe you should read page3~page8 SERIOUSLY
Now many people agree this is playable so this is not the pointZarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues.
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.tutuhaha wrote:
Now many people agree this is playable so this is not the pointZarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues.
Exactly.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
Flower wrote:
It is not decided by a certain BAT as human is not perfect. The rating before unrank is overwhelmingly positive, whitch means this overmap does not affect playing. On the contrary, simply following the existing drum and vocal is quite plain, less creative and will get less rating, as I suggested. Since when did ratings ever fully determine that argument? Do you even realize how skewed the ratings are when you compare it to map quality? Positive ratings does not support the use of overmap at all. Just question your skill and your reasons for rating.How was that an inappropriate answer? don't you think you're going too far, insulting XAT's with no apparent reason?lol Do you think this question is based on nothing? Do you think accusations will do this any good? Please, be productive.
Zarerion wrote:
And the certain standards are defined by the BATs. Why? because they supposedly have the most mapping and modding experience, and if the majority of them agrees about a map being pretty much unplayable, they most likely have a point about that map having serious issues. It's not that they have the most, they generally have higher standards of quality and precision when it comes to modding. They know how to rectify problems they see in mapping, which is why they are given their titles so they can share that wealth of knowledge for the greater good.
Gundam wrote:
It's obvious what he means, really. He isn't talking about a specific part in the map.But now we are talk about this map,and I can't find it anywhere on the map. Did you not read the previous posts? People, learn to read before you enter an argument otherwise you just look silly and foolish.
he even explained what he meant in an earlier post. learn to read before joining an argument.
you need know when i make some crazy map like this I will find many player come to play it like nanaya, Uan, Sco, DzH, DeA, also SGStefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
But the BAT is wrong.So we should correct it.Zarerion wrote:
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.
*sigh* Why do you even bother? It's decided already, it's not like your complaining would change anything.
you are right so it shoule be reranked.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
What. Are you even reading the posts?Gundam wrote:
But the BAT is wrong.So we should correct it.Zarerion wrote:
In this thread, at least as many players disliked the overmapping.
*sigh* Why do you even bother? It's decided already, it's not like your complaining would change anything.
You are not. making. any. sense. Really.you are right so it shoule be reranked.Stefan wrote:
And then people wonder about bad Maps. Honestly, by getting some more accurate Mods and Testplays you could avoid this.. But why do I write it? Nobody cares about it. So ignore this thxbye
inb4 deletedSieg wrote:
So epic thread, I must leave my 500th post here. cheers~
That is slippery. I agree that rating is often subjective, but we are not talking about like this or this (Xakyrie wrote:
Since when did ratings ever fully determine that argument? Do you even realize how skewed the ratings are when you compare it to map quality? Positive ratings does not support the use of overmap at all. Just question your skill and your reasons for rating.
Do you think accusations will do this any good? Please, be productive.I agree with your idea. Then, the one who starts satirizing the mapper and accusing the mapper's difficulty of understanding due to the criticizer's lack of ability of presenting clear expression should take the resposibility.