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00:01:328 - 00:11:453 - this entire section seems way too spaced especially when compared to sections like 03:18:495 this which have stronger instruments + vocals (even if 03:18:495 if 1/1 slider with 1/2 gap and 00:01:328 - 00:11:453 is 1/1 slider with 1/1 gap, still pretty high spacing)

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made closer

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00:17:828 (1,2) - shouldn't these be spaced similarly to the rest of the 1/4 gaps in this section :s

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whoops i moved one of the sliders and forgot the other one ty

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00:29:847 - 00:32:442 - 00:34:712 - all the jumps listed here have high spacing for the level of intensity, it makes no sense to make 01:29:522 which is obviously more intense to have similar/lower spacing than the ones listed.

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was supposed to be slowly increasing spacing over the course of the jumps but ok i reduced spacing of the first part

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00:29:847 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - some more spacing buildup on these would be nice, when playing they didn't really feel as noticeable as they were in the song, so lower spacing here perhaps 00:29:847 (5,6,7,8) -

same for rest 00:32:442 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - 00:34:712 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) -

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adjusted all of these

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the spacing between these two 00:30:334 (8,1) is incredibly large for no reason

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fixed as said above

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00:33:901 (1,2) - hmm. questionable nc here. don't have to nc here cause the do-do really is nothing to be highlighted here

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don't see the problem with it

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just remembered didn’t NC in insane diff, will reopen this as a reminder

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00:38:928 (8) - this one feels rather jank because you'll have to suddenly move your cursor in some odd way after the stream. you could make it into something like this-> https://i.imgur.com/9qFuX9T.png where the cursor still moves but slows down.

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there is just no reason for me to change this, you don't even have to move the cursor to hit the slider in its entirety

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00:38:928 (8) - #2971819 same general idea applies to this, two 1/2 sliders would work way better considering the emphasis of the bass is noticeably less on the last two ticks

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done

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00:39:253 (9,1) - imo some spacing increase would be nice here, doesn't really feel emphasized enough for a downbeat into an intense section

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moved 9 up a bit and 1 down a little

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moved more

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00:43:469 (1,2) - parts like these could be simplified to a 1/1 slider. reasoning being that there's nothing impressive here to be made a 3/4. Or instead, make it similar to this 00:40:874 (1,2), but replace the 2nd slider with 2 circles instead. Even if you'd argue that you want to focus on the drums, still, you're missing the one in the red tick.

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already addressed this before, it's making the snares clickable, not necessarily the drums, so replacing the slider doesn't help my idea and simplifying it to a 1/1 slider hurts it, so no

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00:47:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6) though more intense these notes have spacing which is similar to the section before

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i wouldn't really consider it more intense but spacing increased slightly

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00:57:334 maybe add a hitcircle here for consistency?

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no sound on blue tick

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01:01:469 (6,1) - imo feels weird to change flow rotation direction so sharply here when song is quite smooth sounding. Compare to 01:04:063 (6,1) - where it's relatively smooth. Up to you to change, but imo it felt kinda janky to play

could ctrl + g 01:01:307 (5,6) - these notes (and fix hs accordingly)

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done, did as suggested

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01:04:226 (1,2,3) - spacing for these feel a bit small here coupled with the slider leniency. Its feels the same as 00:53:847 (1,2,3) - found in the repeat in a less intense section.

Would suggest spacing it similarly to 01:01:631 (1,2,3).

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done

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01:07:144 (2,3) - increase distance or NC because rhythmically there's a 1/1 gap and the player won't have an idea which is which if it's the same distance away

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moved down

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01:07:307 - same thing #2971775 from insane diff applies here, circle stack would keep the flow continuous here instead of abruptly stopping before the song pauses

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done

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01:18:333 (2,3,4,5) - 02:40:063 (2,3,4,5) - 04:04:387 (2,3,4,5) - increase spacing, it really feels underwhelming considering the guitar peaks there

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this spacing follows the idea that vocals reflect spacing
since there's no vocals on the circles like 01:18:333 (2,3,4) - , i decided to reduce spacing drastically to contrast the rest of the section
although looking over it again ya i kinda reduced a bit too much, so applied very slight spacing buff

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01:24:657 (2,3) - buff spacing here, spacing feels pretty awkward coming right after big spacing here 01:24:333 (1,2) - with no indication of calming down in the song, compare to spacing here 01:27:252 (2,3) -

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okay

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01:32:117 (1,2,3,4) - imo these 1/2 sliders here just being at the end of snare spam section feels a bit lackluster. I think you could make a connection with the vocals here and do 1/2 sliders on 01:30:819 (1,2,1,2) - these two 1/2 spots because vocals pause here, then do jumps for the rest

(01:33:414 (5,6) - keep these as 1/2 sliders btw cuz similar vocal pause)

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done

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01:33:414 (3) - missing NC here?
04:46:711 (8) - same for downbeat

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03:59:684 (8) - could also NC this for SV change

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done the first 2 but not sure about the last one yet, need 2nd opinion since i didn't nc the other sliders like preceding the chorus

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01:33:982 (7,8) - got a little too excited with the spacing, yes? All of these (probably the ones I could catch anyway) have spacing that is way too similar with the rest of the section which is too far. Just uh, make it less.

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04:09:009 (6,1) - got a little too excited with the spacing, yes?

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04:09:982 (5,6) - this too

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02:44:684 (6,1) - got a little too excited with your spacing, yes?

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why should i make it less for like any of these lol, it's not hard to hit and the flow is fine

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thought about this again, changed a few, sry about passive aggressive response

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np mate, we are all drunkards

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01:44:117 (2,3,4,5) - I don't recall you using this particular stack-jump pattern anywhere on the map. Replace it with something else so that it doesn't look so off.

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it's the same as 00:43:469 (1,2,3,4,5) - but just rotated 90 degrees

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01:47:684 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - flow here is continuously circular in one direcetion, so if you wanted it to be consistent should change flow here 01:48:333 (5) - on the emphasized guitar riff like how you did here 00:48:009 (5) -

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good catch

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01:47:684 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - spacing for these could be buffed a bit, similarly to how you did it in the former repeat at 00:47:361 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1). At give them a bit more spacing compared to your section at 01:39:900.

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done

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01:58:063 (1,2,3) - there's a drum on big white tick. Maybe do a 1/2-1/2-1/1 slider here.

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idk which white tick you're talking about, but either way i'm not really emphasizing drums here, delete notes and play it on 25% speed, there's sounds on the sliders i put (not sure what instruments.. but it's there)

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02:07:792 (3) - ok, this may be a minor nitpick but I believe this slider shape: https://i.imgur.com/9VzaFbK.png is slightly better for the player to follow. Also, similar to 01:07:144 (2,3) - increase distance or NC this slider so the player knows which is which rhythm.

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not changing slider shape, but moved 02:07:468 (2) - up and 02:07:792 (3) - down

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02:09:738 (1,2,3) - distance from 1-2-3 is a bit too high looking from the same section. Also, 02:09:900 (2) - I don't think you'll need to kickslider this because you aren't following piano

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i think it's fine

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will have to think about this again, reopening to remind myself

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02:20:117 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - theres a jump here for no reason, i'd suggest you use 2 1/2 sliders and then make a 4 note jump afterwards to mark drums like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828795162816938038/910787755800412190/unknown.png

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was trying to emphasize piano sounds, feels weird to have only the 1st 3rd and last 4 clickable instead of just all 8, ok with changing it though, just reopen this if it's that big of an issue

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good point

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02:20:765 (1,2,3,4) - would be good to use a different flow/pattern here since you hitsounded it differently than 02:20:117 (1,2,3,4) -

Imo ctrl + g 02:20:441 (3,4) - to make square pattern that flows into sharp flow would be really cool way to distinguish these rhythms in the song

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ooh i like that

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02:22:387 (4) - 02:24:982 (4) - vocals get pretty strong here so making this active would be nice, don't go too ham on the spacing tho

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bit awkward to fit in, but done

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02:25:954 (3) - drums kinda pop of so it would be nice to make this active with 2 circles instead rather than use the same rhythm as 02:25:306 (1,2) - that are following vocals.

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okay

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02:35:279 (2,3) - you should manually stack these since the 1/4 isnt really visible https://i.imgur.com/lgxtK8j.png

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done

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wait how did i not resolve this wat

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02:36:009 (2,3,4,5,1) - for how intense this all is, feels really cramped and doesn't reflect song very well IMO because of it.

Something like this would reflect the song better imo
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17817748/5cc3
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17817752/e8bd

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okay

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did as suggested

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02:36:982 (1) - very opinion based, but I think ctrl + j and keep in same place here would be POG flow

Then adjust 02:37:468 (2,3,4) - to be like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/17649125/e38f

right now, feels a bit lacking of emphasis to me, but that is just my opinion :P see how u feel about it

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that is indeed POG flow, will keep

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02:40:387 (4) - move down a bit for stronger emphasis on 02:40:549 (5) - for the snare

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done

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after 02:52:549 the jump spacing goes down which i feel is pretty awkward to hit for a part with no shift in intensity

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it's like the same spacing, but alright i moved some slightly

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02:59:684 (3,4) - visuals, please. This looks the exact same as 02:57:414 (4,5) - so distinguish both of them a bit.

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moved 03:00:009 (4) - outwards a bit

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03:13:225 missing vocal here, add hitcircle or change previous slider into 1/4

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good catch

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03:26:603 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - why are all these practically distance spaced LMAO. You're already stacking a lot of these notes and decreasing the intensity of these so try not to be scared of adding a bit spacing to these.

Same thing with 03:31:468 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - where spacing could be a teeny bit bigger to reflect the intensity here

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03:26:603 - increased spacing mostly on claps but overall too

03:31:468 - increased spacing slightly

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03:30:982 (1) - remove nc, not rly needed here and kinda confusing to read maybe

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ya didn't mean to put that oops

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03:38:279 (3,4) - I don't think you're following vocals in this map that much. just omit the circle and extend slider

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i think it's fine

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03:49:630 - don't really get the SV changes here in this section. You've done patterning in groupings of 4 with 03:49:630 (1,2,3,4) - 03:50:927 (1,2,3,4) - etc but you do SV changes after groupings of 2 and 4 respectively at 03:50:279 - 03:51:576 - which seems really incoherent with your idea.

So instead, I think it would be better alongside your increasing spacing idea to have SV changes every groupings of 4 at 03:50:927 - 03:52:225 - 03:53:522.

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Already mentioned in the veto post but overall spacing could be nerfed for this section since it's not really that intense. Would also give contrast to the next section at 03:54:819 - where the song does get intense.

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put sv changes on provided timestamps and nerfed overall spacing for this section, ty

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04:22:063 (1,1) - any reason why spacing here is so low compared to rest of this section?

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i don't think it makes a huge difference from a gameplay perspective if i changed the spacing for this slider, tho i could change the order of 04:23:360 (1,2) - to fix? let me know what u think

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i suppose it is fine overall, just wanted ur thoughts

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04:24:009 - missing finish on both diffs

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04:25:954 - same

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oops

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04:35:036 (1) - i'd make this a 1/1 slider to better mark the guitar

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01:43:792 (1) - 00:43:469 (1) ^ same here (not sure if i missed any)

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wanted to emphasize snares by making them clickable, will do a slider until blue tick then mute (i forgot what this length of slider is called LOL) so that it's longer but also snare is still clickable

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still got kudosu :tf:

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i like giving kudosu

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04:38:927 (1,2,3,4) - I don't recall you using these kinds of patterns too. Secondly, the music is quite intense, so putting a stack pattern here doesn't really give it justice. Make the second pair of sliders something like 04:42:819 (1,2) - ig

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04:38:927 (1,2,3,4) - it's to emphasize the loud uh.. violin? i'm not good with instruments; it repeats in a pattern of 4 like that, and the spacing is enough to represent intensity imo

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04:47:036 (1,2) - drum is rather weak here, slider. 04:48:009 (1,2) - no drum here, slider.

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first one is fine, changed second one tho

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04:48:009 (1,2) - I suspect this part is a 1/3 if you follow the guitar. Or maybe it's drift from post production.

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what

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try listening real slowly, i think guitar and drums are kinda late but it might be midnight mdoding

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don't think they are

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04:49:306 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - surely you can buff the spacing for the peak of the guitars here? At least do similar spacing to the previous jumps you did at 04:48:333 (1,2,1,2,3). The patterning is enough to differentiate these both and the extra spacing will be cool to emphasise the peak.

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yeah

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04:50:441 (8,9,1) - x 68 y 256. The flow from 6-7-this is rather funny because you do a 90 degree turn from what is a flowy one.

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this does not matter in the slightest imo

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04:50:603 (1) - imo sliderend and sliderhead should be made more clear like the insane since currently its basically unreadable in normal gameplay

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okay i moved the slider points around slightly so that the head/end is more separated

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