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strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. The way you say it makes it sound funny.parody wrote:
Adam is voting for me, thus he must be a townie.
Aww. =[LadySuburu wrote:
Finding a replacement for Kuu.
Why are you defending yourself?strager wrote:
If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him? The Mafia would have their time at night, but the role claimer shouldn't get lynched by the town.
adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia. All he's done is put a vote on you with no explanation. You have no reason to clear his name unless you already know he's a townie.strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.strager wrote:
Indeed they likely will, unless for some reason they think I am lying, and I'm just a villager.Derekku Chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town.
Circular reasoning, buddy. In other words, you've said absolutely nothing.strager wrote:
This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself? Once that is discovered (by maybe a real Mafia) those voting against kuu may retract their votes. Thus, fingers would be pointed away from kuu, which is the original plan, because kuu is a Mafia.
For one, you missed the part I quoted:Echo wrote:
Why are you defending yourself?strager wrote:
If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him? The Mafia would have their time at night, but the role claimer shouldn't get lynched by the town.
I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself.Derekku Chan wrote:
1) You are lying about your aux role and are either:
a) Mafia: So it doesn't even matter that you're role claiming since you can't night kill yourself, but you may get lynched during the day.
I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target for vote.Echo wrote:
adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia. All he's done is put a vote on you with no explanation. You have no reason to clear his name unless you already know he's a townie.strager wrote:
Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?Echo wrote:
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.strager wrote:
Indeed they likely will, unless for some reason they think I am lying, and I'm just a villager.Derekku Chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town.
Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.Echo wrote:
Circular reasoning, buddy. In other words, you've said absolutely nothing.strager wrote:
This could be a crazy tactic used by kuu. He's acting so strange that he must be a Mafia. But then again, why would a Mafia attract so much attention to himself? Once that is discovered (by maybe a real Mafia) those voting against kuu may retract their votes. Thus, fingers would be pointed away from kuu, which is the original plan, because kuu is a Mafia.
Agreed.Echo wrote:
mod: can we get a vote tally please?
Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter.derekku chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)
First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?strager wrote:
I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself. And it's not true that I'm using that to defend myself. So I'm not sure where you think I'm defending myself.
strager wrote:
So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.
Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. You were absolutely totally completely convinced in the first quote that adam is not mafia.strager wrote:
I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia.
There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.strager wrote:
Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?Echo wrote:
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.
I think he was just raging, actually.strager wrote:
Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.
Oh, I misread your statement. I thought by lynch you meant kill during the Night.Derekku Chan wrote:
Or night kill. I think I meant both. Doesn't matter.derekku chan wrote:
c) Mafia will lynch you so you can't help the town. (Unless you are mafia)
No, I was asking a question:Echo wrote:
First, you claim an important role. Then you make a post saying that people shouldn't be voting for someone who claims a role. How is that not defending yourself!?strager wrote:
I was merely saying that if I were Mafia I would role claim to defend myself (because you wouldn't want to lynch a Doctor unless you were a Mafia, of course). But I am not role claiming to defend myself. And it's not true that I'm using that to defend myself. So I'm not sure where you think I'm defending myself.
strager wrote:
If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him?
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.Echo wrote:
Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence.
I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.Echo wrote:
strager wrote:
So I think it's safe to say he does believe I am the Mafia and he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me.Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. You were absolutely totally completely convinced in the first quote that adam is not mafia.strager wrote:
I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia.
I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).Echo wrote:
There's no reason for townies to claim aux roles. "Drawing attention" away from the real aux roles almost never works. The only people with reason to claim an aux role are either wolves or the real aux role.strager wrote:
Eh? Is that a rule, or are you stating a general trend?Echo wrote:
Villagers don't lie about aux roles.
There is an exception, of course, when it's all planned out, but you can't talk behind the scenes in this game so you can't use someone else as a substitute and act through them to protect yourself.
Heh, I guess so. Kinda hard to discern for me; I don't know kuu.Echo wrote:
I think he was just raging, actually.strager wrote:
Indeed it is circular reasoning. However, because of this circular reasoning I believe kuu was trying to confuse (see his odd posts) and thus is a Mafia.
That's a rhetorical question. You're telling us not to vote for you, ie. defending yourself.strager wrote:
No, I was asking a question:strager wrote:
If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him?
Your posts are defensive. This argument is based on your posts, not just random guesses in the air.strager wrote:
Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense.Echo wrote:
Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence.
So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.strager wrote:
I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
So now you're admitting cop? General rule: first to mention cop in any way is cop themselves.strager wrote:
I see, that's something you've learned from experience? I'll keep that in mind for the next games I play, and even this game when the Cop shows up (if there even is a Cop; see my post a few pages back).
I was going to write that myself.0_o wrote:
@Echo, imo you can't really blame him for getting defensive when every post you make attacks each sentence of his one by one
And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??
sorry, but this whole thing is making me a tad suspicious...
That's mostly because he hasn't had a chance to get on. When he did get on not much was going on. If I were you I'd wait like 14 hours until he has had a chance to post again.0_o wrote:
And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up
We'll see. I don't really find nardi particularly suspicious, it's just that everyone else just seems innocentstrager wrote:
That's mostly because he hasn't had a chance to get on. When he did get on not much was going on. If I were you I'd wait like 14 hours until he has had a chance to post again.0_o wrote:
And since nardi has barely posted anything, I'll throw a vote his way and see if that makes him speak up
(I'm not disagreeing with your reasoning; I'm just saying you may be a bit early. Then again you can always change your vote.)
Don't dodge the question.Echo wrote:
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.strager wrote:
D= I didn't mean to.Echo wrote:
dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.Echo wrote:
So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.strager wrote:
I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?0_o wrote:
And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??
I have stated:Echo wrote:
Don't dodge the question.
strager wrote:
You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that?
Okay, I will.
So true.Derekku Chan wrote:
Echo is being über aggressive, but you've been that way in all the games so that doesn't really say anything. :>
Maybe because he's confident. Thus, is he Mafia?Derekku Chan wrote:
bagelbob is just acting retarded.
I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.Derekku Chan wrote:
0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.
Isn't she used to Warewolf games? (I dunno; I haven't followed this style of games much.) Does an early vote mean anything different there, where majority vote doesn't mean automatic lynch?Derekku Chan wrote:
SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...
strager wrote:
Isn't she used to Warewolf games? (I dunno; I haven't followed this style of games much.) Does an early vote mean anything different there, where majority vote doesn't mean automatic lynch?Derekku Chan wrote:
SFG just joined in, so I'm not sure what to make of her, yet. But she was awful quick to vote...
I don't think majority does anything. I'd have to reread through WWG rules, but I think it just goes until the day ends. An early vote in any game without discussion is usually stupid, but she DID vote after reading through, so I dunno.
Thanks :Tstrager wrote:
Also, your colours are ghey.
The first two votes are called random votes. It's what you do at the start of the game. The vote for nardi was clearly indicated to be a temporary vote in order to get him to talk.derekku wrote:
0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.
This is also called a random vote to get the game started.derekku wrote:
adam jumped in and voted for strager for voting for echo.
strager knows exactly what he's doing. His vote for me was also a case of random voting.derekku wrote:
strager is mildly suspicious to me, but I still have doubts. He is a newbie to this game and could just be making mistakes. Or he knows what he's doing. Or he's mafia... hmm... Also, he voted Echo off the bat with no reasoning or discussion. wtf
Sure.Echo wrote:
Can you explain (in detail) how adam voting for you made you convince yourself that adam is townie?
This is obviously a random vote, but it has a reason for it. That reason is, of course, nonsense, and he's trying to defend his Mafia buddy.adam2046 wrote:
Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.
Either he is an experienced player trying to trick me into thinking he doesn't know what he's doing, he's hiding something (e.g. he is a Mafia and if he can seem to focus his attention on me and away from him all the better), or he's just sticking to me because he wants to accuse me at random, as I am an easy target for anyone at this point.adam2046 wrote:
I have only found strager suspicious and more suspicious.
I vote Stra-oh I already did that ^_^
I've played...adam2046 wrote:
I have only played 2 of these games in my entire life.
Okay. I understand the reasoning behind your second post.adam2046 wrote:
I'm not voting you because you voted early, I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...That's why I was going to vote twice, I didn't actually realise I had voted on you.
This.Echo wrote:
The first two votes are called random votes. It's what you do at the start of the game. The vote for nardi was clearly indicated to be a temporary vote in order to get him to talk.derekku wrote:
0_o voted adam off the bat for no fucking reason, then changed to kuu with no reason, and then to nardi for no reason. This is *very* suspicious to me.
Hold on a sec. You are claiming to be the doctor, yet you don't know why I'm not voting for you? I already said I believe you...strager wrote:
I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.
If you followed any of the previous mafia/warewolf games, Echo got killed first or second day almost every game, so that's what he's referring toadam2046 wrote:
Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.
adam2046 wrote:
I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...
D'oh, didn't consider this. I was just commenting on what Derekku wrote and really thinking. Sorry to put any wrong on you. =X0_o wrote:
Hold on a sec. You are claiming to be the doctor, yet you don't know why I'm not voting for you? I already said I believe you...strager wrote:
I don't know why he didn't vote for me with all of Echo's accusations. He hasn't voted for Echo either. I don't know what to think yet.
Oh.adam2046 wrote:
Oh, and with regards to adam's vote before:If you followed any of the previous mafia/warewolf games, Echo got killed first or second day almost every game, so that's what he's referring toadam2046 wrote:
Vote: Strager
You're obviously mafia because you're trying to kill Echo day 1.
Okay I'm starting to miss words so I think I'll go to sleep now.adam2046 wrote:
Yes I say in that post.adam2046 wrote:
I'm voting you because after my random vote you actually became suspicious...