0_o wrote:

my vote is now pending future discussion ^_^

You mean to say we should discuss who you should vote for? ;P

0_o wrote:

also, could everyone post their time zones? I'm EST -0500

EST (GMT -05:00) here as well. DST applies but hopefully this won't cross into whatevermonthDSTchangesthetime.

GMT +1, and I'm still going to school every morning til saturday... so I won't be here so much!

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Olinad wrote:

I'm still going to school every morning til saturday... so I won't be here so much!

No worries. You'll be killed on Night one anyway.

=]

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strager wrote:

Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

parody wrote:

Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.

Also, no one should be getting pissed off right now. There hasn't been enough time for anyone to act super-suspicious, so votes at this point don't really mean much.

Oh, and I'm CDT (gmt-5). But I have a weird schedule.

Finding a replacement for Kuu.

LadySuburu wrote:

Finding a replacement for Kuu.

Aww. =[

strager wrote:

If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him? The Mafia would have their time at night, but the role claimer shouldn't get lynched by the town.

Why are you defending yourself?

strager wrote:

Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia. All he's done is put a vote on you with no explanation. You have no reason to clear his name unless you already know he's a townie.

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town.

Indeed they likely will, unless for some reason they think I am lying, and I'm just a villager.

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

strager wrote:

This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself? Once that is discovered (by maybe a real Mafia) those voting against kuu may retract their votes. Thus, fingers would be pointed away from kuu, which is the original plan, because kuu is a Mafia.

Circular reasoning, buddy. In other words, you've said absolutely nothing.

edit:
also unvote
mod: can we get a vote tally please?

Votecount 1:

SFG - 1 (BagelBob)
Echo - 1 (strager)
strager - 1 (adam)

Not voting: 6 - (SFG, Echo, 0_o, Derekku, Olinad, nardi)

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him? The Mafia would have their time at night, but the role claimer shouldn't get lynched by the town.

Why are you defending yourself?

For one, you missed the part I quoted:

Derekku Chan wrote:

1) You are lying about your aux role and are either:
a) Mafia: So it doesn't even matter that you're role claiming since you can't night kill yourself, but you may get lynched during the day.

I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself.

And it's not true that I'm using that to defend myself. So I'm not sure where you think I'm defending myself.

In other words I'm kinda confused by your claim there.

(Yes, I realize that Derek was just analyzing possible situations. I took each analysis and commented on them myself.)

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia. All he's done is put a vote on you with no explanation. You have no reason to clear his name unless you already know he's a townie.

I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target for vote.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town.

Indeed they likely will, unless for some reason they think I am lying, and I'm just a villager.

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself? Once that is discovered (by maybe a real Mafia) those voting against kuu may retract their votes. Thus, fingers would be pointed away from kuu, which is the original plan, because kuu is a Mafia.

Circular reasoning, buddy. In other words, you've said absolutely nothing.

Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.

That was just suspicion anyway. If you or anyone else chooses to disregard that I'm fine with that. By your comment of it being circular reasoning, even, I'm beginning to doubt that's the truth.

So, kuu, sorry to accuse. =X

Echo wrote:

mod: can we get a vote tally please?

Agreed.

EDIT: Note to everyone: SFG is replacing kuu for this game.

derekku chan wrote:

c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)

Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter.

strager wrote:

I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself. And it's not true that I'm using that to defend myself. So I'm not sure where you think I'm defending myself.

First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?

Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence.

strager wrote:

So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

strager wrote:

I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia.

Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. You were absolutely totally completely convinced in the first quote that adam is not mafia.

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.

There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.

strager wrote:

Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.

I think he was just raging, actually.

Derekku Chan wrote:

derekku chan wrote:

c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)

Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter.

Oh, I misread your statement. I thought by lynch you meant kill during the Night.

I guess the Mafia could convince everyone to vote for me to be lynched. That'd be pretty difficult though because not much information is out there, and the Mafia know more than we do (they know which team everyone is on, right?). So ... that could be a clue.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself. And it's not true that I'm using that to defend myself. So I'm not sure where you think I'm defending myself.

First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?

No, I was asking a question:

strager wrote:

If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him?

Echo wrote:

Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence.

Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.

strager wrote:

I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia.

Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. You were absolutely totally completely convinced in the first quote that adam is not mafia.

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

Villagers don't lie about aux roles.

Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?

There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.

There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.

I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.

I think he was just raging, actually.

Heh, I guess so. Kinda hard to discern for me; I don't know kuu.

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strager wrote:

No, I was asking a question:

strager wrote:

If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him?

That's a rhetorical question. You're telling us not to vote for you, ie. defending yourself.

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence.

Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.

Your posts are defensive. This argument is based on your posts, not just random guesses in the air.

strager wrote:

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.

strager wrote:

I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).

So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.

I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first.

@Echo, imo you can't really blame him for getting defensive when every post you make attacks each sentence of his one by one

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

sorry, but this whole thing is making me a tad suspicious...

0_o wrote:

@Echo, imo you can't really blame him for getting defensive when every post you make attacks each sentence of his one by one

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

sorry, but this whole thing is making me a tad suspicious...

I was going to write that myself.

You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that?

Okay, I will.

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sorry to get here late guys, i only had time to scan the thread, but from what ive seen strager is the most suspicious so im placing a temporary vote on him and ill get back to it once i have time to read the rest of the thread.

ok, as of now the only 2 people i haven't "diagnosed" in my mind as pro-town is adam2046 and nardi. And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up

Vote nardi

0_o wrote:

And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up

That's mostly because he hasn't had a chance to get on. When he did get on not much was going on. If I were you I'd wait like 14 hours until he has had a chance to post again.

(I'm not disagreeing with your reasoning; I'm just saying you may be a bit early. Then again you can always change your vote.)

strager wrote:

0_o wrote:

And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up

That's mostly because he hasn't had a chance to get on. When he did get on not much was going on. If I were you I'd wait like 14 hours until he has had a chance to post again.

(I'm not disagreeing with your reasoning; I'm just saying you may be a bit early. Then again you can always change your vote.)

We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocent

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?

D= I didn't mean to.

Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.

So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.

Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.

0_o wrote:

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??

The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?

Don't dodge the question.

Echo wrote:

Don't dodge the question.

I have stated:

strager wrote:

You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that?

Okay, I will.

If you were a townie you would have no problem defending yourself, since my accusations would all be incorrect. The mere fact that you gave up tells me you're very likely mafia.

vote strager

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@adam that quote was directed at strager

Yeah I know...just pointing out that I sleep alot.

One of those voting for me (adam, Echo, SFG - alphabetical order) is a Mafia. If another vote comes my way the other Mafia will hop in and lynch me.

Just a prediction.

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Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo is being über aggressive, but you've been that way in all the games so that doesn't really say anything. :>

So true.

Derekku Chan wrote:

bagelbob is just acting retarded.

Maybe because he's confident. Thus, is he Mafia?

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.

Derekku Chan wrote:

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

Isn't she used to Warewolf games? (I dunno; I haven't followed this style of games much.) Does an early vote mean anything different there, where majority vote doesn't mean automatic lynch?

Anyway I'm not too suspicious of her even if she has voted for me.

Also, your colours are ghey.

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...

Isn't she used to Warewolf games? (I dunno; I haven't followed this style of games much.) Does an early vote mean anything different there, where majority vote doesn't mean automatic lynch?
I don't think majority does anything. I'd have to reread through WWG rules, but I think it just goes until the day ends. An early vote in any game without discussion is usually stupid, but she DID vote after reading through, so I dunno.

strager wrote:

Also, your colours are ghey.

Thanks :T

derekku wrote:

0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.

The first two votes are called random votes. It's what you do at the start of the game. The vote for nardi was clearly indicated to be a temporary vote in order to get him to talk.

derekku wrote:

adam jumped in and voted for strager for voting for echo.

This is also called a random vote to get the game started.

derekku wrote:

strager is mildly suspicious to me, but I still have doubts. He is a newbie to this game and could just be making mistakes. Or he knows what he's doing. Or he's mafia... hmm... Also, he voted Echo off the bat with no reasoning or discussion. wtf

strager knows exactly what he's doing. His vote for me was also a case of random voting.

derekku has posted about absolutely nothing. All the so-called votes he's pointing out as "suspicious" are random votes made at the start of the game.

keep voting strager
FOS derekku

strager please elaborate on the bagelbob point. Can you point out anywhere in his posts that make you feel he's confident about the game, and the train of thought that leads you to think he's mafia?

This is a simple question, the answer to which you should already have in your mind, since you made a post about it. Don't back out of answering another one of my questions.

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Can you explain (in detail) how adam voting for you made you convince yourself that adam is townie?

Echo wrote:

Can you explain (in detail) how adam voting for you made you convince yourself that adam is townie?

Sure.

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.

This is obviously a random vote, but it has a reason for it. That reason is, of course, nonsense, and he's trying to defend his Mafia buddy.

But if that last bit were true, he wouldn't state that as a reason, would he? That'd be a pretty bad slip, and I know adam's not stupid.

But assuming he did make a mistake in saying that, you will notice how adam continues to focus on me but without much claim still:

adam2046 wrote:

I have only found strager suspicious and more suspicious.
I vote Stra-oh I already did that ^_^

Either he is an experienced player trying to trick me into thinking he doesn't know what he's doing, he's hiding something (e.g. he is a Mafia and if he can seem to focus his attention on me and away from him all the better), or he's just sticking to me because he wants to accuse me at random, as I am an easy target for anyone at this point.

If I were to be lynched because Echo is a Mafia (back to the first quote, where I suggest adam is defending his Mafia buddy) (also, I'm not accusing you here, just hypothetically) that'd be great because then the Doctor is killed and the Mafia get a free kill off anyone else. (Of course I would try using my ability to protect who I think is the most likely to be killed by the
Mafia.)

If I were to be lynched because adam believes I am a Mafia because I voted so early... I don't know what to say to that. I don't have the experience to say if early voting is a good idea, a bad idea, and if it's good or bad to vote for an early voter (etc. etc.).

If I were to be lynched because adam starts a trend (as he seems to be doing now) ... Well I'm sure you can guess the outcome (a lynched soul).

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So actually by writing all this I see my claim that adam is on my team is probably wrong, and Echo is right in questioning my reasoning.

For now I'll still say adam is on the town's side, though, out of gut feeling. By reasoning, though, adam seems to be a larger target as a Mafia.

(I'm too tired to proofread this so sorry for any mistakes.)